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AXE.Yet again you prove Yuri Bezmanov right with your absurd reference to BLM (itself a terrorist organisation for the Marxist Left and racist blacks), thinking that somehow that might discredit the NRA. The NRA are virtuous in comparison to the terrorist BLM, as Nicole proved.

Maybe you're even ok with other terrorist groups for the Marxist Left like ANTIFA and the far Left hate group SPLC.

I suggest you read the book "The Black Book of American Left" by former Marxist, the academic David Horowitz.
He can tell you of his history as a far Left activist and how his experience behind the scenes witnessing the Left's culture of lies, hate and terrorism, etc finally drove him to reject it.
---Haz27 on 3/12/18


Haz27:

Bezmanov doesn't trigger me. You PARROTING tired rhetoric over and over does.

I ask again, how is quoting the EXACT WORDS of the 2nd amendment a "Marxist distortion"? I cited how a federal appeals court ruled the 2nd amendment DOES NOT guarantee the right to assault weapons.


Nicole_Lacey:

Teachers job description does NOT include putting thier lives at risk, and they do NOT get paid extra to do so. Why should they? Leave the risk to people trained and paid for it.

Kansas?! EMC told school boards in 2013 to forget coverage if they let teachers bring guns to school.

Last week in PA a teacher accidentally left her gun in the rest room. Kids found it. Fortunately, no injuries. That time.
---StrongAxe on 3/13/18


NICOLE. this blog is ending and we saw Leftists attacking 2nd Amendment just as you raised in topic.

In spite of numerous studies (as I listed in posts below) which disprove Lefts lies against guns, we see Leftists obediently pushing the deceitful propaganda of their Leftist masters.

And note how Leftists here had no interest in the foremost issue of the failure of incompetent US authorities to protect society from KNOWN dangers.

For Leftists the only thing that matters is how to further Left's aims and political gain.

The 1958 book "The Naked Communist" revealed one of the goals of Marxists is to discredit the Constitution. The Left here have proven how this Marxist goal is their priority.
---Haz27 on 3/13/18


First the Second Amendment is not in Jeopardy. Just as our freedoms under the bill of Rights are not in jeopardy because we have to have drivers licenses to drive.

Guns can be regulated. Without repealing the Second Amendment of the bill of Rights.

Do want to have Terrorists such as NAZI's being able to get weapons of war?

Wait a moment right now they and the KKK can buy them legally. They want to murder non whites and whites who disagree with them. But they can still buy guns. So where are these and others have their rights violated? It is not happening.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/13/18


AXE. I see you're desperate to take debate down the Marxist rabbit warren of discrediting Constitution. No doubt you think its best way to avoid the politically inconvenient, but main issue of the incompetency of authorities to protect society from KNOWN dangers.

I've read some of Constitution, and read 2nd Amendment.
And for the 4th time I say the Supreme court disagrees with your Marxist distortion of 2nd Amendment.
I've also heard lawyers like Ben Shapiro disagree with you.

Having seen how you even take scripture so readily out of context, and also how Marxist Left shapes your perspective, you really lack credibility.

I know the name Yuri Bezmanov triggers you, but the fact remains he was right. You're proof.
---Haz27 on 3/12/18




StrongAxe: MOST teachers aren't, and NONE are PAID like police to put their lives on the line.//

AGAIN, the DESIRE to live is ENOUGH.

What do you mean put their lives on the line?

Are you suggesting when the Lunatics enters their room they should tell him NOT to SHOOT because they are NOT PAID Police officers?

And Lunatic is going to say "Sorry, my bad." and FIND a POLICE OFFICER TO SHOOT AT?

//Most schools are no-gun zones.//

Texas, 172 DISTRICTS allows teachers, staff to carry GUNS in Schools - Caller Times.

Idaho, Utah, Oregon, Wisconsin, Arkansas, Mississippi, Kansas and Colorado-Romper

//We are seeing stories of school gun accidents due to armed teachers,//

NAME ONE?
---Nicole_Lacey on 3/12/18


Nicole_Lacey:

That was a hundred years ago. Things have changed a lot since then. What matters is what is happening TODAY, and TODAY, BLM calls the NRA a terrorist organization.
---StrongAxe on 3/12/18


StrongAxe, did you know that ONLY the NRA supported Black people in the early 1900's against the KKK?

How? They supported Black People to become gun Owners. Because the Police were only for White People.

Rice said the same on the View.

My Aunt told me a similar story. My Great Grandfather would shoot his gun and rifle OUTSIDE in the air as they were hiding underneath the kitchen table.

White Men would shoot their guns at the end of the hill.

The ONLY thing that STOPPED them from coming up the hill was hearing my Great Grandfather's bullets firing in the air as well!

Where was the Law when my family needed them?

But guess who helped my family.

THE NRA!
---Nicole_Lacey on 3/12/18


Haz27:

FOURTH time: Have you read the constitution?
SECOND time: How does QUOTING the constitution DISCREDIT it?


Nicole_Lacey:

MOST teachers aren't, and NONE are PAID like police to put their lives on the line.

Insurers REFUSE to insure schools who DO NOT arm Teachers.

Name one. Most schools are no-gun zones.

Google: insure armed teachers
From L.A. Times article: EMC Insurance, who insures 85% of Kansas schools:
"We have chosen not to insure schools that allow employees to carry concealed handguns."
"simply to protect the financial security of the company."

We are seeing stories of school gun accidents due to armed teachers. Who would want to insure that?
---StrongAxe on 3/12/18


NICOLE. CDC's Research showed defensive use of guns is common, saving lives, preventing rapes, etc.
Thus we see that already ordinary citizens are using guns to protect themselves & loved ones. Surely trained teachers are just as capable.

And considering how the incompetent and cowardly police, and FBI, etc failed in their duty to protect those school children from a KNOWN threat, then thats all the more reason teachers should have guns.

Sheriff David Clarke also advocates for citizens to defend themselves with guns until police arrive.

Leftists following the Marxist goal to discredit the Constitution will of course argue otherwise, in spite of the many studies contradicting their lies.

---Haz27 on 3/12/18




StrongAxe: If Police who are TRAINED to use weapons and PAID to risk their lives can't do it, how can teachers who AREN'T trained and paid do it?//

Many Teachers are trained to use guns. Many Citizens are trained to use guns.

Why do you think ONLY Police Officers are trained? Just because you afraid to use a gun doesn't mean everyone is afraid.

//Do you KNOW any teachers who would?//

YES, I live in ALABAMA

//EVERY teacher I have talked to thinks it's LUNACY.//

Not surprised. I guess the only Teachers you speak to are Leftist Teachers.

//So do insurers who refuse to insure schools with armed teachers.//

I believe it's the opposite. Insurers REFUSE to insure schools who DO NOT arm Teachers.
---Nicole_Lacey on 3/12/18


NICOLE. We see from Leftists the reason why 2nd Amendment is attacked is its long been Marxist goal to discredit Constitution, as seen in 1958 FBI book "The Naked Communist".

Some other Marxist goals FBI found are:
Infiltrate, control news media, Hollywood, education.
Capture one or both political parties.
Present LGBT, deviancy, etc as normal, healthy.
Use courts to weaken institutions.
Infiltrate, gain control of big business.
Discredit family as institution. Encourage promiscuity, easy divorce.

Dr Ben Carson said it's amazing how fast Marxists have achieved these goals.

AXE. Yet again you deflect from solutions so you can push Marxist goal to discredit Constitution.




---Haz27 on 3/12/18


Haz27:

Yes, guns are a bigger problem in urban environments, and yes, cities are more liberal than rural areas, but that doesn't imply correlation. More people die in hospitals. Liberalism don't cause gun violence any more than hospitals reduce life expectancy. Global temperature has increased over the past few centuries, while piracy has decreased, yet deducing from this that piracy stops global warming is absurd.

Yet again, you avoid my direct question: have you actually read the U.S. constitution? Until you answer in the affirmative, I'll just have to assume that you haven't - which means you are not in any position to talk about what it says, let alone what it means.
---StrongAxe on 3/11/18


AXE. I'm not surprised you again deflect from the real issue of the incompetence of US authorities in protecting society from KNOWN dangers.

This reminds of the Boston bombers and how authorities had been warned beforehand by Russia about these Muslim terrorists, but it was ignored.

Protecting society from KNOWN dangers is the priority AXE.

I heard a well known black Sheriff in USA (can't remember his name) advocating for citizens to be armed as a first line of defense from attackers until police arrive.

As for 2nd Amendment, like I said to you before, the Supreme court disagrees with you, and don't forget it's you who are following the Marxist Left's goal to discredit the Constitution.





---Haz27 on 3/11/18


Remember the TRUE Story of the OK Corral? Even back then there were issues with GUNS, and a law was passed forbidding guns within the city limits, and while in town gun carriers had to check them in, and then could check them out after their town business was complete. Yes, back when everyone had a gun in the wild Wild West, there were Issues. The LAW won, and those who rebelled ended in a gunfight...and several were killed, and then they retaliated against the Lawmaker. And it had NOTHING to do with DENS or GOP, or lefty's garbage Haz27 keeps spewing out. It had to do with trying to bring a CIVILIZED way of life to the lawless West. Why, because even then innocent people were getting killed by these careless, uncivilized men.
---kathr4453 on 3/11/18


NICOLE. USA, in spite of it's many guns, is only in 111th place for homicide worldwide.
But most homicidal cities in USA are those with strict guns laws, run by DEM's.
If these DEMs homicidal cities were removed from that world comparison, then USA would rate much lower on the world homicide list.

The Left are renowned for creating dysfunctional societies with easy drugs, unvetted immigrants bringing crime, violence, murders, rape, drugs, etc, and in San Fran there's now even human excrement maps available, it's that bad.

Same in Australia. City of Melbourne is dominated by the Left, thus it has most Leftist activists, Muslim terrorism, racist African refugee thugs bashing, robbing people even while they're asleep in bed.
---Haz27 on 3/11/18


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Haz27:

I ask again. Have you ACTUALLY read the U.S. constitution?


Nicole_Lacey:

If Police who are TRAINED to use weapons and PAID to risk their lives can't do it, how can teachers who AREN'T trained and paid do it? Do you KNOW any teachers who would? EVERY teacher I have talked to thinks it's LUNACY. So do insurers who refuse to insure schools with armed teachers.

Mass killings are done with guns, not alcohol.

What deaths has marijuana caused? It is proven safe and effective for cancer and others, yet it's treated as much worse than known addictive drugs that HAVE caused deaths, like opioids. States with legal marijuana have LOWER incidents of opiod and other drug drug abuse.
---StrongAxe on 3/11/18


Haz: Instead of deflecting like Leftists do, admit the fact that incompetent US authorities failed in their duty to protect society from a KNOWN danger from Cruz//

GREAT POINT!

If they can't protect us from a KNOWN danger person as Cruz (who even HE CALLED 911 ON HIMSELF AND STILL COULDN'T GET ARRESTED), why are they so surprised we refused to disarmed by a single bullet?

If the police refuse to go in then ARM the Teachers.

If the FBI are afraid of the PC police OUR guns doesn't care who is behind mask as they break into our homes.

As the Sheriff is getting his 15 minute fame on TV, our guns will protect our children and property.

Government CAN NOT SAVE YOU!
---Nicole_Lacey on 3/11/18


AXE. Just like Marxists, you discredit Constitution attacking 2nd Amendment, ignoring it's context and that Supreme court disagrees with you.

FYI, a study by Uni of Liege, Belgium, on link between possession of guns and rate of homicides by gun, examined data from 52 nations with moderate political regimes. They found socio-economic issues play much larger role in gun homicide rates than access or gun laws.

Their findings showed New Zealand (with relaxed gun laws) was found to rank 19th in terms of highest gun ownership and ninth lowest in terms of gun homicide rates.

Instead of deflecting like Leftists do, admit the fact that incompetent US authorities failed in their duty to protect society from a KNOWN danger from Cruz.
---Haz27 on 3/11/18


Haz, alcohol has killed and destroyed more people a year than guns, but you will NEVER hear the Left complain about alcohol.

Marijuana has caused many death, employment denial, loss of employment, mental deterioration, imprisonment particularly for Minorities who they claim they care for the most.

These Imprisonment causes more children to go fatherless who they claim they don't want for DACA but it's OKAY for Citizens' children.

The States that have legalized Marijuana are being sued by the surrounding States because negative consequences of Marijuana consumption.

But the Left are only FOCUSED on one gun NOW that killed 17 but keep ignoring thousands shot yearly in one city.

I WONDER WHY?
---Nicole_Lacey on 3/11/18


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Haz27:

Enough with Yuri Bezmanov already!

How am I attacking the 2nd amendment by quoting WHAT IT ACTUALLY SAYS? You should rather question those who attribute things to it that it NEVER says. Have you ACTUALLY read the U.S. Constitution? If so, you should know better. If not, you should read it before pontificating on it.

I have NOT said the constitution is inadequate. I think it should be taken for what it ACTUALLY says. On the other hand, Trump has often complained that the constitution is outdated and stops him from doing what he wants. HE is the one who thinks it's old fashioned and out of step.

(Typo in last post - gun laws stopped mass shootings in every developed nation EXCEPT (not including) the U.S.)
---StrongAxe on 3/10/18


AXE. Your trademark Leftist routine of deflection, obfuscation, false claims is an annoyance, dishonest, inflammatory, where I offer facts, direct critiques that youre triggered by. I see through your tactics AXE.

You avoid the fact a Marxist goal has long been to discredit the Constitution, which you also do now.

You avoid the fact head of Australias NSW Bureau of Crime Statistics & Research, as well as researchers for British journal of Criminology, also a study at Flinders university, etc, all agree our 1996 gun laws did nothing.

You avoid the fact our neighbor, New Zealand, has same rates of gun violence as Australia in spite of not adopting Australias strict gun laws.

Clearly your aim is pushing Lefts agenda
---Haz27 on 3/10/18


Haz27:

Again, WHY did AU have no mass shootings since 1999 gun laws?

Perhaps your posts get censored because you use inflammatory language in almost ever post?

My argument was grammatical, not leftist. Its EXACT WORDS said NOTHING about self-defense, hunting, or opposing corrupt government. If YOU think that taking a law at face value is wrong, YOU are just as revisionist as the leftists you constantly demean.

Left solution to gun violence is to restrict guns. This works in EVERY OTHER developed country, including the U.S. yet the right constantly deflects. What is the right's "helpful" solution to gun violence? Arming teachers won't work, as arming SOLDIERS didn't even work at Fort Hood.
---StrongAxe on 3/9/18


AXE. It's remarkable how you support the Left's agenda on so many issues. Russian KGB Communist defector, Yuri Bezmanov, was so right about the success of the Communists brainwashing.

And now you attack 2nd Amendment in your deflection from the real problem of the systemic failure of authorities to protect society from KNOWN dangers.

BTW, one of the Left's goals listed in 1958 FBI book "The Naked Communist", is consistent with the arguments of Lefties like you.
This goal is:
Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old fashioned, out of step with modern needs

And here we see you doing just that, pushing the Marxist Left's agenda to discredit the Constitution's 2nd Amendment.
---Haz27 on 3/10/18


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Really got to wonder why CN failed to post my last 2 posts to Axe.

AXE. Read my post to Samuel again to see why you're incorrect about 1996 congressional ban. We see similar in Australia with corrupt Lefties abusing their positions to use organizations to force Left's agenda onto society.

The Supreme court also disagrees with your Leftist argument about 2nd Amendment.

Note how Lefties always deflect from solutions to problems if those solutions are unhelpful for the Left's agendas and political advantage. This gun debate is just such a case.

The obvious issue that the Left deflect from is the systemic failure of clearly incompetent authorities to protect society from KNOWN dangers, such as Cruz the school shooter.
---Haz27 on 3/9/18


Mark_Eaton, great answer. Ya know, in America, if you have FEELINGS OF THIS OR THAT...we have a pill that is suppose to FIX the problem falsely giving people such feelings are abnormal. So I see not only young people but even many adults believing they need to pop pills...when all along, those feelings are just part of growing and evolving as a person, we often ALL go through. Yep, and it would appear only in America we see such drug pushing TV ads. My understanding is, these kind of Ads Are illegal in many countries. But HAY just another freedom of advertising we don't want to deprive Americans from.....they will think their Bibles are next. ( tongue in cheek) YET at least cigarette ads are gone...
---kathr4453 on 3/9/18


Haz27:

The 1996, Congress cut the CDC's budget by the same EXACT amount it was using to study firearms, which is tantamount to saying "don't study guns".

The 2nd Amendment: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

As we now have a standing army, we don't rely on state militias any more. Private citizens aren't drafted for that purpose, and when they were, the government provided them with arms. 2nd Amendment advocates NEVER bring that up. They always being up hunting, self-defense, and protection from a corrupt government - NONE of which are even mentioned in the 2nd amendment.
---StrongAxe on 3/9/18


Why are so many young people in America in so much despair? America, the Christian nation?
---kathr4453 on 3/8/18

Simple really. Too much wealth.

Look at the family tree of any excessively wealthy family and if the children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren are not working or not actively involved in something worthwhile, then these children become lethargic, apathetic, underachieving, and despondent.

These are the same symptoms in the young people of the USA.

We have taken the spunk out of our children and spoiled them right into this problem.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/9/18


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SAMUEL. That 1996 congressional ban was understandable considering the anti gun bias of the likes of CDC's Mark Rosenberg, who oversaw gun research.

But when BO was president, one of his many executive orders was to lift that ban. BO funded a gun study through CDC. CDC concluded that armed citizens are less likely to be injured by an attacker, AND that defensive uses by gun are common, etc.

Of course the Left's Fake News media were disappointed with CDC's findings in 2013, and thus said little to nothing about it.

The 2nd Amendment is clearly one of the aims of the Left, just as abortion on demand, LGBTQI and Islamic agendas, etc, were. Remember the story of the frog being brought to a slow boil in pot.
---Haz27 on 3/9/18


Mark_Eaton:

Given how many "Christians" extol the value of guns (ignoring "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword"), much "Christian" counselling could also be dubious.


Haz27:

Why don't you ignore what the pundits say (BOTH left and right), and listen to what the ACTUAL WITNESSES AND VICTIMS say?

Tell me, how many mass shootings has Australia had since the 1999 gun laws?

In the U.S., for every life saved by the defensive use of guns, there are 34 innocent casualties.

When will YOU acknowledge the Right deflect, lie, and obfuscate on issues such as this school shooting merely for THEIR political gain.
---StrongAxe on 3/8/18


The deceitful Left deflect from real solutions, focusing instead on gun control.

That firearm didnt walk itself into school. An individual with mental health issues, and known by authorities like Broward Sheriff's office, FBI, mental health staff, etc, for being a threat to public safety, was allowed to remain unchecked.

The authorities that are meant to act on the many warnings they received about this dangerous young man, failed badly, through their dereliction of duty, to protect that school. That is even more reason to have guns when such incompetent authorities are given the job to protect society.

Remember that about 80 times more people are saved by defensive use of guns, than are murdered by guns.

---Haz27 on 3/8/18


The problem with your figures Haz is they are hearsay. The congress under republicans made it against the law to collect those statistics. In 1996 under the urging of the NRA a amendment was passed outlawing collection of Gun Violence data. So you information on Gun Violence Haz is false. Do a search on the Dickey Amendment.

Also no one is trying to repeal the Second Amendment. They just need to try to keep weapons of war out of the hands of Crazy people.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/8/18


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//We need more of the BOC who have godly character and spiritual wisdom to get involved in the lives of others. Our "throw money at it" Christianity is failing.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/8/18//
You are right on.
As a shooter for years, military and civilian, I have used real assault weapons, unlike an AR. Gun control is not the answer. I believe if we allowed God back in our establiisments, we would see less violence
---michael_e on 3/8/18


Mark_Eaton, why does it seem this problem is predominantly in America? Why are so many young people in America in so much despair? America, the Christian nation?
---kathr4453 on 3/8/18


AXE. You should avoid Left's Fake News media, etc.

Australia's gun laws made no difference, as stated by Don Weatherburn, head of New South Wales Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research. Also confirmed by other researchers too.

Don't forget the facts about the states with strict gun laws having the higher murder rates compared to states without strict gun laws.

Also don't forget the huge numbers of lives saved by defensive use of guns.

When will you acknowledge the fact the Left are renowned for creating dysfunctional societies with high rates of homicide, violence?

And when will you acknowledge the Left deflect, lie and obfuscate on issues such as this school shooting merely for their political gain.
---Haz27 on 3/8/18


if shooters had adequate access to counselling . Unfortunately, funding for such counselling isn't available..
---StrongAxe on 3/8/18

Really? As a Christian brother you think the solution is talk therapy? The problem is spiritual.

These kids need the love of God showed to them. Hope is the antidote for despair. Hope only comes from knowing you will always be okay, knowing that someone will be there for you even in the worst of times, and knowing that regardless of circumstances you are loved. This only comes from knowing God.

We need more of the BOC who have godly character and spiritual wisdom to get involved in the lives of others. Our "throw money at it" Christianity is failing.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/8/18


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strongaxe said, "In Australia, since TOUGHER GUN LAWS were passed in 1999, there has not been a SINGLE mass shooting, despite increasing gun ownership."

Strongaxe, before posting prior I actually read upon this report and this is actually false...

Your so right Haz27 in your response to me.

Today our guns tomorrow our bibles and then assignment to Concentration Camps for being Christians, conservatives and republicans...
---john9346 on 3/8/18


Mark_Eaton:

I have heard several teachers talking about this. The root cause of these shootings is despair, and many of might have been preventable, if shooters had adequate access to counselling . Unfortunately, funding for such counselling isn't available. Because this country drastically underfunds education (even more so under this administration), this problem will only get worse.


Haz27:

Instead of listening to the rhetoric, why not listen to the students who were ACTUALLY THERE?

In Australia, since TOUGHER GUN LAWS were passed in 1999, there has not been a SINGLE mass shooting, despite increasing gun ownership. It's obviously working, yet conservatives here adamantly oppose such laws. I wonder why?
---StrongAxe on 3/8/18


AXE. The fable of frogs slow boil in pot describes Left's tactics.

Initially abortion legal in special circumstances, to gradually becoming abortion on demand.

Initially decriminalizing LGBT, to gradually becoming marriage equality with penalties for Christians, etc who refuse to submit. It's even led to LGBTQI agenda forced into schools with no rights for parents.

Initially it was Muslim immigration brings diversity, to now Muslim voting blocks for the Left, as well as terrorism, Sharia no go zones, blasphemy laws, 15 years jail for throwing bacon into Mosque, rapes.

Same with Left's ignorant attack of guns.

They deceitfully, abusively demand "small" concessions, but we know where it really leads.
---Haz27 on 3/8/18


StrongAxe: there was the constant lying prpaganda "Obama and Hillary want to take your guns".//

How quickly you forget. Remember when he had the GAO buy a lot of AMMO?

He was hoping he could deny us ammo even if we had guns.

Left are always trying to prevent us from the 2n Amendment one way or another.

Actions speaks louder than words.

That wasn't propaganda that was actions.

//However JUST THIS WEEK, Trump said "take people's guns first, and worry about due process later". CONSERVATIVES should worry.
---StrongAxe on 3/7/18

We did WORRY and COMPLAINED!

At least Trump LISTENED us and changed his words.
---Nicole_Lacey on 3/8/18


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Actually I would like to see in other countries....HOW MANY MASS MURDERS DO YOU ALL HAVE PER YEAR USING AR15's?

I'm not interested in how many lives were saved by AR15's.

And now we are using gang rapes as an excuse that women now need to be armed with AR15's? And these come in some cute attachment to your key chain like pepper spray?

I,see Alabama had a school,shooting yesterday....2 killed...some injured...and WOOPS...it was called " an accident". So exactly how did underage kids ACCIDENTLY bring guns to school? OH PLEASE!



Really....
---kathr4453 on 3/8/18


prpaganda "Obama and Hillary want to take your guns". However JUST THIS WEEK, Trump said "take people's guns first, and worry about due process later". CONSERVATIVES should worry.
---StrongAxe on 3/7/18


I know....OH MY..this man is totally scary. He Hasn't a clue about how our constitution works in any way shape or form..... I see impeachment coming soon.
---kathr453 on 3/8/18


Haz27:

NOBODY wants to "take away guns". All we want is to 1) have tighter vetting to ensure the right people (i.e. NOT criminals or psychopaths) get them, and 2) normal citizens have access to reasonable weapons - NOT including machine guns, grenades, rocket launchers, tanks, etc.

How many people's lives were saved by AR-15's? THAT's a statistic I would love to see.

Also, there was the constant lying prpaganda "Obama and Hillary want to take your guns". However JUST THIS WEEK, Trump said "take people's guns first, and worry about due process later". CONSERVATIVES should worry.
---StrongAxe on 3/7/18


Many more American citizens are killed by Americans than by illegals.
---StrongAxe on 3/7/18

You do research or have knowledge about this topic. I see that you care deeply to solve this issue.

But to solve this issue, we need to stop who is doing the shooting.

Who are the perpetrators for these mass shootings?

They are Young White Men. Not all, but certainly the majority.

We have failed these young men as parents, mentors, and teachers. We have not reached them, not encouraged them, and not challenged them. We have been so focused on other demographics (gender and race) that these men have been lost, emotionally, mentally, and spiritually.

We must find a way to change these men.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/7/18


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Debates like this wouldn't even occur if the Broward county sheriff office, the FBI, school administrators, mental health staff, were not so incompetent in their duty to protect society from known threats.

I wouldn't be surprised if after the deflections, lies, emotional manipulation from the likes of Fake News CNN, DEMs, etc dies down, then parents of victims might fully appreciate that the people responsible for their child's death are the school administrators, the Broward County sheriff's office, police Sargent Israel, the FBI, mental health staff, and they then justifiably file a law suit against these incompetent officials.

JOHN9346. Likewise in Australia we see gun ownership has increased whilst gun violence has decreased.
---Haz27 on 3/7/18


Haz: You're correct that Lefties like AXE have no idea about how many lives are potentially saved by defensive use of guns.//

Esp. for women.

//Approx 200,000 women use a gun every year to defend against rapists.//

Yes, and a AR is need for potential gang rapes.

A simple gun isn't going to protect a women against 15 men.
---Nicole_Lacey on 3/7/18


Rather than a report from the NRA, which such reports are always manipulated by the very people putting out such reports, I want to see an INDEPENDENT report please. Especially on AR15's. That's the issue at hand....the AGE limit of one buying and the mental stability/ instability of selling those kinds of weapons to just anyone. It doesn't have to be political...just common sense...like Ronald Reagan did with Machine Guns....

Anyone ever seen the true story LORD OF WAR. Those who make billions on selling guns to anyone who will buy them....
---kathr4453 on 3/7/18


NICOLE. You're correct that Lefties like AXE have no idea about how many lives are potentially saved by defensive use of guns.

According to National Safety Council, law abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times a year. This means guns are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives.

Of this defensive gun use the overwhelming majority merely brandish their gun or fire a warning shot to scare off attackers. Less than 8% of the time, a citizen will kill or wound the attacker.

Approx 200,000 women use a gun every year to defend against rapists.

Of course the deceitful Left remain silent on such inconvenient truths.
---Haz27 on 3/7/18


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A 2016 report from the National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action noted that:

As gun ownership has risen to an all-time high, the nations total violent crime rate has fallen to a 44-year low and the murder rate has fallen to an all-time low. Since 1991, when violent crime hit an all-time high, the nations violent crime rate and its murder rate have decreased by more than half, as Americans have acquired over 170 million new guns, roughly doubling the number of privately owned guns in the United States.

---john9346 on 3/7/18


StrongAxe, you are not making any sense. If you are trying to connect the NRA to Mass shooting.

Then you should connect ACTUAL mass shooting from ILLEGALS to poor border security measures.

But you are NOT.

BTW, other Countries have outrages horrible death by knives.

If I had a choice I rather be shot than chopped up to death.

//Many more American citizens are killed by Americans than by illegals.//

AND?

If by sister is beating me it's okay for my neighbor to beat me since I am already getting beaten?

If the Illegals are NOT HERE those Americans would be ALIVE!

We don't need to fight the world. We have ENOUGH problems with our own Citizen.
---Nicole_Lacey on 3/7/18


...the gun culture promoted by the NRA and other like-minded people is responsible for the large number of mass shootings in the U.S...
---StrongAxe on 3/7/18

The gun culture is the American heritage.

Our history is bloody and violent. The freedoms we have were bought and paid for in blood. We should never forget that.

And I have no desire to be like any other country in the world. No country in Europe, Asia, or Africa has the right to keep and bear arms. They have limited freedom.

Our Founders knew what this freedom would cost. They also knew it would allow us to be truly free, free from any monarchy or ruling class telling us what our freedoms are.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/7/18


Nicole_Lacey:

Even though no NRA members are known to be mass shooters, the fact remains that the NRA is a lobby group that promotes use of guns, both responsible and not, and the gun culture promoted by the NRA and other like-minded people is responsible for the large number of mass shootings in the U.S. (as opposed to every other industrialized country).

Many more American citizens are killed by Americans than by illegals.

Without unions, underpaid teachers would be even more underpaid. It is the fault of CONGRESS who keeps voting to lower education funding. The teachers don't HAVE to provide school supplies, but if they don't, nobody has any. The teachers care more about education than Congress does.
---StrongAxe on 3/7/18


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Nice try Cluny. Please don't be dishonest. You know very well that there is a difference from trying to take over the government and trying to protect oneself from the government.

StrongAxe, how do you know how many homes are protected from AR-15s?

You don't know how many people CHOSE NOT to harm someone or rob someone because they knew they had AR-15?

We don't want to harm someone with our guns or take over our government.

We want people to KNOW we are armed. SO LEAVE US ALONE!

Can you understand that?

BTW, Firefighters are paid LESS than Teachers and don't know if they are coming home when they leave the house.

Can you cry a river for them?
---Nicole_Lacey on 3/7/18


Mark Eaton. You're correct on 2nd Amendment. Even Supreme Court ruled 2nd Amendment confers an individual right to keep and bear arms.

NICOLE. The totalitarian Left deflect, obfuscate and lie trying to make 2nd Amendment the issue, even using kids blinded by grief, for their own political gain.

The Fake News CNN meeting with the cowardly Sargent Israel (who conveniently skimmed past his own office's fatal dereliction of duty to protect school children from a well known threat), and NRA representative Dana Loesch, we saw a ratings driven CNN create an Orwellian "2 minutes of hate" where Dana needed security to protect her from a threatening mob driven so by the emotional manipulations of opportunistic Leftists, etc.
---Haz27 on 3/7/18


michael_e:

Laws that prohibit firearm don't stop criminals, but laws limiting their availability do. Nobody ever shot up a school with a death ray - because you just can't get them.


Bill:

Teachers may be paid by the government, but they are not part of the government, any more than every person who gets food stamps or medicaid, or every corporation that gets government subsidies.

One can say it's GOOD for people to have arms to protect them from a tyrannical government. One CANNOT say the 2nd amendment gives them that right.

People need to do the math:
1) How many people have been killed by AR-15s?
2) How many home invasions have been stopped by AR-15s?
The answer to 1 is a lot higher than 2.
---StrongAxe on 3/6/18


Hi Bill, they never try to stop Illegals when bad Illegal kill American Citizens. Plus, not ONE MEMBER of the NRA has committed an mass shooting.

StrongAxe: You must be be 21 to buy liquor, but not guns.//

But, after 21 you don't restrict what TYPE of alcohol people can drink or even prevent people from DRINKING after DUIs.

You just STOP them from driving. They can drink 24/7

WHY?

//Teachers are so poorly supported by government they have to buy their own school supplies, and with the new budget, those won't even be tax deductible anymore.//

They can thank their own teacher's UNION for that MESS!

Maybe if they STOP paying their UNION DUES they can afford supplies?
---Nicole_Lacey on 3/6/18


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BILL. Whilst guns can't take on Cobra helicopters, etc, we see in conflicts like Afghanistan, etc, a civilian militia is effective with guns and IED's, etc against the far more advanced weaponry of USA, Russia.

NICOLE. The reason why the 2nd Amendment is attacked because of one bad person is because the deceitful Left with their ratings greedy Fake News media (like CNN) dominate public debate, deflecting attention away from the real issues like the failures of the FBI, police Sargent Israel, mental health staff, and BO policy that led to the recent school shooting.

The totalitarian Left are renowned for their desire for strict gun laws. They're also renowned for their dysfunctional societies and high homicide rates.
---Haz27 on 3/6/18


How is restricting machine guns, and requiring background to weed out sales ONLY to criminals "removing fire arms"?
---StrongAxe on 3/6/18

Please read the Second Amendment. The words "the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".

Any restriction (even machine guns) is an infringement of my ability to keep that firearm (even though the word fire is not included).

Do you think revolution could break out if we the people had only handguns and the government had machine guns?

Its as simple as anyone who want to infringe or restrict my firearms, wants to take them away from ME.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/6/18


\\Remember the 2nd Amendment was created to protect the American Citizens from her Government.\\

That's not what the 2nd amendment says, Nicole.

To take up arms against the government of the US is the Constitutional definition of treason.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/6/18


Yes, Strong Axe, but not all government people get $174,000 a year. I would say teachers are lesser paid members of the government and the authority structure.

I think the historical context of right to bear arms meant having arms so the people could stand up to a tyrannical government.

But, like I meant, below, people now might need a little more than AK-47's or whatever they are. Ones would need missiles for dealing with Cobra helicopters, and eventually that might not accomplish much more than spitting BB's, because "without Me you can do nothing" (in John 15:5).

Nicole, I think you are right, if you mean we need to not allow evil people to steer and decide everything we do.

But God uses prayer.
---Bill on 3/6/18


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Why would one think new laws attempting to control firearms in the hands of law abiding would help?
Did we forget the "fast and furious gun walking debacle"
Those were real assault weapons unlike ARs.
It is not law or weapon choice.
Bad things happen as a result of mans rebellion in Adam. Good things happen as a result of Gods grace in Jesus Christ.
---michael_e on 3/6/18


And oh how insulting to say teachers would get $1000.00 bonus....I nearly fell over. Peanuts...and that is EXACTLY what that skin flint cheap skate wants to do....give $1000.00 bonuses instead of hiring PROFESSIONALS, and then has the audacity to say...LOOK AT ALL THE MONEY WE CAN SAVE. Talk about third world mentality. Trump is getting more and more BAZZAR by the minute.

Teachers are just as capable also of jumping the tracks ....as many have....even one Principle here killed herself right in her office for all to find....because she couldn't take the pressure.

We can't even screen teachers from PERVY activity...I would not want some NUT CASE carrying a gun around school.

The whole idea is AWFUL.
---kathr4453 on 3/6/18


Nicole_Lacey:

You must be be 21 to buy liquor, but not guns.


Mark_Eaton:

How is restricting machine guns, and requiring background to weed out sales ONLY to criminals "removing fire arms"?


Bill:

When teachers get $174,000 a year and health care for life like Congress does, I might agree.

Teachers are so poorly supported by government they have to buy their own school supplies, and with the new budget, those won't even be tax deductible anymore.

The Second Amendment provides for arming people for one reason: to form a well-regulated militia (obsolete now, as we have armed forces, and not state militias). It says NOTHING about arming people to take down corrupt governments.
---StrongAxe on 3/6/18


StrongAxe: who have killed MANY innocent children and others.//

Now you all what to talk about innocent children?

Okay. 55 million die since 1973 because you LEFT PEOPLE want your right to abortion.

Plus did you know 1/2 of our massive shooting came from immigration of people from the middle east. I don't hear the Left complaining as well.

//The 2nd amendment says NOTHING about letting people have weapons to fight off dictators and corrupt governments.//

That's because you didn't learn our history as a child. Go and learn our history.

//If 5 TRAINED POLICE can't fend off a gunman, why do you think untrained TEACHERS can?
---StrongAxe

Maybe because they are INSIDE and not OUTSIDE?
---Nicole_Lacey on 3/6/18


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The head of Australia's NSW Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research, Don Weatherburn said our 1996 gun laws had little to no effect on gun violence. His concerns lay instead with illegal guns from criminals.

The National Safety Council estimated between 500,000 to 3 million lives are saved each year in USA due to defensive use of guns. Compare this to the 10,000 to 30,000 lives lost due to guns.

USA with it's numerous guns is only in 111th place for homicide rates worldwide. Interestingly most of the nations with higher homicide rates are Socialist with strict gun laws. USA would have even rated far safer than 111th place if DEMs run cities with strict gun laws were left out leaving only cities with the least gun laws.
---Haz27 on 3/6/18


I agree with Samuel. No one owned machine guns in the 20-30's except the mafia.

Personally I think the NRA is not the same as it was years ago. Today, lobbiests for the NRA are EXPLOITING the second amendment for the sole purpose of GREED...MONEY, just like the drug industry has. The Drug industry could care less about your health...they're just out to make money....same with the NRA.

Love that states and individual industries are stepping up. What I see happening because the GOP won't take a stand are these kids coming of voting age going to totally vote out Republicans...and guns all together. And who's fault will that be? Just ban the AR15 assault weapon and the likes. No one NEEDS these kind of weapons.
---kathr4453 on 3/5/18


A 2016 report from the National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action noted that:

As gun ownership has risen to an all-time high, the nations total violent crime rate has fallen to a 44-year low and the murder rate has fallen to an all-time low. Since 1991, when violent crime hit an all-time high, the nations violent crime rate and its murder rate have decreased by more than half, as Americans have acquired over 170 million new guns, roughly doubling the number of privately owned guns in the United States.
---john9346 on 3/5/18


Hi, Nicole and everyone (c:

"Thousands die each year due to DUIs. Children are killed, abused and neglected because of Alcohol"

And a number are killed by medical instruments before they are born.

"The recent horrible shooting proves why Teachers need to be armed."
"The Government CAN NOT save you."

Teachers are part of the government, are they not?

And according to my knowledge of history, Jesus told the Apostle Peter that he who lives by the sword will perish by it.

"A Dictator CAN NOT exist when average Citizens are well armed."

machine guns, bazookas, missiles for taking down military jets and Cobras . . .
---Bill on 3/5/18


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The people I know who want to remove fire arms are people who do not own them.

When our Founding Fathers wrote in the Second Amendment, they realized that without arms, we would have never have won our freedom from England or even been able to fight for it.

They also realized that without arms, most could not feed themselves. Think of life in the wild trying to survive without the ability to kill game.

We no longer need the ability to kill game to survive. But we still need arms to fight for freedom.

Ask the people in Ukraine about freedom and arms. They will likely agree with our second amendment.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/5/18


Samuel: To see who has weapons of war and to regulate who has them//

??? Any gun is a weapon of war. That's why our Founding Fathers created the 2nd Amendment. That's the whole point.

Plus, it's the law that People with mental illness CAN'T get guns.

According to your logic people should require a license for alcohol.

Alcohol alters the mind and you can drive a car into a person.

Guns can do neither by just holding it.

If you are trying to harm me, I am pulling the trigger with purpose.

//Regulation is not repealing. They are not the same thing.//

It's trying to slowly limit the population from disarming.

BTW, don't you all the more you all behave this way the more people BUY Guns?
---Nicole_Lacey on 3/5/18


ax: "If 5 TRAINED POLICE can't fend off a gunman, why do you think untrained TEACHERS can?"

I can answer that. Police will always arrive too late to save anyone. Teachers (and others) are on site and can effect a timely response. They can also be trained.

I have a question for you. What gives you - a Canadian - the right to question OUR US Constitution? Go back to Canada where guns and free speech are restricted.



---jerry6593 on 3/5/18


many, many laws against drugs,
drug use and overdoses are at all time high, maybe another law would help. Laws against drunk driving worked out well.
In a fatherless society, we need more men to follow the Bible pattern. A good mother bears the truth with gentleness, affection, and labors night and day to see their children grow up in Gods will.
---michael_e on 3/4/18


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Nicole_Lacey:

It's NOT one bad person - it's MANY bad people who have killed MANY innocent children and others.

The 2nd amendment says NOTHING about letting people have weapons to fight off dictators and corrupt governments.

Do YOU have guns in your house so YOU can be called to serve in a state militia? If you have them for ANY OTHER REASON, that isn't covered by the 2nd amendment. Also, nobody wants to take your pistols or your hunting rifles - ONLY machine guns - something no private citizen has a reasonable need for.

Prohibition did NOT WORK. Gun control laws in other countries DO work.

If 5 TRAINED POLICE can't fend off a gunman, why do you think untrained TEACHERS can?
---StrongAxe on 3/4/18


I do not oppose the right to own weapons. I do support that the Government has the right and duty. To see who has weapons of war and to regulate who has them.

No one is trying to repeal the 2nd Amendment. Just as you need a Drivers license to drive. You should need a permit to own weapons of war and others.

Regulation is not repealing. They are not the same thing.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/4/18


I am sick and tired of debating and explaining why I should to keep my 2nd Amendment right.

The recent horrible shooting proves why Teachers need to be armed.

You had 5 Policemen with guns refusing or told not to go into the school.

The Promise Program allowed the man to get a gun.

Local Police and FBI dropped many balls.

The Man even called 911 on himself.

The Government CAN NOT save you.

As Reagan said "Government is not the solution to the problem. Government is the problem."

Remember the 2nd Amendment was created to protect the American Citizens from her Government.

A Dictator CAN NOT exist when average Citizens are well armed.

LEARN YOUR HISTORY!
---Nicole_Lacey on 3/3/18


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