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Can We Say Father

Why are people claiming we can't say father when Jesus called Abraham father (John 8:56) and Paul himself a father to others (1 Cor 4:15)?

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Karen, THANK YOU for telling Kathr about 'Father Abraham' song. I learned it and sang it at several Baptists Churches as a child.
I forgot the 'falling down' part. IT WAS FUN! :D

Josef, ONLY God is Jesus' ACTUAL Father. John 8:56, Jesus is just saying WHO rejoiced at the THOUGHT and at SEEING His day. A simple truth statement from Jesus. No confusion. He called Abraham 'Father' to them. More titles in Matt 12:46-50

Kathr, ONLY GOD Forgives sins. In the Mass and the Confessional the Priest ACTS in the person of Jesus as COMMANDED by Jesus in John 20:21-23

Jesus BREATHED the Holy Spirit on the Disciples and COMMANDED them to either forgive or NOT to forgive SINS.

Jesus DIDN'T give Priests the power to READ MINDS.
---Nicole_Lacey on 3/17/18

I take scripture any day over opinion or tradition. The Bible says not to call anyone Father.
---KarenD on 3/15/18

Thanks KarenD and Strongaxe. Learn something new every day.

But even with that song, I don't see it has anything to so with what Nicole is asking.... We're not all Father Flannigans the comparison is somewhat off kilter here. And in referencing our founding fathers ...again in no way suggests we are their children.

So there are many ways to use the word "father" . I like the term "grandfathered in" too, but it has nothing to do with Grandfathers or even people in general.
---kathr4453 on 3/14/18


Google: "father Abraham had many sons"
I had never heard of it before either.
---StrongAxe on 3/13/18

Ksthr4453.....It is a cute little children's song where the children march around and sing it. "Father Abraham had many sons. Many sons had Father Abraham. I am one of them and so are you. So let's just praise the Lord." There are motions which end up with all the children marching and swinging their arms to the music. At the end, they all fall down in laughter. We sing it in the Assemblies of God and other Pentecostal churches for Children's Church.
---KarenD on 3/13/18

Our only SPIRITUAL Father is to be GOD.

For me personally, I come from a dysfunctional family and always considered GOD to be the one who raised me and gave me my values,......I am a "son of" (result of) GOD and also loved my DAD.
---faithforfaith on 3/13/18

Also if I may add to Josef's....Jesus also rebuked those who put so much emphasis on Abaham being their Father...( which I think they were ALSO referring to their biological connection as well as spiritual) is Jesus replied..."Before Abraham was...I AM".

---kathr4453 on 3/13/18

I've never head any such song called Father Abraham this or that. You sure this is a Protestant song and not a Mormon song, or JW song or Messianic Jewish song? We sing songs praising Jesus. We don't sing songs exalting Moses or Abraham or David, or Isaac.

What is the name of the song and who is the author..

Cite please.
---kathr4453 on 3/12/18

"WHY are you all ignoring Jesus calling Abraham our father in John 8:56?" Nicole, considering what Jesus said earlier, He was simply sarcastically quoting the Jew's, (that He was directly addressing at that time), profession. For as he had already stated that if Abraham was indeed their father, they would be doing his works. Then He told them who their father actually was.
---josef on 3/12/18

We even have here our FOUNDING FATHERS. So it would appear Abraham too was a founding father of not only Israel, but the Faith as well. Also, it goes deeper with the Catholic Church. First, no one can come to the Father except through Jesus Christ., and it's to our Heavenly Father we can come directly to pray and confess our sin without a middleman. This "Father forgive me for I have sinned" this said to Father Flannagan or our Father in heaven that confusingly someone called " Father" in human form is having to intercept? Not even in Israel under the OT were the Levites called Father or listened to confession. So it's not as innocent or dummied down as Nicole wants you to think it is.
---kathr4453 on 3/13/18

Yes Protestants often carry the meaning of not calling anyone father too far. It was in the past a reaction to the extreme view of Priests and Pope being the fathers that you needed to save you. Instead of looking to GOD and our High Priest Jesus Christ.

Our Father who saves us is GOD the Father.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/13/18


I agree with josef's biblical answer.

There may be various arguments concerning this, such as this concerns one's attitude towards the Father vs an earthly/natural parent and making an important distinction of honoring God over it meant literally? If so or in doubt, the natural parent could simply be referred to as 'dad' or some other synonym.
---Chria9396 on 3/12/18

Josef: Nicole, because Jesus said "call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven." Mat 23:9//

I understand where you are claiming Jesus means that, but WHY are you all ignoring Jesus calling Abraham our father in John 8:56?

Plus, I believe Protestants claim up with the famous song 'Father Abraham' if I am not mistaken?

'Father Abraham had many sons, how many sons had father Abraham? I am one of them and so are you, so lets just praise the Lord....'

Protestants seem hypocritical.
---Nicole_Lacey on 3/12/18

The true meaning of what is written in the bible is lost. Today's so-called christians have the worldly knowledge and understanding of the bible and will never, ever have the true spiritual knowledge and understanding of what is written in the bible without the help of the Holy Spirit's guidance.
---Steveng on 3/12/18

Judges 5:7 The inhabitants of the villages ceased, they ceased in Israel, until that I Deborah arose, that I arose a mother in Israel.

Yet Deborah was never addressed as MOTHER Deborah.

Because we are begotten sons through Jesus Christ, and being IN CHRIST, we are sons and heirs with Christ...and the ONLY Spiritual Father We have is God.He literally is our Heavenly Father.

Paul Laboring to bring people to,Christ and bring them to maturity Laboring until Christ was formed in them...his maturity level...the HIGHEST is said to be that of a father, as opposed to children, or young men. Again not to be used as a title....nor did anyone call Paul Father and Paul NEVER asked anyone to call him Father.
---kathr4453 on 3/12/18

Kathr: Gen 17:5 5.//

Again, you are PROVING my point.

Abraham is given a TITLE.

//This verse ( hopefully Nicole won't mangle) is God speaking to Abraham, and in no way is a TITLE//

Yes it is a Title.

Let me help you.

I hear Protestants call each other Sister Susan or Brother Sam.

They are using the 'Sister' and 'Brother' as titles.


//But to use this as some EXCUSE for a Catholic priest to call themself FATHER this or almost blasphemous.--kath4454

Nooo, you misunderstood me. I proved that Jesus CALLED someone ELSE father.

Are you claiming Jesus is blaspheming?
---Nicole_Lacey on 3/12/18

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Where are people claiming we CAN'T say father when Jesus called Abraham father.

Paul called himself father.

All this is in the Bible.

Why are people making RULES are NOT in the Bible?
---Nicole_Lacey on 3/12/18

Nicole, because Jesus said "call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven." Mat 23:9
---josef on 3/12/18

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