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Spiritual Food And Drink

Jesus is SPIRITUAL food and drink, as described in 1Corinthians 10:3,4.

As the lost lack Jesus, our spiritual food/drink, then they're spiritually hungry/thirsty, as described in Matt 25:35.

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Even the pagans had have a priestly order. But the priesthood given exclusively to Israel by God, with specific functions, duties. Only from the tribe of Levi, did not carry over to the church. I don't care how many words there is, it does not establish a doctrine of the kind of Priesthood the RCC, Orthodox, OR Mormonism has established. The scriptures on Hebrews established the doctrine.
---kathr4453 on 4/19/18


Names of priests is not the issue. Priest priesthood. Priests 3547_3550 is all variations of the exact same priesthood. Different tenses of the word render a slight different spelling. Same with the list of Greek words. Its all describing the Levitical Priesthood, with the exception of Jesus and Melchizedek. Jesus is is "after the order of" Melchizedek..

Hebrews 4:14-16. Especially vs 15 no human can fill those shoes. Now read Hebrews 5-13.
---kath453 on 4/19/18


kathr4454:

Strongs lists 14 words translated as Priest. Most come from Hebrew "kohen" or Greek "hierus":

H3547 kahan: priest's office
H3548 kohen: priest
H3549 kahen (Aramaic): priest
H3550 kehunnah: priesthood
H3649 kamar: Chemarims, idolatrous priests (used only 3x)

G367 Ananias: name of a specific Jewish High Priest
G748 archieratikos: of the high prriest
G749 archiererus: high priest
G2405 hierateia: priest's office
G2406 hierateuma: priesthood
G2409 hierateuo: execute priest's office
G2410 hierus: priest
G2420 hierosyne: priesthood
G2491 Ioannes: John (names of several people)

Also Melchizedek was a priest unrelated to Levi (Gen 14:18, Ps 110:4, Heb 7)
---StrongAxe on 4/19/18


I agree with you points here.
Kathyr.

GOD bless and keep you.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/19/18


We're also kings but we don't rule anyone here and now, and our priesthood is a heavenly calling not an earthly one. Certainly not the way the RCC has misrepresented those scriptures. There is no earthly succession of a priesthood passed from Peter to the next as head of any earthly church, imitating the OT Priesthood succession of only sons from tribe of Levi. It changed and Jesus Christ IS the only High Priest as well as head of the Church, and the BOC with Christ alone as the head IS THE ONLY CHURCH.. The individual priesthood of the believer is opposite of what the Catholic Church teaches. We are not some imitation counterfeit strutting around in robes with crowns. That's Satan mocking the true Church and priesthood.
---kathr4453 on 4/19/18




True there is only one High Priest Jesus Christ.

But all Christians are priests.

This doctrine is called the priesthood of the Believers.

1Pe 2:9

But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people, that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
---Samuelbb7 on 4/19/18


Cluny, as a poor speller yourself, you know Mariology is the obsession with the Virgin Mary. And Pergetory ...well , it's what comes up on my auto correct..deal with it. Make sure you spell their heresy correctly. It's an acceptable mistake for those who do not believe in heretical beliefs, since these are not everyday words for us. To them, it's more important than the heresy itself.

Back to the issue....THESE WERE NOT PRIMITIVE CHRISTIAN DOCTRINES. And that's why John's comments offend Cluny and Brendan. It wipes out the false teaching of the RCC and Orthodox. .....unless Orthodox do not believe in Mariology and pergetory and statute kissing...CAN YOU PICTURE PAUL kneeling and KISSING A STATUTE?
---kathr4453 on 4/19/18


Brendan, Twisting others words is worse than twisting letters in a word .....Is LOSER behavior.

The EARTHLY PRIESTHOOD CHANGED when the New Covenant came in....and the ONLY High Priest is Jesus Christ. The Priests robes and head gear in the OT was for them ALONE, and scripture details their garments and their job no one else could do. There is no such clothing or detailing of any human priesthood detailing any such garments or specific job description of a priesthood under the New Covenant. What you are doing is ANTI-CHRIST behavior. And also IS NOT what Peter has in mind stating "we" the BOC are a royal priesthood. The BOC does not wear robes and crowns on earth. However the Mother of Harlots does. Take heed!
---kathr4454 on 4/19/18


Brenda, there is NO human earthly priesthood in the NT. How many times do I have to state that? Is it your short term memory, or what? Are you slow? Is there something wrong with you.

And NO, according to STRONGS, there are not many different words that mean priest. There were priests and the High Priest in the OT. The came exclusively from the tribe of LEVI. Today Jesus is our High Priest.

Please read Hebrews Brenda, it's all there. And no where is it taught by Peter or Paul what you all took and mutilated and distorted.
---kathr4453 on 4/18/18


Kathr4453 said, "An example of this is the English word LOVE, that actually has different meanings and different words in the original we only have one English word LOVE. It doesn't work that way with the word Priest.

And the priesthood under the OT and NEW is clearly defined in Hebrews. One word will not change that truth."


Kathr, just as there are several words in Greek that the English translates as love, just so, there are several words in Greek that translate into priest.

And seeing as you say that there is no NT priesthood, that means that you reject the idea of Jesus being the great High Priest, and you also discount the idea that you are Priest, prophet and king with Jesus.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/18/18




First, did you know that there are several different words in the Bible, with different meanings in different contexts, that are translated by the single English word "priest"?

Answer my question with a simple "yes" or "no", and I'll explain what I m ean. Is that fair?
---Cluny on 4/15/18

The simple answer is NO there is not.

Not according to a STRONGS Concordance.

An example of this is the English word LOVE, that actually has different meanings and different words in the original we only have one English word LOVE. It doesn't work that way with the word Priest.

And the priesthood under the OT and NEW is clearly defined in Hebrews. One word will not change that truth.
---kathr4453 on 4/18/18


What a shame, a missed opportunity to have gotten an actual apology from Monk. You really should drop the MONK part of your name. Is a disgrace to your profession. You ProvokE and then screaming foul when you are called out. Is that calculated mischief? AKA EVIL?

And this ONE ENGLISH word Cluny has many meanings to EXCUSE and promote a false priesthood. What's that?

There is only ONE GREEK and HEBREW word for PRIEST, and only one GREEK AND HEBREW word for HIGH PRIEST. ...and those do not translate into many different ENGLISH WORDS.

Let's discuss that ....

Yep Monk....you would have to see it to believe it. But the Natural man cannot SEE the things God has In Store for US...but WE CAN. 2 Corinthians 2:9-16
---kathr4453 on 4/18/18


Kathr4453 said, "Taste and see that the Lord is Good people. The LOVE OF GOD that is IN CHRIST JESUS is beyond words, and beyond this world. The Milk and Honey , grapes the size of basketballs.....and all you have to do is ENTER IN...to this wonderful Promise Land, which is IN CHRIST."

Where is "grapes the size of basketballs" in the Scripture?

So you believe that it's pie in the sky by and by.

"Taste and see how good the Lord is," is a Communion hymn, it is used there as a physical reminder that Our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ has given us His Body and Blood to nourish us.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/17/18


So yes HAZ, Jesus is our very life, and spiritual food. His very life in us, that comes ONLY by being Crucified with Christ and raised up a NEW CREATURE, far above all powers and principalities, and seated with Him in heavenly places, where we are fed day and night on the RICHES THAT ARE IN CHRIST JESUS. And because of that we will never hunger and thirst again, but are so totally satisfied, for His mercy is also new every day.

Taste and see that the Lord is Good people. The LOVE OF GOD that is IN CHRIST JESUS is beyond words, and beyond this world. The Milk and Honey , grapes the size of basketballs.....and all you have to do is ENTER IN...to this wonderful Promise Land, which is IN CHRIST.
---kathr4453 on 4/17/18


Monk, so you conclude both Cluny and I cannot spell, but you will listen to Cluny.? So what! What does that have to do with anything? You listen to Cluny because birds of a feather flock together, and has nothing to do with my being dyslexic. Sorry, I can't afford a proof reader, and it seems Cluny can't either.

But like I stated before, it only bothers you, so because of that, you are not that important to me to impress.

But your LYING about others comes from an evil heart, not a learning disability.

Since God created me EXACTLY the way He did, I celebrate who I am IN CHRIST. He chooses the base and ignorant and foolish things to bring to nothing the likes of arrogant posers like you.

Move on catty woman.
---kathr4453 on 4/16/18


Monk, this one thing I know, that I can praise God you never had children. My father, like you was a perfect speller. Also perfect in math etc, graduated from MIT, and became one of our nations first nuclear engineers . He passed in 2012 .

And because my father was so brilliant that came so easily to him, had no tolerance for anything less that an A for all 6 of his children. By my junior year, I tried to kill myself, because I could not take the pressure, punishment and abuse.

The Lord spent years healing me form an abusive home due to my learning disability that was just not known or understood when I was growing up. I'm 68.

So your comments and badgering only shows what a bully you are. Shame on you.
---kath4453 on 4/16/18


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Kathr4453 said, "Just to name A FEW TERRIBLE SPELLER'S so I'm in great company Monk, and am not embarassed what so ever by your ignorance. However you should be."

But all of them took the time to have someone check the spelling of what they had written before it was published. You do not. Nor does Cluny. So I will listen to Cluny a lot faster than I will listen to you.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/16/18


In wither case, I see no purpose in continuing this discussion.

Christ is risen.
---Cluny on 4/15/18

Yes, totally agree. Conversation is either purposely a smoke screen, or you're confused. In EITHER case, it's going nowhere.....like you planned all along.
---kathr4453 on 4/16/18


Too funny, now Cluny wants to use RCC TERMS " INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE " as another KellyAnne Conway deflection ....well, not interested in your "Alternate FACTS either.
And until you learn how to spell Cluny , yep another one , I can't discuss with people who can't spell, since they don't know what their talking about.

Does that work for you Cluny. Your rules right.
---kathr4453 on 4/16/18


No Cluny, I won't answer your question because you have used this as an excuse not to answer mine. So juvenile. I'm not interested in your " ALTERNATIVE FACTS" .

And why is is so convenient to say you're Orthodox( another deflection) and use RCC terms, and defend RCC doctrine. Talk about the run around. Chase your own tail, ...and I'll watch while you get dizzy and run into your own walls.

Your alternative facts ALA LIES, and made up definitions to words not even found in scripture is something that needs to be REBUKED, not discussed by spreading grape jelly over it so the ignorant will eat it up. Maybe because I have spelling issues you thought I was stupid and would believe your false teachings. So wrong.
---kath453 on 4/16/18


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\\Suggesting a "word"nulls out whole chapters of sound doctrine, is worse than misspelled words.
---kath453 on 4/15/18
\\

In other words, kathr, either you cannot answer my question because I'm making you think about thing you don't think about, or you simply don't want to discuss an issue YOU brought up in a mature way.

The Roman Catholic Church refers to something called "invincible ignorance." Yours seems to be triumphalist ignorance. You simply don't WANT to know anything that contradicts the propaganda you spread on here.

In wither case, I see no purpose in continuing this discussion.

Christ is risen.
---Cluny on 4/15/18


Einstein,
Leonardo de Vinci
Agatha Christie
Yates
JFK
Winston Churchill
Benjamin Franklin

Just to name A FEW TERRIBLE SPELLER'S so I'm in great company Monk, and am not embarassed what so ever by your ignorance. However you should be.

Making fun of anyone's handicap, what ever it is, is ...well, we all know what kind of people do that.

And Monk also makes up lies against others here....or is that due to confusion and a horrible memory....accusing Steveng of saying he was a Doctor when he never said such a thing. You do that a lot Monk. Is it intentional, or do you have a handicap? Misspelled words don't hurt anyone...your LYING does.
---kathr4453 on 4/16/18


Just another ignorant comment from Monk ...seeing Einstein, along with many brilliant folks can't spell. So I see you can spell, but are ignorant as well. So there ya go. Deflecting into insults because you can't answer the question, making you perfect spelling false teachers.
---kathr4454 on 4/15/18


So unimpressed with Monks double standard, since you are the pot calling the kettle black, ..I just pointed out your hypocrisy.

Also Cluny, Hebrews makes very clear about the Earthly Priesthood, and how its changed with Jesus Christ. Suggesting a "word"nulls out whole chapters of sound doctrine, is worse than misspelled words.
---kath453 on 4/15/18


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Kathr4453 said, "Oh dear, a misspelled word, and maybe two here. Is God having a laugh at you Cluny . is this about "hats" ? Or don't you know what you are talking about?"

Kathr, that is the pot calling the kettle black. Cluny never uses a spell check, he just says what's on his mind--usually pretty solid. I do not normally point out spelling errors, unless it is riotously funny.

But your spelling on this blog is a sin and a shame. Learn to speak and read and write proper English with correct spelling, and you will go a lot farther than poking fun at Cluny
---Monk_Brendan on 4/15/18


Tell you what, kathr. Let me ask YOU a few questions. To make it easy, I'll ask just one question at a time.

First, did you know that there are several different words in the Bible, with different meanings in different contexts, that are translated by the single English word "priest"?

Answer my question with a simple "yes" or "no", and I'll explain what I m ean. Is that fair?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/15/18


.

kathr's posts prove Fulton Sheen's saying: Very few people hat the Catholic Church as shew really is, but MISSIONS hate what they THINK is the Catholic Church.
Cluny////

Oh dear, a misspelled word, and maybe two here. Is God having a laugh at you Cluny . is this about "hats" ? Or don't you know what you are talking about?
---kathr4453 on 4/14/18


Ok so now that Cluny has shown he doesn't know what he's talking about, as he is judged with the same judgement , which also shows amazing ignorance, in that Einstein, F Scott Firzgerald, along with a long long list of smarter folks than Cluny or Monk could not spell. Yes, look it up. Your comment shows total ignorance on your part.

But you've also been shown that here many times, yet you think your own reasoning is superior to anyone else's.

But once you lower a discussion to a personal insult or attack ...you've LOST THE ARGUMENT. Why? Because once you deflect it shows you don't know the answer.

Pride always comes before a fall...you should know that too.
---kath453 on 4/14/18


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\\Very few people hat the Catholic Church as shew really is, but MISSIONS hate what they THINK is the Catholic Church.\\

Make that MILLIONS.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/14/18


\\Kathr, if you want to be insulting, as least have the good form to SPELL things properly.\\

Monk Brendan, I've noticed that people who can't spell a word properly generally don't know what it really means.

kathr's posts prove Fulton Sheen's saying: Very few people hat the Catholic Church as shew really is, but MISSIONS hate what they THINK is the Catholic Church.

Christ is risen!

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/14/18


Cluny, I'm not sure that matters if you all hold the same beliefs that you both have an earthly priesthood acting as God, and preforming an extraordinary miracle of turning flower and water baked in an oven into God. And no scripture backs up your claim that the Holy Spirit is doing it either. Not one mention in the NT about your practice.

Now there is about communion where we are to remember His death until He comes. And we do in remembrance of Him....a memorial.


Now where is your scripture. You all both use the same scriptures dont your? So Orthoxox or RCC is not the issue here. Or does the Orthodox find the practice of the RCC false doctrines?
---kathr4453 on 4/14/18


Kathr4453 said, "I'm sure you also teach and believe all your stuff about Marionism as being universally held doctrine in pre-reformation era. Just another example of NOT TRUE...except in your own propaganda."

Marion? You mean to say you think anyone is praying to "Duke" Wayne?

"Same with pergetory, and so much more. All man made doctrines made up by the RCC was to FLEECE the poor peasants and have a HOLD over them."

Kathr, if you want to be insulting, as least have the good form to SPELL things properly.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/14/18


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kathr, you seem not to have grasped the simple fact that I am ORTHODOX, and not Roman Catholic.

You also seem to think that all Christians from Constantine to Luther were somehow controlled by Rome. This is simply not true.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/14/18


Cluny, only according to your own church propaganda. Paul or Peter never taught such a thing. Also scripture is very clear there is no HUMAN NT PRIESTHOOD. This is Catholic propaganda, not universally held truth before the RCC started trafficking in the Gospel, and certainly did not hold AFTER the reformers broke your stranglehold over GODS WORD that now people can read and decide for themselves.

I'm sure you also teach and believe all your stuff about Marionism as being universally held doctrine in pre-reformation era. Just another example of NOT TRUE...except in your own propaganda.

Same with pergetory, and so much more. All man made doctrines made up by the RCC was to FLEECE the poor peasants and have a HOLD over them.
---kathr4453 on 4/14/18


kathr, you are the one who does not get the issue.

FIRST: Where did you get the idea that the belief that the bread becomes the Body is a "Roman Catholic thingy",when it's held by ALL the pre-reformation Churches,including those NEVER under the jurisdiction of Rome?

Next, you clearly don't understand the pre-reformation churches' doctrine of the Apostolic Succession (which your sect lacks).

Third, you don't even know the etymology of the word "priest," or the different words used in the NT that are so translated by this one English word.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/13/18


SANE people will "hunger" for the graciousness and blessings/gifts of God, but not many will "thirst" and DRAW NEAR.....that is why Jesus poured out from His side "LIVING WATER" (our THIRD witness).

Acts 2:17 says that the Lord has POURED OUT His spirit.
Rev 7:16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more,
1Jo 5:8 There are three witnesses, the Spirit, the water, and the blood, and these three agree.
Sng 4:15 a garden fountain (Garden of Eden)

Jer 17: 13 the fountain of living water

Jhn 7:38 shall flow rivers of living water..

Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not food and drink but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit,
---faithforfaith on 4/13/18


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Cluny, the issue is.....the nonexistent nonbiblical false teaching you all have of an earthly priesthood. And your false teaching that your nonbiblical priesthood has some sort of extra nonbiblical power to turn crackers, wafers, bread ( all made from human flour, water, salt eggs etc) cooked or baked in a human oven first. All hold the same ingredients, some add yeast , some do not. The FORM the dough comes out as, depending too on how long it's baked in a human oven, what kind of pan or baking sheet....IS NOT THE ISSUE. The issue is, there is no NT priesthood for this tradition.
---kathr4453 on 4/13/18


Cluny, the issue is.....the nonexistent nonbiblical false teaching you all have of an earthly priesthood. And your false teaching that your nonbiblical priesthood has some sort of extra nonbiblical power to turn crackers, wafers, bread ( all made from human flour, water, salt eggs etc) cooked or baked in a human oven first. All hold the same ingredients, some add yeast , some do not. The FORM the dough comes out as, depending too on how long it's baked in a human oven, what kind of pan or baking sheet....IS NOT THE ISSUE. The issue is, there is no NT priesthood for this tradition that ANY OF IT IN ANY FORM is turned literally INTO GOD. Some find that teaching VULGAR, since it teaches canibalism.
---kathr4454 on 4/13/18


Well Cluny I disagree. An Atheist would not hold the Spiritual aspect since they don't believe in GOD. What I find is that many hate god. But don't believe he exists. That does not make sense.

Agreed the RCC cannot stand for the Orthodox. Since they still spread the lie that the Orthodox turned against the legitimate leadership of the Pope. A lie upheld in the recent CNN special on the Pope. But the Special has also aired a lot of information the RCC hates people to know.

Let us follow Jesus.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/13/18


Well, kathr,you condemn MY church and all the other pre-reformation Churches in calling the Biblical truth that the bread and wine become truly the Body and Blood of Christ a "cracker".

Or are you claiming that you alone should remain proof against insults which you pass out so freely?

FWIW, in the last few years, an atheist said he wanted to "score" some consecrated hosts to prove there is 'no power in the cracker."

If you use his words, it means you think as he does about the Eucharist.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/13/18


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Cluny, it's only vulgar in your mind. There is nothing vulgar about crackers. You are condemning my church. Now I find that vulgar. Even Strongaxe told you there's nothing wrong with " cracker"

However, you all still never answered the question. So this smoke screen you've thrown up is just a KellyAnn Conway tactic. Not working.
---kathr4453 on 4/12/18


\\I guess like many didn't know saying Roman Catholic Church is offensive too,\\

It isn't to Eastern Catholics. (I'm not talking about the Orthodox here.)

The Roman Catholic Church is not the whole, or even the standard, of the Catholic Church.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/11/18


\\ I had no idea it was offensive.\\

What do you think I meant when I said it was vulgar?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/12/18


Thank you Monk. I like it when one goes the extra step and explains ...

Appreciate it. I will never say cracker again. I had no idea it was offensive...I guess like many didn't know saying Roman Catholic Church is offensive too, without trying to be offensive.

I've taken communion in Churches that use crackers. But for us it's symbolic... we also don't use wine, because of the problem of alcoholism. For some, just a drop of alcohol can set someone off. We feel God knows what's In our heart , doesn't care what's in our stomach.
---kathr4453 on 4/11/18


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Kathr4453 said, "Isn't it a wafer? And a wafer is not bread either. It's all the same ingredients. And since it is turned into God....what difference does it make if one requires more water in the recipe than another."

Not all Catholic priests use unleavened bread. Some use a yeast dough, leavened. This is the usual use of the Byzantine Tradition, including those Churches that have never been under Roman Rule. That is one reason why you should not call it a cracker.

Most crackers have a chemical ingredient that will make the bread rise. Soda crackers use baking soda.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/11/18


Isn't it a wafer? And a wafer is not bread either. It's all the same ingredients. And since it is turned into God....what difference does it make if one requires more water in the recipe than another.

I believe a wafer is more like a cracker. And unleavened anything is FLAT....also looks more like a cracker.

What is so obscene about crackers? So crackers are vulgar ? So is it impossible to turn crackers into God?

Cluny, you are deflecting here. You can't answer the question and made up a silly excuse for not answering. I get it.
---kathr4453 on 4/10/18


kathr, as long as y,ou use such vulgar terms as "cracker" and "thingy" to talk about a matter that ALL Christians agree is sacred, I have nothing to say to you.

In any case, the Orthodox Church, as well as most of the Eastern Churches, use leavened bread, and NOTHING resembling crackers.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/10/18


Cluny, please show a verse that says the Holy Spirit change crackers into God. I posted your doctrine on the subject and no where is that stated. When I look in Ephesians 4 or 1 Corinthians 12 and 14 I see no such gift given any one or even a mention of it. And clearly Hebrews teaches the opposite.

So I believe it is you who do not understand the scriptures.

I believe you all took a verse and embellished on the subject, adding your own interpretation of the verse, and made a fortune on it taking advantage of those who didn't have Bibles...and over the years....well, it just stayed. YET since the scriptures were put back into the hands of men and women, we see that your interpretation is not universally believed or accepted.
---kathr4453 on 4/4/18


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Cluny:

How are crackers not merely another form of bread? The Last Supper was at Passover, so the bread used would have been unleavened Matzoh crackers. Even if you believe the Last Supper was not a Passover Seder, it only happened the night before, and Jewish households are required to totally cleanse their houses of leaven in advance in preparation for the Passover - so the only bread available at that time would necessarily have been unleavened.
---StrongAxe on 4/4/18


So in the future, I would prefer Nicole stop CORRECTING things she can't back up. Scripture also says the Church...that is us will one day judge the world and Angels. She wanted to correct that too. Yet it's clearly in scripture. The problem in, ms Nicole simply does not understand scripture, and thinks she has some outlandish authority to CORRECT OTHERS based on her non scriptural beliefs.
---kathr4453 on 4/4/18


You err, kathr, knowing neither the scriptures nor the power of God.

It is not the human priest that changes the bread (not crackers) and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ, but the Holy Spirit.

Show me where the Scripture DISPROVES what I said about the Coptic, Syriac, and other churches.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/4/18


kathr: Jesus IS our spiritual food and drink.//

Correct, in your Church because you do not have a Valid Priesthood.

---Nicole_Lacey on 3/29/18

You see, let's show where this started. NIcole telling non Catholics they do not have a VALID PRIESTHOOD.

And I posted WHAT the RCC or Orthodox consider a valid priesthood, using their own teachings....that's what the ITALICIZED texts were. I CITED. No one argued with the posts.

I simply asked what NT scriptures teach the RCC's version of a valid HUMAN priesthood who has the supernatural powers to turn crackers into Jesus AKA GOD, and claim they also become Jesus as head of the Church at that time....BASED ON SCRIPTURE. It's a simple request.
---kathr4453 on 4/4/18


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Cluny, my mind is on scripture. I'm waiting for the scripture. Sounds like you are deflecting, because you have no scripture to back up an earthly priesthood that specifically turns the priest into God and the Crackers into God too. If you can't back it up,IT'S FALSE DOCTRINE.
---kathr4453 on 4/3/18


\\Still no proof Cluny. Try again. I've already done my research\\

In ow\ther words, don't confuse you with facts, your mind is already made up.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/3/18


Thanks Strongaxe. We just say Easter. So Everything is a toss up between the Popes this or that or the Orthodox this or that? Why not go one step further and say the Popes Sunday? Or the Popes Worship Day? It's the comment itself I find unnecessary. It was the RCC that started the POPES EASTER correct? And the ONLY Pope there is is in ROME correct? Yet Nicole has issues with saying the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH. Strange. Yet again they also get offended when one says THE POPES new invention of communion not in scripture.

Anyway...I'm still waiting for the verses in scripture clearly defining a NT earthly priesthood ...the special priesthood that only they turn into God and has powers to turn crackers into God's flesh and blood.
---kathr4453 on 4/3/18


kathr4453:

Not everyone uses the same calender. Most people in the west use the Gregorian Calendar, and use the same formula for Easter that the Catholic Church has used for centuries, hence "The Pope's Easter". The Orthodox Church uses the Julian Calendar, that calculates Easter using a slightly different formula.
---StrongAxe on 4/2/18


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MONK. Gods word is SPIRITUALLY discerned, as described in 1Cor 2:14. JC said as much in Matt 13:13-35.

1Cor 10:3,4 describes JC as SPIRITUAL food and drink.

And remember John1:1 describes JC as the WORD of God.

JC is the teacher (Matt 23:8, 1John 2:27). Best you trust in him instead of man.
---Haz27 on 4/2/18


The Pope's Easter???
Really Cluny....we have that in our face too?? OK so you say that all these churches had/ have a special earthly priesthood that teach only they have some unique power to turn crackers literally into flesh and blood..... BUT where does scripture teach THAT? THATS the issue here as well. There were many Peter warned against who prevented the Faith. And many counterfeit gospels/ letters using the Apostles names..

Still no proof Cluny. Try again. I've already done my research
---kathr4453 on 4/2/18


Haz27 said, "
MONK. you quote 1Cor 11:23-25, but then you limit yourself to purely physical understanding.
Scripture is SPIRITUALLY discerned 1Cor 2:14, hence we should not read it like a natural person would."


Haz, when I was learning the Bible, I was taught to look first at the clear text of the Word. First, in English (as that is my mother tongue), and then in Greek. While I am not a Greek scholar, I do know one, my monastic superior.

So first, the clear text of the Word does NOT say that the bread and wine spiritually represent the Gifts that God wants to give us. Rather, the clear Word says that the bread and wine truly become the Body and Blood of Jesus.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/2/18


\\Name these ancient churches please. And please prove your findings here. These could not be those who were followers of any of the Apostles.\\

WRONG AGAIN, kathr.

Coptic Church of Egypt, founded by St. Mark.

Ethiopian Orthodox Church, founded by St. Frumentios of the 70.

Syriac Churches, founded by St. Peter.

Armenian Church, founded by St. Bartholomew.

Native Churches of India, founded by ST. Thomas.


Shall I continue, kathr?

All of these ancient Apostolic Churches, who had NOTHING to do with Rome, teach that the bread and wine become the Body and Blood.

Ancient writers tell us this. Do your own homework.


For those of you following the Pope's Easter, Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/2/18


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Name these ancient churches please. And please prove your findings here. These could not be those who were followers of any of the Apostles....as we clearly see in 1Peter and 2 Peter, that Peter never taught such things, nor did Paul, or John. 1Peter Chapter 2 also never teaches any priestly order who administers this magical moment. As a matter of fact Peter says we are ALL a holy Priesthood, built up a spiritual house unto God. He wasn't talking about some special group , but the whole BOC ...as we are all kings and priests unto God....and Peter is showing the contrast between the OLD priesthood to the NEW, also exposing your hierarchy, as in the BOC there is none.
---kathr4453 on 4/2/18


Transubstantiation (Latin: metousiosis) is, according to the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church, the change of substance or essence by which the bread and wine offered in the sacrifice of the sacrament of the Eucharist during the Mass, become, in reality, the body and blood of Jesus Christ.

The Roman Catholic Church teaches that in the Eucharistic offering bread and wine are changed into the body and blood of Christ. The reaffirmation of this doctrine was expressed, using the word "transubstantiate", by the Fourth Council of the Lateran in 1215. It was later challenged by various 14th century reformersJohn Wycliffe in particular.
---kath453 on 4/2/18


Cluny, this PRETEND priesthood states they themselves become Jesus and stand in His place is anti-Christ. Paul never taught such things, nor did Peter. AND you all PRESUME upon others that the body and blood are both in the wafer....again another FALSE assumption you all made up. That's why your congregation only take the wafer. ALSO, communion has been around since the beginning of the Church....but what YOU ALL have done with it is NOT in scripture.

Maybe before people had Bibles where they could read for themselves, they had nothing to go by but your say so..with all these masses every day....all day long....and I'm sure a monitary offering was collected with it,RCC became VERY RICH off the backs of the ignorant.
---kathr4454 on 4/2/18


\\Those poor ROMAN CATHOLICS who think they are literally eating Jesus i flesh and drinking his literal blood IS PURELY A ROMAN CATHOLIC CULT THINGY. \\

kathr, your words, quoted above, reveal the depth of your understanding of Church history and Christian doctrine.

Did you know that there are ancient churches, separated by doctrine from Roman Catholics, who believe that the Bread and Wine become the Body and Blood of Christ?

This same doctrine is held by Christians whose churches were NEVER in communion with Rome.

Now what?

Christ is risen (foir those of you who follow the Pope's Easter).
---Cluny on 4/1/18


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KATHR. You made very good points with scripture. Thanks.

MONK. you quote 1Cor 11:23-25, but then you limit yourself to purely physical understanding.
Scripture is SPIRITUALLY discerned 1Cor 2:14, hence we should not read it like a natural person would.

BTW, how would one eat, drink unworthily (see verse 29) according to the physical understanding you follow?
---Haz27 on 3/31/18


You believe what you want to believe, kathr. You will anyway.

I'll believe Jesus and the Bible.

Christ is risen! (for those of ,you observing the Pope's Easter)
---Cluny on 3/31/18


Kathr4453 said "Those poor ROMAN CATHOLICS who think they are literally eating Jesus i flesh and drinking his literal blood IS PURELY A ROMAN CATHOLIC CULT THINGY. Only THEY believe such nonsense. It started in ROME and still comes from ROME."

Kathr, why then do the Orthodox, and all of the other parts of the Pre-Reformation Church believe the same thing?

This is NOT some THINGY cooked up by Rome. This is truly what Jesus taught, what the Apostles believed, and what was passed on to Paul and all of the TRUE disciples of Christ since then.

Look what Paul says in 1 Cor 11:23-25.
That is what we have been taught, and that is what we believe.

Is it cannibalism? NO!
---Monk_Brendan on 3/31/18


Cluny, The answer is: I am crucified with Christ, no longer I but Christ IN ME, .......The Gospel according to the MYSTERY is CHRIST IN YOU and the Doctrine of CHRIST IN YOU is not via eatin Jesus, but being crucified with Christ Romans 6-8. In all the verses that show CHRIST IN YOU the Hope of Glory, not one say one thing about Him getting IN YOU by physically eating Jesus. It comes ONLY when one is crucified with Christ, SO THAT you can be raised up TOGETHER WITH HIM. He is IN YOU AFTER your old man is CRUCIFIED with Him. This is the doctrine of the CROSS, that many find foolishness. This is the ONLY WAY anyone can put on IMMORTALITY. 1 Cor 15 says nothing about "putting on" immortality by putting Jesus in your stomach.
---kathr4453 on 3/31/18


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Cluny, THIS is what SPIRITUAL MEANS.

Romans 8

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Ok so Romans 6-8 says NOTHING about spiritual being Jesus physical flesh and blood being in your physical body.
---kathr453 on 3/31/18


How can you possibly get more spiritual than the Body and Blood of Christ in the Eucharist?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/30/18


This is Blasphemy:

The ministerial orders of the Roman Catholic Church (for similar but different rules among Eastern Catholics see Eastern Catholic Church) are those of bishop, presbyter (more commonly called priest in English), and deacon. The ordained priesthood and the common priesthood (or priesthood of all the baptized faithful) are different in function and essence.[1][2] The Catholic Church teaches that when a man participates in priesthood, he participates in the priesthood of Christ Himself. All men who, through the Sacrament of Holy Orders, have become priests participate in Christ's priesthood, they act in persona Christi Capitis, in the person of Christ, the Head of His Body, the Church.[3]
---kathr453 on 3/30/18


Nicole, you may want to read Hebrews, where the priesthood has changed....and the ONLY HIGH PRIEST is Jesus Christ. Now I know your priesthood thingy is a Roman Catholic THINGY TOO, as well as the Mormons...which is a CULT THINGY and an anti-Christ THINGY.

Nicole if you weren't so Judgemental on what others believe, and many DO NOT BELIEVE we need a human priesthood to administer Jesus physical flesh and blood, then maybe people wouldn't have to put you and your condescending comments in their place.

There is no NT PRIESTHOOD Nicole. I don't take CULT TEACHINGS about My Lord and savior lightly. Some find it innocent.. I do not.
---kathr4453 on 3/29/18


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kathr: Jesus IS our spiritual food and drink.//

Correct, in your Church because you do not have a Valid Priesthood.

I believe Jesus at His Word.

I don't have to make up excuses just not to OBEY HIM.
---Nicole_Lacey on 3/29/18


Those poor ROMAN CATHOLICS...IS PURELY A ROMAN CATHOLIC CULT THINGY.
---kathr4453 on 3/29/18

Please stop bashing the people of the Catholic church. I have many friends who are Catholic and I know they are BOC.

Many people believe in the Real Presence during the Eucharist. To name a few, Catholic, Orthodox, Anglican, Lutheran, and Methodist.

I personally do not agree with it. Jesus said "take eat, this is my body" while he was there before them. They had to know he was using a metaphor.

I also believe in the saying of "in essentials unity, in non-essentials liberty, and in all things charity". Real presence is a non-essential.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/29/18


Jesus IS our spiritual food and drink. Jesus said MY WORDS are SPIRIT AND LIFE. TASTE and see that the Lord is Good, does not mean canibalism. DRINKING the pure MILK OF THE WORD is not canibalism.

Those poor ROMAN CATHOLICS who think they are literally eating Jesus i flesh and drinking his literal blood IS PURELY A ROMAN CATHOLIC CULT THINGY. Only THEY believe such nonsense. It started in ROME and still comes from ROME.

The RCC do not understand SPIRITUAL THINGS OR SPIRITUAL WORDS OR THE THINGS OF THE SPIRIT.
---kathr4453 on 3/29/18


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