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In year 300, the Roman Empire was threatened by Christian ideology and created the Roman Catholic Church - thereby re-interpreting the Bible so it conform to Roman-style Christianity.

The Chinese government is doing the same thing so it conform to Chinese-style Christianity.

Your thoughts?

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---Nicole_Lacey on 4/22/18


I'm a human being and not God. As such, I make a mistake once in a while.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/21/18

Yes, and if you want others to be gracious to you, you need to be gracious to others. You can't rail on others spelling, ( not just me) and then play the poor little misunderstood and picked on person. So, stop bullying others Monk, and then playing the victim when called out. Mature Grown men just don't act that way.

I think because Trump has set such a horrible example of bullying, even women, that many think it's acceptable behavior.
---kathr4453 on 4/21/18


As I said in my last post, some are privilege on CN and others are monitored.

But the ones who are allowed to say whatever and however they wish better remember Matthew 12:36
---Nicole_Lacey on 4/21/18


Interestingly, Monks vile and nasty reply to the Moderator was posted. And his vile and nasty words and false accusations of the very moderators themselves did not keep his vile and nasty reply from being viewed by all.

So my guess is it had to be even more vile and nastier than the one posted. Or maybe Monk used a word that simply is inappropriate for these blogs, OR maybe Monk posted something that did not relate to this specific blog question, and like Nicole, just busts in both guns loaded and goes on a tangent. Maybe they are putting a stop to such posts. I hope so. I hate it when someone disrupts a thread because another one is closed. It's rude, selfish, and inappropriate.
---kathr4453 on 4/21/18




Kathr4453 said, "Maybe you don't misspelled words, however using the WRONG word is just as horrible. Please proof read before posting Brendan. Demanding of others what you fail to do yourself is defined as a hypocrite."

You know, don't you, that I am a human being and not God. As such, I make a mistake once in a while.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/21/18


kathr445:

I have seen how moderations works on many other discussion forums that I read and post to regularly. On the vast majority of them, moderators actively monitor the content and play an active role in curtailing inappopriate discussions such as insults and personal attacks. Here, that does not appear to be the case. I can't recall a moderator ever stepping into a discussion here and telling anyone that their messages are bordering on inappropriate, and to play nice. Whether it's because they are overworked, or because they just don't care, the moderators aren't telling us. (I can't imagine that monitoring the blogs is that much work, because the number of daily postings across all blogs isn't that high.)
---StrongAxe on 4/21/18


Monk, some of the Moderators are bias (not all) as not all are Cowards. Because to my surprise some have released my posts.

As I have told StrongAxe I know that every other weekend one Moderator will not release any hard negative response to him.

StrongAxe doesn't know the Moderator, but that Moderator seems to protect him anyway.

Many Moderator (if not all) have some odd respect for Kathr and so ALLOW her to say the most nastiest, vile personal attacks against anyone and everyone.

That's life.

As a Catholic you know we have to deal with the most (2nd to Jews) religious discrimination in the world.

SADLY, those discriminations comes from OTHER Christians.
---Nicole_Lacey on 4/21/18


Strongaxe, it's also possible that Monks response was NOT "better than".....but only in his own mind. Maybe it was more down and dirty...if he feels he was responding to a down and dirty attack. Monk does get rather personally nasty. You don't. Just his over the top down and dirty attack on the moderators without any PROOF...is unacceptable.

He condemned the Moderators without any proof of intentional wrongdoing. That's as bad as it gets. It doesn't need defending.
---kathr445 on 4/21/18


Anonymous:

Monk_Brendan appears to have a legitimate complaint, one I have also heard from others - one person posts messages attacking another, but legitimate replies get blocked. I have occasionally had posts "automagically" disappear for no reason, but it doesn't happen to me often enough to suspect any kind of systematic bias, at least in my case. Inadvertent use of some forbidden words might trigger the filters, but there's no way to find out, since there's no published list of forbidden words.

The moderation on this site is not transparent - there's no mechanism to directly contact or communicate with moderators. They may occasionally comment, but do so rarely, even if they are addressed by name.
---StrongAxe on 4/21/18




but if I say anything that makes any sense that nullifies what that member has written, especially if my logic and argument are better that the other person, you just remove my post entirely!

Brendan, the correct word is: than.

Maybe you don't misspelled words, however using the WRONG word is just as horrible. Please proof read before posting Brendan. Demanding of others what you fail to do yourself is defined as a hypocrite.
---kathr4453 on 4/21/18


All of the above is Christ-like, and spell checked
---Monk_Brendan on 4/20/18

Now that's funny! Well we know misspelled words don't block posts. But if you call this last post Christ-Like that did make it through, I can't even begin to imagine how unchristlike your blocked post must have been in comparison.

There are other possibilities, as others have had posts not show up. It could be an IT issue or maybe old age thought "preview" was the final send off. There are all sorts of reasons every one here has had posts not come through, or something we were discussing see the whole thread closed and blocked.

Your post here is a horrible example of 1 Corinthians 13.

Clang bang dong ...
---Anonymous on 4/20/18


TO THE MODERATORS:

COWARDS! Cowards you are and cowards you remain. You allow one member to crucify and vilify me, but if I say anything that makes any sense that nullifies what that member has written, especially if my logic and argument are better that the other person, you just remove my post entirely!

Frauds and perpetrators! Worse that the Pharisees that Jesus preached against!

All of the above is Christ-like, and spell checked
---Monk_Brendan on 4/20/18


Monk Brendan said, "John, forgive me, but in the year 65, None of the NT had been written yet,"

Sir, respectfully your in error according to Biblical Scholarship Sby AD 68 or less the NT was complete...

The oldest NT Manuscripts found do not support AD 70 as when the NT was written.
---john9346 on 4/19/18


Early Christians read Scripture Privately:

"Take, then, their [Christians] writings, and read therein, and lo, you will find that I have not put forth these things on my own authority, nor spoken thus as their advocate, but since I read in their writings I was fully assured of these things as also of things which are to come.[3]" Justin Martyr about (AD 100)
---john9346 on 4/19/18


Early Christians read Scripture privately:


"A sound mind, and one which does not expose its possessor to danger, and is devoted to piety and the love of truth, will eagerly meditate upon those things which God has placed within the power of mankind, and has subjected to our knowledge, and will make advancement in them, rendering the knowledge of them easy to him by means of daily study. These things are such as fall plainly under our observation, and are clearly and unambiguously in express terms set forth in the Sacred Scriptures.[" Irenaeus about (AD 120)
---john9346 on 4/19/18


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Early Christians read Scripture privately:

"We may easily see, if we now consider the scope of that faith which we Christians hold, and using it as a rule, apply ourselves, as the Apostle teaches to the reading of inspired Scripture." Athanasius (Fourth-century)
---john9346 on 4/19/18


\\"Sir, I was speaking about AD 60 to about AD 200. Christians during these time would share coppies of Scriptures with each other there \\

FWIW, remember that before the invention of the printing press, all books had to be hand copied.

Today, a hand-written Torah scroll, required in Jewish worship, costs about $30,000,

The probability of people 2000 years ago having their own copies of parts of the Bible is nil.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/19/18


John 9346 said, "Sir, I was speaking about AD 60 to about AD 200. Christians during these time would share coppies of Scriptures with each other there certainly wasn't just one person who had them. Most of the church during these times were in hiding and when they were caught some of them would give the Roman Soldiers coppies of the Scriptures to try and save their lives. The Roman Soldiers knew the Christian Scriptures and it wasn't just bishops and deacons that were persecuted."

John, forgive me, but in the year 65, None of the NT had been written yet, so your idea of Christians giving Romans Christian Scriptures (all contained in the NT) is a fallacy

BTW, the word is spelled copies, just one P
---Monk_Brendan on 4/19/18


And to use the word "SLAYED".....is also disturbing .

And here John goes on and on, totally over his head Or since Calvinism was also violent.....you thought Cluny's comment was fact?



slay, slaying
kill (a person or animal) in a violent way.
synonyms: kill, murder, put to death, butcher, cut down, cut to pieces, slaughter, massacre, shoot down, gun down, mow down.

NORTH AMERICAN
murder (someone) (used chiefly in journalism).
synonyms: kill, murder, butcher, cut down, cut to pieces, slaughter, massacre, shoot down, gun down, mow down.
---kathr4453 on 4/19/18


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john9346:

When did I ever use the word "forbid"? I didn't interpretation was forbidden. I said it was IMPERFECT. What I did say was that we are fallible humans using imperfect techniques to interpret scripture, which means that different people can arrive at different interpretations of the same scripture, and we have no OBJECTIVE way to determine which of the two (or many) interpretations are correct. God coming down from heaven and saying, "THIS is what I REALLY meant" would do it, but he seems disinclined to do that.
---StrongAxe on 4/19/18


Executing someone for breaking a law is not murder. If I killed someone to save another person who that first person was trying to murder. That would not be murder. That would be stopping them from murdering someone.

David only murdered one man.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/19/18


Strongaxe:

Interpretation is the process by which communication/information is received, understood, and applied by the senses. Not sure how this process is to be forbidden from your position when it comes to The Scriptures??
---john9346 on 4/19/18


john9346:

No. I said Human INTERPRETATION of scripture is human in origin. Why do you keep twisting my words to say what they don't mean? If you use that same attitude when interpreting other things (like scripture), it just proves my point about how different people could interpret the same scriptures in vastly different ways!


Cluny:

Seriously? First, it was about Ananias and Sapphire lying (bad), not withholding (which Peter said would have been fine). Second, Peter didn't do it, God did. Third, does that mean Peter and God are guilty of murder and conspiracy to commit murder?! How about the Flood and all the babies that must have been killed during it? Was that murder too?
---StrongAxe on 4/19/18


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]]But primitive Christianity NEVER murdered anyone for any reason."]]

How about Peter slaying Ananias and Saphira for holding back on their pledge to the Apostles?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/19/18


Seriously Cluny? You believe Peter SLAYED Saphira and Ananias? With what???? A steak knife? Peter just asked them a question, and no verse states Peter himself killed them? I've never heard the Orthodox version.....so is that where you all twisted scripture to vindicate all your murders? WOW...talk about EVIL TO THE CORE.

Acts 5:5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down and died and a great fear came on all of them that heard these things.

Cluny can't read either....
---kathr4453 on 4/19/18


Here is what is horrifying about Cluny's last comment on Acts 5. He accuses Peter of being a murderer. He's made Peter Judge jury and executioner singlehandedly. No even in the OT was such a thing done. Even when Jesus was accused, why didn't one of the Pharisees just knife Jesus? Even Moses set up judges to hear cases. The Priests or High Priests NEVER were instructed to singlehandedly murder anyone...even if sin was involved.

Even your twist on the Priesthood is sick. It's well known horrible crimes of murder did and maybe today does take place behind the scenes of your CULT WALLS.....it's MURDER..EVIL...

You know, Cluny's comment is disturbing on so many levels.
---kathr4454 on 4/19/18


Cluny GOD slew them not Peter. You have to change the Bible to get your view.

Which kinda proves this posters point. But not really. I don't believe the Roman leaders set out to take over Christianity. I believe it just happened as they adopted Christian beliefs and merged then with Roman understanding.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/19/18


cluny said, "My point is how primitive do you want your Christian practice to be."

As Primitive as the Lord Jesus Christ said its supposed to be right??

After all, isn't this why you are Eastern Orthodox right??
---john9346 on 4/19/18


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Monk Brendan said, "Neither did the peasants in 415 A.D."

Sir, I was speaking about AD 60 to about AD 200. Christians during these time would share coppies of Scriptures with each other there certainly wasn't just one person who had them. Most of the church during these times were in hiding and when they were caught some of them would give the Roman Soldiers coppies of the Scriptures to try and save their lives. The Roman Soldiers knew the Christian Scriptures and it wasn't just bishops and deacons that were persecuted.
---john9346 on 4/19/18


strongaxe said, "Thus, it requires interpretation, and without God's direct unambiguous intervention,"

Strongaxe, so you don't believe The Scriptures are, "Divine-in-origin." Seems your saying The Scriptures are, "Human-in-origin."

Can you clarify your position??

To be specific , I'm asking about The Nature of Scripture.
---john9346 on 4/19/18


\\Brenda, here's the problem with you and Nicole. Possibly one in the same person?????\\

kathr, just who are you calling "Brenda"?

If you mean Monk Brendan, are you being deliberately insulting by addressing him with a feminine name?

Or maybe you think you're being witty? You might be half right.

Monk Brendan lives in Phoenix, and is personally known to both StrongAxe and me. Nicole Lacey lives in Birmingham, if I am not mistaken.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/19/18


]]But primitive Christianity NEVER murdered anyone for any reason."]]

How about Peter slaying Ananias and Saphira for holding back on their pledge to the Apostles?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/19/18


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Brenda, here's the problem with you and Nicole. Possibly one in the same person?????

I quote scripture, and you both create some sort of reason ( out of your own understanding) why Paul or Luke lied in Acts. Nicole did the same thing, when I quoted scripture that one day the Church ..that is US will One day judge the world and the Angels. Then she goes off with a tangent, coming up with all sorts of reasons why Paul lied, just because she didn't get it, believe it or understand it.

So Brenda, if you have issues with the Bereans searching the scriptures daily...which would be the OT, argue your issues with the Lord, and both of you stop creating a false scenario and then arguing with me. I'm not the author of scripture..
---kathr4454 on 4/18/18


Another thing Brenda, you were not there in Berea when the Bereans searched the scriptures DAILY to see if what Paul was preaching was true. So how do you know what was and wasn't ......are you GOD? A psychic....with your witchcraft and crystal ball you have looked back in history summoning the dead?

Your argument here is a infantile as it can get.

One thing the verse does NOT say is ..." And the Bereans went to the temple or Barney's home church and asked the self appointed POPE to interpret scripture." But you coming from a religion where you had to do that..is why only YOU can't understand the simplicity of it all.
---kathr4454 on 4/18/18


\\But Extra biblical! like, pergetory , Marionology,\\

kathr, please note carefully the following:

1. The word is spelled PURGATORY.

2. There is no such word as "Marionology". I have no idea what you mean by this. Do you? If so, please explain.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/18/18


Those who believe in Sola S still use their own interpretation of what they think a verse or word mean. Take whosoever will....and the creative way it is non-biblically interpreted. Calvin's interpretation of a nonbiblical infant baptism proving WHAT? Calvin believed his salvation was because of his infant baptism. So the Sola S is even up for grabs. However the assistance of the Holy Spirit who reveals the truth to ONLY those IN CHRIST is where my money is at. So that argument just bit the dust.

But Extra biblical! like, pergetory , Marionology, self mutilation, flogging ones self, wearing sack cloth, walking on broken glass or hot coals, wearing silly robes and crowns, kissing statutes , .....that's another issue altogether.
---kathr4454 on 4/18/18


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Kathr4453 said, "So the common people did have access to scriptures and searched it out THEMSELVES."

First of all, the Bereans did not have a full Bible, because the NT had not been written and codified, yet.

Second, unless the community of the Bereans included a lot of rich people, willing to pass out OT's to anyone, they did not have even an Old Testament to themselves. Remember, the Printing press was not invented until the 15th Century.

Do you know how much a Hand Printed OT would cost in the times of the Bereans? $50,000-75,000 per each using today's cost.

A full sized, hardbound, copy of the Bible was done in 1998-2009, all handwritten cost about $100,000 in today's money.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/18/18


Kathr4453 said, "But if that is the primitive thing John is talking about before the RCC took away the scriptures from the Bereans and everyone else. BRAVO. I agree with that. But primitive Christianity NEVER murdered anyone for any reason."

Want to make a small bet on that?

Kathr, you seem to have all of this extra-biblical knowledge about the Bereans, and other "primitive" Christians. So, exactly what decree was used, which pope issued it, and when did it go into effect, to take all of the Bibles out of the hands of the faithful?
---Monk_Brendan on 4/18/18


john9346:

Even if you go by Sola Scriptura, scripture is a collection of many different books in many different styles by many different authors with many different perspcetives, and written for many different purposes. It is not one single cohesive law book written with mathematical precision. Thus, it requires interpretation, and without God's direct unambiguous intervention, that interpretation is necessarily done by fallible humans, many of whom interpret the same scriptures in different ways. This is why we have so many denominations, and much disagreement between them. God could stop all this squabbling and the grief (and even much death) that it causes, but he apparently chooses not to do so, leaving us to our own devices.
---StrongAxe on 4/18/18


John 9346 said, "This would actually represents a departure from Primitive Christianity. In addition, there was a period of time of who held the Scriptures based on position, but this was a development not Normative Practice."

John my dear friend, hand written bibles cost $50,000 to 75,000 each, using today's money? How many Christians could AFFORD such a thing?. I can't. Our whole monastery can't. How are we to be able to use such a Bible if we can't afford it.

Neither did the peasants in 415 A.D.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/18/18


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\\cluny said, "john, you say you want to go back to primitive practices."

And you don't??

Is not this your argument that The Eastern Orthodox Church Is The Primitive Church.\\

My point is how primitive do you want your Christian practice to be.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/18/18


cluny said, "john, you say you want to go back to primitive practices."

And you don't??

Is not this your argument that The Eastern Orthodox Church Is The Primitive Church.
---john9346 on 4/18/18


cluny said, "If you really meant you wanted primitive Christian practice, you would put your Bible on the shelf and never look at it again. Individual Christians did NOT have their own copies of scriptures. Instead, the local church's copies would be in the care of the Deacons and Lectors."

This would actually represents a departure from Primitive Christianity. In addition, there was a period of time of who held the Scriptures based on position, but this was a development not Normative Practice.
---john9346 on 4/18/18


cluny said, "Do you want to get that primitive, john?"

Whatever My Lord My God My Saviour sees fit for me that may it come so he will be glorified...

My life is not my own but his to be praised forevermore... amen...

Good Question Cluny
---john9346 on 4/18/18


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"I bless you for granting me this day and hour, that I may be numbered among the martyrs, to share in the cup of your Anointed and to rise again to everlasting life, both in body and in soul, in the immortality of the Holy Spirit. May I be received among them this day in your presence, a sacrifice rich and acceptable," Polycarp
---john9346 on 4/18/18


Cluny, all those things you have listed are happening around the world today....not by other so called Christians, but by those who hate Christians and Christianity.
---kathr4453 on 4/18/18


Other parts of primitive Christianity are persecution, imprisonment, crucifixion, and becoming lion chow.

Do you want to get that primitive, john?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/18/18


strongaxe said, "What objective way do we have to know which was right?"

First, excellent question my friend...

O, now you are beginning to get what I have been saying to you. Do you recall our dialogs on Sola Scriptura and canon.

Sir, this is why Sola Scritura is paramount and you just perfectly illustrated it by asking this question.

The Scriptures alone are the Objective Revelation not a church see 1 Tim 3:15 for the church role..
---john9346 on 4/18/18


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Well we do see the Bereans searched the scriptures daily to see if what Paul was preaching was true. A Bereans is not another name for Deacon, priest, proctor or whatever, but a citizen of Berea. An every day citizen of Berea.

So the common people did have access to scriptures and searched it out THEMSELVES. NO WHERE DOES IT SAY, The Bereans went to the priest, deacons or proctors in charge of the scriptures and asked THEM what scripture said.

But if that is the primitive thing John is talking about before the RCC took away the scriptures from the Bereans and everyone else. BRAVO. I agree with that. But primitive Christianity NEVER murdered anyone for any reason.
---kathr4453 on 4/18/18


john9346:

You've used the non-existent word "duvious" three times. I presume you mean "dubious". What was dubious about the Reformation was that it was actually necessary for one group of people who called themselves Christians to actively break away from another group of people who also called themselves Christians. Regardless of which side one thinks is right (Protestants and Catholics disagree on this), it means there was one side that was wrong, and that God was allowing that side to deceive many people in his name. In such times, people on both sides of the argument have called each other heretics. What objective way do we have to know which was right? God could, but he didn't choose to intervene.
---StrongAxe on 4/18/18


john, you say you want to go back to primitive practices.

Just what do you think the "primitive Christians" did? Brought their Bibles to Church and sat around talking about what a great guy Jesus was?

If you really meant you wanted primitive Christian practice, you would put your Bible on the shelf and never look at it again. Individual Christians did NOT have their own copies of scriptures. Instead, the local church's copies would be in the care of the Deacons and Lectors.

But I'll bet you're not interested in being THAT primitive, are you?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/18/18


heretics accountable for their heresy?? Its like a doctor not treating Cancer Cells before they spread in the body. Cancer kills and so much more does heresy and to not root out heresy is neglegence...
---john9346 on 4/17/18


Where in all the NT does Peter or Paul or James or John tell believers to shove a tube into someone and force chemo in them? We are to REBUKE, AND EXPOSE AND stay away from , not force poison in them. The Church IS NOT ISRAEL, A THEOCRACY.

But we have false teachers even here where we are told to LOVE the false teachers and heretics. And called all sorts of names when we EXPOSE and denounce the heresy. But the very heretics here have problems with that too.
---kathr4453 on 4/18/18


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Now DUBIOUS is an altogether different word with a real definition.


Brendan is not as quick on his feet here with the guys. So what were you whining about Brendan?

I'm going to have to drop the MONK title...as it is an insult to all Monks everywhere.
---kathr4454 on 4/18/18


What I find interesting about John's comment is it's ODD coming from a Calvinist. THEY CLAIM they are the ONLY ones who can see and know TRUTH , the ONLY saved...yet they think God wants to use them as well to PUNISH the non-elect. Certainly the chemo forced on heretics isn't to HEAL them, save them, make them see the light...is it, contradicting everything Calvinism believes. But Calvin did the same thing to his supposed ELECT and nonelect. FORCE His beliefs on others claiming HE ALONE is the Church.

Here's the problem....who has the right to claim THEY ARE THE ONLY CORRECT CHURCH?

Do people actually think through their answers first?
---kathr453 on 4/18/18


strongaxe,

Once again I ask , "What's duvious about the church returning to its Primitive Doctrines and Practices??"

Why shouldn't the church return back to what defined it in the beginning??

Why should the church just believe whatever anybody decides to come up with out of their head??

Why should the church not hold heretics accountable for their heresy?? Its like a doctor not treating Cancer Cells before they spread in the body. Cancer kills and so much more does heresy and to not root out heresy is neglegence...
---john9346 on 4/17/18


strongaxe said, "This is my whole point! God has allowed infections to infect the church, and he does not intervene directly to fix them,"

So your position is that the Lord Jesus is a liar because the Lord Jesus himself said, "I will build My church, and the gates of Hades will not overpower it."

Strongaxe, has the gates of hell defeated the church sir???
---john9346 on 4/17/18


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Monk, good point!

Reminds me of that song "They will know we are Christians by our Love."

The same is true with the lack of love.
---Nicole_Lacey on 4/17/18


Kathr4453 said, "Why should anyone take anything you say seriously? You don't represent Gods heart who has no respect of persons. You're a thin skinned catty person who can't defend your faith, but go the lower road instead by attacking women. What a loser."

So in the past few days, you have accused me of being a liar, a loser, a hypocrite, an attacker of women, thin skinned and catty. Is this how you would like other Christians to speak to you?
---Monk_Brendan on 4/17/18


Also remember, God wanted the wheat to grow up with the tares for His own purpose. BUT! During the 1000 year reign, when Jesus is King of Kings on earth will be ruling with a rod of Iron during the Earthly Kingdom reign, and there will be instant Justice. But that's for that dispensation not for now. This is the dispensation of personal accountability ...whosoever will, called the dispensation of GRACE. And when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, THEN God will turn to the Nation of Israel to fulfill His promises to the NATION, as He promised. Romans 11.
---kathr4453 on 4/17/18


\\What's duvious about the church returning to its Primitive Doctrines and Practices..\\

Which Orthodoxy never left.

Would you want to have primitive abdominal surgery practiced on you?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/17/18


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The RCC AND REFORMED thought Christianity was a Theocracy they needed to enforce. Heathans had nothing to do with enforcing heretics....it was all religion. It comes from the heresy of thinking they now became the new Israel on earth enforcing their own brand of theocracy, or dominion theology...all straight from HELL.

We are in the world but not of the world, crucified to this world and world system.

Even when the Calvinist's came to America, they again tried this theocracy and we had the Salem witch hunts , neighbor's reporting neighbor's who had Christmas trees the puritans made illegal in Massachutes.

God NEVER EVER for a moment established this kind of Christianity.
This is all man made legalized religion.
---kathr4453 on 4/17/18


john9346:

This is my whole point! God has allowed infections to infect the church, and he does not intervene directly to fix them, but rather leaves the Church to its own devices to deal with them, and if any innocents get killed as a result of the collateral damage (e.g. Native Americans murdered by Spaniards greedy to rape and pillage the New World for gold in the name of the Church or by Americans shouting "Manifest Destiny", heretics burned at the stake, Irish children killed by IRA bombs, etc.) it's just too bad for them.
---StrongAxe on 4/17/18


strongaxe said, "Christians excommunicating each other, calling each other heretics, burning each other at the stake just for how or what they believed, etc."

Strongaxe, from The Reform Perspective certain things that individuals taught was "Straight-up Heresy." my friend... and heresy and heretics must be dealt with like infection if not treated in the body will kill you???

Burning those at the stake was a mixture of church and state (Sacralism) Those that burned heretics at the stake did so because of their culture (sacralism) not because of Christianity. It was like our Death Penalty today.
---john9346 on 4/17/18


strongaxe:

The Fundamental Question to you again,

What's duvious about the church returning to its Primitive Doctrines and Practices... Those doctrines and practices taught by the Lord Jesus and his apostles...

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---john9346 on 4/17/18


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john9346:

You wrote: Not sure how the "Reformation." was a "Duvious Period."

Christians excommunicating each other, calling each other heretics, burning each other at the stake just for how or what they believed, etc. There were shameful acts done by all sides.


Monk_Brendan:

One example alone (e.g. the Inquisition) would prove my point that God allows horrible things to be done in his name without interference. However, when the state punishes people for committing religious crimes like heresy, where do you think they got the idea to do that? Certainly not from secularists.
---StrongAxe on 4/17/18


Steveng, Rome that was crumbling with all its mythology praying to other gods, even it's pre-Mary, virgin worship, is what Roman CC today is, a reincarnation of the old Roman Empire IN DRAG. It's just a repackaging of itself, in Christianity , or their version. DIana became Mary, all the Gods and Godesses became the statutes of saints...the both even had what is called THE BULL, which I find hysterical. Replaced their Roman robes and crowns with NON CHRISTIAN robes and crowns. It's a counterfeit Christianity that is the Old Roman Empire. They made up all this gunk too to get their riches and power back, preying upon the poor ignorant who they took away the scriptures from so that they could run the scam for centuries.
---kathr4453 on 4/17/18


John, Calvin murdering other Protestants who believed in believers baptism vs Catholic baby infant Baptism is not going back to the original primitive Christianity. It's continuing on with many of the RCC practices not in scripture.

Reformed theology is only reformed Catholicism . Christianity never needed reforming.

Steveng, I can see how the Chinese government sees how organized religion appeals to so many. It's true Christianity that appeals to so few..always has.
---kath4453 on 4/17/18


Monk, are you going to pounce and tackle that misspelled word of John's? Seems like our John here is a poor speller too, however what really stands out even louder than the misspelling is your HYPOCRICY, in attacking only certain people who can't spell.

Why should anyone take anything you say seriously? You don't represent Gods heart who has no respect of persons. You're a thin skinned catty person who can't defend your faith, but go the lower road instead by attacking women. What a loser.
---kat445 on 4/17/18


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strongaxe said, "Christianity has existed for almost 2000 years, yet much of that time included such dubious periods."

Not sure how the "Reformation." was a "Duvious Period."

After all, what's duvious about the church returning to its Primitive Doctrines and Practices... Those doctrines and practices taught by the Lord Jesus and his apostles...
---john9346 on 4/16/18


StrongAxe said, "If we look at how God has dealt with humanity throughout history, he usually lets men go wherever they want, rarely interfering directly. Christianity has existed for almost 2000 years, yet much of that time included such dubious periods as the Dark Ages, the Inquisition, Salem Witch Trials, burning heretics at the stake, the Reformation, Indulgences, etc., not to mention Jonestown, Waco, etc., all perpetrated by people who claimed to be Christians, and God let them all do it without interference."

Outside of the Inquisition and the way Protestants misuse the idea of indulgences, and the Dark Ages, everything that you have spoken about has happened under the purview of the STATE or the Protestants.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/16/18


Steveng, always you made make up history to fix your Christian imagination.

The Catholic is so strong in China that the Chinese Gov has made up a copy cat church to trick their citizens to leave the true Catholic Church to join their fake church.
---Nicole_Lacey on 4/16/18


Monk_Brendan:

You wrote: What about the power of God? Do you think that God is going to allow the Christian faith to fall into suspended animation for 1200 years?

If we look at how God has dealt with humanity throughout history, he usually lets men go wherever they want, rarely interfering directly. Christianity has existed for almost 2000 years, yet much of that time included such dubious periods as the Dark Ages, the Inquisition, Salem Witch Trials, burning heretics at the stake, the Reformation, Indulgences, etc., not to mention Jonestown, Waco, etc., all perpetrated by people who claimed to be Christians, and God let them all do it without interference.

Can God intervene? Yes. But does he? Rarely.
---StrongAxe on 4/15/18


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StevenG, where do you get your ideas from? Rome fell and failed, along with that insipid notion that the Roman Emperors took over the Church, bent the faith around to serve them, and sent it out to the world to keep the world from Christ?

What about the power of God? Do you think that God is going to allow the Christian faith to fall into suspended animation for 1200 years?

Some people's kids never learn to speak the truth in love.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/14/18


Steveng, Christianity did not become a legal religion in the Roman Empire until 312.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/14/18


Your first paragraph is totally wrong, Steveng.

Where do you get your church history? From Jack Chick comics?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/14/18


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