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Did Paul Forgive Sins

If Paul can write, To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ, then how can you say that God did not give anyone the ability to forgive sins, which means that confession is not a sacrament?

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Cluny: Actually, Roman Catholic is entirely correct to distinguish them from Melkite Catholics, Maronite Catholics, Chaldean Catholics,//

You are wrong.

They are ALL Catholics and NONE from Rome.

BTW, you are still writing it wrong. They are Rites.

Catholics in practicing the Melkite Rite, Maronite Rite or Chaldean Rite.

I practice the Latin Rite which you wrongly think it is the Roman Catholic.

We are not like the Orthodox. We are under one Vicar. Catholic Church under Pope Francis.

Just like people living in Alabama, Mississippi and South Dakota are all part of the United States. Americans. One Citizenship. The 50 States have different ways of governing, but we are all under President Trump.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/6/18


\\There are no Orthodox Priests at Oral Roberts University. ORU is Protestant, not Orthodox. \\

I never said there were any there now, now did I?

I said this was several decades ago.

john, it's PROTESTANTS that teach revisionist church history.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/6/18


\\I just found out who started calling Catholics 'Roman' Catholics.

It was John Calvin and his followers.\\

Actually, Roman Catholic is entirely correct to distinguish them from Melkite Catholics, Maronite Catholics, Chaldean Catholics, and the other sui juris Catholic churches.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/6/18


Sorry John, I didn't see you question earlier.

No Christ isn't divided.

Why would you ask that question after I asked why Protestants use Paul's words against Jesus' Words.

Paul isn't God.

I just found out who started calling Catholics 'Roman' Catholics.

It was John Calvin and his followers.

Also does it make any sense to study Baptist's Theology from the congregation instead of the Pastor?

So why would any expect to learn the Catholic Faith from an ex-Catholic instead from the CCC?
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/6/18


I studied Church history, especially by Socrates (not the philosopher), Sozomen, and Eusebius for years, as well as other Orthodox histeorians.

\\Roman Catholic as well as others are not, "Christians." all one has to do is make a conparison according to Scripture.\\

I compared Protestant teaching with Scripture, and found it didn
t fit. Only Orthodoxy fits it.

\\I really must ask what protestants believe and teach Sabellianism or Arianism as you claim lol???:-)\\

I've heard both Arianism and Nestorianism preached from Baptist pulpits. The Oneness Pentecostals, andas "Apostolic" Protestants, teach Sabellianism.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/5/18




Cluny:

How many years in college did you study Church History sir? What was the name of the college since there is Revissionist Church History that I have read from you and strongaxe.

Roman Catholic as well as others are not, "Christians." all one has to do is make a conparison according to Scripture.

I really must ask what protestants believe and teach Sabellianism or Arianism as you claim lol???:-)
---john9346 on 5/5/18


I began studying church history after becoming a Christians. I read books on both side by Professors of Church history.

There was even a Special on the History of the Pope which showed a lot of facts.

But reading the Bible showed me that the Bible is our Final Authority not men. Like the Bereans we need to go to the Bible. From my study the Orthodox are more honest. But I must follow Jesus and what he said.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/3/18


\\Did you know John Calvin met with Servetus and didn't advocate for his death.
\\

* W * R * O * N * G *

Look it up.

I began studying Church History in college while still a Baptist. It was my own study that made me realize that Baptist doctrines are not taught in the Bible, and that led me to Orthodoxy.

And contrary to what you said later to me, Roman Catholics ARE Christians, if defective ones. But many Protestant groups hold doctrines condemned by earlier councils (such as Sabellianism or Arianism).

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/3/18


Monk Brendan and Cluny,

Its actually useless for you both to point the finger at who killed who because during this time whether you were Christian or a Roman Catholic. Both groups believed and held sacralism to heart.
---john9346 on 5/2/18


Cluny:

Sir, just because the City Council embraced Luther's Teachings taught by Calvin doesn't by classification Define make one at this time a Calvinists.

Calvinism as defined came later...Did you know John Calvin met with Servetus and didn't advocate for his death.

Curious sir, how long have you been studying church history??

I ask because there are many discrepancies on many topics of Church History when ever i dialog with you...
---john9346 on 5/2/18




A few decades ago, an Orthodox deacon was hired to teach Church history at Oral Roberts University. And that's what he did. He taught Church history--ALL of it.

Result: so many of his students converted to Orthodox, several becoming priests, that he was fired.

---Cluny on 4/30/18

Yes you did Cluny. Here it is. There are no Orthodox Priests at Oral Roberts University. ORU is Protestant, not Orthodox.

Same happened at Baylor University. A Mormon Professor taught there. Jerry Fakwell Liberty University had many false teachers come there....Benny Hinn, Paula White...STRANGE. And because of that MANY students left.
---kathr4453 on 5/3/18


So you know WHAT that proves Cluny, RELIGION and self righteousness appeals only to the FLESH, regardless of what sect or denomination one belongs to IF that's what your betting your soul on. HOWEVER, The WORD OF GOD ALONE appeals only to the Spirit within us and THAT alone breaks through barriers.

So your and Brendan's juvenile posts here that my denomination is better than yours, and we have more recruits than you and bal bla bla, sounds like your canvassing for a College Fraternity ....oh we're the Bla Bla Bla. IT DOES NOT PROVE A THING. GOD IS NOT IMPRESSED. HE DOES NOT CARE. GOT THAT.
---kath4453 on 5/3/18


\\Like I said again Brendan, not everyone believes in your doctrine. \\

kathr, not everyone here believes in YOUR doctrine, either.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/2/18


\\Cluny, people leaving Oral Roberts to become Orthodox priests doesn't PROVE anything. \\

Did I sa,y they left ORU? No, I did not.

But to be consistent, you would have to admit that people leaving Roman Catholicism and Orthodoxy to become Protestants doesn't prove anything, either.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/2/18


Monk, anyone can forgive anyone who has hurt you in some way. That is between you and the other person. But sins against God only God can forgive them. And we all sin, but as brothers and sisters in Christ we can now go to the Father through Jesus Christ who is our Mediator. Before we came to Christ the Father would not even listen to our prayers.
---Luke on 5/1/18

Like I said again Brendan, not everyone believes in your doctrine. Many here don't agree with you. So confound them...unless you just like beating up women, because the men online here intimidate you. Sounds like your issues are more personal than doctrinal. WEAK.
---kathr4453 on 5/2/18


Alignment with scriptural teaching, not apostolic succession, is the determining factor of the trueness of a church. What is mentioned in Scripture is the idea that the Word of God was to be the guide that the church was to follow (Acts 20:32). It is Scripture that was to be the infallible measuring stick for teaching and practice (2 Timothy 3:16-17). It is the Scriptures that teachings are to be compared with (Acts 17:10-12). Apostolic authority was passed on through the writings of the apostles, not through apostolic succession.

I agree 100% with the above statement.
---kath4453 on 5/2/18


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Brendan, you are too funny. You can't confound me. Ha ha. But how juvenile an approach.

Cluny, people leaving Oral Roberts to become Orthodox priests doesn't PROVE anything. Like I said before, salvation and Gods Spiritual Gifts are given to those who belong to Jesus not those who claim some succession of rite by being related or some baton personally passed down from man to man from the Apostles. God chooses, not man. God calls, not man. God Gifts, not man...and he chooses the weak, base etc, to bring to nothing those who think they are more important in Ministry than others. So all this man wisdom means nothing to God.

So I do know, and will back up with Scripture what God says. Read 1 and 2 Corinthians.
---kathr4453 on 5/2/18


Thank y ou for finally answering my question ,kathr.

\\
Cluny, I get my history from X Catholics, including my brother in law. \\

Of course, such people would NEVER have an axe to grind against the Catholic Church, would they?

Now, what this has to do with Orthodoxy, I don't get.

And I knok people who left YOUR flavor of Christianity for Orthodoxy. I gave a big example, but apparently it meant nothing to you.

What do you actually know about the Orthodox Church, kathr, and where did you get your information?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/2/18


Kathr4453 said, Brendan, I won't agree to your terms. I will challenge anyone with scripture."

Well then, I will continue to confront you, using Scripture and the Ancient Fathers, plus a lot of Church History, to confound you, and to prove to all that what you are spouting is mostly nonsense.

And yes, Peter and the Apostles, plus their successors ALL had a priestly ministry, no matter how often you deny it, and it is in the Bible. Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them, and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/2/18


BTW, john, if the town council of Geneva, contemporary with Jean Chauvin, were not Calvinists, who was?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/2/18


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Cluny, I get my history from X Catholics, including my brother in law. There is a reason WHY they left the Catholic Church. That needs to be addressed as well, those who have LEFT YOUR flavor of Christianity. Yes, THAT SAYS MORE that anything. Mostly because they got saved, and once someone is saved, the Holy Spirit comes to live inside and totally shines a light on the false. Because the Holy Spirit ONLY endorses scripture, not man made traditions, and false doctrine.
Others left your denomination...the Catholic side, because of all the child molesting, Money laundering corruption that was exposed.
Brendan, I won't agree to your terms. I will challenge anyone with scripture.
---kathr4453 on 5/2/18


\\Calvinists didn't murder anyone although accused.\\

john, Michael Servetus was sentenced to be burned at the stake for heresy (he was a Sabellian Modalist) by the town council of Geneva.

Jean Chauvin (to use his real name) approved of his execution, but thought he should have been beheaded instead.

Did you know that?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/1/18


Mark 16:15 - And he said unto them , Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel, to every creature,
---RichardC on 5/1/18


\\Cluny, I'm sure in your mind that proves something, but not really.\\

It does prove something very important, but you are blinded to the obvious.

\\ There are many Protestants who have converted to Mormonism too. \\

Nobody has ever converted to Mormonism or its offshoots by studying ALL of Church History.

Now I'll ask you a question I asked before.

WHERE do you get your information about Church history?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/1/18


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Kathr4453 said, "Sorry, but we will never agree."

If that's your opinion, then stop posting replies to my questions. And stop replying to anything else I say. When you start doing that, I will cease to reply to your postings. However, if I see you say something in error, I will post the truth on the board.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/1/18


Cluny, I'm sure in your mind that proves something, but not really. There are many Protestants who have converted to Mormonism too.

But the discussion wasn't about converting from one sect to another, as though that proves anything.

Our sins are forgiven EXCLUSIVELY on the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. When we are crucified with Christ, we die to sin. Also we are sanctified through the body of Christ once and for all. This is WHY we don't need an EARTHLY human priesthood standing in for God. No human CAN fill those shoes.

I don't see that spoken in ANY of your and Brendan's posts.
---kathr4453 on 5/1/18


Monk, anyone can forgive anyone who has hurt you in some way. That is between you and the other person. But sins against God only God can forgive them. And we all sin, but as brothers and sisters in Christ we can now go to the Father through Jesus Christ who is our Mediator. Before we came to Christ the Father would not even listen to our prayers.
---Luke on 5/1/18


Hi, Monk Brendan (c: God bless you (c:

How about Ephesians 4:31-32? >

"Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. And kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you." (Ephesians 4:31-32)

So, our forgiving needs to be "even as God in Christ forgave you." This includes putting away bitterness and anger . . . not only trying to control how we express it, but put that evil stuff away, as is possible with God.

Whether there should be confession, then, can be a decoy issue to keep our attention away from how we need to forgive lovingly, "even as God".
---Bill on 5/1/18


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monk brendan said, "Elizabeth I murdered thousands of Catholics, so did the Calvinists,"

Monk Brendan, when you say Calvinists think you meant to say reform?

Calvinists didn't murder anyone although accused.
John Calvin himself even had to flee Geneva because of safety.
---john9346 on 4/30/18


kathr, YOU are the one deflecting on this thread by, among other things, mentioning CONSTANTINE'S SWORD.

And you didn't answer a single question I asked.

However, I will relate this short anecdote.

A few decades ago, an Orthodox deacon was hired to teach Church history at Oral Roberts University. And that's what he did. He taught Church history--ALL of it.

Result: so many of his students converted to Orthodox, several becoming priests, that he was fired.

He who has ears to hear, let him hear.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/30/18


If you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. Matthew 6:1415
---Steveng on 4/30/18


Brendan, not only me, but many will disagree with your interpretation of scripture. I believe scripture teaches scripture, and has numerous back up scriptures to support a doctrine. There are too many other scriptures who support ONLY GOD THROUGH JESUS CHRIST CAN FORGIVE SIN. And no one can say they are standing in Jesus place to do that. Not in the NT. Even the OT Priesthood had to rely on the blood of bulls and goats too FOR THEIR OWN SIN before they did their priestly duty. TODAY Jesus with His own blood ENTERED HEAVEN and is our High priest! Also because of that we can come BOLDLY TO THE THRONE OF GRACE...TO FIND MERCY. Mercy meaning forgivness of sin. We don't need your man made priesthood.

Sorry, but we will never agree.
---kathr4453 on 4/30/18


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Sadly there is a lot of anti Catholic lies told about history. The Recent series on the Popes skipped a lot. But they were accurate in the points they made.

Is is sad that people tell lies and made up stories when the truth is all that should be used.

We can say to a person I forgive you. We can say GOD promises to forgive all who come to him and repent. But I don't remember Paul saying I can in place of GOD forgive your sins.

Constantine gets blamed for a lot of stuff he didn't do.

Love GOD Love others.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/30/18


kathr4453 said, " Firstly there was no earthly priesthood claiming they could forgive sin, Paul and Peter NEVER taught this...Secondly, The Apostles NEVER MURDERED anyone for any reason those who opposed them..."

Why can you never accept the clear Word of the Lord? If Paul can say that he CAN forgive sin, and if Jesus can say in John 20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them, and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained. Then you obviously can't understand the Word of God.

And as I posted the question, I think I know the topic better than you. You are the one deflecting.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/30/18


Sounds like Our Catholic and Orthodox on line are trying to change the subject. The discussion was NOT about TODAY, but the beginning Church Age after Pentecost. Firstly there was no earthly priesthood claiming they could forgive sin, Paul and Peter NEVER taught this. Hebrews proves there is no NT "earthly" priesthood. Secondly, The Apostles NEVER MURDERED anyone for any reason those who opposed them. They never even taught to take up arms or any sword killing others to defend Christianity.

That's what was being discussed...not how the Pope in 2000 asked forgivness for all the murderous crusades in the past. The guilt on that one issue they already claim was wrong.
---kathr4453 on 4/30/18


Kathr said, " Brendan, I believe history has already proven that Christianity became violent under Constantines Sword. There's a great Doc by a firmer priest called Constantines Sword. You may enjoy it...I sure did."

First of all, that was published 2001. That's over 16 centuries AFTER Constantine was ruling Rome. I also note, after reading a few pages, that it is overtly anti-Catholic, using words that show the Roman Catholic Church to be overbearing, barbarous, uncivilized, and dictatorial. The RCC is none of these things.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/29/18


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kathr, I'm curious.

Just WHERE are you getting your information about Church history, especially post-Constantinian?

Have you ever read the book THE APOSTASY THAT WASN'T? Or do you simply limit yourself to publications that prove your prejudices and confirm you in theM?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/29/18


\\Brendan, I believe history has already proven that Christianity became violent under Constantines Sword. \\

And you seem to believe a lot of things that have no basis in reality.

\\There's a great Doc by a firmer priest called Constantines Sword. You may enjoy it...I sure did. \\

Of course, a former priest would NEVER have an axe to grind against the Catholic Church, would he?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/29/18


\\ The Apostles did not teach what you teach.
---kathr4453 on 4/27/18\\

Yes, they did.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/28/18


Monk, Protestants will NEVER look in the mirror and say sorry for killing Catholics through the Centuries.

That's why they falsely blame Catholics for their own sins.
Projecting as many have done and continue to do with other sins.

They will answer to God.

But Jesus did call us Blessed in Matthew 5:3-11
---Nicole_Lacey on 4/28/18


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TRue Kathyr.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/27/18


Brendan, I believe history has already proven that Christianity became violent under Constantines Sword. There's a great Doc by a firmer priest called Constantines Sword. You may enjoy it...I sure did.

Cluny, your comments are not fact, but an ongoing debate from the beginning of the Church age. The Apostles did not teach what you teach.
---kathr4453 on 4/27/18


\\Kathr4453 (although she wrote 4454) said, "NOT for the faith of the RCC or Orthodox, or Calvinism, or Mormonism. That's YOUR faith as opposed to the FAITH OF THE GOSPEL.\\

WRONG AGAIN< KATHR!

The Orthodox faith is PRECISELY the faith of the Gospel.

Protestantism in any form is merely the the tradition and precepts of men.

And if you think that aOrthodox re just like Roman Catholics, except for the Pope, it shows you know NOTHING about either.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/27/18


Kathr4453 said, " If the RCC was the ONE FAITH in ONE SPIRIT...why then were they killing other Christians AKA Protestants. So that verse may also bring you and the RCC under conviction, playing the Inquisitioners and playing God with people's personal conscience toward God. I see no NT scripture where the BOC is urged to murder other who don't agree with them."

Kathr, I might say the same thing to you. Elizabeth I murdered thousands of Catholics, so did the Calvinists, as well as Zwingli in Switzerland. If you are going to attack me over the sins of the Inquisition--which I have already stated were wrong, then YOU have to answer for the thousands of Catholics murdered by Protestants.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/27/18


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samuelBB7 said, "There are many people in many denominations who are Christians. They love GOD and love others."

So samuel the Jehovah's Witnesses who deny the Deity of the Lord Jesus Christ, mormons who teach that the Lord Jesus christ is the brother of satan, and Christian Science who reject the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ are Christian sir????

Tell us, are these individuals holding to the "Faith once delivered to the saints??"
---john9346 on 4/26/18


Nicole said, "Because it seems Protestants try to win a debate using Paul's words over Jesus' Words."

Ms. Lacy, as Reform Christians we believe in Sola Scriptura that recognizes "All Scripture." is, "Theopneustos." There is no such thing in Scripture saying one author of Scripture is more important than the other to believe this is putting God against himself...

Ms. Lacy, is Christ divided yes or no??
---john9346 on 4/26/18


samuelBB7 said, "I asked what does a person have to do to be a Christian."

Samuel, what one has to do to become a Christian is not the same as what one has to do to be a Christian. To become a Christian one must repent and believe in Christ, but to be a Christian one must hold to The Specific Doctrines of Christ and follow Christ...

Just saying you believe in Jesus doesn't necessarily make one of Christ...
---john9346 on 4/26/18


There are many people in many denominations who are Christians. They love GOD and love others.

But in many there have also been hypocrites who hate others and will use their hate against others. Even up to murdering them.

That does not make all members of any church all hypocrites.

I for instance like much of what some Roman Catholic saints like Saint Francis wrote. As well as the lives they lived. Also the Orthodox churches has in many ways a good history.

I am not to judge. I am to love others in the name of Jesus. Only GOD knows who are the true saints who walk this earth.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/26/18


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Well first Brendan, I said nothing about Christian Science, or the other list John put down which are actually CULTS, having nothing to do with Christianity or denominations.

If the RCC was the ONE FAITH in ONE SPIRIT...why then were they killing other Christians AKA Protestants. So that verse may also bring you and the RCC under conviction, playing the Inquisitioners and playing God with people's personal conscience toward God. I see no NT scripture where the BOC is urged to murder other who don't agree with them.
---kathr4453 on 4/26/18


Kathr4453 (although she wrote 4454) said, "NOT for the faith of the RCC or Orthodox, or Calvinism, or Mormonism. That's YOUR faith as opposed to the FAITH OF THE GOSPEL. The Faith of the Gospel is not divided into denominations 1 Cor 3, and only has ONE HEAD...who is Jesus Christ."

Kathr, yes or no, have you ever been IN a Roman Catholic or Orthodox Church?

BTW, do not attempt to insult the intelligence of the members of these blogs by trying to compare RC and Orthodox with Mormons, Christian Science, etc. They are not the same thing. And we do teach the faith of the whole Gospel, found in the Bible, even a KJV.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/26/18


John, I think you misunderstood Samuel. The bible states there is only one faith. This should also interest michael_e, who claims at the beginning of Jesus resurrection there were two faiths....one for Israel and one for Gentiles. Or the one Peter took to the circumcision and the one Paul took to the Gentiles. WRONG?..they both took the ONE FAITH to the Jews and Gentiles. To the Jew FIRST and then to the Gentile...if Michael_e also understands the meaning of that as well. This verse shows how wrong Michael_e 's doctrine is. And I'm sure only certain denominations teach that, as well as hyper-Calvinism....those carnal babies saying WE ARE OF CALVIN. 1 Cor 3

Scientology is not even Christian.
---kathr4453 on 4/25/18


samuelBB7 said, "There is only one true faith. It is not any denomination."

This is false...

Do you think Jehovah's Witnesses, mormons, Christian Science, and the church of scientology represent "The Faith Once Delivered unto The Saints?"??
---john9346 on 4/24/18


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Paul had no power to forgive sin. Only Christ can do that. But in the Name of Christ, Paul could agree with them when they had restored this individual and forgiven him then he could agree. The real purpose of restoring this individual, was to keep Satan at bay.
2 Cor 2:11 "Lest Satan should get an advantage of us, for we are not ignorant of his devices."
Only Christ can forgive sins bringing about salvation
Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Eph 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
---michael_e on 4/24/18


SamuelBB7 said, "I don't believe that Paul or any apostle had the right to forgive sins."

Then why did Jesus say, Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them, and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained. (John 20:23)?

If Jesus is not giving the Apostles the power and right to forgive any sins, then why bother saying it at all? The same holds true with Paul.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/23/18


Well Monk, Kathr must be nondenominational since she claim her faith is the faith of the Gospel which includes everyone on CN
---Nicole_Lacey on 4/23/18


Agreed Kathyr There is only one true faith. It is not any denomination. Yes that includes mine.

Only those who Love GOD and Love others are in the true Church. Only Jesus knows who they are.

agape
---Samuelbb7 on 4/23/18


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OK Nicole and Monk, MY faith is the faith of the Gospel. There's only ONE FAITH ...

Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

Philippians 1:27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel,

NOT for the faith of the RCC or Orthodox, or Calvinism, or Mormonism. That's YOUR faith as opposed to the FAITH OF THE GOSPEL. The Faith of the Gospel is not divided into denominations 1 Cor 3, and only has ONE HEAD...who is Jesus Christ.
---kath4454 on 4/23/18


Samuel I agree. Paul is talking exclusively to the BOC, for the purpose of staying in the Love of God, love towards one another in the BOC. All the Apostles in one way or another teach this. I love the verse in ***Proverbs 10:12.*** also. There will always be hecklers ....learning to just ignore THAT GARBAGE is key.

BUT certain "doctrines" are dangerous to ones eternal soul as well as misleading others away from truth, that is able to save their soul, that I cannot ignore, nor are we suppose to. Paul died defending the faith...finished what God put him here to do, and his final words before he died in 2 Timothy 4. Is not exclusively to Timothy, but to ALL OF US who follow Jesus Christ the way Paul followed Jesus Christ.
---kathr4453 on 4/23/18


Here is the way the NASB translates the passage.

2Co 2:10

But one whom you forgive anything, I forgive also, for indeed what I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, I did it for your sakes in the presence of Christ,

To me this is forgiving others from us. Not saying GOD is using me to forgive you. For forgiveness from GOD we need to go to GOD.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/22/18


Nicole_Lacey said, "You go around on CN correcting other Faith instead of promoting your own Faith."

Very Good, Nicole.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/22/18


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I don't believe that Paul or any apostle had the right to forgive sins.

In the passage Paul speaks of personally forgiving. I don't see him saying that Jesus through Paul forgives you.

WE can say Jesus loves you and forgives you. We cannot say that we are behind that in any way.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/22/18


"I think you would agree that such an approach by Christians in life is far from ideal as Christ is our Councillor (Isa 9:6) and there is none better." Yes I would. Since acknowledging Jesus, the Christ, as Lord and Savior, by whose strips believers were healed, there is no other place I would go, personally, for counseling. I simply do not judge, nor would I criticize, those who may not hold that confidence.
---josef on 4/22/18


Monk: However, when you speak of errors made by the RCC, then I am allowed to speak against your errors.//

How true. I have been saying that on CN for over a year now.

I think that went over someone head.

Have you notice how we DON'T know the Faith of some on CN?

Kathr, exactly what if your Faith?

You go around on CN correcting other Faith instead of promoting your own Faith.
---Nicole_Lacey on 4/22/18


JOSEF. You said that if one is unable to cope with life then it's ok to seek help from a priest or pastor if you need to.

I think you would agree that such an approach by Christians in life is far from ideal as Christ is our Councillor (Isa 9:6) and there is none better.



---Haz27 on 4/22/18


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So you all say man can forgive sin....but here's the thing .....ONLY JESUS BLOOD CAN CLEANSE YOU FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS. Its cleansing that puts you in a right relationship with the Lord. And no one can do that but The Lord Himself. No one can come to the Father except through Jesus Christ. And Hebrews 4 CLEARLY SAY we can come boldly...meaning with Confidence to the throne of Grace to find MERCY. The Mercy Seat is where true forgivness is found By the ONLY one who has access to the Mercy seat is IN HEAVEN. Its Not on earth anymore .....that was only a PATTERN of what is in HEAVEN. A TEMPORARY . There is no more earthly priesthood, with a mercy seat etc. ITS ALL IN HEAVEN where JESUS IS. Go directly to HIM.
---kathr4453 on 4/22/18


Monk, seriously, spelling is exclusively Catholic?

What you are doing is taking what those who are NOT Catholic believe, and trying to still persuade that the Catholic view is the correct one. We don't need your correction. We have our own convictions according to scripture not tradition.

Interestingly Monk, when we confess our sin th the Lord, we don't say Father forgive me for I have sinned....we say Father, I did this or that and I am very sorry. We already KNOW we are forgiven...if we confess our sin He is faithful and just to forgive, ..so we don't need to keep asking....that actually shows lack of faith....we say THANK YOU for forgiving me.
---kathr4453 on 4/21/18


I meant this line to read "Those in Christ should be free from 'guilt'."
---josef on 4/21/18


Kathr4453 said, "Brendan, just let people answer what they believe without your Red pen in hand grading others answers."

People may believe what they want. I am correcting other people's belief of what the Roman Catholic--indeed, the whole Catholic Community teaches. If you make a mistake in math, I will not correct you, if that's what you desire. If you make an error in defending your own faith, I'm not going to bother at all, I don't know the beliefs and teachings of your religion. However, when you speak of errors made by the RCC, then I am allowed to speak against your errors.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/21/18


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But God is ALWAYS willing to forgive. Exactly.
Those in Christ should be free from quilt, knowing He bore our griefs, and carried our sorrow. We know that the chastisement of our peace was upon Him. We also know there is only one mediator between the Father and man, the man Christ Jesus. However I see nothing wrong with speaking with a priest, or pastor about the things that trouble you, if it helps you cope in life.
---josef on 4/21/18


Monk, I would say yes Paul did have the authority to forgive sins.

I only say this because if he capable of making Timothy and Titus Bishops then he must have the same authority of forgiving sins.

Paul calls himself an Apostle and rightfully so because he was personally appointed by Jesus as told in Acts 9:4 and 26:14-18.
---Nicole_Lacey on 4/21/18


Brendan, James says, confess your sins one to another, and never once uses the word Priest hearing them. I believe that verse means we are to humble ourselves one to another...one to another is all the lowely folks sharing and encouraging one another. This is what Scripture says...I have no idea what yours is about. And in James, no one is in authority over anyone telling them to say 10 Hail Mary's and 12 Our Fathers....

I also believe this is a personal voluntary thing, not something that is written in stone. So,if you are using James as a model for your confessional with a priest...you missed the mark and the purpose. James never says the "one another had the power to forgive sins either" .
---kathr4453 on 4/20/18


One thing I've noticed about some folks here asking questions...is they also,want to monitor and rebuke every answer that doesn't agree with their doctrine.

Brendan, just let people answer what they believe without your Red pen in hand grading others answers.

Not everyone here is RCC, Catholic or Orthodox with Priests and confessionals. YET! Our sins are IMMEDIATELY forgiven the very moment we confess to GOD. We don't need a middleman and we have NEVER been asked to say even one Hail Mary or Our Father to show contrition or whatever that is for? OUR FATHER does not require that at all.
---kath453 on 4/20/18


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Josef said, " Sins against God, can only be forgiven by God."

But God is ALWAYS willing to forgive. However, there is always the need to "get it off your chest," if you will. Hearing those confessions is ONE of the functions of a priest.

But what about those sins that you committed when you were 9 years old, and you HATED Peter S. who sat behind you. Peter lived in Chicago at the time, but where is he now, so you can ask forgiveness? The confessional allows you a place to get rid of the burden of guilt. A talk with the pastor may help, but the cleansing (IMO) that one receives from a visit to a priest, you know the sin is forgiven.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/20/18


Kathr4453 (CP) said, "I believe it was also for the sake of restoring this man back into the Church family. But I believe the man also repented first before Paul wrote that letter."

In the confessional, there is always a presumption of repentance, as going to confession is voluntary, and not required.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/20/18


I believe it was also for the sake of restoring this man back into the Church family. But I believe the man also repented first before Paul wrote that letter.

Another example is the run away slave. Paul wrote a letter to,the slave master who was a Christian and beseeched him to forgive the slave who ran away, telling the master how much the slave had ministered to Paul. Isn't this the book of Philemon? Philemon 1:8-9.

Look how many times David forgave Saul....but never changed Saul's heart or position with God.
---kathr4453 on 4/20/18


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