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What Changed Jacob

What made Jacob to be a prince from cheater?

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1 Chron 5:1 Now the sons of Reuben the firstborn of Israel, (for he was the firstborn, but forasmuch as he defiled his father's bed, his birthright was given unto the sons of Joseph the son of Israel: and the genealogy is not to be reckoned after the birthright.

Ok here we have the birthright, given to the firstborn in Israel, Ruben, who lost it and it was then given to Joseph.

HOWEVER, the Blessing that was also Given to Abraham included the promise of the Messiah....who came out of the tribe of Judah. ( In Isaac will thy seed be called, and the seed was Christ) came through Jacob. God could not give to Esau anyway, because Esau had already married a Canaanite...TOTALLY FORBIDDEN.

Gen 49, Jacob blesses ALL his sons.
---kathr4453 on 5/7/18


There were two birthrights Nicole.

But I'm not going to get into that with you, because you need to learn to ask before pouncing. Just think, if Esau sold his birthright to Jacob, it was no secret that needed deception. And Esau would have had no reason to hate Jacob and claim it was stolen. And no o e cheated Esau out of that one. Hebrews makes a statement on that and NEVER accuses Jacob of stealing. Esau had no regard for his birthright. NOW the one passes down from Abraham to Isaac to Jacob is another....that's the one Esau also thought was his as well, and THATS the one God told Rebecca the younger would be given. "She" went about it in a sneaky way telling Jacob what to do.
---kathr4453 on 5/7/18


Genesis 27:32

named Jacob? for he hath supplanted me these two times: he took away my birthright, and, behold, now he hath taken away my blessing. And he said, Hast thou not reserved a blessing for me?


Ok here it is, there is the Birthright that Esau had no regard for and sold it to Jacob, and then there is the Blessing, TWO different issues.

It was "the Blessing" Rebecca should have told Isaac what the Lord spoke to her. I fault Rebecca for telling Jacob to deceive and pretend he was Esau.

Also note again Birthrights OR blessings are not WALLA instant eternal salvations given out either.
---kathr453 on 5/7/18


Kathr, I wrote that blog according to this statement:

//God gave the birthright to the younger before they were born.---kathr4453 on 5/4/18

God DIDN'T give the birthright to the younger one.

Esau SOLD his birthright THAT BELONGED to him.

How else can you sell something you don't own?

Again, God ONLY told their mother what was going to happen.

NOT what He was going to do for either of the twins.

Or are you SUGGESTING God had a hand in Jacob lying and tricking his father in order to get the birthright?

Since Jesus told Peter he would betray Him BEFORE he actually betrays Him is it Jesus who FORCED Peter to betray Him?
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/6/18


I also think it's important too to see God was not telling Rebecca while still carrying the twins, that one was chosen to be saved and the other chosen to go to hell, like our Calvinist folks here believe. The birthright had to do with the promises given to Abraham, and the Land, and Gods chosen EARTHLY PEOPLE. This promise given to Abraham was passed to Isaac and then Jacob, having NOTHING to do with an eternal salvation. There is no such thing as salvation being anyone's birthright.

But you can show this to them over and over and they just don't get it.

Israel will ALWAYS be Gods elect people.

The Church will be Jesus elect.
---kathr4453 on 5/6/18




Nicole, why are you always looking for an argument that just isn't there. No one said God approved any actions just because it was in His plan. God did not approve Abraham trying to make a promise come to pass by fathering Ishmael either. Great consequences happen when we run ahead of God and not let the Lord bring HIS OWN PROMISES come to pass HIS WAY.

And Ishmael, Abrahams firstborn ( not first begotten ) also did not inherit the blessing. Isaac did.
But Abraham ALSO suffered by his own hand....and Israel has to this very day.
Please learn to read and understand what folks are and are not saying before going off on some tangent only your mind has created.
---kathr4453 on 5/6/18


Can we please back up some?

Just because God tells Rebekah what will happen in the future DOESN'T mean He approves the actions that causes the events of the future.

Esau SOLD his birthright for a bowl of soup. Genesis 25:29-54

He is the one who didn't take his birthright seriously.

Next Jacob LIED and TRICKED his father to get his brother birthright. A sin against the 4th(5th) Commandment

No one has the RIGHT to excuse or justify those sins by both sons.

But a Blessing is a Blessing that CAN NOT be UNDONE! Genesis 27:33-37

I think you all do not understand blessings.

As for Jacob, he was punished harshly for lying and tricking his father for 14 years.

His Uncle LIED and TRICKED him.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/6/18


I believe if Rebecca told Isaac what the Lord told her before the twins were born, there would have been no reason to deceive. God gave the birthright to the younger before they were born.---kathr4453 on 5/4/18

Kathryn
Thats a very good point.
---David on 5/6/18


"What made Jacob to be a prince from cheater?"
THe Father's declaration concerning him.
---josef on 5/4/18


I believe if Rebecca told Isaac what the Lord told her before the twins were born, there would have been no reason to deceive. God gave the birthright to the younger before they were born.
---kathr4453 on 5/4/18




I believe the question about how Jacob fooled his father, and then received Esaus birthright.
---David on 5/3/18


I believe a serious change come upon Jacob when he wrestled with the Angel of the Lord, Jacob said..I will not let you go until you bless me...something like that. That's when the Angel struck Jacobs hip, and he walked with a cane after that. Also it wasn't until after that that God blessed him, and changed his name from Jacob to Israel. So he was Gods chosen all along to become head of Israel...Jacob I loves, Esau I hated..the elder( Esau) shall serve the younger..Jacob was the younger.
---kathr4453 on 5/1/18


I would say he learned, if he really did change.

Not only was he a cheater, but he loved with favoritism. And when he favored Rachel but did not love Leah, God closed up the womb of Rachel. So, God expected him to love Leah. It did not matter what his preference was.

Genesis 29:31

So, not only Jacob but a number of us have cheated our own selves, by not loving any and all people the way Jesus wants. Ones of us have isolated ourselves with love idols.

"For if you love those who love you, what reward have you?" (in Matthew 5:46)
---Bill on 5/1/18


Jacob is strong, but Gods lesson is to show Jacob his strength is not in his flesh, but in his clinging to God in weakness
Israel, thou hast prevailed with God, not in his flesh, but by his supplication
Israel prevails with God and men, the church in contrast has no strength - Rom 5:6
This night transforms Jacob from smart supplanter, to the crippled prince Ge 27:36
Hos 12:3-4 Israel is reminded of this when they face a similar struggle (Hos 14:2)
---michael_e on 4/30/18


I don't understand your question. Can you elaborate, please?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/30/18


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