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Sell Church To Help Poor

Denominational "churches" are worth trillions of dollars in real and paper assets and spend greater than 85% of its income to maintain these assets. Will your denominational "church" sell all its possessions to help the poor?

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StevenG said, "Let me help you out a little. I start out by looking at the financial statements and tax records of each charity / church. Their financial statements are used to prepare the tax returns. To find the true wealth of a charity / church I go to IRS Form 990."

Steven, I don't believe you. I happen to know that the IRS form 990 is confidential and private, and may NOT be revealed to anyone save the taxpayer

Unless one of the many jobs you seem to hold is as an IRS auditor.

And if you have all these jobs, how can you possibly have the time to SNOOP?
---Monk_Brendan on 5/23/18


Believe it or not, Steveng, most churches are not 501.c.3 corporations.

I ought to know. I've been involved in the founding of several Orthodox congregations, and NONE of them are 501.c.3.

On the other hand, when I left my home town, the community orchestra, in which I played and served on the board, was seeking this status.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/23/18


\\You assume way too much as usual. Please read my 5/10/18 post. I do my own in-depth research.\\

In this case, from what sources?

Please be specific.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/21/18


Brendan, Samuel,

Brendan wrote: "...However, I don't think he will ever give me an answer, because..."

I'm not on these blogs everyday like most people on these blogs. I do have a real life to lead.

Brendan wrote: "Will you please tell me the name of the book or publication that gave you those figures?"

You assume way too much as usual. Please read my 5/10/18 post. I do my own in-depth research.

Let me help you out a little. I start out by looking at the financial statements and tax records of each charity / church. Their financial statements are used to prepare the tax returns. To find the true wealth of a charity / church I go to IRS Form 990.

---Steveng on 5/18/18


I believe you may be right Monk Brendan.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/18/18




I asked StevenG, "Will you please tell me the name of the book or publication that gave you those figures? I personally don't believe these facts, and I believe it is something out of Jack Chick comics. Please explain, with name of publication, date, author, and page number."

StevenG, I am still waiting for my answer.

However, I don't think he will ever give me an answer, because it comes from anti-Catholic websites that call the Pope the servant of satan, and things like that.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/17/18


\\Will your denominational "church" sell all its possessions to help the poor?\\

I just happened to think.

Didn't Judas Iscariot say something similar about the myrrh the Penitent woman poured onto the feet of Jesus?

Nice to know that you think like him, Steveng.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/12/18


Steveng....You are full of yourself. Every time you post a question on these blogs, you always bring the answers back to you and how smart and capable you are. Your stats are not to be trusted because you slant things to reflect on how special you are.
---KarenD on 5/11/18


When figuring out how much money and property the Catholic Church has, are you counting simply the parish churches, with associated rectories and parish halls (if such there be)? Are you including their schools?

How about colleges and schools not associated with parishes, to say nothing about the property of religious orders? These are usually separate entities from their dioceses.

I'll bet you wish you had so much money, Steveng.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/11/18


I'm a freelance investigative reporter. During the late 1980s, early 1990s I did political and corporate investigations (I currently focus the Middle East). I researched the charities that politicians and corporate CEOs donated to. I start out by looking at their financial statements and tax records. To find the true wealth of a charity / church I go to IRS Form 990 (in the US, other countries use similar forms) which gives complete details where the money comes from and where it goes - even naming large donators by name.

I investigated over 400 catholic churches throughout the world - from the small to the large. It gets too deep to post, but from the sampling of 400 and combined it to the over 200,000 catholic churches.
---Steveng on 5/10/18




StevenG said, "As of 2005 (the last time I researched the topic), the catholic church, for instance, was worth a whole lot more than seventeen trillion dollars in hard assets, real estate, income property and paper assets (stocks, bonds and insurance)...."

Will you please tell me the name of the book or publication that gave you those figures? I personally don't believe these facts, and I believe it is something out of Jack Chick comics. Please explain, with name of publication, date, author, and page number.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/10/18


StevenG said, "Gods true Church has no earthly wealth, no huge bureaucracy, no billions tied up in hard assets, real estate, investments, and bank accounts and no money to maintain these assets..."

Steven, almost 20 years ago I gave up everything, sold what I had, and entered the monastic life. So I've been there and done that. Our monastery is simple. There are no expensive pieces of art, no vast holding of land, etc. When are you going to follow suit??
---Monk_Brendan on 5/9/18


\\Over two thirds of the money I earn go to the poor.\\

Guess what, STeveng? You just lost your reward.

Jesus said that when you give alms, not to publish it abroad, but be so secretive that "your left hand doesn't know what your right hand is doing." If you follow His instructions, "Your Father, who sees you in secret, will reward you openly."

Go to your prayer closet.

Go directly to your prayer closet.

Do not pass GO.

Do not collect 200 years indulgence.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/7/18


Steveng, neither you nor I have any control over what the Catholic Churches do with their property.

But you DO have control over what you do with your OWN property.

So when are you going to sell YOUR OWN and give the proceeds to the poor, as Christ commanded?

(I'll bet you have as much money and property as you claim the Catholic Churches have. I've seen a lot of envy over other people's wealth on your postings.)

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/6/18


Nicole,
As of 2005 (the last time I researched the topic), the catholic church, for instance, was worth a whole lot more than seventeen trillion dollars in hard assets, real estate, income property and paper assets (stocks, bonds and insurance). Plus, they spend over 80% of their revenues on the upkeep of these assets much like all other denominations.

Gods true Church has no earthly wealth, no huge bureaucracy, no billions tied up in hard assets, real estate, investments, and bank accounts and no money to maintain these assets. God's true church is not made by man's hands. All denominational churches are also nothing more than government owned businesses.
---Steveng on 5/6/18


Cluny wrote: "...sell your house..."

All that is required is to DO the ultimate commandment of LOVE. It is written that if one cannot provide for the family (i.e. a roof over the head, food on the table, clothes on the back) he is worse than an unbeliever.

As for me, and as I have said many times before, that even though I make good money (I've got three jobs - a technical writer for an avionics company, an investigative reporter, a tutor for over forty years) I lead a very simple lifestyle. Over two thirds of the money I earn go to the poor.

I have also challenged everyone in the past to personally meet me to know me better - or to have connections in your church to meet me. I live in the Los Angeles area.
---Steveng on 5/6/18


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Where do you come up with these trillions assets amounts?

Be logic.

The United States is in debt by 20 trillions.

But you want me to believe that some Churches together are worth trillions of dollars?

Come on.

Even the Catholic Church isn't worth a trillion dollars and She is has more assets than all the Denomination Churches you speak about.

She constantly gives the poor.

Also, if these Church does what you suggest are you claiming it will END POVERTY in the world?

Only the Christian Catholic Church will be LEFT to care for the poor?

Plus, who said feeding the poor was more important than hearing the Gospel?

Please mediate on Acts 6:1-7
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/6/18


//Perhaps, Steveng, I should remind you that the believers of Jerusalem sold their property, not to give to the poor, but to give to the Apostles.//
WRONG
Acts 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common, 45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to ALL MEN, as every man had need.
Gal. 2:10 backs this up
---michael_e on 5/5/18


Perhaps, Steveng, I should remind you that the believers of Jerusalem sold their property, not to give to the poor, but to give to the Apostles.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/5/18


Steveng, will YOUR dehominational "church of you alone" sell your house to help the poor?

I would point out that neither Jesus Himself nor the Apostles EVER suggested that the Temple or synagogues be sold for this reason.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/4/18


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Our denominational church helps the poor without having to sell the property? Have you sold your home to help the poor, StevenG?
---KarenD on 5/4/18


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