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Have you heard of the ridiculous request for all parents from Duncan Obama's Secretary of Education?

Keep your children home until gun control laws have passed.

Many problems with his request. Can you name them?

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 ---Nicole_Lacey on 5/20/18
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Nicole_Lacey:

Yes, the NRA DID do something to him:

1. NRA pours MILLIONS into politicians' campaigns.

2. Those politicians consistently vote against tighter gun registration laws and assault weapon bans, DESPITE 2/3 of THEIR VOTERS wanting such laws - because NRA doesn't want them.

3. So NRA is directly responsible for laws that put students in danger.

But despite all this, NOTHING warrants being "accidentally" killed by police because of a false police report.

Hogg and his friends were VICTIMS. They were SHOT AT and some of their friends were KILLED. Yet the right paints THEM as villains because they consider the 2nd amendment more sacrosanct than human life (at least, life after live birth).
---StrongAxe on 6/19/18


StrongAxe: You're assuming that just because he doesn't want to be killed at school,//

No, I KNOW because he said FOUL words against Senator Ted Cruz for SUPPORTING the NRA who didn't do ANYTHING TO HIM.

He has a foul mouth dropping bombs to everyone EXCEPT to those ACTUALLY responsible for the school shooting.

The march he 'helped' organized, had signs attacking the NRA but NOT ONE to the FBI, afraid Cop, Obama's policy or the Sheriff department. NOT ONE!

He been all on the News outlet telling everyone he wants to get rid of the 2nd amendment.

//HE didn't throw the first punch. The guy who MURDERED HIS FRIENDS did.//

RIGHT! Now do me a favor and CITE just ONCE of Hogg using his foul mouth against him?
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/19/18


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: What! I didn't know the kid UNTIL he started trying to TAKE AWAY my 2nd amendment RIGHT!

You're assuming that just because he doesn't want to be killed at school, that automatically means he's perfectly willing to file false police reports (a crime)?

HE didn't throw the first punch. The guy who MURDERED HIS FRIENDS did. And the punch he's throwing is lobbying for public opinion, NOT committing crimes!

We don't automatically accuse people of crimes without specific evidence, and there's no evidence HE faked this, other than paranoid presumptions of people who think others will stoop to anything to get their way. Would you want others to assume that of YOU? I suspect not.
---StrongAxe on 6/19/18


StrongAxe: Why do you automatically assume the worst about the character and motives of anyone who disagrees with you politically?//

What! I didn't know the kid UNTIL he started trying to TAKE AWAY my 2nd amendment RIGHT!

He isn't MAD at the FBI who dropped the ball TWICE.

NOT MAD at the Sheriff department who dropped the ball 23 times.

NOT MAD at the Cop who refused to enter the school to stop the shooter!

NOT MAD at the school system who REFUSE to get the Shooting help.

NOT MAD at the Obama's Administration who made the Shooter's priors not Felonies that WOULD HAVE prevented Cruz from buying a gun.

But mad at the NRA?

You know, if you don't want to fight then DON'T throw the FIRST PUNCH!
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/18/18


His response PROVES he was behind the incident!

If it was a gun advocate it would be all over the fake media. Since it ISN'T it means his party made the call.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/16/18

Do you use this type of logic when you are treating your patients.

No one knows, yet, who did this, yet you jump right to the conclusion he did it himself. Why, because he didn't jump up and down and carry on about this?

Tell you what... are you going to apologize for your false statements if you're proven wrong? I will apologize if you are proven right.

And BTW, it WAS on what you smugly call "fake media." You just need to look.
---NurseRobert on 6/18/18




StrongAxe: You wrote:Hogg reaction to the incident his only response was 'silly flank'. REALLY?//

Where did you see this? When I google "silly flank", I find only one reference on the entire internet, and it isn't from Hogg.//

I also couldn't find it when I google it. But I know your problem.

My primary web browser is Duckduckgo. When I type the key words 'swat team and silly prank' it gives me all the details.

You do know that Google monitors and edits contents?

Anyhow, Hogg said it to ABC and BPR (Business and Politics) Article:

'David Hoggs reaction to S.W.A.T incident at his home is a big red flag' June 6, 2018 Tom Tillison

Type Duckduckgo then type info. If you really want to know.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/18/18


Haz27:

Regardless of whether or not ANTIFI are pro-or anti fascist is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT to the fact that they are not the same as the people who are opposed to the NRA. There are many people who are anti-NRA and also anti-ANTIFA.
---StrongAxe on 6/17/18


NICOLE. Thanks for that info on Hogg. I also hear that in Hoggs delusional hate he also calls people who wont submit to his bullying f***kers.

AXE. FYI ANTIFI are the Fascists. The Left use Orwellian Doublespeak, using labels that mean the opposite. The Fascist ANTIFA thugs are a Leftist domestic terrorist group.

Other examples of Orwellian Doublespeak are UNHCR, which is run by countries who are amongst worst human rights abusers. Likewise the UNs body for rights of women, which is run by Iran, one of the most misogynistic countries.

Here in Australia our Human Rights organization is a Marxist dominated anti human rights group, attacking free speech and thought to further the racist Lefts divisive identity politics.
---Haz27 on 6/16/18


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: Hogg reaction to the incident his only response was 'silly flank'. REALLY?

Where did you see this? When I google "silly flank", I find only one reference on the entire internet, and it isn't from Hogg. It isn't a typo because you typed the words 5 times.

As you said, calls can be traced, so if Hogg was behind it, why wasn't he arrested?

His proves he is able to rise above it and not bow to threats. Why do you automatically assume the worst about the character and motives of anyone who disagrees with you politically? "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". Do you want everyone else to automatically assume you're a criminal too without proof?
---StrongAxe on 6/16/18


StrongAxe, Hogg reaction to the incident his only response was 'silly flank'. REALLY?

NOT a silly flank! 2 elementary school were shut down because of the so called 'silly flank'.

Hundreds or children were scared to death because of the so called "silly flank"!

His response tells me he is behind the "silly flank".

No anger on his behalf because he KNOWS the "silly flank" came from his party.

I truly believe he was hoping for someone to be hurt or killed so he could get another 15 minute of fame!

His response PROVES he was behind the incident!

If it was a gun advocate it would be all over the fake media. Since it ISN'T it means his party made the call.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/16/18




NurseRobert: Where are you getting this??//

From the Illegals THEMSELVES!

Poll: 13% of Illegal Aliens ADMIT They Vote June 3, 2015 By Stephen Frank in the California Political Review

Note this was in 2015 and these are ONLY those who were BRAVE to admit they voted.

Remember the experts rule of thumb of numbers? 1 out of 10 only admit or complain.

Plus, they would have invested interest to vote in Nov 2016!

//Only a cynic would think otherwise.//

Cynic: 1. A person who believes all people are motivated by selfishness.

AMEN!

BTW, I am cynical of Democrats and the Illegals.

They want to stay in the Country and Democrats ONLY care about them for their voting arm
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/16/18


The same State that gave Illegals driver licenses for the purposes of voting not to drive


---Nicole_Lacey on 6/14/18

Where are you getting this?? A 2017 study by Stanford's Immigration Policy Lab found hit-and-run accidents in California decreased by an estimated 4,000 in 2015 alone, reducing injuries and saving drivers who were not at fault in crashes an estimated $3.5 million in repair costs.

They did this to make the roads safer, even law enforcement says so. To qualify for a drivers license under AB 60, applicants must prove their identity and residency in California, pass the written exam and a driving test, submit thumbprints and show proof of insurance.

Only a cynic would think otherwise.
---NurseRobert on 6/15/18


Nicole_Lacey:

Republicans keep asserting that without evidence, that would make it easy to decertify CA election results but that hasn't happened. Just whining like that about aboutHillary - slanderous accusations without proof, and no legal action.

There are some ineligible people in many states on voter LISTS - because people aren't always removed when they move or die, but very few ACTUALLY vote. Some Republicans who whined loudest about illegal voters were themselves arrested for having voted twice.

For the third time, *I* am not claiming ANYONE wants to kill Pruitt.

EPA lovers and Antifa are NOT interchangeable. EPA lovers love the environment. Antifa hates fascists. Two TOTALLY different things.
---StrongAxe on 6/15/18


StrongAxe, 3 million extra Voters were in California. The same State that gave Illegals driver licenses for the purposes of voting not to drive

The State doesn't want more people driving (EPA Lovers). Thus their high gas prices to discourage driving.

BTW, I said EPA Lovers who threaten Pruitt's life. Are you claiming all Democrats want to kill Pruitt?

//You said "left", not "Antifa". If you meant "Antifa", you should have said so.//

I said EPA Lovers and Antifa are interchangeable words.

//How do you know who is "trying to kill Pruitt"//

I don't have to know, the Gov Security Detail gathered the evidence and DEEMED he and his family needed 24/7 protection.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/14/18


\\1. MORE than half of the voters in the 2016 election voted for Hillary than voted for Trump. What does that say to you?\\

Popular vote means nothing when electing the President, but what the Electoral College decides.

JFK was a "minority president," too, but few people remember that.

I knew that whoever became president as a result of the 2016 election would be a minority president.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/15/18


Nicole_Lacey:

1. MORE than half of the voters in the 2016 election voted for Hillary than voted for Trump. What does that say to you?

3. You said "Right have jobs while left live in parents' basements? You just insulted half of all Americans." You said "left", not "Antifa". If you meant "Antifa", you should have said so.

2+4. How do you know who is "trying to kill Pruitt", or that anyone is actually trying to kill him at all? Please cite some evidence.
---StrongAxe on 6/14/18


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StrongAxe: Right have jobs while left live in parents' basements? You just insulted half of all Americans.//

1. The Left isn't 1/2 of the American population.

2. Those trying to kill Pruitt are not all of the Left.

3. Only Antifa members do not have jobs and live in their parent's basement.

4. EPA lovers trying to kill Pruitt need to be insulted.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/14/18


Nicole_Lacey:

Some evil person made a false police report (a crime) claiming there was a person with a weapon in the house. Fortunately, Hogg and his family was in D.C. so nobody was hurt or killed (unlike the gamer-related swatting last year).

The person who did this tried to get Hogg killed. Who would have a motive to do this, if not a gun avocate angry at what he perceived to be threats to his 2nd amendment rights. Apparently, "the right to bear arms" is more important than "thou shalt not bear false witness" and "thou shalt not kill" with these people.

You just accused Hogg of a felony with no evidence. I guess "thou shalt not bear false witness" isn't important to you either?
---StrongAxe on 6/14/18


StrongAxe, I forgot about Betty Devos of Education and FCC Chairman Ajlit Pai.

Remember the Bernie Supporter Hodgkinson who almost killed Rep Scalise? A crazy Leftist who try kill as many Republican Congressman as possible.

//David Hogg..was even swatted last week//

Because of a FALSE call CLAIMING there was a gun in the house.

You do know they can trace a phone call?

After everything was cleared he twitted he wanted a choc muffin. ???

We both know if they didn't make a false call phone they would have sued the swat team and it would have been on the News channels 24/7.

Hogg did that stunt because his 15 minute fame was over.

Another thing with the Left. They use people and spit they out.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/14/18


Nicole_Lacey:

When someone on the right changes his mind, it CAN'T be because he sees reason, but MUST be because he's brainwashed and intimidated by the evil left? I expect such radical black and white thinking from Haz27, not from you.

I don't believe ANYONE is trying to kill him. Many Trump cabinet apointees are there to solely to destroy their departments. Many are vocally upset at this and call such people loathsome, but that does not equate to death threats.

David Hogg actually RECEIVED death threats from gun-lovers, and was even swatted last week (attempted murder by cop).

Right have jobs while left live in parents' basements? You just insulted half of all Americans.
---StrongAxe on 6/13/18


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StrongAxe, the Right isn't buying that all of the sudden Bridenstine believes in climate warming.

He has been watching the Crazy far Left (which is the majority of the Democrat party) attacking Pruitt and his family.

So his decided to tell them that he believes in climate warning. IT WORKED!

Read the article I cited. You even believe the conversion.

//Who from the "crazy left" has been trying to "kill" Scott Pruitt? Sources please.//

EPA LOVERS. I will cite the articles later.

Do you think the Right is trying to kill him?
They have jobs and not living in their parents' basements.

//he should lock himself in his house and never go out.//

EPA Lovers' wish. TOO BAD.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/13/18


Nicole_Lacey:

Yes, I do, but what does this have to do with the discussion? Whose common sense are you talking about? Yours, mine, Jim Bridenstine's, or Trumps? Please be more specific.

Who from the "crazy left" has been trying to "kill" Scott Pruitt? Sources please. One such "death threat" was a postcard calling him ignorant. Anyone who needs $3 million in round-the clock security because he thinks being called ignorant is a death threat he should lock himself in his house and never go out.

Your Forbes article is only one, compared to many articles elsewhere saying the exact opposite. But you'll accept the minority over the majority if they agree with your own agenda.
---StrongAxe on 6/12/18


AXE. NASA has been caught out many times fudging research data to make it fit the man made climate change narrative.

NASA's changing of sea level figures to make it fit the PC narrative is one example. Also NASA's James Hansen was caught out several times for false claims.

Prof Dr. Friedrich Karl Ewert (geologist and data computation expert) painstakingly examined and tabulated all NASA GISSs temperature data series, taken from 1153 stations and going back to 1881. His conclusion: that if you look at the raw data, as opposed to NASAs REVISIONS, youll find that since 1940 the planet has been cooling, not warming.

Former NASA scientist Prof Woodcock strongly disagrees with NASA's man made climate change hysteria.
---Haz27 on 6/12/18


StrongAxe: Jim Bridenstine, Trump's OWN PICK for NASA administrator, was skeptical about climate change, but after only 6 weeks, changed his mind.//

Remember common sense?

Scott Pruitt's security detail is ridiculous because of the CRAZY Leftist trying to kill him over climate change

Think about it?

Google:

'Peer-Reviewed Survey Finds Majority Of Scientists Skeptical Of Global Warming Crisis' Forbes Feb 13, 2013

I told that even Gore DOESN'T believe in Climate change.

Flying everywhere and living in a mansion keeping his lights on 24/7.

Eating steak and other meat.

The Right just isn't stupid.

Remember Lenin's famous description of the young Leftist?

Useful Idiots
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/12/18


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Haz27:

Google: scientists climate change

The first article is from NASA. At the top is a temperature graph from four different observatories, all of which tracked temperature anomalies over 140 years, with virtually identical results.

Jim Bridenstine, Trump's OWN PICK for NASA administrator, was skeptical about climate change, but after only 6 weeks, changed his mind.

Google: scientists against climate change

OSS foundation article says 31K scientists are skeptical, but most were in engineering (10K), medicine (3K), biology, biochemistry, agriculture (3K), chemistry and chemical engineering (5K). No statistics about which of the remaining ones were ACTUAL climate scientists.
---StrongAxe on 6/12/18


AXE. That 97% consensus was debunked.
That lie (made famous by BO's tweet of it) was from Australian academic John Cook, who resorted to his bias in word searches on scientific papers to manufacture 97%.

A better survey of climate scientists came from PBL which revealed, AT BEST, maybe 46%.

Considering that PBL's survey was skewed as the scientists surveyed were picked for having published work with phrases "global warming" or "global climate change", and considering that skeptics get sacked, rarely get research grants, and find it harder to get published (hence they're under-represented in the certified pool of publishing climate scientists) then clearly that 46% max figure is over exaggerated.
---Haz27 on 6/12/18


StrongAxe: Because most scientists are "fake news", while a tiny few, most beholden to large corporations are threatened by conservation and renewable are "real news".//

Almost there, but for a better understanding you have to know that the EPA owned Scientists are liars. Just like Government Doctors) who lie to keep cost down.

Only Conservatives Americans are NOT afraid of the Government (VA).

//There is a big difference between claiming something doesn't exist than claiming there's no scientific evidence for it.//

EXACTLY!

So why don't you get off the FAKE EPA climate change wagon?

BTW, you are correct in that not all Liberals are stupid only those who follow Progressive Lefties.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/12/18


Nicole_Lacey:

Riiight. Because most scientists are "fake news", while a tiny few, most beholden to large corporations are threatened by conservation and renewable are "real news".

Some, but not all, liberals are stupid and ignore common sense. Some, but not all, conservatives are stupid and ignore common sense.

Common sense is not a matter of politics, but rather, a matter of critically examining data, and being willing to update one's preconceptions when they disagree with observations. (Actually conservatism is intrinsically more resistant to this).

There is a big difference between claiming something doesn't exist than claiming there's no scientific evidence for it.
---StrongAxe on 6/12/18


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StrongAxe: You mean the same way that over 97% of scientists agree about that climate change is real//

No, because the FAKE MEDIA pushed that fake science by political cheating Scientists down our throat everyday.

But even they didn't believe it because they fly everywhere they have a chance and live in big houses.

//but conservatives bury all that and instead prefer the opinions of the 3% that happen to agree with them?//

Of course, Conservatives are not stupid. We don't ignore common sense.

They had to change the name after normal people couldn't swallow their FIRST LIE.

So would you believe Scientists when they claim God doesn't exist?
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/11/18


NICOLE. True, Lefties typically hide findings of studies that contradict them.

The CDC gun study about lives saved by defensive gun use, the Left's Fake news media were silent about this.

Another example was when Leftist Prof Putnam did an exhaustive study on diversity (multiculturalism, high immigration, etc). He found it harms social capital resulting in distrust in society. Leftist Prof Putnam was so rattled by his findings that he initially withheld them.

Likewise for man made global warming. An Australian Leftist academic did a biased study that misleadingly claimed 97% of scientists supported IPCC claims. But few people heard about PBL's survey that found that only 46% climate scientists agreed with IPCC claims.
---Haz27 on 6/10/18


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: Haz, every time a study doesn't goes a Lefties way or view thought they bury the results.

You mean the same way that over 97% of scientists agree about that climate change is real, but conservatives bury all that and instead prefer the opinions of the 3% that happen to agree with them?
---StrongAxe on 6/11/18


Haz, every time a study doesn't goes a Lefties way or view thought they bury the results.

Such as abortion increases a woman chances of getting breast cancer by 200% or more.

Or having a gun in the home increases personal and public safety.

The CDC's gun study is a prime example.

If the study increased gun violence the media would have ran the study 24/7.
Plus the Government would have force schools to enter the study in text books for all ages.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/10/18


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AXE. Weve already discussed that CDC claim. It was a 2013 report issued in response to BOs Sandy Hook executive order for research into gun violence. The National Academy of Sciences observed that national surveys indicate guns are used defensively 500,000 to more than 3 million times a year.
Florida state criminologist, Gary Kleck says the MINIMUM number of defensive gun uses a year is 760,000 (roughly 2,082 defensive gun uses a day).

As for Marxist DEMs attack against the constitution, that comes through gradualism, like the gradual boiling of the frog. Thats why Lefties deceitfully argue its only about tightening up on checks...lol.

We saw the same boiling frog methods with LGBT agendas, abortion, etc.
---Haz27 on 6/9/18


StrongAxe, she should have done the whole 20 yrs.

She is the ONLY one claiming a warning shot.

Her husband and kids (you bet the kids sided with their father BECAUSE the article DIDN'T quote them.) states she shot towards the husband. No regards to the kids safety!

She didn't feel threaten. You refuse to acknowledge she GOT AWAY, but RETURNED with a GUN.

Everyone KNOWS you don't shoot a gun INSIDE a house.

Logic tells us she was shooting at her husband.

The warning shot story was the only idiotic excuse she could come up with to explain shooting the gun.

//CDC was forbidden from studying gun violence.//

Says who? They been studying gun violence with years and ESP. during the OBAMA years.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/9/18


Nicole_Lacey: The woman shot a warning shot ONLY. Served 6/20 years. Ever hear of parole?

Haz27:

What research would that be? Citations, not rhetoric. CDC was forbidden from studying gun violence. Only just allowed to do so since this March.

"the Left's attack on guns is ultimately an attack against the Constitution". The left want tighter background checks to keep guns are in the hands of LEGITIMATE owners and not criminals. How does threaten the constitution? We have the same kind of checks for driver's licenses.

Sending death threats and swatting (i.e. attempted murder) of Parkland students ARE FELONIOUS attempts by gun nuts to use children as political weapons.
---StrongAxe on 6/9/18


NICOLE. I see Lefties here are focusing on mistakes with guns (not unlike mistakes with cars, hot water, medicine cabinets, etc) in an effort to justify the Marxist Left's attack against the Constitution.

But just as cars, hot water, medicine cabinets, etc also save lives, gun research by CDC revealed up to 3 million lives have been saved by defensive use of guns.

But we all know that the Left's attack on guns is ultimately an attack against the Constitution, being that it was one of the Communist goals the FBI exposed.

Duncan's call to use children as political weapons to further the Marxist Left's political agendas, is the real problem.
---Haz27 on 6/8/18


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StrongAxe you and Samuel left out IMPORTANT details as usual

The lady got AWAY from her abusive husband and ran to her car to get her GUN. And RAN BACK INSIDE THE HOUSE. According to her husband she shot him and the kids. She claims she was giving him a warning shot. Really?

Which sounds more logical?

She could have drove away and shot in the air as a warning shot.

Why endanger the kids. His version sounds more credible.

The Judge explained it well that 'stand your ground' law doesn't apply in this case because it "is consistent with a person who is in genuine fear for her life."

BTW, she is free as of Feb 7th 2017, getting NOT 20 YEARS but 6 years MIXED with prison and HOUSE arrest!
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/8/18


Nicole_Lacey:

Google: florida woman garage shot

In 2011, FL woman Marissa Alexander got mandatory 20 years for firing a warning shot. NRA (predominantly conservative) did NOT help her like it always helps white people who use firearms in self-defense. She just got out last year.

FOUND it in a PUBLIC restroom.

Exactly! The gun-toting employee was careless with his gun, and left it in a public restroom, where anybody could find it and fire it (and that's exactly what happened). It was lucky nobody was injured or killed.

Lefties LOVE to leave out FACTS that CHANGE their statement.

125 word limit FORCES one to leave out most details, otherwise messages don't fit.
---StrongAxe on 6/7/18


Samuel, please cite your strange story.

What and how does her race have anything with an ex abusive husband?

Plus, why didn't she shot him instead of shooting in the ceiling if she was truly trapped?

Maybe her story wasn't true?

Plus, how do you know she was conservative?

Also how do you know NO Conservative came to her aid.

What happened to the Left? They claim they care about women and minorities?

Why didn't they come to her aid?

//She ended up in jail.//

Maybe because she was lying?

Please cite the story?
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/7/18


StrongAxe: If our primary line of defense is armed teachers, teachers must be armed.//

Who said primary?

How about metal detectors as the primary line of defense as they have in D.C.?

//If teachers are armed, SOMEONE must pay for arms.//

Again, you suggesting I WANT ALL teachers armed! WRONG.

I said allowance: meaning those who ALREADY OWN guns be able to BRING their gun to school.

//(What "allowance"? Who would pay for that?)//

Allowance as permission not money.

//Most teachers who are already underpaid//

They are paid more than firefighters.

They are underpaid in their own judgement. As fast food Servers think they are underpaid.

Ridiculous
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/7/18


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Nicole those on the right do the same thing.

In Florida a woman was being chased by her ex abusive husband. He cornered her in the Garage. She got her gun she kept there. Fired a shot into the ceiling to scare him away. But she was arrested for firing the shot.

She was black. No conservative came to her aid. She ended up in jail.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/7/18


StrongAxe: left out the teacher is also a Police Officer who purposely shot the gun at ceiling thinking it was unloaded in a gun safety class. USED twice

//Teacher left pistol in bathroom at Cumberland PA Christian School. Students found it. (NOT a lie)//

TRUE AND I APOLOGIZE!

But, that is ONLY incident I found. Gun shooters OUTNUMBER that that incident. No one die with the bathroom incident thank God.
But dozens HAVE DIED School shooters. Plus, MANY SAVED because Teachers HAD GUNS

//Parkland teacher left glock in restroom. Drunk homeless man found it and fired it.//

FOUND it in a PUBLIC restroom. Lefties LOVE to leave out FACTS that CHANGE their statement. See why I didn't believe you the first time?
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/7/18


Nicole_Lacey:

I was talking about gun ACCIDENTS with teachers. Google: teacher accidentally shoots gun

Sept 16, 2016. Teacher left pistol in bathroom at Cumberland PA Christian School. Students found it. (NOT a lie)

Mar 13. Seaside CA teacher accidentally fired gun in class while teaching firearm safety, injuring 3. (It WAS all over the news, even Fox news!)

Mar 14. School resource officer in Alexandria VA accidentally discharged weapon in school.

Apr 12. Parkland teacher left glock in restroom. Drunk homeless man found it and fired it.

Fox 10 news (no date given): Salt Lake City elementary school teacher was struck by bullet fragments when her gun went off in a bathroom.
---StrongAxe on 6/6/18


StrongAxe: there were almost weekly incidents of gun incidents at schools - most of them accidental.//

WRONG

The ones with no child being KILL was when a Teacher had a GUN to SHOOT the Shooter.

Couple were a Officer who wasn't afraid to engage the Shooter.

//One teacher accidentally left her loaded gun in the restroom and students found it.//

MAKE UP and a LIE to pretend people from wanting Teachers armed.

//One teacher was doing a firearm safety instruction demonstration and accidentally shot a student.//

REALLY? How come it wasn't all over the news? The Fake Media would have LOVED to run that story 24/7 instead of the stormy woman!

Gun Owners are NOT stupid with clumsy hand as you claim!
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/5/18


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Nicole_Lacey:

After the Parkland shooting, there were almost weekly incidents of gun incidents at schools - most of them accidental. One teacher accidentally left her loaded gun in the restroom and students found it. One teacher was doing a firearm safety instruction demonstration and accidentally shot a student. One droped his gun and shot himself in the foot. Such accidents will only increase if arming teachers becomes commonplace, and the more common they are, the more likely it is that one student or teacher, and eventually many of them, will die from such accidents.
---StrongAxe on 6/5/18


Cluny: Let's arm nurses to stop them.//

GREAT IDEA!!!!

Now you understand! But Liberals refused to allow Nurses to have guns as well

Even Veteran Nurse esp. at VA hospitals.

But NO, Liberals don't want ANYONE to be able to protect themselves!

There was a Shooter shot himself at our VA, but the Obama's Administration got the Media to CHANGE their reporting late afternoon to report the shooting happened outside and he came in for help.

We (employees) were ANGRY and SHOCKED how the FAKE MEDIA did exactly what Obama wanted. They didn't want to report the TRUTH.

Unfortunately a school shooting will happen before a hospital shooting.

Why don't you want kids protected as banks are protected?
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/5/18


Nicole, there are sometimes shootings in hospitals.

Let's arm nurses to stop them.

How's that for an idea?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/5/18


Cluny: Arming teachers in schools is an incredibly stupid idea//

Coming from a man who is nice and SAFE in his home during a school shooting!

What do you want the Teachers to do DURING the NEXT school shooter?

//Teachers are trained to teach, not be armed guards with the power of life and death over others.//

???? So you want only the Shooter to have the power of life and death over others?

Do you think there will NEVER be another shooter at school?

100% GUARANTEE there will be another school SHOOTING will HAPPEN! 100%

They have to be able to identify child abuse and report. Know what to do in a Tornado disaster, but nooooo you draw the line with a shooting disaster.

NOW THAT'S STUPID!
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/4/18


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Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote, But no one ever suggest Teachers HAVE to pay for these things. Just allowance.

Please tell me which of these don't follow, and why:
1. If our primary line of defense is armed teachers, teachers must be armed.
2. If teachers are armed, SOMEONE must pay for arms.
3. If our education system is so strapped it can't afford inexpensive school supplies but teachers must buy them from their own pockets, it certainly can't afford expensive weapons. (What "allowance"? Who would pay for that?)
4. If the school system won't buy weapons, teachers must do it themselves.
5. Most teachers who are already underpaid don't need yet another expense they can't afford.
---StrongAxe on 6/4/18


Arming teachers in schools is an incredibly stupid idea, Nicole.

Teachers are trained to teach, not be armed guards with the power of life and death over others.

Would you want such a responsibility?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/4/18


Samuel, this isn't really about who's job is harder, but to knock down StrongAxe constant complaints.

Every time gun control comes up his biggest excuse is how Teachers can not pay for the guns, insurance, shooting practices and etc. But no one ever suggest Teachers HAVE to pay for these things. Just allowance.

//I was just talking to those who were saying teachers have it easy.//

Which I never said they have it easy, but disputed StrongAxe' statement that it is physically hard.

I believe you all have it mentally hard which many times is harder than physically work.

//But trying to get 150 teenage students a week to listen and learn is not easy.//

Amen, if I was a Teacher I would be in jail right now.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/4/18


Nicole_Lacey:

Fine. You know everything better than I do. In this case, there's nothing that I could possibly say to you that could possibly be of any use to you, so there's no bother for me to even bother trying.
---StrongAxe on 6/3/18


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Agreed Nicole your job is hard or even harder than mine was.

I was just talking to those who were saying teachers have it easy. Yes Nurse's have it hard.

There are also others who have it hard too. So I am sorry if you thought I was saying teaching is harder then your job.

But trying to get 150 teenage students a week to listen and learn is not easy. Also grading 150 tests does take some time.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/3/18


StrongAxe, homework includes reading or calculations which the teacher goes over the answers in class and the KIDS checking their OWN papers.

//teachers must prepare lessons DAILY.//

How stupid do you think I am? The lessons are planned years ago. (New Teachers prepares before school starts) And must be APPROVED.

MOST of the time the lessons are ALREADY in the books which they ONLY HAVE TO follow.

And FOLLOW it year after year.

//You think taking work home so you have to waste your own precious time to do it is a luxury?!//

WHAT? So my TIME is different from a Teacher's TIME?

The last time I checked we both ONLY get 24 hours a day.

So yes, it is a privilege to be able to do WORK FROM HOME!
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/3/18


Nicole_Lacey:

Students may have tests once a week or once a month, but they have homework DAILY, and teachers must prepare lessons DAILY.

You keep missing my point. Regardless of how much work nurses have to do, they do it during their shifts, when they are on the clock, and paid for it by the hour.

In contrast, teachers have much work that they have to take home, and do it during their own spare time, and for which they DON'T GET PAID.

You think taking work home so you have to waste your own precious time to do it is a luxury?!
---StrongAxe on 6/2/18


StrongAxe and Samuel keep talking about grading papers at home. Children usually take a test once a week.

Well besides all the physical work a nurse has to do at work we have to chart at LEAST every 2 hours. More for blood and chemo transfusing. ICU every 15 minutes.

There is a legal statement for medical people: 'If it isn't documented it wasn't done.'

That is the reason Nurses do not have the luxury of taking it home. Plus, I know for a FACT other people grade papers for Teachers.

Teachers have TOLD me their children help them for a extra money or spouses. Even parents.

No one can document for Nurses.

Even medication has to be scanned in (documented) BEFORE given to patients to PROVE it was given.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/2/18


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StrongAxe: you give chemo and transfusions and other things, you do that on the clock,//

You got that RIGHT!

I don't have the LUXURY to go home as Teachers.

Teachers are salary paid.

Are you claiming Nurses WANT to STAY at work?

They have kids needing supper or picked up from school. If we could we would LOVE to take our work HOME!

//Those hours are NOT recorded, and teachers are NOT paid to do them,//

YES they are paid. Paid from home! They PETITIONED to take their work home years ago. They DIDN'T ALWAYS HAVE THAT LUXURY.

//yet they're still required to do all that work Do you see the difference?//

Yes, but you don't! They get 3 months and 9 days off with NO WORK. Nurses DON'T!
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/2/18


Nicole_Lacey:

When you give chemo and transfusions and other things, you do that on the clock, while you are at work. You clock in for those 12 hours, and you get paid for those 12 hours.

When teachers have to prepare lesson plans, and grade papers, they have to do that off the clock, at home. Those hours are NOT recorded, and teachers are NOT paid to do them, yet they're still required to do all that work. Do you see the difference?
---StrongAxe on 6/1/18


Samuel: I am a retired teacher.//

Note you are retired. I am talking about Teachers TODAY.

//One subject I taught in Middle School was Algebra. I had 150 students. I had to grade papers. Make lesson plans. Work to help the students who were not passing in classes of 30 or more students.//

Let's compare jobs.

As a Nurse-10 patients:
I had 1 on chemo drip, 2 getting blood transfusion, 2 post surgery, 1 confused trying to leave hospital, 1 on suicide watch, 4 bedridden. All on IV meds, po meds, needing bath, 4 assistance out of bed to chair and eating. All with one CNA helping. God help us if one codes (dies needing CPR). Or many on isolations for contagious diseases like TB, C-diff, MRSA and CRE.

Your point?
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/1/18


Cluny: teachers have to take work home with them--grading papers and writing lesson plans and such. They actually work 12-16 hours a day.
Do nurses have to take work home with them.//

No, we are NOT that fortunate. We CAN'T take our work home we HAVE TO STAY at work for 12-16 hours a day.

When there is a ice or snow storm Teachers DON'T HAVE TO GO TO WORK.

But, Nurses are taken to work by the Police, fire stations or State/Federal Officials by any means.

Or WORSE we CAN'T GO HOME. I have been TRAPPED at work for 36 to 48 hours, with ONLY 4 hours sleep/breaks with 12 hour work periods

I had 2 back surgeries to work. Back injury is the NO. 1 injury causing disability for nurses. NOT SO FOR TEACHERS.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/1/18


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Nicole, you talk about how much time teachers get off.

Trust me, you have NO IDEA how physically exhausting teaching actually is.

Furthermore, teachers have to take work home with them--grading papers and writing lesson plans and such.

They actually work 12-16 hours a day.

Do nurses have to take work home with them.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/1/18


Dear Nicole I am a retired teacher. One subject I taught in Middle School was Algebra. I had 150 students. I had to grade papers. Make lesson plans. Work to help the students who were not passing in classes of 30 or more students. I was told to make them like Algebra.

With my College Degree I was making less than 40,000 a year. My day started with helping watch over children coming into school in the Morning. I often had to patrol the lunch room. I stopped violent incidents by placing my body in the way.

Summers were often spent getting ready for next year or in classes to help keep my skills up to date.

To help support my family I worked summers to make extra money. If you think it is easy try it.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/1/18


Nicole_Lacey:

When government solution to school shootings is to have teachers arm themselves, teachers must either spend money to arm themselves, or be completely unprotected.

Many teachers do NOT own guns, and NOT know how to handle them, and do NOT want to be saddled with the responsibility of being teachers AND babysitters AND now also security guards.

Liability insurance, in case they accidentally shoot a student, because that WILL happen. It HAS happened.

If government solution is to arm teachers, shooters will ASSUME teachers are armed, making them targets.

Teachers must time to prepare lessons, grade papers, etc. They work more HOURS per year than average 40-hour-per-week employees.
---StrongAxe on 6/1/18


StrongAxe: ..teachers are also expected to buy expensive guns, ammunition//

No they are not. They don't have to buy gun if they don't wish to arm themselves.

Many ALREADY own guns and wish to bring their gun from home to school.

//gun training,//

Many gun Owners KNOW how to handle and fire a gun since they were a child.

//and insurance out of their own pockets too,//

WHAT INSURANCE? There ISN'T any insurance to buy.

That is Left dream requirement for gun owners.

You are making stuff up.

//..automatically put themselves at risk because they're armed?//

??? mixing open carry laws

No one would know that they armed. How is shooting a shooter a risk and NOT protection.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/31/18


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StrongAxe: Right now, teachers are overworked//

What? Overworked?

They get MORE vacation time than any other profession.

2 weeks for Christmas, 1 week in Spring, MLK, President's day, Memorial's day, Labor's day, Columbus's day, Veteran's day. 3 days for Thanksgiving. 2 MONTHS in the Summer.

Added them up. 3 MONTHS and 9 DAYS!

Please tell me of any other Profession that receive MORE that many days off with PAY?

You can't! Even in the Government nurses got 5 weeks off per year and THAT is a SWEET package deal!

Most people only get 2 weeks off.

BTW, Teachers send a list of supplies required by parents to BUY. Which parents CANNOT DEVIATE from that list. My nieces and nephews are in School.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/31/18


Nicole_Lacey:

Right now, teachers are overworked and underpaid, and even then have to pay for school supples out of their own empty pockets.

Now, those same teachers are also expected to buy expensive guns, ammunition, gun training, and insurance out of their own pockets too, and automatically put themselves at risk because they're armed? Maybe they should have to buy bullet-proof vests - just like many soldiers. Despite the billions of dollars the military gets, they were too cheap to supply their OWN SOLDIERS, so those soldier's moms had to buy them flack jackets.

I know some parents with kids in school, and also some teachers. I also taught once.
---StrongAxe on 5/28/18


StrongAxe, 70's and 80's drills where 'under the desk' to protect us from nuclear war from the Russians. (? desk vs nuclear bomb) Anywho, Democrats LOVED the Russians.

Now the Left forcing us to have shooting drills because they deny anyone from having guns making schools a SOFT TARGET.

//Yet you now expect THAT VERY SAME CHEAPSKATE CONGRESS to vote to supply weapons, ammunition, gun training and liability insurance for teachers, and to pay for armed guards in every school?//

I know you came from a Socialist Country, but HERE the Gov DOESN'T provide everything.

We take care of ourselves.

Buy our own guns and ammunition. No insurance.

If the Left stop taxing everything there is ENOUGH money
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/27/18


StrongAxe:..even supply pencils for schools..teachers have to pay for those out of their OWN almost empty pockets.//

Yet, they pay more than $100 in Union due fees.

Know a parent who has kids in public school?

They have to pay for NONSENSE that doesn't have anything to do with math, history, reading, spelling, grammar, social studies, or civics. Ask a Parent.

My Niece had to spend $12 per child to decorate a mother's day cake from Publix.

Guess what? Publix made a deal with the Teacher's union. $6 went to them and Publix keep $6. Same business for Valentine's day as well.

RIDICULOUS!

Why doesn't the Teacher's Union USE that money for school supplies?

Because they DON'T CARE about the kids!
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/27/18


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There are possible financial problems because of keeping children home.

At schools, children also can get killed because of making friends with someone who drinks and drives and crashes a car. And they can connect with drug dealing students, then die of an overdose. I would say that already more children are killed by car crashes and overdoses, than by guns. And parents are not in great numbers keeping children home so they do not get killed by drugs and drunk drivers.

I would hope that financial matters would not be the main thing which decides what people do with their children. I think some people will not let evil decide how they live their lives, and others trust the LORD with their children.
---Bill on 5/22/18


Nicole_Lacey:

Please explain which drills you mean (the ones in the 1950s? or do you mean more recent ones?) and explain how these are "the Left's fault".

Congress is TOO CHEAP to even pay teachers a living wage or even supply pencils for schools - teachers have to pay for those out of their OWN almost empty pockets. Yet you now expect THAT VERY SAME CHEAPSKATE CONGRESS to vote to supply weapons, ammunition, gun training and liability insurance for teachers, and to pay for armed guards in every school? Those who push that propaganda and expect it to be believed have been smoking too much gunpowder.

The Right protects children for the first 9 months. The Left protects them for the next 21 years.
---StrongAxe on 5/22/18


StrongAxe: What kind of society do we have where students FULLY EXPECT to be be shot at and maybe killed?//

The SAME society that frighten me with monthly nuclear bombing drills.

That's the Left's fault.

The same school had more kids THANKING the school for having drills weeks earlier.

They claimed the DRILLS SAVED their lives.

//Why don't you ask who will pay for FUNERALS for these children?//

Because you all REFUSE to put ARMED Guards at every school door. But you rather have armed Guards for your banks to protect your money.

But protect your kids? NOOOO.

The Left wouldn't protect them in the womb from their own mothers so WHY would you protect them from a stranger?
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/21/18


Nicole_Lacey:

Some students there said they weren't surprised. They EXPECTED it. It wasn't a question of IF. It was just a question of WHEN. What kind of society do we have where students FULLY EXPECT to be be shot at and maybe killed?

Why don't you ask who will pay for FUNERALS for these children? Fortunately, in this case, J. J. Watt, defensive end for the Houston Texans, a private citizen, has magnanimously offered to do so.

One teacher died because she recently took a second job teaching to pay for her dying husband's cancer treatments, because of our inadequate health insurance system.

But the Right wants to fix this by arming teachers. The Right do NOT care about children at all!
---StrongAxe on 5/21/18


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Rich Leftist people think it is so easy to play games with other people's lives.

1. Who will provide DAYCARE for these children?

2. Who will pay for the daycare?

3. If one of the Parent stays home to care for their own children will Duncan help pay their bills?

After all 1/2 income will be gone just because they followed his suggestion.

4. Are these Parents equipped to homeschool their children?

5. Any funds for private schooling?

Of course NOT to all of these questions.

His children or grandchildren are going to school Monday as in TOMORROW.

He just wanted you idiots to pull your kids out of schools for his political gain.

The Left do NOT care about you all!
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/20/18


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