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Christians on CN keep calling President Trump, but NOT a peak from them about Obama spying on Americans in his spygate scandal.

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Some of the things said here about English courts get things all wrong. The political activist was not put in jail for political reasons but for contempt of court. Judges protect the jury from influence and intimidation during a trial. The man jailed admitted what he had done was wrong. Going against court rules (like over reporting or identifying people involved in a trial) could mean a trial has to be stopped. It could stop criminals being found guilty of their crimes. I guess courts in America are different.
I thought I would say this, as people dont understand it. A lot of American news reports on the UK get things wrong. From Samuel
---Samuel on 6/10/18


jerry6593:

So what, now you're a psychiatrist capable of issuing medical diagnoses over the internet?

If she were insane, you couldn't infer ANYTHING from anything she reads or does. Either 1984 refutes your point, or says nothing. It can't PROVE your point.

As a Canadian citizen, I swear allegiance to the Queen. As a US permanent resident, I had to swear to uphold the Constitution (something natural born U.S. citizens are not required to do).

If Hitler twisted Darwin's teachings, that's not Darwin's fault, any more than Christians who twist Jesus' teachings are Jesus' fault.
---StrongAxe on 6/10/18


Jerry, Darwin is a THEORY....or are you saying its a fact you believe? I already said I don't believe in theories. With that, exactly what level of comprehension are you using here? OR did you think your smart remark was clever? It only made you look stupid.

But now that I think of it...you believe Adam and Eve were GIANTS , and through evolution man evolved into a smaller specimen ...so no Jerry, I don't believe in your theory of evolution either.
---kathr4453 on 6/10/18


ax: "Anyone who likes these books is someone who HATES communism and totalitarianism, not someone who LOVES them."

That would be true for any sane person, but Hillary is NOT sane. If you think she is, then perhaps your sanity should be questioned.

Do you swear allegiance to the US Constitution and the US Flag or to the Queen of England?


Kathr: "Hitler believed blacks were inferior humans and so were Jews. No FACTS to base theories on"

Hitler based his beliefs on the works of Darwin. Many Christians also believe in his works. Do you?


---jerry6593 on 6/10/18


Nicole, how does your theory apply to the rest of the world? How many schools around the world have Christian prayer in schools that don't have mass school shootings? And is abortion an exclusively American issue? So what countries who have legalized abortion and no prayer in school have mass shootings?

Just like Trump believing in conspiracy theories that the MOB invented and created a lie saying asbestos is nonsense, because the MOB wanted to make money off removing it....is equal to your theory. It's NONSENSE.

Just like the Conspiracy Theory Hitler believed blacks were inferior humans and so were Jews. No FACTS to base theories on, are just that...a THEORY that any given fool on any given day can create.

---kathr4453 on 6/9/18




AXE. The big government Left are renowned for their totalitarianism. Leftists from Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc, until today with the DEMs, European Union, Labor Party, etc, we see big government totalitarianism.

Consider also the FACT that the totalitarian Left also dominate the megaphones of society (Hollywood, media, universities, politics, Google, Facebook, etc), and just as in Orwells 1984, these institutions are controlling public debate/thought to manipulate and subdue the masses they seek to dominate.

The Conservatives and true liberals throughout the West support politicians like Trump, Pauline Hanson, Geert Wilders, LePen, etc because of the very obvious totalitarian threat from Leftists.
---Haz27 on 6/9/18


Haz and Jerry, you both are correct. Kids took guns to schools for centuries without using it on their classmates.

I believe making 'killing babies' by their OWN mothers legal and stopping prayers at school is the reason for the mass shootings.

Kids don't feel valued.

They see women celebrating and protecting this baby killing right.

They can't even turn to God (Who forbids killing) at school.

10 Commandments are removed because the grownups don't want them to make a connection with 'Thou shall not kill' with abortion that breaks that commandment.

If people on a Christian Website REFUSES to denounce Candidates supporting baby killings why wouldn't they deduct it being wrong to kill their classmates?
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/9/18


But Jerry, since 1975 we have all sorts of drugs kids have been put on, where 95% of these dangerous drugs are given to kids in AMERICA. Kiddy cocain....anti depressants and so on. AND this was part of the conversation about screening folks on these dangerous drugs that nearly ALL were on when these mass shootings took place.

So stick your commie comments up your nose....because AGAIN, it's ignorant rethoric we've all heard before, that does not solve the problem.

And while your at it...have a bowl of asbestos and bath in it as well, since Trump declared it SAFE. He's an expert on these things...so says Trump.
---kathr4453 on 6/9/18


jerry6593:

What is that quote from? I can't find it anywhere on this site.

1984 and Animal Farm and similar books are cautionary dystopian tales. Far from extolling the virtues of communism and other totalitarian societies, those books pointed out the clear and present DANGERS of such societies. Anyone who likes these books is someone who HATES communism and totalitarianism, not someone who LOVES them.
---StrongAxe on 6/9/18


Haz: Orwell's 1984 was the Hilldebeast's favorite book. I wonder why?

I wonder if our commie leftist friends can explain why after 500 years of the military use of gunpowder and 150 years since the invention of semi-automatic weapons, there was not a single instance worldwide of a mass shooting by a juvenile in a school prior to 1975. Maybe it wasn't the guns' fault after all.


---jerry6593 on 6/9/18




The problem with Haz27 and Nicole's comments on CN is this Presumptuousness that everyone here is either EXTREMELY to the right or left. Actually, I say the majority are in the middle, either to the right or left of the middle, but moderates for the most part.

So not sure exactly who their audience is...since is I see no EXTREMELY LEFTYS here at all. They being EXTREMELY RIGHT, can't properly gage a conversation with those moderates, because of some brainwashing issues they have been subjected to, and just shout out their bull horn attack on all without any dialogue.

Just look at Haz27's last comment. It doesn't even FIT into this conversation. It's just another memorized mindless comment he thinks sounds intelligent.
---kathr4453 on 6/9/18


Haz27:

Who among the left TODAY wants to be a dictator? However among the right, there's Trump. He praised China's election of a president for life, saying he hopes we can do that here too some day (in total violation of the constitution's checks and balances). He has said that he "deserves" to have at least two extra terms, like FDR, despite the fact that the 22nd Amendment was SPECIFICALLY PASSED to ensure that no president ever had that kind of power again. He believes himself totally above the law, in ways no reasonable leader ever does.

Yes, George Orwell warned of such governments, yet we see just such a government forming right now!
---StrongAxe on 6/9/18


NICOLE. True, dictator wanna be's are a big concern, and the authoritarian Left clearly fit that dictator mold, as their predecessors Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc proved.

George Orwell warned of a future with just such authoritarian governments, and many today recognize that the Left fit that Big Brother government in his novel 1984.
---Haz27 on 6/8/18


Sorry Nicole but others have stated otherwise. And you contradict yourself by stating you are a member of the NRA and how powerful they are. You are so DISENGENUOUS.

Argue all you want Nicole, but I'll take others word over yours any day of the week.

You just like seeing yourself in print, no matter what the subject. So contrary. And your rational over the term Roman Catholic is hilarious. Not any agreeing with you there either. You seem to have your own definitions of subject not all agree with you on.
---kathr4453 on 6/8/18


Nicole_Lacey:

Congressmen should listen to the wishes of VOTERS, not lobbies like NRA. They refuse to pass gun control legislation (NRA doesn't want it), despite MORE THAN HALF American wanting it. As you pointed out, the NRA is NOT a member of the government, and should have NO SAY in how it is run.

Which dictator wanna-be? The one here like that is Trump (wants to be president for life).

Lawyers know the law. If most unbiased lawyers say a thing, it's more likely that they're right than that a small number of biased ones saying the opposite.

Cite SPECIFIC "ink" saying a president can pardon himself.

You screamed about "fourth branch" without looking it up and understanding it's a METAPHOR.
---StrongAxe on 6/8/18


Kathr: but it doesn't mean what you want it to mean.//

It's what you want that doesn't matter. Wish all day, no 4th Branch.

//Just think, if the NRA kept out of the Government re guns,//

So your wishes surpasses my wishes?

I am a NRA member and THANK God they are stopping dictator want to be from infringing my 2nd Amendment!

//And look at the drug and healthcare lobbiests//

What about Alcohol lobbyists and Unions? They are stronger than the NRA with MORE MONEY.

PLAY the game not CHANGE the game.

BTW, are you mad that Alice Johnson a Black woman is pardon, but NOT Billy Clinton who was pardoned for a higher offense Cocaine drug trafficking? And by his OWN brother at that?
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/8/18


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StrongAxe: Trump and his lawyers claim he can pardon himself. EVERYBODY ELSE says he can't.//

So what! If the lawyers claimed the sky's official color is blue, but EVERYONE ELSE says it's official color is orange.

Am I to ignore my eye sight and BELIEVE EVERYONE ELSE? I believe the Constitution's ink.

//Would YOU have agreed if Obama had done it?//

Yes, as I did with his Executive Orders. IF asked if I like them? NO, as you wouldn't. But feelings shouldn't be injected in Governance.

//it's instructive to look it up, rather than raise your hackles and scream "YOU'RE WRONG!".//

I DON'T have to look it up because I learned my CIVICS in the 6th grade!

AGAIN, NO SUCH THING AS A 4TH BRANCH!
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/8/18


Wasn't there some King of England..One of the Charles, who was executed because he thought he was above the law...and this was when Kings had absolute authority in England.

Well, one thing Trump cannot pardon charges brought against him by States, which there are those too. Even Manifort can't escape those.

Plus if impeached before DT Jr is charged....he won't be able to pardon there. So no matter how you slice this pie....it doesn't look good. Just because OJ got off ....didn't mean he was free and clear of paying consequences in other court charges.
---kathr4453 on 6/8/18


Nicole_Lacey:

Trump and his lawyers claim he can pardon himself. EVERYBODY ELSE says he can't.

That would be the same kind of despotic power Roman Caesars exerted. It breaks the Separation of Powers. Do YOU think that is a good idea? Would YOU have agreed if Obama had done it?


When you hear a term you are unfamiliar with, or that might seem to contradict what you know, it's instructive to look it up, rather than raise your hackles and scream "YOU'RE WRONG!".

As kathr4453 pointed out, the fourth branch is an unofficial term, but lobbyists have much more influence over laws than voters do. It's a metaphor, like "fifth column" about people who attack a city or country from within.
---StrongAxe on 6/7/18


Nicole, sorry, but it doesn't mean what you want it to mean. The people, press, lobbiests etc do have influence over laws etc.

Just think, if the NRA kept out of the Government re guns, there may be laws passed making ar15 illegal for every day citizens to buy.

And look at the drug and healthcare lobbiests.....and extremely high cost of drugs....yes they have POWER, lining the pockets of our lawmakers. The unofficial means...IF FOR SOME STRANGE REASON THE GOVERNMENT MADE LOBBIESTS ILLEGAL..it wouldn't be the same as making one of the other three branches illegal.

Just look at Kim K personally influencing Trump on giving a drug dealer a pardon. She like you and I represent as well the 4th branch.
---kathr4453 on 6/7/18


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Kathr: the unofficial fourth branch of government//

Meaning there ISN'T a 4th branch.

That's like me saying: I am the unofficial home owner. In other words I DON'T own the home.

//..refers to a group that influences the other three branches of the US federal government defined in the American Constitution (Legislative, Executive and Judicial).//

Since you named the 3 branches of Government PLEASE name the so called 4th branch?

You see how the 3 branches have names, so name this 4th branch.

Only 3 branches. Ever heard of: By for people for the people?

Meaning the people vote for the 2 Branches of Government which the Executive branch appoints the Judicial branch approved by the voted Congress.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/7/18


In the American political system, the unofficial fourth branch of government refers to a group that influences the other three branches of the US federal government defined in the American Constitution (Legislative, Executive and Judicial). Such groups can include the press (an analogy for the Fourth Estate), the people, and interest groups. US independent administrative government agencies, while technically part of the Executive branch (or, in a few cases, the Legislative branch) of government, may also be referred to as the fourth branch.
---kathr4453 on 6/7/18


Kathr: that doesn't make me ignorant of how the three branches of government work. Like I said before, the 4th branch is the American people, who are allowed to VOTE on many issues.//

???

You properly state 3 branches then you say 4th branch proving you really don't know how our Gov works.

StrongAxe: Our president doesn't even do that. This week he boasted that he could pardon himself//

It seems as I said before you don't know how our Gov works.

Article 2 and section 2 states he CAN pardon anyone unless it involves impeachments.

Anyone includes himself.

If the Founders didn't want the President to pardon himself they would have written that along with impeachment, but they DIDN'T.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/7/18


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: Why don't you follow our Laws and understand how our 3 Branches of Government interact with each other?

Our president doesn't even do that. This week he boasted that he could pardon himself ("not that there's anything to pardon, as I've done nothing wrong"), which would strip the judiciary of its authority to try crimes, or the legislative branch to impeach.

He praised China's electing a president for life, and hoped that would happen here some day too. He told a crowd he "deserved" an extension of his presidency, maybe 8 years or more, to accomplish what he wants, like FDR had, even though Congress SPECIFICALLY passed the 22nd Amendment to ensure that never happened again.
---StrongAxe on 6/6/18


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mike: Thanks for the kind remarks. You are the poster child for the effectiveness of Communist brainwashing. Absolutely nothing you said is true.



---jerry6593 on 6/6/18


Nicole, I made a comment many feel ....that doesn't make me ignorant of how the three branches of government work. Like I said before, the 4th branch is the American people, who are allowed to VOTE on many issues. Even the American people can lobby for change on some of the laws. Even the 4th branch can take issues to the Supreme Court to have laws changed. ( Roe vs Wade)

And as the American People become more and more disenchanted with lawmakers who will not take them seriously, then the 4th branch..the American people CAN vote out those lawmakers and vote in ones who will listen.

I know you must think Trumps dictatorship is normal, but it's not.

Now who's ignorant?
---kathr4453 on 6/6/18


Nicole, ever heard of Tombstone Az? Do you know the true story of ( even way back then) they passed a law that you had to check in your guns within the city limits, because it was to dangerous for the citizens when these cowboys etc would come into town, get drunk or whatever. Even then Guns were a problem in the hands of those who were MENTALLY DEMINISHED, even due to alcohol.

And look at that FBI man who's gun went off while he was acting foolish and dancing around a crowd of people. Was he drunk? Yet to see.
---kath453 on 6/6/18


Kathr, ever heard of Mental Asylums? Plus, people carried their guns EVERYWHERE! Opened and in plain view.

//I believe because times have changed,...in our country need to revisit these old laws.//

Leftist's definition of a 'Living document' when speaking about the Constitution. An EXCUSE and WISHFUL thinking to change the Constitution.

//There are many old laws on the books that have never been changed and some are hilarious . Just seeing some of these we know need to be changed shows times have changed.//

???

It's called 'Congress doing their jobs'.

You are clueless how our Government works.

Why don't you follow our Laws and understand how our 3 Branches of Government interact with each other?
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/5/18


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StrongAxe: If it were a HIPAA violation, that would immediately have been brought out at the time the order was passed//

WE DID BEFORE AND AFTER!

Obama's administration did SO MANY illegal stuff during his 8 years of office. IRS, Fast and Furious that killed BP Agent Brian Terry. Benghazi killing 4 etc

You don't even know what HIPAA entails?

You need a COURT ORDER for medical records. Even when you want to SEE your OWN records you have to SIGN a 'MEDICAL RELEASE' for them to PRINT it out for you.

//ALL it did was provide access to records//

Did the you SIGN a medical release for Obama to have access to you records?

Sooo, we have to SIGN a 'medical release' to see OUR OWN records, but not Obama?
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/5/18


to jerry 6589

you are a hypocrite. BUSH LIED & thousands died about Iraq war.
and trump he is a patriotic(?) president when he colluded with the Russians. yeah right. typical when somebody disagrees with US they are labeled leftist communist, unpatriotic etc etc 'go back to your country'. GOP IS AS dirty as the other party.
---mike on 6/5/18


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: HOW DARE HE! That is a HIPAA violation.

If it were a HIPAA violation, that would immediately have been brought out at the time the order was passed, and the order would have immediately been declared illegal. Curious that it wasn't.

Why should anyone in the Government KNOW anyone's medical records if gun purchases isn't involved?

That's the whole point. This is SPECIFICALLY about gun purchases!

The Obama rule didn't create new law. It didn't deprive anyone of guns. ALL it did was provide access to records so that those who were in a position to enforce EXISTING LAWS (like the Brady Bill) had the proper information available to do so.
---StrongAxe on 6/5/18


When the constitution was written, there were no anti-depressant drugs or a recorded history of people going off the deep end because of them.

I believe because times have changed, and we having a real mental issue and drug problem in our country need to revisit these old laws.

There are many old laws on the books that have never been changed and some are hilarious . Just seeing some of these we know need to be changed shows times have changed.

Especially since we are seeing many of these mass shooters were on these drugs. I commend Obama for being proactive.

Haz27, Niccole and Jerry..SAVE YOUR PRERECORDED MESSAGE. Don't waste space repeating yourselves. We know the drill.
---kathr4453 on 6/5/18


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StrongAxe: Obama's rule required SSA administration to forward records of people with SEVERE MENTAL DISABILITIES to the FBI Background Check System.//

HOW DARE HE! That is a HIPAA violation.

Why should anyone in the Government KNOW anyone's medical records if gun purchases isn't involved?

Besides, Obama went above and beyond the Brady Law passed by Congress not by a SINGLE man.

The Brady law ONLY states a person DEEMED mentally ill by the Courts or committed into a mental institution can not have guns

Obama wanted anyone taking a anti-depressant drug from owning a gun. He wanted Government Officials to DECIDED if a person is mentally ill NOT the courts or a doctors who decides if the person needs commitment
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/4/18


Nicole_Lacey:

Google: obama gun control law mentally ill
Look at top articles from Snopes and Fortune.

Obama's rule required SSA administration to forward records of people with SEVERE MENTAL DISABILITIES to the FBI Background Check System. This wasn't about depriving SSA recipients of access to guns. This wasn't even about taking guns away from mentally ill people. It was about ensuring that SEVERELY mentally unstable people were vetted more carefully before being allowed to own guns. This didn't create any new laws. It just ensured EXISTING LAWS were enforced.

Allow other to be free? Just like the #MAGA Trump supporters who want to execute, imprison, or export liberals? Bigotry and intolerance exist at both extremes.
---StrongAxe on 6/4/18


StrongAxe, Trump's overturning Obama's executive order of SSA gun ownership. Which isn't a law. Executive orders are NOT laws.

Obama's executive order WASN'T about the mentally ill but gun control.
OB claimed you as a SSA recipient could not handle your finical affairs. So HOW COULD you handle a gun according to him.

//What defines "one of us"? If citizenship excludes me, it INCLUDES Obama.//

Not all Americans believe in the Free concept as you and Obama. For some reason it bothers you all to allow others to be free.

You have the need to control.
You are upset when other have more money than you and BELIEVE you have the RIGHT TO their money. So you believe in taxing more than necessary.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/4/18


JERRY. In all my encounters with progressive Left "Christians" I constantly find they virtue signal about all the fabricated issues that the deceitful Left declares are somehow priorities, BUT, they remain silent about important issues such as the Left's genocide of unborn babies.

Some of these progressive Left Christians even portray Jesus as a red Communist, with the USSR Hammer and Sickle logo, in spite of the fact that both National and International Socialism are renowned for being heartless, genocidal, authoritarian tyrannies.

Clearly the Left's dominance over the megaphones of society has been very effective at brainwashing even some Christians into supporting their evil political agendas.

---Haz27 on 6/4/18


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SAMUEL. I cant really take your concern about what the deceitful Left alleges are lies, seriously, considering that you repeat so many of the deceitful Lefts lies here.

AXE. STOP LYING!
From what I see the Lefts Fake News is addressing Trumps revoking of a BOs social security (vulnerable) persons gun ban. I saw no other gun ban for mentally ill that Trump revoked as you claim, unless you mention it by its title to differentiate it from the SS ban that removed 2nd Amendment and due process rights of vulnerable SS beneficiaries.

I suspect your fake news sources has confused you about BOs Social Security gun ban which targeted the VULNERABLE and people with disabilities (who are not crazy/dangerously mentally ill).
---Haz27 on 6/3/18


Obama and most of his senior officials are anti-American traitors deserving of the death penalty. Oh, that justice would be done!

Those of you lefties who consider Marxism-lite a good thing should consider the incongruity of such Democrat precepts as baby murder, sexual perversion, and the coveting of others' property with the precepts of Christianity.


---jerry6589 on 6/4/18


And now its come out that D.T. did pen DTJr. Statement re meeting with Russians. He lies through his teeth until he's exposed, then admits it...again with SD. And people want to attach some christian virtue to this? Satan is the father of lies and confusion folks. DONT LET HAZ27 AND NICOLE and JERRY'S SMOKE SCREEN block what is really going on.
---kathr4453 on 6/4/18


jerry6589 and Nicole_Lacey:

Which of "our laws" do you think I don't understand? Be specific.

What defines "one of us"? If citizenship excludes me, it INCLUDES Obama.


Haz27:

I NEVER called Social Security beneficiaries "crazy". STOP LYING!

Nicole mentioned ONE law forbidding guns to people on social security. I mentioned a DIFFERENT law vetting mentally unsable people owning guns. If your knowledge of American law or conversational language are so abysmal that you can't tell the difference, please learn some more before commenting.

Also, I said "crazy" to mean "mentally unstable", NOT merely "mentally ill". Learn the difference.
---StrongAxe on 6/3/18


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Well. I am not pushing fake news. Nor am I an Canadian. I am from Houston, Texas.

Trump lies most of the time. This is not a fake news statement. When he said he would help the Daca children one day. Then the next refused to. So is that not a lie. Saying you will do one thing then do another. Same with Gun control and many other points.

There are video's of him saying Mexico will pay for the wall. But now he wants us to pay for it. But he does not seem to want to fix the roads and our crumbling infrastructure. So why did he lie and say he would when he does not even try to?
---Samuelbb7 on 6/3/18


Jerry: Don't expect ax to understand OUR laws.//

True, I debate him to let those who read our comments the truth about our laws. Just in case they believe StrongAxe version of our laws.

Haz: AXE. You're still pushing the Left's Fake News lies. This time you label vulnerable Social Security beneficiaries as "crazy".//

Yes, he refuses to say mental illness. Leftists love to make fun of people when it suits them.

They claim to be compassionate, but as Jerry, you and I know Republicans are the 'TRUE' compassionate party.

As I told him he is so quick calling people crazy when didn't realize he is among the ones labeling himself crazy. As he has told us many times that he collects SS benefits.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/3/18


AXE. You're still pushing the Left's Fake News lies. This time you label vulnerable Social Security beneficiaries as "crazy".

Duke psychiatry professor Jeffery Swanson criticized Obama's ban on guns for Social Security beneficiaries (who you maligned as "crazy" people) who required help managing their finances, saying IT TARGETED THE VULNERABLE RATHER THAN THE DANGEROUS.

Why vilify vulnerable people as "crazy"?

No doubt the Left's Fake news has deceived you into making such derogatory statements against the vulnerable.

Trump's overturning of BO's gun ban that violated the Due Process rights of Social Security beneficiaries, was a correct move.
---Haz27 on 6/3/18


Nicole: Don't expect ax to understand OUR laws. He's not one of us. He's a Canadian - a citizen of a socialist country. Obama was likewise not one of us. He was an outsider with Communist intentions. Thank God we got rid of him and now have a REAL American for President. He is indeed making America great again, but the commies among us won't go down without a fight.


---jerry6589 on 6/3/18


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StrongAxe, 23 executive orders 2013 and the BIG one was 2016 SSA executive order

//One of his FIRST laws was to allow crazy people to buy guns//

NOT A LAW, but an EXECUTIVE ORDER. ONLY Congress PASSES LAWS. and ONLY the President makes Executive orders.

BTW, you do know you are calling yourself 'crazy'

Trump restored your rights and said you CAN manage your finances.

//Congress passed it, and Obama signed it.//

WRONG! Obama NEVER SIGNED a gun control law. NEVER!

The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act was passed in 1993 that states who is mentally ill NOT OBAMA who thinks he is god.

***Have been ruled mentally defective by a court, or are committed to a mental institution****
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/3/18


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: Obama said/did ACTIONS in his executive orders to CHIP away our 2nd Amendment. For some he took it completely away.

Which ones? Please be specific.

Trump DIDN'T! He even reverse Obama's executive orders to RESTORE the 2nd Amendment for certain Citizens on SS

One of his FIRST laws was to allow crazy people to buy guns, because that's SO important for us.

It was ALREADY a law!

Yes, because Congress passed it, and Obama signed it. That's how passing laws work.

One of the first laws passed by Congress was to cancel Obama's law to vet crazy people owning guns, and Trump enthusiastically signed it.
---StrongAxe on 6/2/18


StrongAxe: What part of "due process of law" do you not understand? //

What part of Words vs Actions do you not understand?

Obama said/did ACTIONS in his executive orders to CHIP away our 2nd Amendment. For some he took it completely away.

Trump DIDN'T! He even reverse Obama's executive orders to RESTORE the 2nd Amendment for certain Citizens on SS

//Obama signed a law that required more careful vetting of mentally unstable people owning guns.//

It was ALREADY a law!

//What is wrong with that? Yet one of Trump's FIRST actions was to repeal that.//

NO HE DIDN'T. Prove it! Besides Only Congress and the Supreme Court can repeal laws.

Trump can only repeal executive orders NOT laws.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/2/18


Nicole_Lacey:

What part of "due process of law" do you not understand? Do you despise the constitution as much as Trump does?

My point is, conservatives constantly whine about "Obama and Hillary want to take your guns!" yet they never said that. Only TRUMP did.

A better question. Why does Trump want crazy people to have guns? Obama signed a law that required more careful vetting of mentally unstable people owning guns. What is wrong with that? Yet one of Trump's FIRST actions was to repeal that.

Trump wants to cut food stamps, health care, meals on wheals, child health care, and school lunches. How is that NOT looking down on those dependent on the government?
---StrongAxe on 6/2/18


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StrongAxe: trump take guns due process later//

Yes, he recanted. So I have to be afraid of words vs actions?

Obama's DHS brought more than 1.6 BILLIONS of Ammo so Citizens could have any.

NEXT, Obama made 10 executive orders (REAL LAWS NOT WORDS)
preventing people on SSA from having guns. BTW, Trump had to ax the executive order ALLOWING those on SSA to buy guns.

So why does Obama NOT want poor or sick people to protect themselves? Thank God Trump believes all people are EQUAL and have the right to own guns.

Trump doesn't LOOK DOWN on those depended on the Gov like Obama.

//"I like taking the guns early, like in this crazy man's case that just took place in Florida//

Don't you AGREE?
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/1/18


SAMUEL. Please try to be honest. Fascists like the Socialist Hitler used Fake news to deceive, and we see same today from Leftist media.

You argued for the Left's deceitful cover up for the PAKISTANI MUSLIM rape gangs with the use of the label "Asian".
Such deceitful labels are also used in Europe for Muslim rape gangs.

No doubt Asians (Chinese, Japanese, etc) were offended that they were portrayed badly along with the dominant PAKISTANI MUSLIM component of the rape gangs.

I note how you avoided the fact that it took the Left's Fake News media (BBC, etc) years before they presented the rape gang scandal in the news.

I suggest you need to dig much further if you really do love the truth.

---Haz27 on 6/1/18


NurseRobert: "normal Americans"? I would love to know your description of a "normal American".//

People making LESS than $100,000 year. MOST making less than $50,000.

People who DRIVE their own car to get to their destination.

People who DON'T have body guards, and have guns to protect themselves instead of someone else surrounding them.

People who know what's on the menu at Wendy's and McDonalds. They don't need their Secretary to explain the menu.

People who are thrown into prison when they break the law.

People who goes to Walmart and Publix. They don't have someone doing their shopping.

I guess since you needed me to explain a normal American you are an elite American
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/1/18


whoever made this comment is a HYPOCRITE! 1st of all what about BUSH. this spying the americans started with BUSH but nobody got prosecuted. 2nd why is it when the GOP does like spying killing thousands of innocent people, war it is OK but when the democrats do it they are labeled leftist unpatriotic,etc etc. this website christianet is a GOP hypocritical 'christian' website.
---mike on 6/1/18


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Dear Haz. GOD loves truth. So do I.

You don't know who I listen too. But you assume that I only listen to leftist news and only read those sources. Which is a false assumption.

Using the term fake news to put down the papers is a tactic used by demagogues for decades.

Putin has done a wonderful job of doing that.

I researched your charge on the internet. Checked some sources. Pakistan is indeed considered an Asian Nation.

Other papers are reporting the story. Not just the BBC. Many mainline papers showed these events.

I am not arguing the events did not happen. I am pointing out you are manufacturing a cover up. That does not exist.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/1/18


NurseRobert, many around the world think Jerry Springer is America. No kidding. And now we have Americans saying The Roseanne show is average America. Hilarious. It might be average Alabama.
---kathr4453 on 6/1/18


OH my goodness. Now we have reality TV Kim K posing with Trump in the White House. Maybe she offered her behind to stand in for the wall. Shouldn't be offended...she loves showing it off to the world. Taking selfie shots of her self.....another "I am the center of the universe" person. It's funny how all these don't crash into one another but orbit around one another in their own universe.

What's next, Justin Beaber advising President Trump on Nuclear activity in the Middle East?

Will this three ring circus ever end?
---kathr4453 on 6/1/18


Normal Americans were happy with the Roseanne Barr SHOW. Not with Roseanne.

---Nicole_Lacey on 5/31/18

"normal Americans"? I would love to know your description of a "normal American".
---NurseRobert on 6/1/18


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Nicole_Lacey:

Google: trump take guns due process later

The Hill, 2/28/2018:
President Trump on Wednesday voiced support for confiscating guns from certain individuals deemed to be dangerous, even if it violates due process rights.

"I like taking the guns early, like in this crazy man's case that just took place in Florida ... to go to court would have taken a long time," Trump said at a meeting with lawmakers on school safety and gun violence.

"Take the guns first, go through due process second," Trump said.



The Roseanne show is acting. 2AM tweets calling a black woman an ape are not.

Calling your church Roman offends you, but calling black people apes does not?!
---StrongAxe on 5/31/18


Nicole, I'm not a follower. I don't like Roseanne Barr OR the character she plays. Why can't you get that through your head. There are many shows I do not like, and praise God, I have the freedom to not watch trashy tv and choose rather to spend my time doing something more Glorifying to the Lord.

So please, stop telling people to move to Cuba or Russia or whatever because they don't care for the show or the person. Accept the fact that everyone is not a clone of you.
---kathr4453 on 5/31/18


SAMUEL. You need to get out of the Left's echo chamber.

Fake news BBC, etc, in fact remained silent about the Muslim rapes gangs for decades. It's only after public pressure forced action that fake news BBC reacted.

The label "Asians" to describe the predominantly PAKISTANI MUSLIM rapists was a deceitful cover used by Leftists to protect Islam from criticism and also to keep the Left's Muslim voter base happy.

One social worker who wanted to go to the police about the Muslim rape gangs was even instructed by their supervisor not to, and then sent to cultural awareness training. This is how far off the rails the Left has steered the UK.

So again I suggest you stop trusting in the Left's fake news.
---Haz27 on 5/31/18


Dear Nicole I see you have swallowed the lies and half truths from the Alt Right.

Obama never tried to take away he first of second Amendment.The last Amendment to be repealed was Prohibition. It is not in the power of the President. You should read the Constitutions.

Trump has made more executive orders than Obama. DACA was upheld by the supreme court.

Obama returned money to Iraq that was held in our banks. He didn't give them money.

What Embassies have been closed by Trump?

Do you have that quote?

Thurgold Marshall made that quote not Obama.

An Atheist told me there are a thousand lies in the bible. When I checked for truth I found he lied. Check of truth. Look up your points. Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/31/18


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Kathr: I never liked the Roseanne show ...even the original.//

Neither did I. In fact I never saw an episode of the latest Roseanne show and few of the original.

It is ABOUT average Americans.

The Roseanne Show's Character ISN'T Roseanne Barr.

You are mixing the two as if they are the same.

Roseanne Barr is acting. Why can't you understand?

People were MAD because Barr played a certain type of character.

//If this is YOUR America....it's trashy. It's not mine.//

Well a Character who can SPEAK freely is my America.

If you love communism so much why do you move to Cuba or China. Plenty of Communist Countries to choose to live.

Stop trying to make America a communist Country.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/31/18


Nicole, I never liked the Roseanne show ...even the original. I never liked Roseanne's foul mouth or her disrespecting the National Anthem, grabbing her crotch and spitting...

If this is YOUR America....it's trashy. It's not mine. What I hate is the hypocrisy.
---kathr4453 on 5/31/18


StrongAxe, in America not Canada. It was Obama NOT Trump who tried take away the 1st and 2nd Amendment.

It was OBAMA not Trump who the Court system OVERTURNED unconstitutional executive orders more than any other President

Even the Supreme Court just recently ruled in Trump's favor.

OBAMA loved Dictators. Gave hundreds of millions of OUR money to Iran and made a STUPID nuclear treaty deal UNSIGNED by Congress to Iran. Opened Embassies in Dictatorship Countries which Trump had to close.

//He complained the constitution is outdated as it stops him from doing what he wants.//

Noooo, you are confusing Trump's words with Obama's words who said the Constitution was a living breathing document which should be UPDATED!
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/31/18


Well Haz who ever lied to you. Did a good job by mixing facts with lies. The Scandals were broadcast by the BBB and other English Newspapers. Is was not Muslims but people from India and Asian.

Do you remember pizza gate when Breitbart and Jones yelled their conspiracy nonsense.

There is no spygate. Even the Republicans are starting to ask Trump to quit lying. Just like he lied about being wiretapped.

The FBI was investigating Russians talking with People working with Trump.

Too many people live in Echo chambers today. We need to listen to all and check for truth.

Love GOD love others follow Jesus.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/31/18


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Kathr, please live in reality. Normal Americans were happy with the Roseanne Barr SHOW. Not with Roseanne.

We FINALLY got a show that represented a TRUE America.

Average people with family members with different political VIEW.

It was the character we identified with not the actress.

Trump was giving her CREDIT for bucking the Lefties RULES and SYSTEM.

For not being AFRAID for being FREE and doing WHATEVER she pleases.

THIS IS AMERICA!

Remember that line that non-afraid Americans use to said when they did or said as they pleased?

Maybe you don't because you NEVER said those words.

Kathr, you are FREE! Don't be afraid!

I understand StrongAxe being afraid, but you?
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/31/18


NICOLE. U.K is even being likened to Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia by Britains. The falsely arrested man was involved in exposing Muslim rape gangs who raped hundreds of thousands of British girls (as young as 11), which police, politicians, etc had willfully allowed for over 30 years. Fake news BBC also kept silent about the rapes.

Leftist authorities did nothing because Muslims vote Left, thus not wanting to upset their voter base. Also Muslims tend to dominate by threat of violence, which the police fear. In addition the Lefts PC racism played a part.

In Australia we saw protest rallies outside British consulates against Britains Fascist police state. The courts media gag order over his arrest has now been removed.
---Haz27 on 5/30/18


Nicole_Lacey:

Like a dictator, Trump's wilful disregard and/or contempt for the constitution make it impossible to fulfil his vow to uphold and defend it.

He complained the constitution is outdated as it stops him from doing what he wants.

He wants to muzzle and even remove credentials from journalists who disagree with him.

He likes China electing a president for life, and thinks we should try something like that here some day.

He thinks he deserves four terms in office, like FDR, totally ignoring the 22nd amendment that was SPECIFICALLY PASSED to make sure that never happens again.

He once tweeted, "Take their guns first, worry about due process later". (This was TRUMP, not Obama or Hillary.)
---StrongAxe on 5/30/18


Here's what is not surprising . Years ago Roseanne Barr disrespected the National Anthem, and was rebuked by then President Bush. That to me is far worse than taking a knee, which does not in my mind show disrespect, since taking a knee to Pray to God is not showing disrespect either.

So years later this same foul mouth woman is rebooted, who says she supports Trump, and low and behold all those conservatives and Christians years ago who couldn't stand her now think she is WONDERFUL, ( only because Trump gave her a voice ...blind leading the blind) only to show again her TRUE COLORS.

It's because Trump has given voice to these kind of comments that many make them thinking they are going to get cheered. WRONG.
---kath4453 on 5/30/18


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Haz: it's disregard for constant child rape by Muslim//

Did you hear about the Media black out ORDERED by a Judge in England?

A group of Muslims caught in 2012 has RUINING parties (their term for the parties not mine) where they would rape underage girls ruining their virginity.

A man was outside the court reporting on it and got 13 months jail time sentence.

Samuel: President TRump has given no proof of spies. He gave no proof of the wiretapping that proved to be false.//

What? Clapper admitted Trump was spied on and Joy (View) even said Trump should be happy they were spying on him. Joy and Clapper USED that word 'spy'.

Clapper was there and you were not so are you claiming you know more than Clapper?
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/30/18


Haz & Nicole: Such willful ignorance by Democrats only goes to show that Christianity and the Democrat Party are wholly incompatible.



---jerry6593 on 5/29/18


Proverbs 28:25 He that is of a proud heart stirreth up strife: but he that putteth his trust in the Lord shall be made fat.

I believe according to scripture that Trump is his own worst enemy. God works in mysterious ways. The Lord can use anyone and any means to break the back of the proud. God hates pride. Just look at all scripture that addresses the issue.

Yet we have folks here who want to blame this or that..and forget God is in control.

I've seen no one brag and boast and exalt himself above others like DT. It's odious not only to our country but to,the whole world. The Lord will NEVER assist the Proud in any way shape or form.
---kathr4453 on 5/29/18


NICOLE. In spite of Left's record of genocide, it's NAZI, KKK links, it's routine deceit, it's disregard for constant child rape by Muslim rape gangs who are important part of their voter base, and Obama's spygate, for the Left such evils are inconvenient facts to be minimized.

BO, the spy in chief, resorted to wire taps, Lies to obtain FISA warrants, the "Crossfire Hurricane" operation to spy on Trump campaign, illegal media leaks, etc.

Sad to see how the Left's brainwashed followers refuse to acknowledge the evil and corruption they support. But Russian KGB Communist defector, Yuri Bezmanov, warned that no matter how many facts are presented to such brainwashed people, it's unlikely they'll ever accept reality.
---Haz27 on 5/28/18


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Even RG admitted it was all for the purpose of derailing the investigation. You can only cry WOLF so many times before people catch on that its for one purpose only...to DEFLECT and cause confusion, not peace.

Now with more coming out on DT Jr., who knows what else they will come up with to deflect.

It's all a game to them. However our country is suffering in so many ways because of the proud. The Lord reminded me of Psalms 37. Especially verses 37:35-37.

This will come to an end...and will not be be the way many had hoped. Unfortunately this has ruined the Republican Party in so many ways.
---kathr4453 on 5/28/18


President TRump has given no proof of spies. He gave no proof of the wiretapping that proved to be false.

In his book Art of the Deal Trump bragged about lying as a way to influence people. So I know he has continued to do so.

Just recently it was shown that over 1,400 immigrant children were lost. Many others were sexually abused and beaten up.

Trump claimed it was the Democrats fault for a law they passed. But Sessions is shown on tape instituted the policy that Trump claims is a law from the Democrats. So Trump Lied. He lied about DACA. He lied about how many people showed up at his inauguration. He exalted himself in front of the wall of CIA agents who died for this country.

There is taped proof of his lies.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/27/18


NICOLE. Again more proof of how effective the thought control is through the Left's dominance of megaphones of society.

In Australia, for example, most are unaware Stolen generations is a Leftist propaganda lie.

In the U.K likewise we saw how the Left (Fake News BBC, politicians, police, etc) ignored the up to 1 million rapes of girls (as young as 11) by Muslim rape gangs. These authorities remained silent, and when members of the public protested they were silenced.
They've even arrested a few of those protesting against Muslim rape gangs, putting them in prison to be bashed or killed by Muslims there. Of course the authorities restrict and even ban news about this.

Typical of the deceitful totalitarian Left.
---Haz27 on 5/27/18


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