Asked For Help In Church
KarenD wrote: "why would you want the money to go to you? That is the first sign it is a con."
So, are you saying that your denominational "church" who receives money to help the needy is a con?
As a note: 85% of all donations go to help the denominational "church." 85% go to the maintenance of the hard assets (buildings, landscaping, yearly special events, etc.) and paper assets (insurance, contracts, stocks, bonds, legal, etc).
---Steveng on 2/3/19|
You wrote: I was not judging those "churches," I was just making an observation.
That is interesting, consider you have been constantly accusing people of being members of "worldly denominational churches" for years. By doing so, you have been constantly judging those churches. The fact that you put the word "churches" in quotes also indicates that even though you use the word "churches", you don't really consider them churches at all - which is also being judgmental.
---StrongAxe on 7/20/18|
StevenG....Since you say you are so well known in your community, why would you want the money to go to you? That is the first sign it is a con. No legitimate person would ask that donations go to themself instead of the person who needed them
---KarenD on 7/5/18|
You people are amazing. You really need to know the meaning of "judging" and how to use it.
I was not judging those "churches," I was just making an observation.
KarenD, why do you insist it's a "con job" when you don't know the whole story. That is falsely accusing someone.
---Steveng on 6/29/18|
\\Are you not judging me not to your liking for making a common sense decision according to the situation?\\
Well, Steveng. you judge everyone else for being members of what you call "worldly denominational 'churches'".
How does it feel to be treated like you treat others?
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/15/18|
Steveng, I am questioning your judgement on the Churches who didn't send you any money.
I even posted your own words judging and applying Scriptures of condemnation all because they DIDN'T send you any money.
You didn't answer me.
Jesus DIDN'T heal everyone, nor fed everyone in the world when you and I both know He could if He wanted.
Jesus had His reasons and we accepted the unexplained reasons.
But the Churches most likely may not have the capability as we know Jesus did but because they chose NOT to explain nor send you their financial spread sheets you assumed they were mean spirited.
Again, you refuse to acknowledge the possibility they are providing housing for several homeless people themselves.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/14/18|
Steven...Churches rarely give to a middle man in such a situation. Sounds like a con job to me when you want the money given directly to you. Not a sound ethical thing to do
---KarenD on 6/14/18|
Are you not judging me not to your liking for making a common sense decision according to the situation?
---Steveng on 6/13/18|
Steveng: Ideas are a dime a dozen, but unless you know the complete story you shouldn't be offering advise.//
I went on your OWN information you chose to tell us.
1st lets not forget it was YOU who decided to JUDGE several Churches for NOT giving you money.
//It's prophesied in the bible about how the love of many will fade in the end days - including christians - Steveng 6/3/18
Maybe they were already supporting hundreds of families without housing.
2nd you shouldn't JUDGE other Churches because they for their OWN personal reasons chose or couldn't give you their money. Matt 7:1
3rd, why don't you blame Jesus as a bad Person for NOT healing or feeding everyone on the plant when He had the capability.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/11/18|
Like I wrote "you don't know the full story." Ideas are a dime a dozen, but unless you know the complete story you shouldn't be offering advise.
This tells me about your bible understanding.
---Steveng on 6/11/18|
Steveng, you keep saying me, me, me and me.
You gave them all of YOUR contact information to donate to you to help the mother and the kids.
Your phone number, address, e-mail and option to speak to you before handing you their money.
A better way to ask for donation to help the lady was tell the Churches which landlord to send money.
Power company with the mother's name and apartment's address.
Send food, toiletries, bed sheets, and etc. to the apartment.
Children's clothing after they see the kids and verify their sizes.
You don't have to be the MIDDLE Man to the mother and kids.
But your demand to be the middle man every step of the way is what is concerning to the Churches.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/9/18|
You two still assume way too much. You don't know the whole story and it would take more than a blog to tell the story.
I only contact local churches so they can see for themselves the situation. I give my complete contact information (address, phone number, e-mail) and at the end of each letter I invite them to personally contact me before they "donate" or provide help.
Your lies and false accusations are nothing more than gossip that can be misinterpreted by others.
I suggest don't make any further accusations until you know the truth. Don't accuse people without evidence.
1 Peter 3:16
2 Timothy 3:3
---Steveng on 6/8/18|
Karen said it well.
If St. Paul worked as a tent maker why can't you and your group WORK to assist them?
Or OFFER a bedroom for them from your home?
Why not 2 bedroom apartment?
How is the mother to sustain the apartment?
Logic would suggest she was homeless in the first place because she couldn't afford any sort of rent.
California is an expensive place to live. Why didn't you all used the money to move her to another state that was cheaper to live?
Did you know that Montana is offering everyone $10,000 each to LIVE in the State?
Help her to get over there and support her over there until she can get on her feet.
(StrongAxe, meaning: capable of supporting herself, not standing up)
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/8/18|
Steven..I assume nothing. Experience has taught me NEVER to donate to a con man. Churches and non-profits are accountable to their leaderships. Denominations have checks and balances in their finances. The fact that you WILL NOT submit to a pastor tells me a lot.
---KarenD on 6/8/18|
Steveng: you assume way too much.//
But I see you haven't ANSWERED me?
Why not correct me here and now instead of being vague?
//I challenge you, like I have challenge many times in the past, to find out for yourself why things aren't always as easy as you think.//
Now you are really proving you might be con-artist.
//My challenge is for you personally to see for yourself the situation by visiting me.//
Should I visit you? Just EXPLAIN yourself.
Contacts to your Church?
How? You still won't EXPLAIN yourself.
//Be careful, your assumptions will be heard on judgment day.//
For what? Assuming you are not on the up and up?
Jesus instructs us to be watchful. Matthew 7:15
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/7/18|
Nicole, you assume way too much.
I challenge you, like I have challenge many times in the past, to find out for yourself why things aren't always as easy as you think. My challenge is for you personally to see for yourself the situation by visiting me. Or maybe you have contacts in your church that have contacts in the Pasadena CA area that will prove what I do and say is correct and needed.
Be careful, your assumptions will be heard on judgment day.
---Steveng on 6/7/18|
Steveng: This is why I chose local churches so that they can see for themselves the mother's situation. The money was to be sent to me as the mother didn't have a way to receive the money.//
That is crazy.
Why can't the mother receive the money?
Why can't you take the mother and let her HOLD the money?
Don't you see why they didn't give you any money?
That's sounds odd. It sounds as you are giving excuses for them to give you the money instead of the one needing the money.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/5/18|
This is why I chose local churches so that they can see for themselves the mother's situation. The money was to be sent to me as the mother didn't have a way to receive the money.
Read my previous post to find out the reason for the help. We raised $3,200 within our group to get her into a one bedroom apartment (California is not cheap), used furniture and groceries. The extra money was to go towards misc stuff women usually need.
---Steveng on 6/5/18|
This is usually the way people ask for help at church. When someone asks them how they are doing, they say something like, "Well, I'm broke cause I just spent my last dollar." Or they say, "Well, I won't be at church tonight because I don't have any gas." Or they come right out and ask for gas money, food money, etc. If there is a sincere need, we buy them food and put gas in their tank. We have had to ask several people not to PANHANDLE at church.
---KarenD on 6/5/18|
typical. the church will ask for money, volunteer work & other 'Christian assistance' that cost an individual TIME, money & effort providing those 'Christian assistance' but when YOU need help from the church especially stupid pastors they will slap you with one verse & hope it will work but if it does NOT, you don't have any faith. or why is it pastor beg for money to preach the gospel but it is free when you do work for the church Christianity is a BUSINESS
---mike on 6/5/18|
Laura...What kind of help did you ask for?
---KarenD on 6/4/18|
Laura, maybe the Church is broke.
You know at beginning they need help from you as St Paul did in the Bible
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/4/18|
Whom in your church did you ask?
What kind of help did you want or need?
And why are you always asking for help?
Glory to Jesus Christ!
PS--Do you mean that the worldly denominational "church" of Steveng did not help her?
---C on 6/4/18|
Steveng, did you ask the Churches to send the money to the mother or to you?
Do you know how many people put scams on Churches?
How are they to know you are not one of the scammers?
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/4/18|
Two years ago I sent a letter asking for a $30 donation to over 200 churches in my area thinking that only 25% would respond. The money was to be used to keep a mother and two children from living out in the streets until the mother got her monthly check.
Not one responded.
It's prophesied in the bible about how the love of many will fade in the end days - including christians.
---Steveng on 6/3/18|