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How To Confess Sin

Some folks confess sin to a priest, other folks confess sin in private before God. I notice a discernible difference after a confession. Sin becomes utterly sinful. I become aware of sin after a confession, I am ignorant of, before the confession.

What have you experienced after a confession?

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In Christ, you can forget the daily re-crucifixion of Jesus in the Mass, the works of penance, fasting, prayers of confession, and whatever other forms of suffering the old man tries to perform on itself.
Pleas won't save the man that is already dead. These are useless to rid you of your sins or your sin.
Christ dealt with ALL your sin problems by the cross.(Col 2:13)
He won't do it again.
Don't forget what Christ did for you, he not only died for your sins, but he died unto sin for you.
Thank God we are now no longer identified by our weak and useless, corrupt and sinful, old man, but are now identified with the Lord Jesus Christ and the reign of grace.
Christ gave us an Apostle as pattern, why not follow him?
---michael_e on 7/19/18


David I believe the Holy Spirit, our teacher as scripture states, teaches how to rightly divide the word of truth. I know today, that according to Colossians 2 the Church is not bound by the sabbath 7th day, I also know that I do not have to rely on a year after year for the atonement for my sin, as did those before Jesus death and resurrection....I know today I can eat pork and bacon if I choose to do so...i know the covenant God made with Abraham was not annulled when God gave Moses the law for Israel. I know Abel , because of his blood sacrifice was acknowledging he was a sinner and also,his sacrifice pointing to the Promised redeemer Hebrews 11..is the same faith we exhibit today, where that was ALL needed for salvation, INSTANTLY.
---kathr4453 on 7/19/18


Scripture teaches scripture David, mine comes from scripture backed up by supporting scripture. I don't put my faith in one verse without finding two or three supporting scripture witnesses.---kathr4453

Kathryn
But what about all the scripture...that opposes your doctrine. Will you just ignore it, or will you try to reconcile it?

I dont challenge you out of hate...or for the need of being right. I challenge your doctrine...and others doctrines, because I love you. If you work with me here, one day very soon, you will be very happy you did.
---David on 7/19/18


Scripture teaches scripture David, mine comes from scripture backed up by supporting scripture. I don't put my faith in one verse without finding two or three supporting scripture witnesses.
---kathr4453 on 7/18/18


So you claim you were growing in the Grace before being saved? ---kathr4453

Kathryn
Again, we live by different definitions of Grace. Mine comes from the teaching of Jesus Christ, yours from the teachings of men like Jimmy Swaggart.

I can see where you can get the idea that your not under Gods Law, but I ask that you read everything Paul wrote, not just what goes along with what Jimmy has taught you.


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---David on 7/18/18




Romans 5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

G. R. A. C. E.
GODS
RICHES
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Grace in the NT is not Gods good humor or even some word hard to grasp. There is no GRACE in the NT apart from Jesus finished works on the Cross. We grow in His GRACE is AFTER we are saved....not before. No one can grow in His Grace to some level and THEN God saves you. This is NOT scriptural.
---kathr4453 on 7/18/18


And by growing in his Grace, he eventually saved me. Not by Works, but by Grace. Which exactly what Jesus conveys in (John 14:21).
---David on 7/17/18

So you claim you were growing in the Grace before being saved? WRONG? We are saved BY GRACE through faith....it is a gift of God, not of works lest any man should boast.

You can't GROW in the GRACE and knowledge of Jesus Christ if you are not IN HIM ...and the ONLY way to be IN HIM, John 17....is to be Crucified with Christ and raised up together WITH HIM a New Creature, being baptized INTO His Body..ALA the Church, the BOC.

Hope you don't put ALL your faith in one verse you seem to be taking out of context. Most CULTS do this.
---kathr4453 on 7/17/18


The difference in the Old Covenant and the New Covenant is the old is based on IF YOU WILL, THEN I WILL. The New Covenant is based solely on I WILL. Even in the OT this prophecy of the NC is made clear. All you have to do is read Ezekiel 36 and circle every time the words I WILL show up. THEN go back and see if you find the word IF...stated many times under the Mosaic Covenant.

David says he's still under the OLD.

AND Gods promise to Abraham was NOT based on IF you will....

Also GRACE under the NC is the CROSS..that is the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. We are saved by the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ..which includes His Blood. Hebrews 2:9, 1Peter 1:10-12, Romans 5, Romans 6:1-23, Galatians 2:20-21.
---kath4453 on 7/17/18


Kathryn
I only claim credit for seeking out a relationship with God. Through this relationship, I came to love God. And because I loved God, I kept his commandments.

And because I kept his commandments, he loved me. And because he loved me, he saved me by removing that which caused me to do evil/sin. In other words, I was saved by The Grace of God.

My obedience to God didnt save me, it brought me into his favor. And by growing in his Grace, he eventually saved me. Not by Works, but by Grace. Which exactly what Jesus conveys in (John 14:21).
---David on 7/17/18


David, I don't disagree with your statement. However, I believe its the power of God working in us to will and to do of His Good pleasure, conforming us to the image of Jesus Christ, and is the work of Christ in you, being changed from Glory to Glory by THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD. 2 Corinthians 3. So I give the Glory to the Lord. Are you claiming credit?
---kathr4453 on 7/15/18




You are being dishonest here, trying to hold on to some idea that everyone is wrong here but you. YOU keep changing your position.....I call a dishonest discord.
---kathr4453 on 7/14/18


Kathryn
My belief, has not changed about the importance of confession of sin before God. Im trying to gain an understanding, of why others who do not believe as we do, confess before Priests.

In my life, after carrying a grudge against someone who has wronged me in some way, I have definitely noticed a difference after I have forgiven them. The anger I have felt towards that individual, instantly disappears, and is replaced with a love for the individual. I believe that to be the power of God.
---David on 7/15/18


David, you are being dishonest here. You asked a question COMPARING confessing to man vs confessing to God. You defended confessing to man. You argued with me that I said we ONLY confess to God. I said our forgivness is based SOLELY on the finished works of Christ. IF you KNEW what that meant...it INCLUDES the Blood of Christ.

YOU argued with me against my ststement.

Go back and REREAD your posts David.

You are being dishonest here, trying to hold on to some idea that everyone is wrong here but you. YOU keep changing your position.....I call a dishonest discord.

You've totally mocked everything you say you believe in.
---kathr4453 on 7/14/18


Just because you see the word "commandment" doesn't necessarily mean the 10 commandments given to Moses. ---kathr4453 on 7/11/18

Kathryn
I have never said, we are under the Law of Moses....have I?
The Law we are under, is the Law of Christ. Where does this Law come from? (Hebrews 10:16) says God will write his Laws upon our hearts.

This is why I want you and others, to try confessing your sin before God. I just hope you give it a try. This seems to be the missing link in the church. Billions have turned to God, in the hope that they may find in God.

But they try finding God in one of many of the man made doctrines. Not finding what the Bible has promised, they turn from God. I want them back!!!
---David on 7/14/18


Jesus taught, " abide in me and I IN YOU as YE can do nothing of yourselves. I believe Paul,John, James and Peter as well as whoever wrote Hebrews also teach this very truth. One needs to be IN CHRIST and Christ IN THEM for these works of FAITH

I still don't understand what you are arguing about. The works are works of faith....just as James shows.

Just because you see the word "commandment" doesn't necessarily mean the 10 commandments given to Moses. Abraham also obeyed before any commandments were established....one being the sacrifice of Isaac. That was FAITH, Abraham believe in God would raise him from the dead. ALso through that Abraham saw the death and resurrection of the promised messiah.
---kathr4453 on 7/11/18


Kathryn
The New Testament is only one doctrine, not the many it has become. What we believe to be the Truth, must fit what is taught throughout the New Testament. If it doesnt, its not the Truth.

The majority of the church, believes Works has nothing to do with salvation, even though the Bible teaches God will judge us by our Works.

But, They dont teach these parts of the Bible. Unfortunately for them, I do.
---David on 7/11/18


David, I have no problem with your verses posted, and do not see a contradiction against what I posted. Maybe you need to read Romans 10 from the beginning. You have 2 choices here, establishing YOUR OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS = disobedience, or submitting to the righteousness of Christ...called OBEDIENCE LEADING TO ETERNAL LIFE. So did you think Paul was contradicting himself ? Absolutely not.


David THE GOSPEL is Jesus died and rose again for the forgivness of sin. Obedience is FAITH in Jesus death and resurrection life believing HE died for your sin, and rose again for your justification. May also want to read Philippians 3.....an awesome chapter.
---kathr4453 on 7/10/18


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The message of salvation is made clear from God today. Spoken prayers, water baptisms, public confessions will not earn you one step closer to salvation. Instead salvation rests upon the work of Christ on the cross on your behalf as they have been confessed by the divine inspiration of our apostle Paul.
Stop trusting your display of confession and start solely trusting in the words of Gods grace towards you in Christ, the hope of glory (Rom 4:24-25, 1 Cor 15:1-4).
---michael_e on 7/10/18


Salvation is solely based on forgiven sin.FAITH.---kathr4453 on 7/10/18

Kathryn
Paul disagrees...
(Romans 2:5-9) 5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds 7 To them who by patient continuance in well doingseek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile,
---David on 7/10/18


David, what I believe is based on the word of God I have personally lived out and am still living it out. Salvation is based on the finished works of Christ and Christ alone. I already said this earlier you objected to. Salvation is solely based on forgiven sin. We are forgiven based on our faith in Jesus death and resurrection as is stated not only I the Gospels but Romans 10:9-10 and 1 Cor 15:1-4. BASED ON WHOSOEVER WILL. GRACE is the cross, not God picking and choosing.

Now you must be talking about sanctification....that I also believe is based on Faith...2Peter 1, Hebrews 10....both neither Paul wrote.

You seem to overlook Romans 6 and WHY Jesus died and rose again. And Romans 6-8 is again FAITH. OBEDIENCE OF FAITH.
---kathr4453 on 7/10/18


There is no way David anyone through any WORKS can born again themselves through works. ---kathr4453

Kathryn
Salvation is not by our Works...Grace is. This is what Jesus taught In (John 14:21-23). God decides, who will be saved, and that decision is based on his Grace.

Protestant teachings do not teach this, though both Jesus and Paul did. How does someone Grow in Grace according to your teachings? Jesus and Paul both taught....You will be judged according to your Works.

I am not asking you to believe me, I am asking you to believe them.
---David on 7/10/18


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David, I believe John 3, the whole chapter is faith based and not works based. Even the example of Moses holding up the serpent in the wilderness, which Jesus was the one showing this parallel shows FAITH, and not works.

I also believe Matthew is KINGDOM LAW and not GRACE and for a different time, that it will be implemented during the 1000 year reign.

There is no way David anyone through any WORKS can born again themselves through works.

Everlasting life is given ONLY to those FORGIVEN of sin.
---kathr4453 on 7/9/18


Michael E said, "Both Catholic and Non-Catholic churches think they are Israel and follow Peters priesthood and Johns confessional, not understanding forgiveness in the dispensation of grace."

The Catholic Church does NOT teach that the Church is Israel. Nor do they teach either Dispensationalism or Covenant Theology.

Rather, Thus the Catholic Church, not being constrained by the new theological systems of dispensationalism and covenant theology, is able to avoid the extremes of both while it acknowledges the truths both containas it has since before either was invented.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/9/18


Our forgivness is not dependent on our works, but the works of Jesus Christ.---kathr4453 on 7/5/18

Kathryn
My doctrine, is based on the one given by Jesus Christ in his Gospel. Your doctrine is based on the Epistles of Paul. This is why your doctrine, teaches against the one Jesus Christ taught.

Oddly enough, Pauls Epistles are founded on the Gospel of Jesus Christ too. This being a fact, can you show me where Jesus Christ taught your no works doctrine?
---David on 7/7/18


She immediately went from being a witch, to being one of the sweetest people you would ever want to meet. She was also a devout Catholic woman, so she probably spent many hours in a confessional.

She forgave this man and God finally forgave her. For me, this is the only plausible explanation for her transformation.
---David on 7/3/18

Nice story David, but I can't help but notice these last two paragraphs are your OPINION, not FACT. PROBABLY AND PLAUSIBLE are opinions...

Our forgivness is not dependent on our works, but the works of Jesus Christ. She may have been RESTORED to fellowship, an entirely different issue. We forgive BECAUSE we have been forgiven. Sounds like she had a lot to work out.

---kathr4453 on 7/5/18


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Was she reconciled with her husband?---Cluny on 7/2/18

Cluny
No one in her family, including her grown children, would have anything to do with her for many years. But after she forgave the man, who murdered her son, the family she lost returned to her. This included her husband.

She immediately went from being a witch, to being one of the sweetest people you would ever want to meet. She was also a devout Catholic woman, so she probably spent many hours in a confessional.

She forgave this man and God finally forgave her. For me, this is the only plausible explanation for her transformation.
---David on 7/3/18


\\Im sorry you disagree, but I think the power of God was at work.
---David on 7/1/18\\

I agree with you, David, that God was at work here.

Was she reconciled with her husband?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/2/18


Both Catholic and Non-Catholic churches think they are Israel and follow Peters priesthood and Johns confessional, not understanding forgiveness in the dispensation of grace.
If the work of the cross were truly finished, why the need to continually confess to get forgiveness?
When our faith is solely in the complete work of Christ, we have already been forgiven for Christs sake through his blood (Eph 4:32, Rom 3:24-25).
Continually confessing sins for forgiveness is actually confessing inability to rightly divide Israel from the boC
Compare John's confession concerning Israel with our
apostle, Paul's confession concerning the boC
---michael_e on 7/2/18


For a saved man to pray for forgiveness is to ignore Christs blood on the cross.---michael_e on 7/1/18

Michael
Jesus supplied the sacrifice for your sins, not the confession. This is where I like the Catholic attitude over sin, verses the Protestant attitude.

The Protestant believer seems to think Christ died giving them a license to sin. The Catholic believer may confesses sin before the wrong Priest, but they know sin needs to be confessed.

Michael, let God show you if I am right or not. Confess your sin before God, and see for yourself. After the prayer, you will see sin in the light of God. There is a Stark difference between sin hidden in the dark and sin seen in Gods light.
---David on 7/2/18


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Well, David, you said the man became a Christian. Are you sure the woman wasn't already? So we do have God in THIS story correct? But you said nothing about God being in your other stories. So why have you changed the context here in THIS story to make a point. THIS story was not the context of the other.

I'm sure even the unsaved can forgive, but if they remain unsaved ...they are still unsaved. So either the woman was saved, became saved, or is still unsaved. Yet the man, even without her forgivness is forgiven by God.

And Michael_e.....Love IS saying your sorry. Saying you are sorry IS confessing your sin. Hopefully you DO tell your wife or kids you are sorry when you offend.
---kathr4453 on 7/2/18


There's no more pitiful tradition than a saint who understands the message of the cross asking God for forgiveness.
It's tragic that saints forget Christ died once for sins and they were crucified with him.
The blood of Christ once appropriated by faith forgives all your sin, imputes to you Gods righteousness, and places you into the boC.
The proper attitude towards your sin is, stop it by reckoning yourself to be dead. (Rom 6:7,11) Then thank God for his kindness and mercy.
For a saved man to pray for forgiveness is to ignore Christs blood on the cross. Paul writes that we have already been forgiven! (Eph 4:32, Col 2:13)
Your prayers have been answered. Take it, believe it, and thank God for the forgiveness you have in Christ!
---michael_e on 7/1/18


Kathryn
Many years ago I knew a man who killed someone. He sat on death row for 20 years before he was executed. During those 20 years he became a Christian, a devout man of God.

Before he was executed, he asked the mother of the man he killed, to forgive him. He made this request, because the mother of his victim was so full of hate for him, it cost her a marriage and had ruined her life.

She begrudgingly went to see him, intending to display her hate for him, but ended up forgiving him on that day. The women said, the hate she felt for the man left her immediately. She even grew to love this man, like a son.

Im sorry you disagree, but I think the power of God was at work.
---David on 7/1/18


David, I've forgiven more times that I can count of people who have hurt me or offended me and truly sinned against me, without them ever asking me for forgivness. Personally I don't want someone to ask me to forgive them ...I would rather just have someone say " IM SORRY" and let it just be that. Putting the responsibility on me to forgive is not their place. And it is no substitution for asking the Lord to forgive. Telling me they are sorry is their place, and what I Do with it is between me and the Lord.

Some do it JUST like a 12 step program, ( asking for forgivness) thinking that gets them back in with God RATHER than really wanting reconciliation....and is a total turn off to me.
---kathr4453 on 7/1/18


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(James 5:16) Confess your tresspasses one to another..

Cluny
I admit this passage does talk about confessing your sins one to another, but it doesnt mention that a Priest needs to get involved.


Kathryn
I agree a prayer of confession before God, is not the same as confessing sin to someone you may have sinned against. But....When Jesus taught us how to pray, he said to forgive those who trespasses against us.

How can you forgive them...unless they confess those sins to you? You may call this result psychosomatic, I call it a blessing.

I believe the difference in a confession of sin before God, you are not just forgiven, but you are also washed in the blood of Christ.
---David on 6/30/18


Good point Kathyr
---Samuelbb7 on 6/29/18


...And the people confessing to those crimes have told me, they feel relief the moment they do confess. The relief comes because they have been forgiven.

They are sentenced for the crime so forgiveness doesnt come from the judge. Where does that forgiveness come from?
---David on 6/29/18

Well if they didn ask God through Jesus Christ...who knows. You never once said they confessed to God. And you seem to be saying even those who don't even believe in God still feel forgiven? Good for them, HOWEVER, the Holy Spirit convicts of sin....and it is sin against God that one confesses TO GOD. And then God through Jesus death and resurrection forgive sin. Everything else is PHYCHOANALYSIS...HUMANISM.
---kathr4453 on 6/29/18


Cluny, praying for someone is still praying to God the Father through Jesus Christ. And scripture says we pray according to Gods will. Secondly, I have never asked someone to pray that God would forgive me for something. I know according to Gods word that I can go directly to the Lord for forgivness, and He is faithful and just to forgive.

However, praying for for others for health issues, family, friends etc is still praying to God through Jesus Christ..and every one of us can do just that. It takes no special person with some title man had given. The least of the least can pray for anyone or anything. However asking for forgivness or confessing can only be done by the person guilty.
---kathr4453 on 6/28/18


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Kathryn
Millions of folks confess their sins to a Priest. They share their deepest and darkest secrets with this Priest. I find it hard to believe they dont feel some relief when doing this, else why would they bother to share these secrets, secrets they wont share with another living soul?

I was once in Law Enforcement. And I know Many crimes are solved because folks confess to a crime. They do this, because they need to rid themselves of their burden of guilt. And the people confessing to those crimes have told me, they feel relief the moment they do confess. The relief comes because they have been forgiven.

They are sentenced for the crime so forgiveness doesnt come from the judge. Where does that forgiveness come from?
---David on 6/29/18


\\Now no confession to a human can give you that, \\

That's not what James 5 says. Have you read it?

If you believe that Jesus is our only mediator, as you wrote earlier, does this mean that you never ask other people to pray for you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/28/18


It's the blood of Jesus that purges our conscience from dead works to serve the living God. It's the Cross of Christ and our death with Him where we die to sin Romans 6. And our life IN HIM that we find the riches that are in Christ Jesus.

Now no confession to a human can give you that, anymore than going to phychoanalysis can. It may help from a humanistic viewpoint, but has no POWER OF GOD that only comes through Jesus Christ. No scripture supports God giving any human that power. Hebrews 4. Hebrews 10. Opinions don't matter here. TRUTH ONLY MATTERS HERE.

David, if you want to know personally, you go confess to a priest and then YOU tell us what difference YOU feel. However FAITH is not about feelings.
---kathr4453 on 6/28/18


I have only confessed to GOD. Through my High Priest and Savior Jesus Christ.

I have experienced relief and a lifting of a burden. I know my savior loves me and will save me. Because he died for me.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/28/18


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When I confess to the Lord I feel cleansed and peace with God. I can't imagine a human having that power over or in me.---kathr4453 on 6/27/18

Kathryn
During my years as an agnostic, my experience, after the confession of sin, lead me to seek out the God of the Bible. And I have successfully used the experience of confession of sin, before God, to cause others like me to seek him too.

I honestly didnt ask the question to argue about priesthoods, but rather the experience folks had after confession. Whether it is before God or an earthly priest. I have never confessed my sins before a priest, so I dont know what they experience, but I would be interested to find out.
---David on 6/28/18


David, yes I agree with that statement, and today the ONLY Priest we confess our sin to is Jesus Christ, the ONLY intermediary between God and man.

When I confess to the Lord I feel cleansed and peace with God. I can't imagine a human having that power over or in me.
---kathr4453 on 6/27/18


To answer David's "why" question:

Protestant translators of the Bible, including the KJV, had an axe to grind.(BTW, contrary to a rumor, there were NO rabbis involved since there were no Jews in England.)

Catholic translations, such as the Douay-Rheims, render PRESBYTEROS as priest, which can be seen in James 5.

The notes of the Orthodox Study Bible (which uses the NKJV NT) will support what I am saying.

And yes, Jesus DID establish a priesthood, that is an ordained ministry or HIEROSYNEISIS, starting with the Apostles. But it's only because there is grace in the priestly people of God that the ordained priesthood of deacons, presbyters/priests, and bishops makes any sense.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/27/18


David, according to Hebrews Jesus replaced the OT Priesthood alone. ---kathr4453 on 6/26/18

Kathryn
I agree, but some have the idea Jesus incorporated a priesthood, one much like the Levites. One which is of made up of many Priests. The Pope presenting himself to be the High Priest.
---David on 6/27/18


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\\Cluny
If the word translated into English, is Priest, why didnt the folks who translated the Bible into the English language, use your translation of the word? Why would they use two independent words if they are one and the same?\\

The word that the KJV NT translates as "priest" is HIEREVS, which refers to the Jewish cohenim.

Curiously enough, HIEREVS is the word used in Orthodox Creek liturgical books for the priest who is actually celebrating a service.

In the Orthodox ordination rite, Presbyter and Priest are used interchangeably.

Don't you just hate it when I don't roll over when you fire your shots?

Glory to Jesus ChristQ
---Cluny on 6/27/18


The Greek word PRESBYTEROS (usually rendered "elder) in English Bibles, through the middle English form "prester" is where we get our modern word priest.---Cluny on 6/26/18

Cluny
If the word translated into English, is Priest, why didnt the folks who translated the Bible into the English language, use your translation of the word? Why would they use two independent words if they are one and the same?


NT Priests are ordained to serve God in the New Testament, and afterwards. OT priests lost their charism when Jesus rose from the dead.---Monk_Brendan on 6/26/18

Brendan
According to your doctrine, but not according to the Bible. If I am wrong, Where does the Bible teach this?
---David on 6/27/18


David, according to Hebrews Jesus replaced the OT Priesthood alone. The Apostles did not. Today Peter states the Church, the whole of the Body of Christ is a royal priesthood. And is not a comparison to the OT priesthood. Again Jesus alone replaced the OT Priesthood...not the apostles.
---kathr4453 on 6/26/18


David said, These Priests still had authority over the Jewish people, as seen in the book of Acts. These Priests came into the church and eventually took over, mixing the Old covenant with the New covenant. This is why Paul had to teach against the Law of Moses.

This is a false comparison. The priests of the OT have nothing to do with NT priests.

NT Priests are ordained to serve God in the New Testament, and afterwards. OT priests lost their charism when Jesus rose from the dead.
---Monk_Brendan on 6/26/18


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\\\Cluny
When Paul wrote to the church in Rome, to any Church, did he mention the Priests? Did any writer in the New Testament mention the Priests in the church? \\

Yes, they did.

The Greek word PRESBYTEROS (usually rendered "elder) in English Bibles, through the middle English form "prester" is where we get our modern word priest.

In fact, the Canonical (as in canon law) word for the second major order between deacon and bishop IS presbyter.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/26/18


So, the gates of hell prevailed against the Church after all, and shortly after Pentecost, the Church ceased to be guided by the Holy Spirit.--Cluny on 6/25/18

Cluny
When Paul wrote to the church in Rome, to any Church, did he mention the Priests? Did any writer in the New Testament mention the Priests in the church?

Now if they had control over the church during the time of the apostles, dont you think they would be mentioned somewhere, by someone, in the New Testament?
---David on 6/26/18


The parable of the wine skins, (Matthew 9:17), came true.
The New wine skins are the Lords Apostles, the Old wine skins are the Priests from the Old Covenant. The wine is the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
---David on 6/25/18

Interesting. Never heard that before. Also the new represents the NEW CREATURE, and the old represents the old Adam. The wine represents the blood of Jesus Christ who made the NEW CREATURE even possible. AKA Saved by Grace, and how it is impossible to mix law and grace. The LAW only applied to the old Adam. And the blood of bulls and goats only covered, and never made anyone PERFECT....only the New Creature is PERFECT In Christ Jesus.
---kathr4453 on 6/25/18


\\Cluny
If you study the book of Acts, seems the church went off the rails long before the reformation.\\

So, the gates of hell prevailed against the Church after all, and shortly after Pentecost, the Church ceased to be guided by the Holy Spirit.

All these horrors despite Christ's promises to the contrary.

Is this what you are saying?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/25/18


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Cluny
If you study the book of Acts, seems the church went off the rails long before the reformation.

In the Gospel of Jesus Christ, did he appoint Priests or Apostles to teach his New Covenant? There were no Priests in the Church until (Acts 6:7).

These Priests still had authority over the Jewish people, as seen in the book of Acts. These Priests came into the church and eventually took over, mixing the Old covenant with the New covenant. This is why Paul had to teach against the Law of Moses.

The parable of the wine skins, (Matthew 9:17), came true.
The New wine skins are the Lords Apostles, the Old wine skins are the Priests from the Old Covenant. The wine is the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
---David on 6/25/18


\\ We are divided, because most doctrines are not founded upon the Truth...the Gospel of Christ.\\

The doctrines of the Orthodox Church ARE founded upon truth.

It's post=reformation churches that are wrong and rejected sound doctrine.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/24/18


How about the doctrines to which YOU subscribe, David?---Cluny on 6/22/18

(1 Corinthians 1: 10) Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you,

Cluny
In your opinion, are we united or divided? We are divided, because most doctrines are not founded upon the Truth...the Gospel of Christ. If they were, we would be one.

I follow the Gospel of Christ...and if I find a church teaching which can not be found in the Lords Gospel, I know it is a false teaching. How can you know a lie, lest you measure it against what you know to be the Truth?

If you believe in Jesus, trust in his word.
---David on 6/24/18


I do know that St. James links healing to auricular confession.---Cluny on 6/20/18

BCV?


James 5:14-16
---Monk_Brendan on 6/23/18


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\\I like to engage folks as followers of Christ and not to the doctrines to which they subscribe.\\

How about the doctrines to which YOU subscribe, David?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/22/18


Nicole
I am not Catholic or Protestant. When asked, I simply call myself a follower of Jesus Christ. Church titles cause a separation between the followers of Christ....and very the teachings of Jesus Christ.

I like to engage folks as followers of Christ and not to the doctrines to which they subscribe.
---David on 6/22/18


It's in chapter 5, David.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/21/18


I do know that St. James links healing to auricular confession.---Cluny on 6/20/18

BCV?
---David on 6/21/18


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\\ I dont know the limitations of your church teachings.\\

I don't know the limitations of your church teachings, either.

I do know that St. James links healing to auricular confession.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/20/18


"What have you experienced after a confession?" Forgiveness.
---joseph on 6/20/18


David, Matthew 6:6 is NOT about confessing your sins to God alone, as can be seen from the context, but rather about keeping your devotions private....Cluny

Cluny
Forgive me, I was trying to lead you to your answer. I dont know the limitations of your church teachings.

In (Matthew 6:9), Jesus instructs us to pray to the Father in Heaven. In that same prayer, Jesus instructs us, in verse twelve, to ask our Father in Heaven to forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors.

The debts to which he refers, as explained in verse fourteen, are trespasses. What is a trespass? Is it not sin?
---David on 6/20/18


"What have you experienced after a confession? Forgiveness
---joseph on 6/20/18


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//You don't actually think that YOU can, michael e, do you?//

Of course I can, do you want me to help you?

//How about St. James, when he said that auricular confession is connected with physical healing?//

Without right division you wont make it past the first verse of the book. The first verse is a clear and inspired statement of audience:
James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting. James 1:1
---michael_e on 6/19/18


NurseRobert, I asked David and refused to answer.

BTW, no Catholic who is truly 'concern' about his confession would come on a Prostestant website (who do not believe in confessions) for advice.

That's like me going to Afghanistan website asking the men should I wear my dress above the knee or below the knee? And would I go to hell for for revealing any part of my leg?

Really?
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/19/18


David, Matthew 6:6 is NOT about confessing your sins to God alone, as can be seen from the context, but rather about keeping your devotions private.

Try again. I'm waiting.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/19/18


I don't think David is even Catholic.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/18/18

What a wonderful thing to say... Care to back up your statement?
---NurseRobert on 6/19/18


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David, please give BCV where the Bible says to confess your sins to God alone.---Cluny on 6/16/18

(Matthew 6:6)
---David on 6/19/18


I don't think David is even Catholic.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/18/18


\\Those who continually confess their sins for forgiveness are confessing their inability to rightly divide the ministry of Peter and John from the ministry of Paul.\\

You don't actually think that YOU can, michael e, do you?

How about St. James, when he said that auricular confession is connected with physical healing?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/17/18


onfessions always appeal to a covenant promise, and never to the finished work of the cross. If the work were truly finished, why do we need to continually confess to get forgiveness?
To those who put their faith solely in the complete work of Christ, we have already been forgiven for Christs sake through his blood (Eph 4:32, Rom 3:24-25).
Those who continually confess their sins for forgiveness are confessing their inability to rightly divide the ministry of Peter and John from the ministry of Paul.
---michael_e on 6/16/18


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David: I become aware of sin after a confession, I am ignorant of, before the confession.//

Are you Catholic? If you are you should speak to your Priest instead to Protestants on a blog.

But I will let you know you are not responsible for sins you were not aware about at the time of confession.

If the sins are not grave/moral sins but venial sins they will be forgiven when you receive Holy Communion.

If the sin is grave/moral then you should return to Confession as soon as possible. Do not receive Holy Communion until you go back to Confession.

If you are not sure ask your Priest. Go to confession again.

//What have you experienced after a confession?//

Closer to God and relief. Lighter.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/16/18


David, please give BCV where the Bible says to confess your sins to God alone.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/16/18


The question was not about how to confess sin, its about your experience after the confession of sin, whether it was before an earthly priest or before God.

I wanted to know if anyone else has had the same experience I have had. In my experience, I become extremely sensitive to sin right after the prayer. A sensitivity which was not present the moment before the prayer.
---David on 6/16/18


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