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Cluny:

As I understand it, Obama era policy was to take children into custody alone if they arrived alone, but not to separate families arriving together.

Regardless of this, INS is under the jurisdiction of the Justice department rather than the judiciary, so judiciary rules do not apply. Accused are not required to be supplied counsel, and most can't afford one. Children usually appear without representation. Just last week, a 1 year old child appeared before a judge without counsel. This is outrageous! Rather than address this, Trump is CUTTING funds to legal representation of detainees, despite his pledge to reunite families. More lying propaganda.
---StrongAxe on 7/12/18


Cluny, only in very rare circumstances, of someone having a criminal record, and very few at that. That has already been hashed out. Neither did what Trump and Sessions did here.....and that is a fact. If you are reading or hearing differently, then you are watching FAKE NEWS.

Neither Obama or Bush for one made it a FEDERAL CRIME for crossing the border, neither had a zero percent tolerance program that took EVERY child away no matter what for the purpose of inflicting pain and punishment on anyone either seeking asylum or crossing illegally.
---kathr4453 on 7/12/18


\\at not even Bush or Obama or ANY Dem or Rep before this would ever do. \\

As a m atter of fact, kathr, children were separated from their undocumented immigrant parents during the Obama administration. Oddly enough, NOBODY said anything then.

Try again.

Glory to Jesus Christ!!
---Cluny on 7/12/18


WOW, I find the timing of this wonderful tragedy interesting. And finding the news outlets prioritized their programming to the situation in Thailand. How our hearts went out to the parents...the unconditional love shown to every and all, no blame game at all. How I BELIEVE the Lord held off the rain until the 12th HR...the remaining seals escaping as the pumps broke down...oh my and I know the answered prayers from those all around the world...LOVE.

And then there is Trumps America where still thousands of children are separated, and many maybe forever, because of this loveless, thoughtless thing.....that not even Bush or Obama or ANY Dem or Rep before this would ever do.

What a contrast....and the contrast hit me hard.
---kathr4453 on 7/11/18


And his pride will not correct course. Just look at the horrible situation with these children taken from their parents....cruel, evil, and something he and Sessions just made up on the fly.....( no paper trail, no organized record keeping proves that) and then had the audacity to use scripture to back up their evil deeds. Even with all the back lash, both Rep and Dems, he keeps repeating .....ITS ILLEGAL BLA BL BLA. He could care less about the emotional damage he has inflicted...a cold hearted sociopath. And hen he wants to act like he cares about abortion....yea right. NO those who care about LIFE care about ALL LIFE. And believe me, Trump would never even think of laying down his life for another, as we just saw in Thailand.
---kathr4453 on 7/10/18




Cluny:

Trump once said "Take their guns first, due process later" - showing contempt for both 2nd and 4th amendments.

Trump praised China for electing a president for life, and said we should try that here some day. He also told a crowd that he "deserves" 12 or 16 years. Both show contempt for the 22nd amendment that SPECIFICALLY prevents a president from having more than two terms, as a reaction to FDR.

He swore an oath to uphold and defend the constitution, yet he repeatedly demonstrates that he either is woefully ignorant of what it actually says, or deliberately holds it in contempt. Regardless of which of these is true, they both show that he is unable and/or unwilling to deliver on that oath.
---StrongAxe on 7/10/18


\\Steveng:

Trump has sno respect for 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 22nd amendments so far.\\

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, StrongAxe, but how has Trump no respect for the 2nd (right to keep and bear arms) or 22nd amendment (president limited to 2 terms)?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/10/18


Steveng:

Trump has sno respect for 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 22nd amendments so far.


Haz27:

The Bible consistently equates life with breath, and commands a life for a life - yet if a pregnant woman interferes in a fight, and miscarries, the penalty is whatever the judge decides, and the trial of a pregnant accused adulteress results in the abortion of the unborn if she's guilty. These both indicate that the bible ifself does NOT consider babies to be fully human before they are born.

These are not leftist arguments. These are BIBLICAL arguments.

I also never said the plight of the unborn is not important. I DID say that claiming to be pro-life and caring for them while not caring for the living is hypocrisy.
---StrongAxe on 7/9/18


AXE. Like I said before, the command of Jesus is that we love others (John 13:34), and love does no harm to another (Rom 13:10), hence we should not kill unborn babies or anyone else for that matter.

But you offered the Left's OT misuse of the SPIRITUAL law (Rom 7:14), which neither you nor the Left understand (Isaiah 29:11-18, 1Cor 2:14, Matt 13:13-15), to justify abortion.

You also used the Left's argument about at what stage a fetus is considered human.

And then you also used the Left's argument of deflection that let's not focus on (the politically inconvenient) plight of the unborn being slaughtered whilst there are children in poverty, etc (that can be used as a political weapon for the Left).
---Haz27 on 7/9/18


Has it occurred to anyone that the liberals/democrats have been progressively destroying the US Constitution since the 1930s? And, for the past decade, has been exponentially chipping away at the US Constitution - the only obstacle from completely taking over the US.

It seems Satan has the same idea. It's prophesied that Satan will wreak havoc like never before since his time on earth is very short.
---Steveng on 7/9/18




CLUNY. Read my post again. I was addressing AXE about his constant arguments justifying abortion.

Only the first part of my previous post was addressing you.

If you recall my previous posts I even supported your activism against abortion.
---Haz27 on 7/8/18


Haz27, you have told so many lies about me and people I know, that if you were to come to my door saying, "For God so loved the world...", I wouldn't believe you had I not read it for myself.

Henceforth, I shall ignore everything you say.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/8/18


Haz27:

The right's major argument is that the Bible unequivocably condemns abortion, but I just proved that isn't the case by using scripture itself.

Just which of the "genocidal left's" arguments to justify abortion have I used? The left's major argument is that it's "a woman's right to choose". Nope. I have not used that one. Which one have I used? Don't just make blanket accusations. Be specific.
---StrongAxe on 7/9/18


\\
And don't forget you claim to be anti abortion, yet you consistently use the genocidal Left's arguments to justify it.\\

You're a liar, Haz.

I have NEVER justified abortion, not even a little bit of it.

I was named as a defendant in a $39 Million lawsuit by the abortuaries for merely praying silently across the street from them.

What have you suffered for the pro-life cause?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/8/18


Ayn Rand was a Russian immigrant who, disgusted by toxic extreme left Marxism, developed her toxic extreme right Objectivism. She was very pro-capitalism, despising working people, religion, and the welfare state. She died alone, hypocritically using the very public assistance she preached against. She wrote "The Virtue of Selfishness" outlining her philosophy - diametrically opposed to Jesus' "Love thy neighbor".

Republicans constantly praise her and her philosophy. She is one of Paul Ryan's favorite authors.

I discovered yesterday that Anton LaVey, founder of the Church of Satan, said his religion is just Objectivism with a bit of ritual thrown in.

Republicans and Satanists think the same way!
---StrongAxe on 7/8/18


Monk_Brendan:

In theory, it would require repealing the First Amendment. In practice, all it would require is for Congress to pass a law muzzling the press, Trump to sign it, someone to challenge it, and a conservatively-lopsided Supreme Court to say it's constitutional - the same way they approved the blatantly unconstitutional Japanese American internment during WW2.

Screaming "IMPEACH" will do little good when the House that would vote to impeach and the Senate that would vote to convict were both the ones that passed the muzzle law in the first place.
---StrongAxe on 7/7/18


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Cluny. 1950's JFK praised Socialist Left Nazism. 1930's Socialist Left NAZIs looked to DEMs for inspiration on race based policy, etc. In 1950's/60's it was DEMs who led opposition to civil rights acts.

AXE. Leftists lure people into destructive welfare dependency which ensures their supportive voting bloc.

In Aust the Left drive the high energy costs with their global warming alarmism, harming the poor, industry, jobs.

And don't forget you claim to be anti abortion, yet you consistently use the genocidal Left's arguments to justify it.

The Left dominate megaphones of society, deceiving the naive, and persecuting those who expose the Left's lies.

The heartless, deceitful Left = evil.



---Haz27 on 7/8/18


StrongAxe said, "Of course not. The first stage is to polarize the population. Once the entire population believes that the press is the enemy, THEN they get suppressed, and the public will cheer rather than protest. THIS is how tyranny starts."

Axe, to remove the protections of the Constitutions from the Press would require the overturning of the 1st ten Amendments of the Constitution. Even the most conservative citizen of the US would not stand for that. This is another case where I would be screaming "IMPEACH!"
---Monk_Brendan on 7/7/18


Haz27:

Not all Democrats are neo-Marxists - only the ones on the extreme left. Not all leftists are extreme.

Republicans are puritanical. They support less government - EXCEPT in areas that could even remotely be considered "fun", like sex/reproduction and drugs. They want to remove environmental regulations, letting companies pollute our shared air and water, which will lead to disasters like Flint and Fukushima, but steadfastly oppose legalization of marijuana that has proven medical benefits. Why? Fake fear-mongering about being a dangerous gateway drug (it isn't), and it could cut into profits of their pharmaceutical industry supporters, and more efficient hemp fiber products could threaten lumber industry profits.
---StrongAxe on 7/6/18


Haz27, you did not grow up in the US South.

I did.

In the 1950's in the South, Republicans were considered liberal, and Democrats were conservative.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/6/18


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And as we see, this Religious Right will ALWAYS pick some cause to hide behind..re "abortion" is one. It doesn't matter how ungodly the RR are, if they can harp,and harp and harp on some religious cause, they will pull the wool over your eyes. Well, actually the wool,is over theirs, because if you took abortion OUT of the equation, they would only find ANOTHER. then ANOTHER AND ANOTHER. I guess their preprogrammed spewing of the same ol same ol will still apply to e next issue.

Now here we have Ireland, a predomitely Catholic Country who voted for legalized abortion. How exactly did the lefty commie Nazi Marxists get a hold of them?
---kathr4453 on 7/6/18


AXE. The neo Marxist DEMs are not liberals. If you ever get a chance to break free from that Leftist echo chamber you rely upon you'll find liberals saying they do not identify with the Left with all it's bigotry and hate.

The status quo that Conservatives rightly supports includes Christianity, constitutional rights, pro-life, pro-family, pro-traditional marriage, self respect, less government, etc, all of which the totalitarian neo Marxist Left seeks to remove as some kind of "necessary change".

Pharisees, KKK DEMs, NAZI's, Stalinists, etc all fit with the Left of today. Bigotry, hate, persecution, murder, racism, sexism, deceit, hypocrisy, etc is at the core of such authoritarian groups.
---Haz27 on 7/6/18


AXE and Co. Left does =evil.
Theyre liars, totalitarians, genocidal (as proven by their baby slaughter today, and Leftist leaders like Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc).

As for your verifiable facts, Ive seen such straw man tactics often from the Left where they twist the truth to fabricate their message of demonization.

As for Lev and abortion, your spiritual ears and eyes are closed (Matt 13:13-15) which is why you fail to see the physical parralel of the spiritual law (Rom 7:14) being played out through the physical Jews, who were an example to mankind, failing under the law.

Of note is your continued attempts to justify the Lefts genocidal baby slaughter.
---Haz27 on 7/5/18


Haz27:

Conservatism idolizes the status quo. Liberalism embraces necessary change. Pharisees, King George, Democratic slaveholders and KKK were all conservatives. Jesus and his long-haired anti-establishment hippie disciples, the Founding Fathers, and abolitionist Republicans were liberals.

Today, liberals and conservatives still exist, but they wear the opposite colors from 150 years ago. Today, white supremacists are Republican conservatives. You are so caught up with the gnat of the labels, you swallow the camel of the behavior those labels represent.

Watch the news. There are many cases of white people phoning the police for "barbecuing while black", etc. and ALL of those white bigots are #MAGA Republicans.
---StrongAxe on 7/5/18


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Haz27:

I cite multiple VERIFIABLE FACTS, and still you call me brainwashed. There are tweets. There are audio recordings. Yet you still don't believe. As Jesus said to the Pharisees, "you wouldn't believe even if someone rose from the dead".

I quoted THE BIBLE's requirement for abortion in one situation (proving that the Bible is not universally against it). Does this mean the Bible is left? Your own "rabid hate" of anything left would make you reject anything left, even if came from God himself!

You assume "evil=left", and then use that twisted assumption to equate every evil in the world with the left. That just isn't true. The fault is in your initial assumption.
---StrongAxe on 7/5/18


And here we have HAZ 27 as a brainwashed mouth peace for the Religious Right exactly the way it's suppose to go. This propaganda machine has been pumping out this garbage hate since the Moral Majority formed...making those horrible godless Dems the enemy of anything God.

The problem is the BEAST is put into power by the APOSTATE religious right...Christians who are so steeped in POLITICS making war against anyone who stands in its way.

THIS IS NOT THE GOSPEL FOLKS, OR ANYTHING EVEN REMOTELY RESEMBLING THE NT.

WAKE UP.
---kathr4453 on 7/5/18


CLUNY. White supremacism was a core principle within the DEMs during their KKK, slavery heydays.

Considering the Left's racism of lower expectations for brown skinned people these days, we see their white supremacism continues under a different guise.

But, of course, white supremacism is one of the usual deceitful slurs the hate mongering Left's Fake News media and politicians etc use to attack others.

Also, the Left's divisive identity politics encourages black supremacism as another political weapon to divide society.

So again we see it's the Left who cause the polarization of society.

---Haz27 on 7/5/18


Axe... Haz is just an old may who repeats himself. Left is bad, media is bad, right wingers are great people.. oh yeah, left is bad.. He loves to ignore facts.
---NurseRobert on 7/5/18


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Continuing....

Just remember the Salem Witch hunts and false accusations the Puritan Calvinist's accused even their own elect....also turning neighbor against neighbor re Reporting to authorities anyone who put up a Christmas tree ETC. THis LEGALISTIC OT eye for eye mentality...accusing and abusing anyone who disagreed ( as even John Calvin was guilty of....) also referencing Geneva backlash when church tried to control state....ended in a bloodbath. WHY! Because God does NOT jump to mans misconceptions of HIS WORD.

Also we see FOX NEWS, and other extreme right media controlled by RELIGION..... A FALSE religion. The Glen Beck's as well ....all believe in a KINGDOM NOW THEOLOGY...THEOCRACY mentality.
---kathr4453 on 7/5/18


AXE, SAMUEL. You guys are what KGB Communist defector Yuri Bezmanov described as "brainwashed useful idiots" for the Marxist Left.

The Left are like the boy who cried wolf too often. The constant barrage of lies against Trump from the Left's Fake News and DEMs (which you guys always repeat) only ensures that your claims cannot be trusted.

You guys don't even recognize your own contradictions, such as AXE who professes to be anti abortion, yet he always uses the heartless Left's arguments that justify abortion.

The Left's rabid hate, bigotry, lies and abuse has become so bad since Trump came to power that the polarization of society, that we all recognize, can only be attributed to the Left.
---Haz27 on 7/5/18


Haz27, were white supremacists leftists or conservative?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/5/18


Haz27:

FACT. Jan. 20/17 Trump swore to uphold and defend the constitution when he assumed office. But...
FACT. Oct. 11 Trump theatened to pull broadcasting licenses of media hostile to him.
FACT. Feb. 28 Trump said "Take the guns first, go through due process second".
FACT. Mar. 4 Trump praised China's president for life, and hoped we could have this here someday too.
FACT. May 12 Trump told Indiana crowd he "deserved" 12 or 16 years to accomplish what he wants to do (despite 22nd Amendment).
FACT. Jun 24. Trump said illegals should be deported without worrying about due process, no courts or judges.

This is NOT paranoia, but things he ACTUALLY said. Are his own words "fake news"?
---StrongAxe on 7/5/18


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The problem in our country is that Trump is controlled by the Religious Right, who do not believe in the separation of church and state, even though our constitution is very CLEAR on that issue..(and further to clarify, no religious TEST is to be given in order to be elected to any office.) This false assumption that the Puritans believed America is theNEW Israel and we are Gods NEW chosen people and that God is in covenant with America( again God NEVER made a covenant with any Gentile nation EVER,) has created this WAR between our Right and Left, began in the late 70's. And this wanna be Theocracy of taking America back for Jesus is what is driving this NATIONALISM mentality. And many people are being deceived by this LIE.
---kathr4453 on 7/5/18


I remember the right paranoia about being afraid of a black man. All of the same accusations about Obama were made by the right. Some of the same conspiracy theories were spread then. Now since Trump is trying to get Newspaper reporters murdered it seems the right is still afraid.

Why do I say Trump is trying to get reporters murdered. Because in a Special of a Trump rally. The Reporters filmed the death threats being made to them as Trump ranted in the background.

Trump cannot do by law many of the things the left charges him with. But would he like to do them. He says so.

I don't understand this fear both sides are demonstrating. Our eyes are to be on Jesus and trusting in him. Not men.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/5/18


AXE. Your paranoia over Trump is commonly referred to as Trump derangement syndrome.

The Left have been rabid over Trump's win, and have doubled down on their usual hate, bigotry and abuse, etc. The increased polarization we now see in society is all due to the Left.

As for your paranoid claim of some supposed Trump tyranny, this only confirms your Trump derangement syndrome.

FYI, people (like myself) have (long before Trump) been concerned about the neo Marxist dominated so called "free press", and the neo Marxists dominance in universities, etc, brainwashing, and bullying anyone who dares to question the Marxists authoritarian rule in such institutions. Trump is merely voicing the peoples long held concerns.
---Haz27 on 7/4/18


Monk_Brendan:

You wrote: Notice, however, Axe, that he has not made a single move to shut down the press. That means that he is not quite the despot as you believe.

Of course not. The first stage is to polarize the population. Once the entire population believes that the press is the enemy, THEN they get suppressed, and the public will cheer rather than protest. THIS is how tyranny starts.

Note that when he told a rally that he "deserved" 12 to 16 years in office, they cheered. That's how lifelong despotism starts - by convincing the people that it's OK first.
---StrongAxe on 7/4/18


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Strongaxe said, "Regardless of any of this, the fact remains that the country is getting more and more polarized. Trump has declared the press as being the enemy of the people - something despots also always do, because a free press is the greatest enemy of tyrants (which is why it is the very first amendment)."

Notice, however, Axe, that he has not made a single move to shut down the press. That means that he is not quite the despot as you believe.

And if he DID try to suppress the press, I would be the first one to stand up and shout for the House to impeach and the Senate to try him and find him guilty and remove him from office.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/3/18


Steveng:

Revolutions occur when tyranny of "legitimate" rulers becomes so intolerable the populace must in good conscience rise up and vomit them out.

Trump continuously shows contempt for the constitution. He flaunts the emolument clause. He wants to sieze guns and deport aliens without due process, muzzle the press, and extend his term despite the 22nd 22nd amendmnent. Opposing his flagrant unconstitutional acts supports the constitution that has been this country's backbone for 200+ years.

Rightist wackos like Alex Jones have been screaming about leftist conspiracies, including one that the left will stage a revolution on July 4. We will laugh in his face on July 5 when it's shown to be yet another paranoid lie.
---StrongAxe on 7/3/18


AXE. Your absurd denialism about the fact of todays Marxist Left only proves Russian KGB Communist defector, Yuri Bezmanov, right.

The accounts I hear here of the Marxist Left's dominance in media, universities, etc, abusing, persecuting and penalizing those who do not submit to neo Marxist political correctness, is same as seen in USA, U.K, Canada, etc.

BTW, journalism is one of the prime Marxist brainwashing degrees at universities, hence the Left's dominance of media. But we both know you won't let facts get in the way of your fantasies.

Your spiritual ignorance misusing scripture to justify the heartless Left's genocidal abortion, reflects poorly on you.
BTW, the OT Law is spiritual (Rom 7:14).
---Haz27 on 7/4/18


All humans have fallen short of the glory of God, but most vocal Democrats/liberals have use lies and intimidations out of frustration at the inability to recover from the political power they lost. They are planning the complete destruction of the Republic using mass civil disobedience against the Trump administration and Trump supporters - even advocating killing them.

Obama's 'Organizing for Action' and Antifa are two groups ready to wage war. Communists have been planning this since the 1930s. Check out the manual 'The Communist Manifesto.'
---Steveng on 7/3/18


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Haz27:

Freedom of the press is EXPLICLITY MENTIONED in the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, so please take your Australian anti-communist paranoia elsewhere.

The press was developed and owned by privately-held corporations. If it is dominated by leftist voices, that can only be because more people think that leftist news is more valuable than rightist propaganda. People vote with their dollars. I would think that a capitalist-worshipping rightist like you would appreciate this.

I quoted scripture showing where Levitical law required a procedure that resulted in an abortion. If you don't like that, argue with God, not with me. YOUR perspective is anti-biblical, as I just showed.
---StrongAxe on 7/3/18


AXE. Freedom of the press is a deceitful argument when one side (that is the neo Marxist Left) dominate the press.

When the Left argue for freedom of the press the reality is it's just a big con to protect their own dominance over the press.

BTW, saying you don't support the slaughter of unborn babies, but then constantly pushing the same arguments that the baby murdering Left uses to justify slaughtering babies, only makes you look complicit in it.

Best you make up your mind one way or the other instead of sitting on the fence, or as God would say, being lukewarm.

---Haz27 on 7/3/18


Haz27:

Saying "The bible commands something in at least one instance" means "The bible does not universally condemn it". It does NOT mean "I approve of it". Learn the difference.

I have NEVER promoted baby slaughter. However you constantly accuse me of this, thus frequently violating "Thou shalt bear false witness against thy neighbor." STOP LYING!

Trump has repeatedly attacked the rights of free speech and the press and due process. Sessions has approved siezing assets without due process. These all subrogate individual civil rights to the state. Yet they are on the RIGHT. This is not about being left. It is about being AUTHORITARIAN.
---StrongAxe on 7/3/18


AXE. Leftist Christians misuse scripture to justify Left's political power lust.

Physical Israel are covenant breakers. Physical Israel are strangers from covenants of promise, and not children of God (Rom 9:8).

Christians welcome the lost (spiritual strangers, Eph 2:12,19) into household of God (which is not a physical country). This means preach gospel.

But we see in Ezekiel 14:7,8 any stranger who separates themselves from God will be cast out of Israel.
We see same in 1Cor 5 where the spiritually sexual immoral within the church, having an affair with their father's (the devil John 8:44) wife (Hagar, symbolic for self righteousness by works, Gal 4:21-25) are likewise cast out.







---Haz27 on 7/3/18


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\\Axe. Again you resort to the Left's usual distortions to promote baby slaughter.
Again I say love does not kill unborn babies. \\

Why do you keep on saying this, Haz?

I have told you, and StrongAxe as told you, that he is against abortion and is pro-life.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/3/18


Axe. Again you resort to the Left's usual distortions to promote baby slaughter.
Again I say love does not kill unborn babies.

The Left's welfare lure creates the conditions where children starve, raped, into substance abuse, crime.

Giovanni Gentile, the father of Fascism, was (like Socialist Left Hitler) inspired by Marxism. Gentile rejected individualism, and instead promoted collectivism, thus Fascism is clearly LEFT.

Fascist Mussolini said All is in the state and nothing human exists or has value outside the state.
This is similar to 2012 DEMs Party convention slogan The government is the only thing we all belong to.

The link between DEMs Left and Fascist Left could not be clearer.
---Haz27 on 7/2/18


Cluny:

I wasn't necessarily speaking about you, or about every single Republican. I know different people have different views (and the same applies to Democrats as well, as some people like Haz27 ought to learn).

I was speaking about those Republicans whose voices seem to matter the most - those politicians who make public policy, and who wrap themselves in the Bible, and claim to be the party of family values, yet consistently enact legislation that destroy families, by taking away all the safety nets we have that actually protect families.
---StrongAxe on 7/2/18


Haz27:

Fascism consolidated power in CORPORATIONS - definitely on the RIGHT.

Aliens could join Israel and become adopted sons, but the ones in LV are NOT sons (so not part of the covanent of promise), yet must be treated as sons.

In our context, this would refer to Mexicans and others who came to the U.S. and would be subject to U.S. laws, and be welcome even though not American citizens.

Love does not let children starve once they are born either.

Numbers 5:11-31 prescribes bitter waters to a pregnant woman suspected of adultery. If she miscarries (a chemical abortion), she's guilty. Apparently God doesn't worry about compassion for the unborn child there.
---StrongAxe on 7/2/18


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\\He did speak about feeding the hungry, healing the sick, etc. - yet Republican politicians consistently gut health care and social safety nets that help the poor. They are anti-immigration and anti-immigrant, despite "Do not vex the stranger, since you were strangers in the land of Egypt".\\

As you know, Mark, I'm a republican.

I believe in a seamless pro-life ethic, too.

And I'm not against immigrants or immigration. I go to a church full of them--but they all came here legally. That's all I'm asking, and our laws ask.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/2/18


AXE. You fail to understand what God means by words like "stranger".

See Ephesians 2:12,19. It refers to strangers from covenants of promise, the household of God. This is the stranger in Matt 25. It refers to preaching gospel to the lost. Likewise the hungry/thirsty are the lost who lack Christ our spiritual food/drink (1Cor 10:3,4).

Re the OT reference to strangers in Leviticus, note also Lev 20:13 & 10:13,17 & 20:2 & 22:18, 25:45 & Ezekiel 14:7,8 which all imposes codes of conduct upon strangers, which contradicts the Left's divisive diversity agenda which encourages anti Christ Muslims etc to grow their racist, supremacist cult.

BTW, Christ commanded love, and love does not kill the unborn.
---Haz27 on 7/2/18


Barbara_Maynard:

What "everything a Christian should be against"? Not what your church says, as every church has its own doctrines, but what Jesus actually taught.

Jesus never spoke about abortion or lgbt. (Numbers 5:11-31 gives an adultery test that aborts an illegitimate child.)

He did speak about feeding the hungry, healing the sick, etc. - yet Republican politicians consistently gut health care and social safety nets that help the poor. They are anti-immigration and anti-immigrant, despite "Do not vex the stranger, since you were strangers in the land of Egypt".

How can Christians reconcile being a Republican while remaining a Christian?
---StrongAxe on 7/1/18


AXE. NAZI's and Mussolini's Fascism were National Socialists, thus Collectivist ideologies and Left wing.

Totalitarianism is of the Left. The Conservative Right is about less government.

Whether in USA with its constitutional protections (which totalitarian Left seeks to undermine), or in Australia (where neo Marxists likewise use the free press argument to defend their media control), an unbalanced media where the oppressive Left far outweighs Conservative Right voices, is nothing more than thought control.

The totalitarian Left's oppressive PC tyranny through its dominance over media, Hollywood, universities, etc, and it's terrorist groups and hate and bigotry, is solely responsible for fomenting discord.
---Haz27 on 7/1/18


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ax: "you're an Australian, so America's constitutional protections mean nothing to you."

Boy, that's a powerful indictment coming from a CANADIAN like you.

When are you going to get off that LIE that Hitler & Mussolini were right wing? They were both Left Wing SOCIALIST dictators - just like Obama.



Barbara: So true! Exactly!



Haz: Great to have you back!



---jerry6593 on 7/2/18


Barbara, I don't think that is for anyone to judge. Jimmy Carter is a democrat and says he is a Christian. He hasn't changed parties. So is it up to you to judge his heart? I think many Dems are not for what you listed.

But I believe the bottom line is......mandating Christian values on the unsaved, forcing righteousness on the unsaved, forcing a Theocracy on our nation, is not Christian either.

The scary part is, many preach this Kingdom NOW theology that is from the pit of hell.
---kathr4453 on 7/2/18


Haz27:

Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot were totalitarian LEFT. Hitler and Mussolini were totalitarian RIGHT. What made them evil was not that they are all left (which they weren't) but that they were all totalitarian. Communism sized property, but fascism consolidated power in private corporations that served the state (e.g. Volkswagen).

"The old free press argument"? Of course, you're an Australian, so America's constitutional protections mean nothing to you. America's founding fathers thought it was so important that it was in the very first amendment in the Bill of Rights.

Throughout history, tyrants have ALWAYS condemned three free press, because a free press is the only thing that can hold them accountable.
---StrongAxe on 7/1/18


And just curious , How can Christians reconcile being a democrat while remaining a Christian? Pro abortion, pro lbgt, pro everything a Christian should be against
---Barbara_Maynard on 7/1/18


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AXE. To answer your question, it's clearly the neo Marxist Left who foment discord.

Their divisive identity politics, their terrorist groups BLM and ANTIFA, and the fact they dominate the megaphones of society (Hollywood, universities, media, politics, Facebook, Google, etc) deceiving the gullible, and demonizing and persecuting those who oppose the Left's destructive agendas and lies, there can be no doubt it's the heartless Left who foment discord.

The tyrannical rulers of Iran likewise argue that those challenging fundamentalist Islamic rule in Iran are fomenting discord, simply because their own dominance is being challenged.

Tyrannical Lefties just don't like it when their dominance is being challenged.
---Haz27 on 7/1/18


jerry6593:

Ted Nugent said, "If Barack Obama becomes the next president in November, again, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year."

Georgia Senator David Perdue prayed the "may his days be few" psalm over Obama.

MA Sheriff Joseph D. McDonald Jr. joked about Abraham Lincoln visiting Obama in his dreams and urging him to go to the theater.

Just this week, Trump called the press the enemy, and Milo Yannapoulis said he couldn't wait until someone shot a journalist. Days later, someone murdered 5 journalists.

6 years BEFORE a Virginia Red Hen refused to serve Sanders, a Virginia cookie maker refused to serve VP Biden.

Tell me again who is fomenting discord?
---StrongAxe on 6/30/18


Asking if Democrats are evil is like asking if Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, etc, are evil.

What they have in common is they are all of the totalitaritarian Left, and renowned for their genocide and hate.

AXE. Trump is correct that media is the peoples enemy. When media is dominated by neo Marxists pushing the hate mongering Lefts lies, then there is no doubt they are the peoples enemy. The old Free Press argument is merely a con Leftists use to maintain their dominance.

Likewise in Australia the deceitful Left dominate our media. Even our tax payer funded ABC media disregards its charter obligations on impartiality and BALANCE. Sadly the corrupt Left hold so much power that their fraudulent misuse of the ABC continues.
---Haz27 on 6/30/18


Jerry, All those things you cited are a REACTION TO something the right has done...not just for no reason out of thin air. The Right assaults, then when pushed back, plays the poor victim...oh poor me...look what they did to me "garbage". That's the difference Jerry. The RIGHT is provoking the left, just like scripture says do not PROVOKE your children to wrath. So we see even in Gods eyes, the ones PROVOKING are just as guilty...and maybe even more so. Two wrongs do not make a right...but being purposely blind to this PROVOKING is DISINGENUOUS on your part and on the rights part, if they are playing stupid to their own actions. Body slamming reporters was first done by the RIGHT....on more than one occasion.... GOT THAT?
---kathr4453 on 7/1/18


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Samuel, don't bother answering those who are blind in one eye and deaf in one ear. Obviously, Jerry didn't see where you condemned both sides.

Strongaxe...yep Kennedys son is friends with Trump approving a billion dollars in loans to someone who had bad credit...yep probably more to come on that.
---kathr4453 on 6/30/18


StrongAxe, true. I also find the timing of Kennedys retirement curious. I'm very troubled by it..the timing that is, and why he just didn't wait until after the med-terms, I'm sure knowing it would cause a firestorm, which just doesn't seem like something Kennedy would do., especially with ALL the other things going on right now.) Maybe knowing Trumps days may be short....( now I sound like a conspiracy theorist) I think someone put some kind of pressure on him to do it NOW. This should all be so interesting to see how it all plays out.
---kathr4453 on 6/29/18


Sam: "It is wrong to harass people."

If you really believe that then why do you defend the riotous Dems who constantly harass Conservatives at universities, restaurants and on TV shows? What conservative comedian made a joke of Obama's severed head? What conservative shot up Dems at a charity baseball game?
What conservative restaurant owner discriminated against a Dem employee of the White House? What conservative congresswoman has incited to riot against Dems? What Hollywood actor advocated throwing one of Obama's kids in a cage with a pedophile?

None!

It is your Party that is fomenting discord and pushing toward civil war.




---jerry6593 on 6/30/18


Trump called journalists the enemy. Conservative commentator Milo Yiannopoulos said he couldn't wait until someone shot a journalist (but has since said he was only kidding - as if it's OK to joke about murdering people). Some on the left also assumed that the shooter was motivated by the above comments, and they were also wrong.

Regardless of any of this, the fact remains that the country is getting more and more polarized. Trump has declared the press as being the enemy of the people - something despots also always do, because a free press is the greatest enemy of tyrants (which is why it is the very first amendment).
---StrongAxe on 6/29/18


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Personally, I think Hannity believed it was motivated by Trumps rally speech that the media is the enemy of the American people, and then some other republican made a strange comment about the media. And of coarse what Samuel also pointed out. And Hannity immediately tried to get in front of something ( his bazaar conspiracy theory mindedness garbage thinking it was in fact Trump motivated) wanting to immediately TWIST the scenario and blame again the democrats FOR SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT POLITICALLY MOTIVATED. IM glad he exposed his twisted propaganda mindset. And it's because of Hannity's twisted mind that feeds Trumps every night that we are in serious trouble in this country.

Someone at FOX needs to FIRE that nut case ASAP.
---kathr4453 on 6/29/18


Amen Kathyr

I agree about what happened with the Moral Majority.

Also Fox often having fake news.

Today I heard that Mazine Watters has been place in protection due to death threats.

As Christians we are to love both sides. To disagree is one thing. But today when this President encourages people to hate the media. I watched a behind the scenes where the Trump Crowd was turning around and threatening the reporters.
It is wrong to harass people. So both side need to tone down the accusations.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/29/18


Here's what is clearly dangerous and outrageous. The shooting yesterday....here we have the liberal news waiting to see the motive....and then FOX news, both in the news and then Hannity. Hannity IMMEDIATELY makes it political saying its Maxine Waters fault...and the news room IMMEDIATELY making it political looking for whether the paper was liberal or conservative. WRONG ON BOTH COUNTS. They ARE the false and FAKE NEWS folks. It was a crazy disgruntled ex employee.

So I hope that opens someone's eyes as to who is putting out FAKE FALSE ideas in people's heads....called PROPAGANDA.

Shame shame shame on FOX FAKE NEWS.
---kathr4453 on 6/29/18


I clearly remember that it was the 80's that this thing called the Moral Majority, the Pat Buchanans, etc, where conservatism married christianity. Many Churches became apostate at that time. Somewhere along the way the propaganda that America was Gods new chosen people, pushed by Dr James Kennedy ...that many of the Churches begam preaching AMERICA and not the cross. it was the begining of politicians USING the Churches to promote politics and republican politicians claiming God is on their side. All one had to do was PRETEND they were religious and quote a verse here and there, and Christians ate it up. DT did just that, even though his lifestyle is totally opposite to Christian values. THIS IS WHAT IS EVIL.
---kathr4453 on 6/28/18


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No Democrats as a whole are not evil. Any more that Republicans.

What has happened is that Republicans have taken on a crusader attitude to demonize Democrats.

There have always been crooks and bad people on both sides. But today Republicans have tried to make GOD on their side.

Also Fox news commentators often work to hide the truth. So if you only listen to them you will be fooled.

Trump has gotten his followers to threaten with death and bodily harm reporters. That is nothing a Christian should ever do.

I have problems with both sides.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/28/18


I think it's horrible that we make such awful accusations about AMERICAN CITIZENS, who have as much right to their opinion as you are afforded Jerry. Technically everyone who is not born again is evil and lost in Gods eyes, no matter what political party one belongs to. And then once one is Born Again, that person is no longer part of this evil world system, Rep, Dem, independent, or whatever.

Your question only shows you are lost Jerry and don't know what evil is in Gods eyes...the only opinion that matters. The Pharisees were EVIL....religious zealots ...and Jesus had no kind words at all for them. Take note.
---kathr4453 on 6/27/18


Jerry, are you really as evil as God Himself knows you to be?

If so, quit talking about other people's sins.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/26/18


"As they appear in the news"? Just which "news" are you referring to? Fox? InfoWars?
---StrongAxe on 6/26/18


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No, but the republicans are.

You posted this simply to start an arguement. Is desentiion parr of the SDA church?
---NurseRobert on 6/26/18


NO!


Democrats are not evil. There are some whose political views are extreme, but on the whole, they are our NEIGHBORS.

And we all know how Jesus wants us to treat our neighbors.
---Monk_Brendan on 6/26/18


Really...and republicans are holier? what about W bush he bear false witness, committed murder, cover than neighbor's oil, think he is god above the law US constitution.
---mike on 6/26/18


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