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Does God Have Faith

Romans 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

1. Does God have faith?
2. What does this verse mean?

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The Bible speaks of who Christians are to be.

Titus 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world,
2Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Psalms 119:105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

Follow the Bible.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/6/18


"So yes Josef, I guess we will have to agree to disagree". My pleasure Kathr.
---Josef on 11/6/18


Our faith is in someone else. My faith is in the promises and Word of God. I simply believe what God has said.

Since Jesus is the WORD OF GOD, it's silly to say Jesus has faith in Himself. But if others want to believe God needs faith in Himself , and without faith in Himself everything will fall apart I guess. Nor does God live by faith. Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen. Very simple. God KNOWS beginning from end. God also sees everything. We don't. Our faith is in the one we call OUR BLESSED HOPE. Once we are in Heaven, after this world has passed away, no one will be living by faith.

So yes Josef, I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
---kathr4453 on 11/6/18


Philippians 1:6 - Being confident of this very thing, that he which has begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 2,8 - For by grace you been saved though faith and that not of yourselves it is a gift of God.

Your faith - If God gives a person - blond hair or red . brown, etc .- would it not still be there hair ? Hence - Your hair

Romans 12:3
---RichardC on 11/5/18


"Josef, it maybe we don't agree on this." Obviously not.
"He has promised to thoroughly finish us" I agree. He has also promised to furnish us.(2Pe 1:3) All good and perfect gifts, are from above. "There is no magic to faith." I've never said there was. "Jesus authored an ear of corn, but doesn't have to become an ear of corn" I see that this dialog is over:o) Kathr, I simply thought we had come to another point of agreement. My bad:o)
---Josef on 11/5/18




Hebrews 10: 23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering, (for he is faithful that promised,)

I believe this is what Romans 3:3 is saying. Also the OUR in this verse was not added either. The US AND OUR agree here. Otherwise it would say Let Him hold fast the profession of His faith. But that's now what it says. Also does not say ..let us hold fast the profession of HIS faith. Faith is as much built in to man as his conscience is.
---kathr4453 on 11/5/18


Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.


I hope you didn't mean I added OUR. And I've read no where anyone added the word. But to reiterate, this verse is to those who are already saved, growing in maturity.

I'm sure many verses say OUR FAITH, as it does YOUR Faith.

Romans 3:3 is that perfect example of Hebrews 4, and it COULD read, as example...should the unbelief of Israel entering the promise land make the faithfulness of God without effect? Ans NO, because their children did inherit the land as Gods faithfulness is shown.
---kat453 on 11/5/18


Kathyr and josef good point.

steveng Jesus is GOD so is the Father. These three are one. So yes.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/5/18


Here's a small sampling of "personal possession" of faith.

1 Corinthians 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

1 Corinthians 15:14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

God is the author and finisher of everything, not just faith. But it does not mean I don't have personal faith. Hebrews 4 also say they did not enter in for lack of FAITH. Did God renege and fail to keep His promise to them concerning the promise land? It was already theirs for the taking. THEIR PERSONAL FAITH or lack thereof was the cause. If it depended on Gods faith, they would ALL have entered, since God already gave it to them.
---kathr4453 on 11/5/18


Josef, it maybe we don't agree on this. I said while Jesus was in the flesh, He trusted in and did the will of the father. He also suffered leaving us an example as to how we are to live through suffering. There is no magic to faith. Jesus authored an ear of corn, but doesn't have to become an ear of corn

There is faith before salvation that one needs to exhibit FOR SALVATIONS, and then there is faith that continues our sanctification. I believe this is what Jesus authored and finished, as WE grow up into Him. But He doesn't first need to grow up into Himself before we can. He has promised to thoroughly finish us, being complete in Him, presenting to Himself without spot or wrinkle. DId He have spots and wrinkles first? NO.
---kath4453 on 11/5/18




"Josef, my faith comes by hearing the Word of God." Ok Kathr. I simply thought that you were acknowledging Jesus as the author and finisher of Faith, the word our was added, just as the word cometh in the above reference. But by the aforementioned statement, you seem to be saying 'your' faith originated within yourself. If that is the case, then we will agree to disagree. I received your referenced verse, as "faith grows by understanding, and understanding by the word of God", as stated in the initial blog, if you can't receive that, dismiss it. I just wanted to clarify my position. As concerning Jesus, the author of faith must possess and exercise faith, or He can not be an example of it.
---Josef on 11/5/18


Who did the miracles originate from in the bible, God or Jesus?
---Steveng on 11/5/18


Josef, who gave all of us life, breath? I hope I have not misunderstood you, but if one reads Romans 1-2 it seems perfectly clear everyone, and that means everyone who was in a fallen state had the ability to look at creation and KNOW from who and where it came from. Man seered their own conscience ....not as a whole, but individuals. We see many who did not. Faith is not foreign to those who,have not seered their own conscience. Everything is a gift from God. So I do not believe as the Calvinist's that God picked and chose who He saved first SO THAT they alone have faith.

God gave every human in his lost state to look around even today and KNOW there is a God. That's the beginning of faith.
---kathr4453 on 11/5/18


Josef, my faith comes by hearing the Word of God, just as scripture states. Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Not vice versa. Noah believed God and moved to build the ark. Abel obeyed God, offering a more acceptable sacrifice.....Cain was even given a second chance, but refused by his own free will. Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen. Jesus said blessed are those who don't see but believe. Thomas wanted to see first to believe....so do the Calvinist's. I BELIEVE God created the heavens and earth BECAUSE Genesis tells me so. So faith comes first by hearing the word of God. Faith is an attitude, not a power.....like the false WOF teachers teach.
---kathr4453 on 11/5/18


"Glorified by OUR FAITH in Jesus Christ. By OUR FAITH in His finished works on the cross." Kathr, were do you think.... your.. faith, originated? And how did you come by that Faith?
---Josef on 11/4/18


Faith can mean our trust in GOD. But it can also mean what we believe. I am a follower of the Christians faith. So the context needs to be understood.

Many forget that to walk in faith means to also walk in love of others. No matter what.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/4/18


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1 Peter 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: ( aka the faith of God)

Jesus is the author and finisher of OUR Faith. Jesus LEARNDED OBEDIENCE through the things He suffered. Sounds like an oxymoron here. So the question is, does Jesus TODAY live by faith? OR was it for OUR example?

We are justified, sanctified and one day Glorified by OUR FAITH in Jesus Christ. By OUR FAITH in His finished works on the cross.

Jesus said FOLLOW ME. Paul said Follow me the way I follow Christ. He Leads WE FOLLOW. Psalms 23!!!!! Jesus was tested in all ways just as we are, yet without sin. Not only is Jesus GOD, but a fabulous TEACHER.
---kathr4453 on 11/4/18


"Just because Jesus was our example of obedience of Faith" Good for you Kathr4453, you've acknowledge Jesus as our perfect example of faith.
"Submitting to do the will of God is a faith thing, not a works thing." Do you now acknowledge the faith of Jesus? This is what I have gotten from your statement here. Have I misunderstood you? Or did I misunderstand you during our last exchange concerning this subject? "Man is saved, justified, and made righteous by the faith of Jesus. Gal 3:22>Gal 2:16>Rom 3:22" Josef 9/22/15
"doesn't diminish the fact that Jesus is God" kathr4453 11/3/18
Jesus is God=God has faith.
---Josef on 11/3/18


I believe Jesus was an example to us as to what it means to live by faith. Jesus was totally dependent on The Father, as He came to do the will of the Father, not His own will. Our faith after we are saved is also to do the will of God. Submitting to do the will of God is a faith thing, not a works thing.

Just because Jesus was our example of obedience of Faith doesn't diminish the fact that Jesus is God. Jesus is LORD. the Lord our God is one.
---kathr4453 on 11/3/18


Steven when my church was starting we had a huge argument about the Trinity. It took 20 years to resolve.

We came from the Bible on the side of the TRinity.

When Jesus walked the earth he did it as a man. Not GOD otherwise all who saw him would have died.

He also came to die for us. John 1 says that Jesus is GOD. The Jews went to murder him for saying he is GOD. The I Am.
John 8:58,59 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/2/18


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The Lord Jesus Christ didn't need faith in God. He is God
Faith is what men possess when they hear the word of truth and believe it (Rom 10:17). Faith isn't needed by the man who is the Truth (John 14:6).
Men must have faith in the truth, but Christ was the truth.
Before men hear the truth and believe it, they don't have faith, and don't know the truth.
When people require Christ to have faith (faith and faithfulness are not the same) they are diminishing the truth found in Christ.
There was never a time when Jesus was not full of truth (John 1:14). Truth came by Jesus not to him like it did other men (John 1:17).
Christ didn't need faith. Christ is the object of faith (John 14:1).
---michael_e on 11/2/18


1 Timothy 3:16 - And without controversy great is the mystery of the godliness: God was manifest in the Flesh , justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preach unto the Gentiles, believe on in the world, received up into glory,
---RichardC on 11/1/18


Steven:

If you by your own decision of listening to your own- still fallen under human sinfulness, rebellion and errors and into not accepting and give the reverence to THE LORD that HE deserves and by you already reading GOD'S WORD and THE LORD OWN SAYINGS - you still contradict them . .. then: Keep those blasphemous words to yourself and if you are not giving THE LORD the honor and worship that HE deserves . . . why are you here? - is your true reason is to misled others into your own offensive way of believing??? . . . wanted or not to accept it- the enemy is using you to the respect - does that satisfy you? . . . without THE LORD and by your own blasphemous beliefs about HIM - you are lost now - unless you repent!
---Melody on 11/1/18



Even the mention for anyone to call THE LORD that, is very irreverent for you to imply: Why are you denying THE LORD'S OWN WORDS where HE said in different parts of The Bible that HE AND THE FATHER ARE ONE? - don't you want to recognize that you are making your own assumptions about THE LORDS'S SUPREMACY AND DIETY - and why? - because unless you have received The Born Again Experience - you'll keep on denying that THE LORD JESUS CHRIST IS GOD AND ONE WITH THE FATHER - but under HIS MOST SUBLIME AGAPE LOVE, GRACE AND MERCY - HE humbled HIMSELF to become and feel under our humanity and voluntarily and under agonizing pain HE cried unto GOD (when HE HIMSELF was GOD) "FATHER, FATHER, why have you forsaken ME" . . .
---Melody on 11/1/18


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Melony, Are you calling Jesus a liar when he himself expressly said to Mary: "...I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." John 20:17

You need to remember that the Hebrew language is very poetic and very difficult to translate.
---Steveng on 10/31/18


Steven - you are committing grave and serious blasphemy against THE LORD . . . repent before HIM and ask for HIS DISCERNMENT through HIS SPIRIT to come and indwell in your spiritual heart and reveal to you THE TRUTH OF HIS MOST SUBLIME DIVINITY as THE ONLY TRUE GOD, CREATOR, SAVIOR and the soon coming KING of kings"!!!

John 14: 8,9,

"Philip said unto HIM: LORD, show us THE FATHER, and it suffices us".

"THE LORD JESUS said unto HIM: Have I been so long time with you, and yet has thou not known ME, Philip? - he that has seen ME, has seen THE FATHER, and how say thou then, show us THE FATHER?
---Melody on 10/31/18


Deuteronomy 6:4 - Hear O Israel The Lord our God is One Lord,

Ephesians 4:5 - One Lord, One faith, One Baptism,

1 Corinthians 1:9 - God is Faithful, By whom ye called to Fellow ship of His Son Jesus Christ our Lord,

Psalm 144:15 - Happy is that people, that in such a case: yea , happy is the people whose God is the Lord


Isaiah 43:11- I , even I am the Lord, and there beside me is no Saviour,

Hosea 13:4 - Yet I am the Lord thy God from the land of Egypt.and thou shalt know no god but me, For there is no Saviour beside me,

Titus 2:13 - Looking for that blessed hope and glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.
---RichardC on 10/31/18


Jesus is not God, but let's reason this out.

God knows everything from the beginning to the end, right?

If Jesus is God, wouldn't Jesus know the date of his return? Matthew 24:36, Mark 13:32

Also, Jesus is not a liar for Jesus said to Mary, "Touch me not, for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." John 20:17
---Steveng on 10/30/18


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Jesus is not God, but let's reason this out.

God knows everything from the beginning to the end, right?

If Jesus is God, wouldn't Jesus know the date of his return? Matthew 24:36, Mark 13:32
---Steveng on 10/28/18


Steveng. Kathyr and Michael are correct. The Trinity is difficult to understand. But it is true.

I have spoken with many who say it is false. But the Bible supports the Trinity.

Only GOD can save us. Jesus saves us.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/5/18


John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
---michael_e on 10/5/18


Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


Emmanuel also means "God" with us.

Ya know, those who overthink things and just don't take God at His Word, whether we understand it or not, will always try to rationalize with the human mind what we simply cannot. Jesus in the flesh was still more than mere man, something we will never be, nor can we be compared in that way. Otherwise any man could die for sins. IMPOSSIBLE.

This is also what faith is. Taking GOD at His Word. Faith is not dependent on our intellect or human reasoning.
---kathr4453 on 10/5/18


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Jesus is not God II

Jesus is the "exact representative" of God just as people would comment that I'm just like my father. Hebrews 1:3, John 5:26

Jesus is the SON of God, not God hemself. John 5:19, John 14:28, Matthew 16: 15-20

For what the 10 commandments could not do, Jesus did by setting an example. Jesus became God's word in the flesh. Romans 8:3

God is not a man, Numbers 23:19, Hosea 11:9, but Jesus was called man many times. Matthew 16:27, Acts 2:22, Tim. 2:5

Just as Jesus is one with God, so, too, that christians are one with God. 1 Corinthians 6:17, John 15:1-8, John 17:20-26, Romans 8:9-11, 1 Corinthians 6:19-20
---Steveng on 10/5/18


Jesus faith AKA TRUST, ( thank you Johnny,) is also an example for us. Everything Jesus did was also to be an example to us...submitting to the will of the Father is also faith and trust in another. Exactly what we are to do.

The Word was WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD.

Jesus also said He was "I AM" , we know is another name for God.

Thanks for clarifying your position Steveng. You have a Bible, can read, and write. You have ears to hear. So according to scripture you are WILLFULLY ignorant of the Truth.

You have chosen to believe what you believe. You alone are responsible for your choices. No amount of bullying can change your mind. Only the Lord ABOVE can get through to you. I pray He does.
---kathr4453 on 10/5/18


Steven: In order for you to believe in THE ONLY TRUE GOD and put together under spirituality those Scriptures that in appearance might appear contradictory, you must first go to THE LORD JESUS CHRIST (THE LORD of The OT and THE LORD of The NT) and ask HIM to indwell you with HIS HOLY SPIRIT as in repentance you come to HIM in faith, for the remission of your sins and accepting HIM as your LORD AND SAVIOR: If HE was lesser than GOD THE FATHER - we couldn't obtain the remission of our sins through HIS PRECIOUS BLOOD SACRIFICE for us all sinners and being Born Again through GOD'S SPIRIT: "ME AND MY FAHTER ARE ONE"!
---Melody on 10/4/18


You've just proved you're not a Christian, Steveng.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/4/18


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Matt 1:23 ... his name Emmanuel.. .interpreted ..God with us.
John 1:1 ... the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him,.. he that hath seen me hath seen the Father,
John 20:28 And Thomas answered ... My Lord and my God.
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God,
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
1Tim 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God..
1 Tim 3:16 .. God was manifest in the flesh...
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God...
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
---michael_e on 10/4/18


michael_e wrote: "The Lord did not need an ounce of faith in God. He was God."

Jesus is NOT God.

Jesus is not ALL knowing. Matthew 24:36

Jesus needs God's help. John 5:30, John 5:19

God is good. Mark 10:18

God is greater than Jesus. John 14:28

Jesus thought God has forsaken him. Matthew 27:46

Jesus prayed to God who is in heaven: Our Father, who art in heaven...

And the most telling verse of all in the bible: John 20:17
---Steveng on 10/4/18


Another word for faith is trust. Jesus trusted his Father and prayed to Him.
---Johnny74 on 10/4/18


The Lord did not need an ounce of faith in God. He was God.
Faith is what men possess when they hear the word of truth and believe it (Rom 10:17). Faith is not needed by the one man who is the Truth (John 14:6).
Men must have faith in the truth, but Christ was the truth.
Before men hear the truth and believe it, they do not have faith, and do not know the truth.
When people require Christ to have faith (faith and faithfulness are not the same) they are diminishing the truth found in Christ.
---michael_e on 10/4/18


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Johnny ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. God is faithful to His Promises.

There even a wonderful song, "Great is thy Faithfulness." He has promised to never leave or forsake us, that is HIS CHILDREN. Those who have put their faith in Him.
---kathr4453 on 9/10/18


A better translation would be "the faithfulness of God." He is faithful to his own word.
---Johnny74 on 9/9/18


God made us for Himself.

But God is a perfect Gentleman.

He doesn't FORCE Himself on us
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/3/18


"GOD IS THE AUTHOR AND FINISHER or our FAITH" so The faith that we have in GOD AND LORD of our lives, proceeds from HIM and for our blessings, fortitude and Spiritual maturity that is leading us to the exit of this short earthly life in which we live now and into The Entrance of GOD'S Eternal Kingdom and under THE MOST SUBLIME AND MIGHTY PRESENCE of our LORD forevermore . . . and when THE LORD talks about faith, this is the one implanted in every one of those that have become HIS OWN, and from that faith that only came from HIM, comes the obedience into the steps of faith that THE LORD honors and that inspired by HIS HOLY SPIRIT in us: We act, walk and do HIS WILL under HIS ANOINTING to bring blessings to others as HE guides us!
---Melody on 8/6/18


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\\They would even flame Jesus if he were on these blogs because he doesn't conform to their ideologies.
---Steveng on 7/19/18\\

YOu do the same thing, Steveng.

I flame you because you don't conform to Christ's ideologies.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/20/18


Again, many people on these blogs assume way too much about anything and everything. They would even flame Jesus if he were on these blogs because he doesn't conform to their ideologies.
---Steveng on 7/19/18


Steveng, you're making the mistake of thinking that God lives in time.

We experience reality as a series of successive events: some we remember from the past, others we see right now, and others we expect in the future.

But God is the only one who sees reality as it really is: the eternal NOW.

Consequently, God has neither faith (looking to the past) nor hope (looking to the future).

We exist, however, because God loves us.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/17/18


Yes, God does indeed have faith in man or mankind wouldn't exist today.

He is 'hoping for' all of mankind to turn towards him. He doesn't want anyone to perish. This is the reason he is not destroying the earth at this time. This is the reason why his is patient when dealing with man, but his patience is wearing thin today.

Numbers 14:27
Psalm 50:20-21
Isaiah 48:9
Psalm 78:38
Isaiah 42:14
Numbers 14:18
Exodus 34:6
Psalm 86:15
1 Peter 3:20
Acts 13:18
Deuteronomy 8:2
Nehemiah 9:30-31
Genesis 18:32
---Steveng on 7/17/18


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Here's where people get off track ...It starts in Hebrews MISQUOTING scripture. THEY( those mis quoting ) say" By Faith God created......" WRONG

The verse says BY FAITH WE BELIEVE God created....

See the difference?

Now exactly WHY do,we believe BY FAITH.... Well, scripture states Faith comes by HEARING the Word of God. When did we first HEAR and believe God Created the World? WELL! Genesis 1,2 and 3 for starters.

By Faith We believe God promised to send a Redeemer. 1 stated in Genesis 3:15-16.....and many times since.

Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen. GOD SEES Everything from beginning to end. Our HOPE is in the Promises of God.
---kathr4453 on 7/16/18


No God does not have faith. Question...
Faith in what? Only WOF folks believe there is some sort of power on faith. OUR FAITH IS IN GOD AND HIS PROMISES.
---kathr4453 on 7/15/18


Kenneth:

There are a lot of things we can do that God can't, because his nature is perfect but ours is imperfect. For example, we can sin. God can't. We can lie. God can't. Faith is believing in things even if you can't see them. Since God sees everything, he doesn't need faith - he already knows everything.
---StrongAxe on 7/15/18


Yes God does have faith.If He requires the same from us,that is because we have to exude of His Character since we are made in His Image.
God has never told us to do things He would not do.
---Kenneth on 7/15/18


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Trey please know that I have not ignored your question here, however it is basically the same question that you asked here 2 years ago, and my thoughts concerning this hasn't changed. Concerning Rom 3:3, this verse means exactly what it says. The word translated faith in this verse is from the transliteration "Pistis" which is used in every verse of scripture where the word faith is the translation. And the Etymology of the word is to persuade, or to allow one's self to be persuaded to have confidence or to be assured.
---Josef on 7/14/18


Faith is belief in things one cannot directly perceive. Since God sees and knows anything, there's nothing for him to have faith in. He doesn't need to believe. He knows.
---StrongAxe on 7/12/18


In whom would God put His faith?

He doesn't need faith. He KNOWS.

I believe most translations render "faith of God" as "FAITHFULNESS of God," that is faithfulness to His promises.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/11/18


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