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Is Jesus A Spirit

When I get to Heaven will I see Jesus first? Will he be human form or spirit? Where will the Father and Holy Spirit be??

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Who knows what you will see first in heaven? The Apostle Paul went to heaven but he refused to reveal what he saw there. So I'll just leave it at that.
---Johnny74 on 9/9/18


How could one misinterpret what did Jesus say to Mary? John 20:16-18
---Steveng on 7/30/18


//Jesus is LORD. The Father is LORD. But they are one GOD//- Sambb7 [7/27/18].

No where in the Bible does it say that Jesus and the Father are "one GOD" as you erroneously maintain. Like your previous unscriptural trinitarian expressions [which you are unable to provide scriptural proof], your "one GOD" assertion is also without Biblical authority.

Some say the trinity is a "mystery". You say the trinity is "hard" to understand. If the trinity is a mystery and hard to understand, how do you know for sure it is the truth!?

Jesus is the Son of God. Jesus was "with" God [YHWH- Jehovah], his Father- Jo.1:1, Gen.1:26.
---David8318 on 7/30/18


RichardC:

YHVH is the name of God. Jews thought this too holy to pronounce (to avoid taking the Lord's name in vain), so it was only uttered once a year, by the high priest on the Day of Atonement. Its true pronunciation was lost (some say Jehovah, others Yahweh, etc.). KJV always capitalizes it. Jews euphemized it by pronouncing it "Adonai" ("The LORD"), often "YHVH elohim" ("The LORD God"). Sometimes "Elohim" makes more sense, as in "adonai YHVH" ("The Lord GOD").

Jews today even think "Adonai" too holy, so they say "Ha-Shem" ("The NAME"), and some even think THAT too holy, and say "Adoshem" (a mixture of both).
---StrongAxe on 7/29/18


RichardC on 7/28/18. Thanks!

I understand there were originally no upper and lower cases, as well as punctuation's, verses etc., so that at points in time these all were added, accurately or not, which may be correct interpretation in some instances, and incorrect in others.

With so many bible versions with differences, revisions and more, we may note these and whether or not truth is conveyed...when encountered, it may be of import to distinguish and even choose which is correct if in conflict, and that may take time. However, of note is that God reveals truth whether one believes (it) or not.
---chria9396 on 7/29/18




Chria - In many places in the OT there uses of One ( all caps ) and another not caps at all ,

In The Original writing of the Bible there was No upper or Lower case letters used .
---RichardC on 7/28/18


Carol, There in one mediator between God and man, the "man" Christ Jesus. The Word was made flesh, died and rose again. He was seen of about 500 after His resurrection, and ascended into heaven. Jesus will return one day to set up the Earthly Kingdom promised to Israel, the 1000 year millinnial reign, Acts 1:6-7( THAT only the Father knows WHEN) and then after that 1 Corinthians 15 states the Kingdom ..earthly that is, will be delivered up to the Father, that God will be all in all.

For born again Christians today, we are IN CHRIST, and is said that when WE see Him we will be like Him, for we shall SEE Him as He is. So many verses show Jesus Christ is more than just a Spirit. God is a Spirit, and so is the Holy Spirit.
---kathr4453 on 7/28/18


To Kathrn4453 in reference to Heaven and Earth - and what GOD'S WORD says: Revelations 21:1,2,3

"And I saw a new Heaven and a new Earth, for the first Heaven and the first Earth were passed away, and there were no more sea".

"And I John saw The Holy City, New Jerusalem coming down from GOD out of Heaven, prepared as a Bride to her Husband". = (The Body of CHRIST - The Church - those who were Born from HIS SPIRIT and remained faithful until the end).

"And I heard a great voice out of Heaven, saying: Behold The Tabernacle of GOD is with men, and HE will dwell with them, and they shall be HIS People, and GOD HIMSELF shall be with them, and be their GOD". . . "Come LORD JESUS:
---Melody on 7/28/18


"Tell ye, and bring them near, yea, let them take counsel together: Who hath declared this from ancient times? - who hath told it from that time? - have I not THE LORD? - and there is no GOD else beside ME, a JUST GOD AND A SAVIOUR, there is none beside ME". = Isaiah 45: 21,22 = "Now unto THE KING ETERNAL, IMMORTAL, INVISIBLE, the only WISE GOD, be honor and glory for ever and ever, Amen". Timothy 1: 17
---Melody on 7/27/18


To those of a humble heart that give honor and reverence to GOD'S WORD and for Spiritual Growth and Discernment and into becoming THE LORD'S Witnesses unto others as is GOD'S desire from all of HIS OWN:

"Verily THOU ART GOD, that hide THYSELF, OH GOD of Israel, THE SAVIOR". Isaiah 45:15
---Melody on 7/27/18




LORD JESUS CHRIST, THE MIGHTY GOD, HEAVENLY FATHER and REEDEMER of mankind, our CREATOR and THE PRINCE OF PEACE that will restore all things into perfection"!

---Melody on 7/25/18

Melody, question..lovely words above...no need to CAP, ..no need to shout here. But the last words ..." That will restore all things to perfection ".

May I ask you kindly where and what verse makes this claim? Do you believe in a NEW Heaven and Earth where the old is totally burned up...or a restored old heaven and earth?

Thank you for your answer.
---kathr4453 on 7/27/18


Concerning Ps 110:1, " The LORD said unto my Lord," KJV, it is interesting to note that The first use of the word lord is in all capital letters, but the second is not, and several versions do likewise.

Also, in many places in the OT there are uses of one (all caps) or another (not all caps).
---chria9396 on 7/27/18


To: Strong Axe and Samuel in Re: "The Trinity is a hard subject":

Yes, IT is!- if we are trying to understand IT under our limited human discernment: We cannot ever compared our own human frame ourselves to THE ALMIGHTY GOD - and if we cannot totally decipher HIS OWN WORDS about 'THREE PERSONS IN ONE' - let's bring it to THE LORD in prayer and believing that no one else can empathy with us (GOD'S OWN Creation) greater that HE does HIMSELF - but trusting under HIS REDEMPTION for our sins . . . blessings under GOD'S AGAPE LOVE - now and forever . . Melody
---Melody on 7/27/18


The Trinity is a hard subject.

Jesus is LORD. The Father is LORD. But they are one GOD.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/27/18


RichardC:

You asked: Two Saviour's ?

Psalm 110:1 (quoted in Matthew 22:44, Mark 12:36):
The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

There are two separate and distinct Lords here.
---StrongAxe on 7/26/18


Deuteronomy 6:4 - Hear O israel The Lord our God is one Lord.

Revelation 22:21 - The grace our Lord Jesus Christ Be with you all.,Amen.

( Two Lord's ? )

Titus 2:10 - Not purloining , but shewing all good fidelity,that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things,

Titus 3:6 - Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour.

Isaiah 43:11- I, even I am The Lord , and beside me there is no Saviour.

( Two Saviour's ? )
---RichardC on 7/26/18


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"Let those who by THE LORD'S GRACE have become HIS OWN - praise HIM now and forever"!

"No beginning and no end, our LORD JESUS CHRIST, THE MIGHTY GOD, HEAVENLY FATHER and REEDEMER of mankind, our CREATOR and THE PRINCE OF PEACE that will restore all things into perfection"!

"Give thanks unto THE LORD, call upon HIS NAME, make known HIS DEEDS among the people". Chronicles 16:8
---Melody on 7/25/18


You own questions and doubts please take them directly to THE LORD and HE'LL give you the faith to understand those things that you are unable to do by yourself - only GOD'S SPIRIT will give you the assurance of those things that in our own humanity cannot understand ourselves: Can we think and act as GOD? - no that's impossible!. . . and there's some hidden things that only when by THE LORD'S GRACE - will be able to totally understand then under HIS PRESENCE: The main thing: "Believe in THE LORD JESUS CHRIST and you shall be saved . . . blessings!

In CHRIST JESUS our LORD -now and forever . . . Melody
---Melody on 7/24/18


//Egyptian so called trinities are not what you have been told// Samuelbb7.

Pagans have always worshipped the trinity... long before Jesus came to earth. God's people either before Christ [as Jews] or after have never copied pagans and their trinitarian form of worship.

You dogmatically state:

//The Bible teaches the Trinity//
Please provide chapter and verse where the Bible says "trinity"!

//GOD the Father, GOD the Son. and GOD the Holy Spirit//
Please provide chapter and verse where the Bible states such a thing!

//One GOD three persons//
Again- chapter and verse please.

It's no good simply repeating what has been drummed into you by your trinitarian masters.
---David8318 on 7/24/18


Who do you pray to, God or Jesus?

When Jesus told the thief "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise." Where was Jesus that day and the following two days?

When Jesus went to pray, who did he pray to? Himself or God.

Again, what did Jesus say to Mary? John 20:16-18

There is only one God, not three.
---Steveng on 7/24/18


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Melody:

Again, those who are born again Christians hear what the Holy Spirit says to them. Unfortunately, there are also many who think they are hearing from the Holy Spirit, but are wrong about that. There's no OBJECTIVE way for a person to know whether he's actually hearing from the real Spirit, or if he's being deluded - because many sincerely believe they are right, yet are wrong. There are many different ways that scripture has been interpreted, and everybody who interprets it their way believes their way is right and other people's ways are wrong. They can't all be right, even though they all sincerely believe they are.
---StrongAxe on 7/24/18


David. The Bible teaches the Trinity. The word or Logos which is a Greek word for the starter of all things. He is Jesus.

GOD the Father, GOD the Son. and GOD the Holy Spirit. One GOD three persons. Egyptian so called trinities are not what you have been told.

We are human being Body and Spirit (Breath of Life) is the Soul.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

This is truth.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/24/18


To Strong Axle:If you are a Born Again Christian and you know what this cult believes and teaches . . . THE HOLY SPIRIT will tell you they are wrong - for they don't give the glory and honor that our LORD JESUS CHRIST deserves as THE LORD GOD that HE IS (not as they believe, that's a blasphemy)- and I'd like to remind you and everyone else what GOD'S WORD says: "If someone comes to you with a different doctrine in opposition to The Scriptures - don't even receive them into your home"! . . . are we going to be in obedience unto THE LORD and HIS WORD or not?
---Melody on 7/23/18


Melody:

Unlike the written word that anyone can see, one's interpretations of what the Spirit says is necessarily subjective. Many people believe they receive guidance from the Spirit, but are wrong.

For example, whenever two individuals or groups both claim the Spirit told them things, and those are clearly incompatible, even if you don't know which is right, you know at least one of them is wrong, possibly even both of them.

Mormons say one should pray about whether the Book of Mormon is inspired scripture, and the Holy Spirit will give you an inward witness about whether it is or not - and Mormons will all tell you that they have this inner witness. Do you think they're right?
---StrongAxe on 7/23/18


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My reply to David8318:

You as an individual soul are free to choose whatever teachings from men without GOD and in their own false interpretations of GOD'S WORD, and myself I'm standing firm and solid in what has come directly from the inspiration of GOD'S SPIRIT and in reference and about THE GODHEAD - THREE IN ONE - THE ONLY TRUE GOD that because of HIS SOVEREING, SUBLIME AND SUPREME DEITY: HE came down from Heaven, took the form of MAN to die for our sins - and to THE LORD, glory to HIS NAME now and forevermore - Amen!
---Melody on 7/22/18


John 1:14 - And the Word became Flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory , the glory as of the only begotten of the father, full of grace and truth.

Matthew 1:23 - Behold a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and the shall call his name Emmanuel which being interpreted is God with us.
---RichardC on 7/22/18


To Samuelbb7: My reply and of course Biblically confirmed and in THE LORD'S AGAPE LOVEPlease start studying The Bible and then you'll be sure of the right answers: And next is what GOD'S WORD says: "Absent from the body, present with THE LORD" - those who have been Born from GOD'S SPIRIT, at the instant they die, they are in Heaven in THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD, and another example of that and coming from our LORD JESUS while HE was at the Cross for HIS MOST SUBLIME SACRIFICE for us all sinners: The thief that was at HIS SIDE, said to HIM: "Lord remember me when you are in your Kingdom" - THE LORD replied: "For sure I tell you, that today you will be with in me in Paradise".
---Melody on 7/23/18


//In the beginning was THE WORD, and THE WORD was with GOD, and THE WORD was GOD//- Melody [7/19/18].

Is Melody [and trinitarians as a whole] saying that "the Word" at John 1:1 is the God it is with? That to anybody doesn't make sense and is not what John wrote.

Perhaps Melody believes that "the Word is with God" and that also "the Word is God"... another God in addition to the God it is "with"!? This is a more likely scenario perpetrated by these pagan trinitarians: Polytheism.

Melody [and the trinitarian fraternity at large] perprtuate the idea of pagan-Polytheism. Two God's "with" eachother.

But clearly, that is not what John wrote!
---David8318 on 7/23/18


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David, you have totally wrong ideas about Church history.

I urge you to read THE APOSTASY THAT WASN"T

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/23/18


//a pagan/idolatrous religion//- Melody [7/22/18].

The false belief that God is "three in one" is not from the Bible, but from ancient pagan Egypt.

In his book "Egyptian Religion", trinitarian Siegfried Morenz notes: "The trinity was a major preoccupation of Egyptian theologians... Three gods are combined and treated as a single being, addressed in the singular. In this way the spiritual force of Egyptian religion shows a direct link with Christian theology" [italics added].

And it doesn't take much digging through history to discover that Christendom can thank pagan Roman Emperor Constantine for introducing the pagan trinity into his newly formed Roman Catholic Church.
---David8318 on 7/22/18


I believe we have to be physically resurrected before we go to heaven.

I also believe that Jesus was physically resurrected. So we will see him in his new Body form. See Revelation.

We will all be in heaven.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/22/18


Cluny:

You are not I. I am not you. You are not Christ. Christ is not me. We may be one, but none of us are one and the same.
---StrongAxe on 7/21/18


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And where all this come from? - from someone that has been possessed by the spiritual darkness that enslave the souls and that come from a pagan/idolatrous religion and in which they voluntarily accepted being part of it and even 'defenders and promoters': "The blind leading the blind".
---Melody on 7/21/18


//In the beginning was THE WORD, and THE WORD was with GOD, and THE WORD was GOD//- Melody [7/19/18].


"kai ho logos en pros ton theon kai theos en ho logos"

"and the Word was with the God and god was the Word".


There are 2 occurences of the Greek word "god" at John 1:1 and they are different. One contains the definite article ["ton theon"], the other is without the definite article [or indefinite- "theos"].

Thus the Word cannot be the God it is "with". A correct translation will read: "and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god", or "divine", "godlike".
---David8318 on 7/22/18


\\not unity in substance.\\

This is EXACTLY what the Nicene Creed says: consubstantialem in Latin, HOMOOUSIOS in Greek.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/21/18


Exactly (Brother or Sister? = Cluny) . . . the Bible interpretation of Steve it's denying GOD'S OWN WORD, and why? - because is under his own human and
erroneous understanding as those cults that teach the same false doctrine and that
they are in such grave and dangerous spiritual error as that of denying our LORD JESUS CHRIST as THE HEAVENLY FATHER that HE is and they dare to even blaspheme and sin against HIS OWN DIVINITY by claiming that HE is least that THE FATHER and even a creation: They don't realize the terrible judgment that awaits those who in that regard bring such offense against THE LIVING GOD and when they'll be under THE LORD GOD'S PRESENCE recognizing their terrible spiritual error!
---Melody on 7/20/18


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John 10:30: I and my father are One.

But also

John 17:21: That they all may be one, as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

It is important to understand what "being one" means. It does NOT mean "being one and the same". If it did, the second verse would mean that you and I are one and the same, which is clearly not true. This indicates unity in purpose, not unity in substance.
---StrongAxe on 7/20/18


Jesus Is the Son of God not God himself. The meaning of 'Son' is "one who has the same nature as." Jesus, as the Son of God, has the very nature of God (John 5:18, 10:30, 19:7).

Jesus said he cannot do anything, but it is the Father who works through Jesus. Jesus was "given" power and authority, by whom? John 13:3, John 17:6-8: 6, John 7:16, John 12:49

Other verses:
Matthew 19:16,17
Matthew 16:15-20
Philippians 2:6-8

Who did Jesus pray to? Matthew 26:36-44

Last, but not least: What did Jesus say to Mary? John 20:16-18
---Steveng on 7/20/18


Apparently the worldly denominational "church" of Steveng does not believe that Jesus is God incarnate.

In other words, it does not believe the Bible.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/19/18


THE LORD IS GOD that became HUMAN to die for us and only through HIS SPIRIT Discernment can we truly accept HIS WORD that THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND THE FATHER ARE ONE . . . Amen - now and forever!

John 14: 8, 9,

"Phillip said unto HIM: LORD, show us THE FATHER, and it suffices us".

9. "JESUS said unto him: Have I been so long time with you, and yet have you not known ME Philip? - HE that has seen ME, has seen THE FATHER: And how you say thou then, show us THE FATHER?".

10. "Believe thou not that I AM in THE FATHER, and THE FATHER IN ME? - the words that I speak unto you I speak not of MYSELF, but THE FATHER that dwells in ME, HE does the works".
---Melody on 7/20/18


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There are many interpretations of the verses Melody quoted - most out of context, most not understanding the original meanings. So, out of the many interpretations which one is the correct? And who interpreted it?

Do other verses throughout the bible agree with what Melody wrote? Is Mark 13:32 wrong? Do other verses in the bible read that Jesus is NOT God?
---Steveng on 7/19/18


Isaiah 43:11 - I , Even I, am the Lord , And beside me there is no Saviour.

Hosea 13:4 - Yet I am the Lord thy God from the Land of Egypt. and thou shalt have no god But Me : For there is no Saviour beside me.

Titus 2:13 - looking for that Blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.

John 10:30 - I and my father are One.

John 12:45 - And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me,

Psalm 144:15 - Happy is the people that is in such a case, yea happy is that people, whose God is the Lord.

1 Corinthians 1:9 - God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his son Jesus Christ our Lord.

Ephesians 4:5 - One Lord , One faith, One Baptism.
---RichardC on 7/19/18


And THE LORD shall be KING over all the earth: In that day shall be there one LORD, and HIS NAME - ONE" - Zechariah 14:9 . . .What a blasphemy for someone here to say that THE LORD JESUS is not GOD: = "For there are THREE that bear record in Heaven: THE FATHER, THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT, and THESE THREE ARE ONE" = 1st John 5: 7 = "For unto us A CHILD is born, unto us A SON is given, and the government upon HIS SHOULDER, and HIS NAME shall be called: WONDERFUL, COUNSELLOR, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, THE PRINCE OF PEACE" = Isaiah 9:6

"In the beginning was THE WORD, and THE WORD was with GOD, and THE WORD was GOD, and by HIM all things were created" = our LORD JESUS CHRIST!
---Melody on 7/19/18


And THE LORD shall be KING over all the earth: In that day shall be there one LORD, and HIS NAME - ONE" - Zechariah 14:9 . . .What a blasphemy for someone here to say that THE LORD JESUS is not GOD: = "For there are THREE that bear record in Heaven: THE FATHER, THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT, and THESE THREE ARE ONE" = 1st John 5: 7 = "For unto us A CHILD is born, unto us A SON is given, and the government upon HIS SHOULDER, and HIS NAME shall be called: WONDERFUL, COUNSELLOR, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, THE PRINCE OF PEACE" = Isaiah 9:6

"In the beginning was THE WORD, and THE WORD was with GOD, and THE WORD was GOD, and by HIM all things were created" = our LORD JESUS CHRIST!
---Melody on 7/19/18


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Jesus is NOT God, but let's reason this out.

God only knows the return of Jesus: "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." Mark 13:32

The Father is the only God as written in the old testament.
---Steveng on 7/18/18


Jesus is God incarnate.

He took flesh at the Annunciation in Luke 1, He was born as divine/human in one person.

Thus was He crucified, rose from the dead, and ascended into heaven.

Thus is He now in heaven, and thus will He return.

His human nature, which includes His physical body, will never be separated from His divine nature.

Glory to Him!
---Cluny on 7/18/18


Carol you will see Jesus at His return to earth, in the body of His resurrection, in the image of the Heavenly, His transformed body, His celestial body. And "we know, that when he shall appear, we shall be like him: for we shall see him as he is." When we see Jesus, we will have seen the Invisible Father In the only way that He will ever be physically perceived, for as Jesus Himself has said, "He who has seen Me has seen the Father" and where Jesus is, the Father and the Holy Spirit will be also.
---Josef on 7/14/18


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