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Is Living Bread Literial

The Bread of Life Discourse:

" I am the living bread that came down from heaven: whoever eats this bread will forever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world." Jhn 6:51

Symbolic or Literal? Make your case.

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 ---Ruben_Ruiz on 8/11/18
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"No, I believe in his words, "for my Flesh is true food."
You are of course as entitled to your belief, as I am to mine.
Man does not live on bread alone, my guess it has the word bread!
My point was made by the verse itself.
I will ask again, where in the bread of life discourse John chapter 6 does it mention consuming his words?
I said "consuming the Father's word, which [Jesus] represented". He didn't need to mention it for me to know that Father's Word is "the bread of life," for His word is life, and is that which feeds, nourishes and sustains the believer.
---josef on 8/15/18


"Representing really,Jesus said the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world." Ruben it is my understanding that the giving of Jesus' flesh represented the setting forth of the mental disposition, and character traits He exhibited during His human experience, as an external example of an elevated life that has recognized and acknowledged the support, refreshment, nourishment, and guidance of the Father's direct Divine inspiration and influence. It was this life that He gave 'for', (over, beyond, and above), the life of the world. The reason He referred to Himself as the bread of life is because He set the standard meant to raise mans standard of living, and enrich his life.
---josef on 8/15/18


josef* " Are you trying to say : " This is hard who can understand this.v 60"
No, but apparently you are.

No, I believe in his words, "for my Flesh is true food. You mention Matthew 4:4 Man does not live on bread alone, my guess it has the word bread! When ask " How can this man give us his flesh to eat" How did Jesus answer this question?

josef*"Where does he says by mentally consuming his word?"
Where, other than the mind, can the Father's word be consumed?

I will ask again, where in the bread of life discourse John chapter 6 does it mention consuming his words ?
---Ruben on 8/15/18


" Are you trying to say : " This is hard who can understand this.v 60"
No, but apparently you are.
"Where does he says by mentally consuming his word?"
Where, other than the mind, can the Father's word be consumed?
---josef on 8/14/18


Nicole_Lacey:

Jesus used symbolic language when he called himself the bread, the lamb, the vine, and the door. He did not have a crust, wool, leaves and grapes, nor hinges. This is not to say what he said wasn't true. It was just true at a level of reality that was different from our literal physical reality.

Jesus knew they wanted physical bread and as always He offered them something better.

Exactly. He was not PHYSICAL bread.
---StrongAxe on 8/14/18




josef * Jesus said, "man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God."

And what are the words that proceeds from his mouth :

". FOR MY FLESH IS TRUE FOOD AND MY BLOOD TRUE DRINK" v ^:54-55

josef * Jesus represented the living bread, (as the living word of God made tangible to man), .

Representing really,Jesus said the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world.

Josef* so he that 'eateth me' (by mentally consuming the Father's word, which He represented), even he shall live by me."

Where does he says by mentally consuming his word? Are you trying to say : " This is hard who can understand this.v 60
---Ruben on 8/14/18


Well said josef
---chria9396 on 8/14/18


Jesus said, "man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God." Jesus represented the living bread, (as the living word of God made tangible to man), representing both Spirit and life. It was His life that He gave for the life of man. And as He also said, "As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that 'eateth me' (by mentally consuming the Father's word, which He represented), even he shall live by me." For the bread of God is He which came down from heaven, It is He that literally gives life unto the world.
---josef on 8/13/18


StrongAxe, tell me what do you think Jesus meant when He called Himself the LIVING Bread in John 6:51.

Also note how He corrects them when they said Moses gave their ancestors bread from Heaven. John 6:31

Instead He called Himself TRUE Bread from Heaven V32-33

Next the people asked for this bread and Jesus plainly tells them He is the Bread several times and several ways after they were shock to hear Him.

Remember they just finish eating bread and followed Him for more bread.

Jesus knew they wanted physical bread and as always He offered them something better.

Instead of bread to sustain life here on earth He offered them Bread for eternity
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/13/18


Ruben, you explain John 6 well.

StrongAxe: Jesus COULD make himself anything he wants, but didn't.//

Says who? Not Jesus.

He tells the Disciples He is Bread every way and more detailed each time He explains Himself.

He doubles downs and triple down His position.

Besides, who ever heard of an OT miracle surpassing a NT miracle?

Moses gave them real bread and Jesus gives us fake bread?

Jesus even tells them He is the Living Bread.

The people ate the manna and still died!

But Jesus states eating Him as the True Living Bread will give us external life
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/13/18




God as a potter, a shepherd, a rock, a fortress, etc.

Jesus as the bread, as the light, as a groom, as a vine, etc.

Christians are the salt.
---Steveng on 8/12/18

Out of all those you mention, which one is the one they question him and why?
---Ruben_Ruiz on 8/13/18


Jesus isn't the lone one in the bible to use "symbols." The Hebrews used metaphors, similes, and parables to understand spiritual matters using worldly language. The OT and NT are full of metaphors, similes, and parables describing God, Jesus and christiaians:

God as a potter, a shepherd, a rock, a fortress, etc.

Jesus as the bread, as the light, as a groom, as a vine, etc.

Christians are the salt.
---Steveng on 8/12/18


Nicole_Lacey:

The most rudimentary common sense that everyone uses every day, except apparently when interpreting scripture.

He was incubated in a womb like a human, not baked like a loaf of bread, not grown from a seed like a vine, nor made on a carpenter's bench like a door.

Jesus COULD make himself anything he wants, but didn't. He SAID "I am the Bread of Life", but he didn't pull a David Copperfield and suddenly become a loaf of bread, with crust and holes and all. He didn't suddenly become a vine with leaves and grapes and all. He didn't become a door with lintel and hinges and all. He was not LITERALLY bread nor vine nor door.
---StrongAxe on 8/12/18


Strong axe* However, in the particular case of this particular blog, "bread" is obviously symbolic.

Lets see:

1. This bread is my flesh given to the world, on the cross by the way. Symbolic according to you.

2.My flesh is TRUE food indeed and my blood is true drink. True means true Yes?

3. When ask How can this man give us his flesh to eat?

How did Jesus response to this question?

A. It's not my real flesh I am talking about or

B. My flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.

Strong axe* Jesus was formed in a womb, and not in an oven. He was made of flesh and blood, not wheat and yeast.

Jesus answer to you:

Does this shock you v 61
---Ruben_Ruiz on 8/12/18


StrongAxe: "bread" is obviously symbolic. Jesus was formed in a womb, and not in an oven.//

Your logic is off.

1. Who are you to decide which is which?

2. You do realize the 2nd PERSON of the Trinity didn't have a Body?

How He decided how to be Human doesn't diminish His power to become anything else.

In fact, He didn't have to be in Mary's womb to be a Human.

He wasn't conceived as a Human as you and I.

He DIDN'T have a Sperm contribution.

So your statement doesn't hold water.

3. Are you claiming Jesus COULDN'T make Himself Bread or Wine if He wants to be Bread and Wine?

He couldn't make Bread and Wine His Body and Blood every time a Priest invokes the Holy Spirit?
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/12/18


Every time the Disciples misunderstand Jesus, Jesus corrects them.

John 11:11-12 "Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep: I am going there to wake him up." (There He was speaking symbolically.)

V14 So then he told them PLAINLY, "Lazarus is dead..."

Jesus corrects them about Lazarus but doubles down on being Bread and Wine which He commands us to ate and drink.

Why?

Because He wasn't speaking symbolically, but literally.

As His Disciples took Him and left. Which the 12 didn't deny it was hard to accept as well but didn't leave because they didn't have anyone to follow.

They allowed their faith in Jesus to overcome any strange command from Jesus.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/11/18


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Ruben_Ruiz:

Yes. Some language is obviously literal, some is symbolic, and some is not so obvious and could be taken either way. However, in the particular case of this particular blog, "bread" is obviously symbolic. Jesus was formed in a womb, and not in an oven. He was made of flesh and blood, not wheat and yeast.
---StrongAxe on 8/12/18


Strong Axe*Jesus used many terms that are necessarily symbolic. When he called himself the "bread of life", he was not calling himself a literal loaf of bread, and when he called himself "the vine", he was not saying he was a plant. He frequently spoke in metaphor, expecting his readers could easily tell the difference between literal and metaphorical language.

He also spoke literally, so if I wanted to say that the Holy Spirit is symbolic then I would be right. It would be up to anyone of us to make this claim. Who decides what is symbolic or literal?
---Ruben_Ruiz on 8/11/18


StrongAxe: He frequent spoke in metaphor, expecting his readers could easily tell the difference between literal and metaphorical language.//

First His Disciples. His Disciples knew He was speaking literally because they left Him! John 6:66

Not when He said He was a Vain, nope. Light of the world, Bridegroom, The Good Shepherd even though EVERYONE knew He was a Carpenter.

Or when He claimed to be the Son of God which that claim could get Him and them Killed.

Noooooo, calling Himself Bread and Wine was OVER THE TOP! Too much to take.

Son of God? Okay, that they could handle.

But Bread and Wine?

Now He crossed the line!

They couldn't abide with such metaphor. John 6:66

REALLY?
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/11/18


Strong axe* Jesus used many terms that are necessarily symbolic. When he called himself the "bread of life", he was not calling himself a literal loaf of bread, and when he called himself "the vine", he was not saying he was a plant. He frequently spoke in metaphor, expecting his readers could easily tell the difference between literal and metaphorical language.

How did they response when he said whoever eats this symbolic bread will never die?

What did Jesus mean when he said this bread is my flesh for the life of the world, what this also symbolic?
---Ruben_Ruiz on 8/11/18


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Jesus used many terms that are necessarily symbolic. When he called himself the "bread of life", he was not calling himself a literal loaf of bread, and when he called himself "the vine", he was not saying he was a plant. He frequently spoke in metaphor, expecting his readers could easily tell the difference between literal and metaphorical language.

Many of us can do that in everyday life, but not when interpreting the Bible. When someone calls a man a pig, or a woman a fox, it's obvious that they are not being literal. Terms like "head of state", "right hand man", "shoulder of the road", "heart of the matter", "calling shotgun", etc. are all equally obvious.
---StrongAxe on 8/11/18


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