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AXE. Again you contradict gospel.

The gospel is BELIEVE ON JESUS, John 3:16.
The will of God is we BELIEVE ON JESUS, John 6:40.
Our works are BELIEVE ON JESUS, John 6:29.

The sin the world is convicted of is UNBELIEF IN JESUS, John 16:9.

But YOU contradict this, and you've long been deflecting to avoid being confronted about this.

Matt 25 is a parable, which those who are spiritually blind/deaf (Matt 13:13-15), like you, will not understand. Jesus was not actually the hungry, thirsty, naked, stranger. Instead it's a message related in a parable.

The hungry. thirsty, naked, strangers, etc refers to the lost (as scripture shows), hence we see the sheep preached the gospel to the lost.

---Haz27 on 8/15/18


Haz27:

Deflecting? Haven't you been paying attention? In Matthew 25, the righteous were selected, NOT because of their correct faith, but SOLELY on one criterion - whether they helped others. AGAIN, for the umpteenth time, how do you explain how this is possible? Why would the righteous in Matthew 25 as, "How did we help you Lord?" if they were Christians, because Christians would ALREADY KNOW the answer to that question?


jerry6593:

Of course. Courts are frequently just theater where judgment is pronounced openly, having already been determined beforehand. Names were written in the Book before it was opened. In our legal system, prosecutors usually don't bring charges unless they're likely to prevail at trial.
---StrongAxe on 8/15/18


AXE. I'm still waiting for you to explain your false doctrine that claims that anti-Christ Muslims, Atheists, Buddhists, etc gain entry into God's kingdom simply based on doing some good physical deeds for the physically needy?

Perhaps you can also explain why you have been persistently deflecting (over many months) to avoid answering this question.

Obviously you fear being confronted and exposed over your contradiction of the gospel of God's kingdom, but you can't keep deflecting for much longer.

---Haz27 on 8/15/18


Steveng: "The second at the end of the thousand year reign of Christ when all the other dead from all of history rise and be judged from the book of life according to their works - some to everlasting death and some to everlasting life."

Not quite. Only the wicked are raised in the second resurrection, and are subsequently destroyed in the lake of fire that destroys Satan & his angels and cleanses the earth. The Judgement must necessarily have been completed BEFORE Jesus return or He wouldn't have chosen who to raise in the first resurrection.


---jerry6593 on 8/15/18


\\The first is when Jesus returns at the beginning of the thousand year reign of Christ when the dead in Christ shall rise and the living shall be caught up with the dead.\\

There is no such thing as a literal earthly millennium, Ssteveng.

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 8/14/18




Oops! I meant:

Atheists do not believe in God. This includes people who have heard about Jesus but reject him, and those who have not heard of him.
---StrongAxe on 8/14/18


Nicole_Lacey:

No. Christians who read Matthew 25 would NOT ask that question, because they ALREADY know the answer.

Atheists believe in God. This includes people who have heard about Jesus but reject him, and those who have not heard of him. Most people who reject Jesus do so because they haven't REALLY heard the gospel to understand it - they've just heard some imperfect presentation that drove them away. Perhaps there's a church on the corner that preaches fire and brimstone, but won't feed them when they're hungry. They rightly reason "I would never worship a cruel and heartless god like these people do." They're not rejecting Jesus. They're rejecting a false pseudo-Jesus projected by a false church.
---StrongAxe on 8/14/18


StrongAxe, Saul was a believer as a Jew, he just didn't think Jesus was the promised Messiah. That's why Jesus could trust him after He showed Himself to him.

I think I understand your argument.

Christians TODAY read Matt 25

By that logic, both groups have to be Christians

All I am saying is that Atheists can't go to Heaven based on how they treat others. Maybe those who haven't heard the Gospel by no fault of their own.

Atheists reject Jesus after hearing about Him claiming there isn't a God so Jesus can't be a God.

Atheists are not sheep.

Remember sheep follow the Shepard.

John 10:27-30

Atheists do not follow Jesus so they are NOT the sheep Jesus allows into His Kingdom.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/13/18


Allow me to lay this debate to rest. There are two resurrections:

The first is when Jesus returns at the beginning of the thousand year reign of Christ when the dead in Christ shall rise and the living shall be caught up with the dead.

The second at the end of the thousand year reign of Christ when all the other dead from all of history rise and be judged from the book of life according to their works - some to everlasting death and some to everlasting life. Revelation 20

Blessed are those that rise in the first resurrection.
---Steveng on 8/12/18


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: No, just as Saul in Acts 9 didn't know he was personally persecuting Jesus.

Exactly! Because at that time, he was not a believer!

The sheep didn't realize they were helping Jesus, when helping their neighbors.

Exactly! Yet Christians WOULD know this, because it's in Matthew 25.
---StrongAxe on 8/12/18




AXE. Because Jesus was speaking in parables, that's why. And it's obvious really. But then your spiritual ears and eyes are closed anyway, hence why you fail to understand God's word (Matt 13:13-15, 1Cor 2:14).

Now back to the question you keep on avoiding. Your heretical doctrine clearly contradicts the gospel.

For almost the past year I've been trying to get you to justify your doctrine that contradicts the gospel, and you constantly deflect to avoid doing so.

Maybe it's time you stop running away. You need to justify your false doctrine.
---Haz27 on 8/12/18


StrongAxe: Matthew 25 "Sheep and Goats" parable, who, exactly, are the righteous that Jesus rewards? If they are believers, why would they ask him how they helped him, since believers should ALREADY have known the answer to that question.//

No, just as Saul in Acts 9 didn't know he was personally persecuting Jesus.

In Matthew, Jesus explained that being a Christian and ignoring others isn't getting you into Heaven. As James 2:14-16

The sheep didn't realize they were helping Jesus, when helping their neighbors.

The goats didn't know they were mistreating Jesus just by NOT helping others.

I am sure the goats would have giving Jesus water, food, clothes, care for Him when sick and visited Him in prison.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/12/18


Haz27:

Again, you refuse to explain how believers would need to ask Jesus how they helped him, since they ought to already know the answer to that question.
---StrongAxe on 8/12/18


NICOLE. Sadly, AXE follows a heretical doctrine that most here have rightly opposed him on.

As you noticed, AXE preaches his hereacy that Atheists, anti-Christ Muslims, Buddhists, etc gain entry into the kingdom of God, simply because of some good deeds they did to the physically needy (his distortion of Matt 25).

When AXE is confronted about how his heretical teaching contradicts the gospel, he resorts to his trademark tactics of deflection, obfuscation, etc.

AXE refuses to address the issue of his contradiction of the gospel, and he is too scared to ever do so.
---Haz27 on 8/11/18


Nicole_Lacey:

I will ask you the same question I asked Haz27 and Melody, but never got a satisfactory reply. In the Matthew 25 "Sheep and Goats" parable, who, exactly, are the righteous that Jesus rewards? If they are believers, why would they ask him how they helped him, since believers should ALREADY have known the answer to that question.
---StrongAxe on 8/12/18


StrongAxe: At the last judgment, atheists who love their neighbor will be praised by Jesus for "doing the will of the father"//

You are making stuff up!

If the Atheists doesn't believe in Jesus as God clearly wants everyone to believe in His Son isn't doing the will of the Father Matthew 7:21-23.

Matthew 17:5b "This is My Son, whom I love, with Him I am well please. Listen to Him!"

I know many Atheists who are very charitable with other people but NOT with Jesus.

They refuse to do what Jesus tells them to do and chalk it up to Jesus doesn't exist.

Like a 9 month old baby that closes his eyes thinking it makes you disappear.

It doesn't work that way.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/11/18


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