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Interesting Nicole would post here when the subject is about gullible Christians being exploited by pastors.

Obviously Nicole never read Acts 20, among other places that even Paul was called to feed the flock, and charges those he is with to continue to feed the flock after he departs for Rome.

Even in Israel there were many shepherds who feed the flock of God....Ezekiel 34 For that matter, and not ONE superior called a pope. The Shepherds here also were not the priests or high priests.

Nicole's "Catholic answers" are what only Catholics believe, and manipulated the scriptures to feed the gullible within the RCC to legitimize their POPE. WE don't believe this Nicole. Only RCC do.
---kathr4453 on 9/21/18


***Vicar of Christ a title of the pope implying his supreme and universal primacy, both of honor and of jurisdiction, over the Church of Christ. It is founded on the words of the Divine Shepherd to St. Peter: "Feed my lambs... Feed my sheep" (John, xxi, 16, 17), by which He constituted the Prince of the Apostles guardian of His entire flock in His own place, thus making him His Vicar and fulfilling the promise made in Matt. xvi, 18, 19... but the title Vicar of Christ is more expressive of his supreme headship of the Church on earth, which he bears in virtue of the commission of Christ and with vicarial power derived from Him. - Catholic Answers
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/21/18


Melody, AMEN to your testimony here. I can actually remember sitting in a high chair not more than 2, on a Sunday morning, (my Father hated God at that time in his life so we were not allowed to go to Church) so my Mother would have Sunday School at home. ..there were 3 of us at the time) anyway, I can remember it like yesterday, singing Jesus Loves me, and being told Jesus loves me. My little heart leaped for joy that someone loved me and I was hooked from then on wanting to know Jesus. Although I was saved at 9, I really didng KNOW HIM until I was 30. I knew about Him, but I didnt KNOW HIM.These next 40 years have gotten better and better. I've had my days of persecution, but through that I KNOW Ephesians 3:14-21 as a reality.
---kathr4453 on 9/21/18


Amen Kathr:
After hearing your testimonial I can see that we have walked similar spiritual pathways, for as a child myself, believing in our LORD JESUS CHRIST came so naturally to me and everything as it was taught from the Bible in The Baptist church where we attended for many years, and my Mother being the Pioneer into bringing us to THE LORD AND THE TRUTH OF THE GOSPEL and the strong spiritual foundation in which we grew up.

At that time I was surrounded by many that were into idolatry (and some bullying me for my being a Christian as a youth) but my spiritual conviction on THE LORD AND HIS WORD stayed solid and firm throughout the years - and by THE LORD'S GRACE: Once you have received TH3 LIGHT - it stays with you forever! :-)
---Melody on 9/20/18


I'd like to clarify something here after reading this back. The Holy Spirit was always in me 'From tthe time I received Him as a child. '. Not 'always' as some teach.

When we are saved we at that time receive the Holy Spirit, but scripture makes it clear WE are also required to do something after we receive it. One is to RECKON yourself dead to the old, and present your members as those alive from the dead to God.

Then we are to YIELD , submit,
Many overlook OBEDIENCE, clearly stated in Romans 6:15-17.

So to receive Jesus Christ is also receiving the whole package..of being made free of sin....but our obedience from the HEART is required. Then Romans 8 is accessible to us 24/7.
---kathr4453 on 9/18/18




Amen Melody. In the early 80's I totally surrendered my life to the Lord, (even though I was saved as a child, ) I had no idea what it was to walk in the Spirit. The Holy Spirit was ALWAYS in me, but the HOW TO escaped me until I OBEYED Romans 6 and Romans 12:1-2. ...TOTAL SURRENDER, and oh boy, life has never been the same. It takes OBEDIENCE , not someone's hands. And obedience daily to walk in the Spirit given us the moment we are saved.

Those who want the cheap way out, ( rejecting the CROSS) Resort to being slain in the spirit or hands laid on them....which never lasts until the next slaying, all for a physical experience.....appealing to the flesh, which I believe is demonic. The POWER OF THE CROSS, is never ending.
---kathr4453 on 9/17/18


In other words, kathr, you can't prove I said what you claimed I did.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/16/18


Amen Kathrn:

THE LORD IS THE only ONE to impart to us sinners HIS PRECIOUS HOLY SPIRIT and when? . . . when in true repentance we came before HIM and accepted HIM as our LORD AND SAVIOR into our spiritual hearts - then HE sealed us with HIS SPIRIT to become GOD'S Children for the now and forever!

Total spiritual blindness and worse than that is blasphemous to say,that the laying of hands of another sinful man like us, could impart THE HOLY SPIRIT: It's so sad how many souls are deceived by these aberrant teachings that trample upon GOD'S WORD AND ADMONITIONS: Let's be praying for THE LORD HIS EVERLASTING LIGHT unto them so they'll be able to get out of the chains of darkness that multitudes are!
---Melody on 9/16/18


Cluny, All one has to do is go back and read the thread. I made a statement that not all needed hands laid on them then or now to receive the Holy Spirit at the time they were saved. You challenged and questioned that. Not once but on every comment you made afterwords. Now you want to play some game here.

Not playing Cluny. We receive the Holy Spirit when we receive Jeuss Christ. Acts does NOT teach one MUST have hands laid on them to receive the Holy Spirit. It actually shows instances where it was not necessary. Only the gullible will be exploited by pastors who insist you MUST have hands laid on you.

If Cluny has issues with this statement then let him PROVE otherwise.

End of discussion.
---kathr4453 on 9/16/18


\\Cluny , first YOU show ALL and every one saved having hands laid on them. \\

First, kathr, cut and paste, giving the date of posting, where I said what you claim I did.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/15/18




Cluny , first YOU show ALL and every one saved having hands laid on them. SO where is your PROOF of dispute? You only dispute by asking more questions that YOU have no back up for. It's not up to me to PROVE you wrong, (as I did anyway, but you seem to disqualify Cornelius,) but for you to prove me wrong.

Also,we have many instances of salvation RE Acts 16:25-34. I personally believe when they were saved they also received the Holy Spirit, however, just because scripture says nothing about that here does NOT mean they didn't receive the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit Is the PROMISE accompanying salvation under the NT. If it's conditional of laying on of hands scripture would certainly make that an important fact.
---kathr4453 on 9/14/18


\\So unless Cornelius receiving the Holy Spirit WITH OUT having hands laid on him was an EXCEPTION to the rule, no scripture backs that up. \\

Give one place, besides Acts 2. where people received the Holy Spirit WITHOUT the laying on of hands.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/14/18


AGAIN, the discussion was not about Gentiles being saved, BUT if the ONLY WAY one could receive the Holy Spirit was to have hands laid on them.

I just happened to show that NOT ALL had hands laid on them. So unless Cornelius receiving the Holy Spirit WITH OUT having hands laid on him was an EXCEPTION to the rule, no scripture backs that up.

This discussion with Cluny was NOT about some exception of Gentiles getting saved.

Peter did not go back and say. " gee wiz, they didnt even need hands laid on them"
---kathr4453 on 9/14/18


Sad but true Strong Ax.

When Cornelius and his family were baptized as Gentiles first by the Holy Spirit and then by water. It was to show Gentiles could become Christians.

Peter was the only Apostle present when that happened. He had some fellow Belivers.

He had to report to James the Brother of Jesus and the other Apostles as well as church leaders for his new and dangerous actions.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 9/13/18


To answer the original blog question:

We are told to be wise as serpents, yet gentle as doves. Sadly, all too may Christians appear to be gentle as serpents, yet wise as doves (e.g. pastors who scapegoat entire groups of people and/or call for people's executions, and the flocks of sheep who agree with them).
---StrongAxe on 9/13/18


Cluny, I believe it is YOUR opinion it is exceptional.

However Ephesians makes no such statement. It says after be believe we are sealed with the Holy Spirit. Also Cluny, to be baptized into Jesus death and then raised up together with HIM, is HIS WORK in us as Romans 6-8 clearly state, where no humans are needed.

Peter and company were NOT amazed that an exception took place. They testified that EVEN THE GENTILES receive the Holy Spirit. If there was "an amazing exception" , Scripture would say so.

It's the Work and ministry of the Holy Spirit to this very day.
---kathr4453 on 9/13/18


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kathr, the conversion of St. Cornelius and his household (which included slaves and servants) is altogether exceptional.

You don't take an exception and make it the rule.

And in any case. St. Peter and other apostles were present.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/12/18


Nicole Vicar means Representative. Pontifex Maximus means High Priest.

So by your statement. He cannot be both. For they are two different things. Is the Pope the only Representative of GOD on earth?

Or is he the High Priest?

From what I read the Bible the answer is no.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/12/18


Healings occur in many different churches. They even occur sometimes through the prayers of non-Christians. God is gracious.
---Johnny74 on 9/12/18


Cluny, WHEN did it become necessary? I showed it was not ALWAY necessary, yet we have churches who still believe it is.
---kathr4453 on 9/12/18


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\\So, hopefully you don't believe no one can receive the Holy Spirit unless you or an Orthoxox person lays hands on them. \\

You're beginning to catch on, Kath.

But I noticed that you did NOT answer my questions.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/11/18


Well Cluny, actually Cornelius is one example where no hands were laid on him or his family, and we see they did receive the Holy Spirit when they received the Gospel. So, hopefully you don't believe no one can receive the Holy Spirit unless you or an Orthoxox person lays hands on them.
---kathr4453 on 9/11/18


we also see some had hands laid on them simply to receive the Holy Spirit at the time of salvation, we see TODAY that is not necessary. \\

When did this become unnecessary, Kath?

Please give the exact date.

Healings and miracles happen in Orthodoxy all the time. I don't know about your church.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/11/18


In regards to James, we see in the early church, miracles of signs and wonders were present, where Bibles were not in every household, we also see some had hands laid on them simply to receive the Holy Spirit at the time of salvation, we see TODAY that is not necessary.

So one must put many of these scriptures in historical perspective. Even when Paul said its better not to marry, was from an historical perspective that at that time the Church AKA THE BODY OF CHRIST, was persecuted and murdered and hunted down like dogs. From that perspective it probably was better not to marry. We were always told to MULTIPLY and procreate. If Pauls words were taken as an absolute for everyone at all time, we would be like the Shakers...EXTINCT.
---kath4453 on 9/11/18


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Actually Samuel, scripture states after two or three admonitions REJECT. SO, in fact continuing this dialogue with Nicole, that has gone on for a few years now, where we see many have testified to Nicole, shows she has a seared conscience, also showing our own disobedience. She doesn't even listen to those who have sugar coated their words.

Paul didn't sugar coat words to Peter in Galatia, but was down right blunt ....so, I guess it depends on who you are dealing with. Someone NEW to a discussion certainly. Someone who's conscience proves seared ...can't hear whether it's blunt or wrapped in sugar and spice and everything nice we are to REJECT.
---kathr4453 on 9/10/18


\\James 5:14-15 ..Let them call the ELDERS of the Church to pray over them and ANOINT them with oil in the name of the Lord (StrongAxe, one of the Sacraments)....If they have sinned, they will be FORGIVEN.\\

The Greek word used is PRESBYTEROI, plural of PRESBYTEROS.

This word is where we get the English word "priest," through the middle English form "prester".

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/10/18


Samuel: we have only one High Priest. His name is Jesus.//

Who is claiming otherwise?

//The Pope is not it.//

Cite a Catholic saying the Pope is the High Priest. We say the Pope is the Vicar of Christ.

You all make up your own dialogue and add us to your script.

Kathr, explain why ANYONE from the Head of Community has to come to anoint someone to have their sins forgiving.

Kathr, you response to Samuel about me actually crack me up.

It was funny and amusing. GOOD ONE.

//Especially with Nicole who is arrogant in her replies back to those who do dip their words in chocolate. And sugar coat.//

Cite my response and if right I will apologize.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/10/18


Nicole we have only one High Priest. His name is Jesus. The Pope is not it.

Heb 3:1

Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus,

Heb 4:14

Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

Kathr I understand your point. But to me it makes it harder for the person to listen. Since their emotions will get in their way.

Agape to all.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/10/18


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Calling for the elders is not the same as your RCC Priesthood. Even James does not claim to be a priest.

Samuel_e. I speak the truth, and do not feel with some folks it needs to,have grape jelly rubbed all over it so Nicole can swallow it more easily. That's not what speaking the truth in love means. Especially with Nicole who is arrogant in her replies back to those who do dip their words in chocolate. And sugar coat.

ALSO! There is nothing in the NT that says anyone must wear certain kinds of hats or robes etc either. This is actually MOCKING the OT priesthood. If that fact offends others, then they need to take it to the Lord. It's pretentious and self righteous nonsense.
---kathr4453 on 9/10/18


Kathr: Nicole James 5 says NOTHING about going to a priest//

James 5:14-15 ..Let them call the ELDERS of the Church to pray over them and ANOINT them with oil in the name of the Lord (StrongAxe, one of the Sacraments)....If they have sinned, they will be FORGIVEN.

Why call an Elder if you can just pray themselves?

//...it says one another. And it says FAULTS, that you may be healed....not forgiven.//

WOW, THAT'S IN V 16. Right AFTER the word FORGIVEN at the END OF V 15.

After V 16 in V 17 James speaks about Elijah praying to God to CONTROL the rain.

Explain V 20 I thought Jesus paid for ALL our sins and we didn't have to DO anything? Explain over a multitude of sins. BTW, it doesn't say ALL either.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/10/18


THANK YOU SAMUEL!!!!

Kathr: levels of Priests in silly costumes//

Are you saying Jewish Priests have br>
Catholic Priests copied Jewish Priests wardrobes that God Himself DESIGNED.

So ONLY Caiaphas was sacrificing animals?

Plus why is there an 's' behind the words 'chief priests'? Matthew 26:3

And why were the chief priest still not the a high priest?

Plus, I don't know what you think the word 'chief' means but I understand it to mean their are LOWER priests than them.

BUT, there seems to be a higher priest than them because the high priest was named.

**Then the chief priests and the elders of the people assembled in the palace of the high priest, whose name was Caiaphas. Matt 26:3
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/10/18


Dear Kathr. I think you need soften your words. Harsh words do not teach. They drive people away. We should speak and teach in love.

You have truths I agree with. But we are to be loving and kind.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 9/10/18


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Nicole James 5 says NOTHING about going to a priest .....it says one another. And it says FAULTS, that you may be healed....not forgiven. It was simply to be humble before one another, where no one was ABOVE another.

In the NT we are ALL a spiritual priesthood, where there is only ONE High Priest...Jesus Christ. We do not forgive sins, nor do we offer sacrifice for sin for ourselves or another.

So again the Catholic Church making some "earthly priesthood" , with levels of Priests in silly costumes and only levels who can hear and forgive sin is not scriptural. ITS A CULT, MIMICKING and MOCKING God. And then have the audacity to laugh in people's faces when rebuked. Evil upon evil.
---kathr4453 on 9/10/18


Nicole
Though we may disagree, I know your intentions are good.

Religion is not all together bad. As a child I loved the stories about the people God loved in the Bible. In retrospect, I guess I wanted that type of relationship with God too. And I searched for it using religion to guide me. Never got very far in any of them.

I found that relationship outside of church, when I decided to seek God on my own, one last time. I know the Truth, because I live in the Grace of God every day. Didnt understand, at the time, why God chose me. But over the next few years, Gods Holy Spirit showed me why I was chosen.

In other words, I know the Truth when I hear it, because I received the Truth from the source.
---David on 9/10/18


\\Nicole, this may go over your head, but we see here only two types of priesthoods God speaks about. \\

WRONG!

There are several kinds of priesthood in the Bible.

||No one EVER IN THE OT OR NEW was told they must go to a priest to confess their sin. NOT EVEN your other verse makes such a claim.
---kathr4453 on 9/8/18||

WRONG AGAIN!

Or is James 5 simply not in your Bible?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/9/18


Christians are certainly being exploited by politicians!
---Johnny74 on 9/9/18


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\\The written word is a great source to find the Truth, but that is only, if you know where to look.\\

You don't actually think that YOU know where to look in the Bible for truth, do you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/9/18


Hebrews 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

Nicole, this may go over your head, but we see here only two types of priesthoods God speaks about. Stop,trying to change the subject by using a verse and adding your own definition and doctrine to it. God doesn't, so you shouldn't either.

No one EVER IN THE OT OR NEW was told they must go to a priest to confess their sin. NOT EVEN your other verse makes such a claim.
---kathr4453 on 9/8/18


David, please don't take this the wrong way.

But you or people like you stop going to Church because you don't want someone telling you how to worship God.

That's like a Jew stop going to the Temple or Synagogue because they don't want to follow the rules set by men.

But you are forgetting that Jesus told the Church how He wants to be worshiped Him.

What do you think about Matthew 23:2-3?

Also in the same chapter Jesus gives the Pharisees and Scribes a tongue lashing.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/8/18


Kathr: It wasn't u til AARON and sons, along with the building of the Tabernacle, and all associated with the tabernacle ...Mercy Seat, Ark, Holy of Holies etc that we see a very specific priesthood.//

NO YOU didn't see a specific priesthood and still do not understand. But I saw it before Exodus 28

Aaron and sons were HIGH Priests.

As in the CC we have levels of Priesthood. Bishops have the fullness of the Priesthood in which they can ordain a person. Priests can not.

Everyone man is a Priest of his household.

Look at the Passover. Each family procured a lamb for their household. Exodus 12:3

Just because you are unaware it doesn't mean someone else is wrong.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/8/18


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Nicole
I stopped going to church a long time ago. I witness to those who God puts in my path, but dont waste my time arguing with the Bible.

The written word is a great source to find the Truth, but that is only, if you know where to look. It is a great practical application reference, a reference I have used successfully to turn the most stalwart atheists to God. Not by words, but by Gods action in their lives, when they follow the Truth.

Someday I pray, you will read and only follow what is taught in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, making that your foundation of Truth. And through Gods intervention, you will learn the Truth.
---David on 9/8/18


Nicole, I said there were priests BUT we're not sure what they did. It wasn't u til AARON and sons, along with the building of the Tabernacle, and all associated with the tabernacle ...Mercy Seat, Ark, Holy of Holies etc that we see a very specific priesthood. Even Egypt had priests, so just saying priest doesn't mean it was the kind of priesthood like Aaron and sons were to uphold.

And now that Jesus has stated there is no more need for anything like the Aaron priesthood, since there is no more sacrifice for sin, ( Jesus paid the debt once and for all) then there is no need for some HIGHER priest in the RCC to confess sin to. Even in the OT, or NT no one confessed personal sins to a Priest, or were even told to.
---kathr4453 on 9/8/18


David: Can you confess your sins to anyone?//

Yes, God wants us to reconcile to each other.

But I think you mean can we get absolution from anyone.

Only a Valid Priest which are only in the Catholic and Orthodox Church can absolve mortal sins. John 20:23

Kathr, here's my so called made up Bible Facts:

Exodus 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel

(all 12 tribes)

Exodus 32:28-29

V29 Consecrate yourselves to day to the Lord,even every man upon his son, and upon his brother, that he may bestow upon you a blessing this day.

No need to make stuff if you study the Bible.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/7/18


Jesus Christ's "sheep", not only leaders, can tell the difference between a predator and a good shepherd > John 10:1-30.

So, in case a preacher is fooling people, the preacher is being exploited by Satan so the preacher does not know how to love. So, he or she is paying a great price for using people.

And the people are wrong to fool themselves into trusting someone our Shepherd would not guide us to trust. Because Jesus makes His sheep able to tell the difference.

And yet, when people get betrayed and hurt and used, ones of them never deal with the fact that they were wrong because they did not make sure with God about who He would guide them to trust.
---Bill on 9/7/18


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David, the English word "priest" is a contraction of the Greek word PRESBYTEROS, thorugh the middle English form "prester".

A presbyter is not the same thing as a IERVES, which is the celebrant of a service in the Orthodox Church.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/7/18


That's why the Catholic Church states everyone is a Priest, Prophet and King.-Nicole

Nicole
I honestly didnt know that. Can you confess your sins to anyone? Or do they need to be a member of the Catholic Church?
---David on 9/7/18


I'm not sure what Nicole is talking about that EVERY TRIBE had a priesthood before God took it away from them and gave it to Aaron. I see no scripture to back that up. It appears yes there were priests, but nothing about what their job was. And it was Exodus 28 God established the priesthood with AAron and sons with very specific duties, how they dressed, and the do's and dont's of that office.

Also the Apostles do not represent one from every tribe, again another fabrication of either Nicole or the RCC. There is no scripture to bac up Jesus looking for His 12 that had to represent one from every tribe.....seeing two were brothers from the same tribe debunks that theory right out the gate.
---kathr4453 on 9/7/18


Samuel: Peter says all Christians are priests.//

That's why the Catholic Church states everyone is a Priest, Prophet and King.

Priest as in to making daily sacrifices.

Remember that all tribes were Priests as well until it was strip from them and given to ONE tribe.

Even in the Priesthood there were different of levels of Priests.

Prophet: Because we should proclaim the return of Christ and what needs to be done to us to be accepted into His Kingdom.

King: Because through Jesus we are adopted sons and daughters.

Jesus is royalty so are we.

Royalty comes in different levels as well.

Just look at Prince William and Harry.

They are NOT in the same status. But both are royalty.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/6/18


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That's exactly right Samuel. This is why we believe in the individual priesthood of the believer, and our only Pope so to speak is Jesus Christ. And Peters verses make that clear. Also, PROVING Peter never assumed any such role as a pope over any church or head of any such RCC. Also showing no succession of popehood doctrine.

---kathr4453 on 9/6/18


Peter says all Christians are priests.

1Pe 2:5

Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

1Pe 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people, that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
---Samuelbb7 on 9/6/18


Melchizedek offers the SAME thing as Catholic Priests

Genesis 14:18-19 Bread and Wine. Jesus is the High Priest. At the last supper Jesus INSTRUCTED the 12 to "DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCES OF ME."

Levite priesthood has One high Priest and many lower Priests.

//Melchizedek had no mother or father that people knew about.

But you know ONLY Jesus was conceded by the Holy Spirit.

Are you suggesting otherwise?

//The Priests in the Catholic Church, are they more like the Levite priesthood, or the one of Melchizedek?//

Both, they offered Lamb: We Jesus as the Lamb

Melchizedez: Bread and Wine

US: Jesus' Body and Blood as Bread and Wine.

Accepted with an OPEN HEART AND MIND
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/5/18


The NT is nothing more than a couple of journals accounts and several letters about a man called Jesus. Tens of thousands of journals and letters can be found that could filled a small library - many of these journals and letters can be found in three large libraries - two in eastern europe and one in egypt. Also, the romans were very meticulous in keeping records which can be found in rome including the court appearances of a man who today is called Jesus.
---Steveng on 9/5/18


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Nicole
Hebrews 7 tells us that Jesus is a Priest in the order of Melchizedek, not like the priesthood of Aaron.

The levite priesthood was comprised of Aarons descendants, so there were many priests. Melchizedek had no mother or father...and no descendants, therefore he was not a priesthood, he was the only priest.

The Priests in the Catholic Church, are they more like the Levite priesthood, or the one of Melchizedek?

There is your proof, but it is only irrefutable, if you accept it.
---David on 9/5/18


David: If the Bible mentioned a priesthood or a pope in the New Testament, I would agree with their assertion, but it doesnt.//

Just because you interpreted the gospels doesn't mean it isn't.
Many passages of the new replacing the old.
When Jesus and the Disciples are getting grain on a Saturday. Jesus explains He is greater than David and the disciples are the new Priests
New wine into new wine skins.
12 Disciples replacing the 12 tribes. Remember all tribes were supposed to be Priests until the calf incident.

Many more I will give

//If you like, I can show you irrefutable biblical proof, the Catholic Priesthood was not the one established by God, when Jesus ascended into Heaven//

Sure
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/4/18


Even though your comment isn't true since the Catholic Church gave the Gospels of Christ to the world.---Nicole_Lacey on 9/3/18

Nicole
The Catholic Church does make this claim, and I have honestly given the Bible a thorough study and can not substantiate their claim.

If the Bible mentioned a priesthood or a pope in the New Testament, I would agree with their assertion, but it doesnt. What biblical proof can you show me, that proved to you, Jesus established a priesthood here on Earth?

If you like, I can show you irrefutable biblical proof, the Catholic Priesthood was not the one established by God, when Jesus ascended into heaven.
---David on 9/4/18


David, I wouldn't go as far as to,say Graham , Rogers or Charles Stanley are in hell or going to hell. Some plant, some water, but God gives the increase. There are many BABY CHRISTIANS, who seem to have made it to,the top, just like we see Baby TRUMP make it to the top. Their works may or may not be wood hay and stubble, but they still may be saved themselves.

It's wrong for you to decide who is going to hell. Who knows, someone who knows more than you may think you are going to hell too. Be careful.

You know, we are all given GIFTS of the Spirit to minister. Many are forcing a gift they were never given, and fall flat. It doesn't mean they are not saved.
---kathr4453 on 9/4/18


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Me: But the Catholic Church DOESN'T believe Graham is in hell for sincerely following Jesus in his own conscience as you.---Nicole_Lacey

David: Nicole I would agree if my teachings came from the Catholic Church, but I am held to the Gospel of Christ. I am not allowed to make it up to fit my doctrine.//

Even though your comment isn't true since the Catholic Church gave the Gospels of Christ to the world.

IT WAS A GOOD COMEBACK!

At least you replied unlike some on CN.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/3/18


But the Catholic Church DOESN'T believe Graham is in hell for sincerely following Jesus in his own conscience as you.---Nicole_Lacey

Nicole
I would agree if my teachings came from the Catholic Church, but I am held to the Gospel of Christ. I am not allowed to make it up to fit my doctrine.
---David on 9/3/18


The problem is that Billy Graham and many others do not listen to Jesus. They have let themselves be deceived by men. Matt 24:1-14, Matt 17:5.

What doctrine did Jesus teach? Religious leaders today tell us that the old teaching has been replaced by new doctrine. How can that be? "Heaven and earth shall pass away but my words shall not pass away." Matt 24:35.

"My doctrine is not mine, but His that sent me. If any man will do His will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it is of God or whether I speak of myself. He that speaks of himself, seeks his own glory but he who seeks the glory of Him who sent him, the same is true and no unrighteousness is in him." John 7:15-19.

---barb on 9/2/18


David, that's not how you came across. Your claiming your faith is right and Graham found out in hell he was wrong.

That's assuming you are right and he is wrong.

Which throws me into the mix because I believe you both are wrong because the Catholic Church is right.

Which will get many on CN to say no all 3 of us are wrong and their faith is right.

See how that works?

But the Catholic Church DOESN'T believe Graham is in hell for sincerely following Jesus in his own conscience as you.

Jesus' second Name is MERCY!

He died for Graham you didn't.

Why don't we let JESUS decide who going to hell?

BTW, don't mess with Dr. Charles Stanley. :D

I love the man even if we don't agree.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/2/18


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David: Don't like to join into argumentations like many do in these blogs, but now and reading what you have said about Charles Stanley false teachings: Be specific and mention in which way hecontradicts your 'true gospel'??? _ I have been listening to him for years, and I do believe that his teachings go in line with GOD'S WORD and true Christianity as many other Christians agree in that!

Waiting for your response ... Melody
---Melody on 9/2/18


God did everything necessary to save your soul by the cross of Christ. If there is something left for God to do for you, then he hasn't done it all, and you are not complete in Him. Without the truth, people believe lies, and become gullible.
If you believe the grace of God is sufficient, then the Bible says you are complete in Christ, (Col 2:10, 2 Cor 12:9).
When you hear something that is too good to be true, ask yourself, is this what the Bible says when rightly divided. If its not the Bible rightly divided, then it is highly suspect if not a lie (Rom 3:4, 2 Tim 2:15-16).

Dont believe everything you hear. Compare what you hear to the Bible rightly divided. Then choose to believe your Bible.
---michael_e on 9/2/18


Nicole
Billy Graham...unknowingly...was a false teacher, like many teachers in the church. But when they die, then they will know the Truth.

Many false teachers deserve what God has in store for them. But men like Billy Graham, Adrian Rodgers and Charles Stanley earnestly believe in their false doctrines and have tried to live for Christ. They will suffer the same fate...and this truly saddens me. (Matthew 18:6)

They will learn the Truth, but only in death, when they go to hell. (Luke 16:19-26). Then they will wish they could come back too, but its too late for them. Sad...very Sad.
---David on 9/2/18


David: Take Billy Graham. He followed Dwight Moody. Graham was a good fellow, meant well and truly believed he taught the truth, but only in death has he realized, his salvation message was nothing but a lie.//


Did his make a confession on his death bed?

Please elaborate?
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/1/18


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God is a very JEALOUS GOD, and will protect those who belong to HIM. We all start off as babies, who yes many times will eat anything. But even as babies, The Lord WILL stick His finger down your throat and make you throw it up if it will make you sick.

Then there are YOUNG MEN who have grown and have overcome the evil one, THEN we mature into Fathers of the faith leading others. 1 John makes this clear.

And YES we all get disciplined, and a wipping occasionally to bring us to a Godly and Holy Life. Hebrews 4

So yes, we do start out gullible.....but we don't stay there.
---kathr4453 on 9/1/18


God warned us about following the teachings of men. Those who ignore this warning are easily deceived, which is why God gave the warning.

Pastors who teach these false doctrines do not intend to deceive, because they themselves were deceived, by the doctrines of men they trusted.

Take Billy Graham. He followed Dwight Moody. Graham was a good fellow, meant well and truly believed he taught the truth, but only in death has he realized, his salvation message was nothing but a lie.

Sad really, for I personally loved the guy.
---David on 9/1/18


Dear Strong Ax

We keep agreeing. People are going to start looking at us as Christian brothers.

Which I am glad to be with all who accept Jesus.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 8/31/18


Cluny:

If some Christians are foolish and search out every stray wind of doctrine, and pastors accomodate them, it IS the pastor's fault for doing so, because they're not doing the job they are called to do.

Every Christian ought to behave like the Bereans - not just accept everything that comes out of a preacher's mouth at face value, but to examine it in light of the scriptures "to see if it is so".
---StrongAxe on 8/30/18


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John 10:1 - Verily , Verily , i say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

John 10:2 - But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.

John 10:3 - To him the porter openeth, and the sheep hear his voice , and he calleth his own sheep by name, and laedeth them out.

John 10:4 - And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him:for they know his voice,

John 10:5 - And a stranger will they not follow, But will flee from him: For they know not the voice of a strangers,
---RichardC on 8/30/18


Yes some are. Some just do not want to take the time to check.

Are many being exploited by Pastors. I do not believe the majority of local church pastors do that.

But these multi-million Jet flying, men who live in million dollar mansions sure to fleece the sheep.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/30/18


to cluny

it is NOT THE PASTOR's fault. really. a pastor will say "OBEY or you are not a christian or you lack faith" or this endless shame, guilt tripping tactics-then you are FORCE to obey - look at these rich pastors living a comfortable life. they don't practice what they preach - many christians end up being martyrs but pastors live a comfortable life. that is why christianity is BRAINWASHING - not to clean you brain but christianity replacing common sense with ignorance & stupidity bec. that is what GOD says. furthermore when you present a verse that is totally opposite their 'doctrine' they will call you a cult. now I really believe you cluny is stupid & gullible because you are defending their stupid teaching.
---mike on 8/30/18


Unfortunately we have been trained to follow and that all too often without anyone encouraging us to do our own homework. And some churches have very bad and unbiblical or unbalanced doctrines . Does one have to speak in tongues, read only the King James Bible (a product of the Anglican Church), vote against those that have been divorced for any church office, etc. etc. etc.?????
---RioLion on 8/30/18


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It's easier to persuade someone to believe an outrageous story than persuade them to believe the Bible rightly divided. People are gullible.
I remember the story of the boy who came back from heaven? There was even a book.
No doubt you have heard stories of miraculous healing. Gullible people believe them. They believe most everything they hear.
One man years ago claimed to have healed hundreds of thousands, and that all that came to him were healed. The dead were raised, the blind see, the lame walk, the infirmed were healed.
Study the Bible rightly divided for yourself.
---michael_e on 8/30/18


To Mike . . . my answer:

Christianity have different levels on spiritual maturity: A Born again Christian, even thou he has become saved at that moment when he repented before THE LORD and accepted HIM as SAVIOR AND LORD, he still haven't acquired the knowledge and wisdom that GOD'S WORD impart us, so then, under that spiritual immaturity, he could fall under errors and under someone that profess to be Christian to take advantage of them and exploit them with their "prosperity Gospel' as many are doing now!
---Melody on 8/29/18


Some Christians seem to chase after the latest "Lo, here, lo, there!"

It's not necessarily the pastors' fault.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/29/18


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