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Release The Last Penny

Matthew 5:26 " Amen, I say to you, you will not be released until you have paid the last penny.

Now we know in Heaven there is no penny to pay and in hell it is too late for that.

Where is the other place where we can be release? comments!

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Does Nicole really unable to understand some things or just to contradict in defense of those things that are not originally from The Scriptures and just being emissary to spread the errors that she is in and don't want to admit it?

Martin Luther left the Catholic church after THE LORD opened up his spiritual eyes that he was in a place where they weren't giving honor unto THE LORD by desecrating HIS PRECEPTS under idolatrous and false doctrines - and of course - it's so clear to understand that: After THE LORD set him free, HE recognized THE ONLY TRUE AND ORIGINAL WRITINGS in GOD'S WORD - only 66 books not the ones that under blindness he was following before . . . Amen!
---Melody on 10/8/18


If you think one's fate is sealed at the time of death."
The way I understand it Nicole, ones fate isn't sealed until one is judged at the "great white throne of judgement".
"Please explain why atonement are made for dead people?" Because all have sinned.
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---josef on 10/8/18


Josef, thanks for giving us expiatory definition. So we already know the men are dead. And expiatory sacrifices are made for dead men.

If you think one's fate is sealed at the time of death. Please explain why atonement are made for dead people?

Monk, you misunderstood me. Please start at the beginning of our conversation (Chria and I) for a full understanding.

Everyone else: Please explain why Luther had 73 book Bible as a Catholic Priest, but you only 66 book Bible when he died?
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/8/18


Samuel

So the very worst one can expect from God is annihilation. Maybe that's not so bad. But I have greater hopes than that for Humanity.
---Johnny74 on 10/7/18


Johnny Doctrine doesn't save and never will.


Those who are Born Again will be saved. They will be know by their love of GOD and love of others.

Those who die in hell will be know by their selfishness and hatred of others.

When they have been punished for their sins. They die and cease to exist.

Love to all.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/7/18




Nicole one last thought concerning purgatory, Jesus offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, [that's what the expiatory sacrifices of the O.T. foreshadowed], then sat down in the complete power and authority of the Father. And If we sin wilfully, through unbelief, after that we have received the knowledge of that truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins. The only sacrifice remaining is of praise continually, which is the fruit of our lips, giving thanks to Him for what He has done for us as believers. For the believer knows that he was manifested to take away our sins. [Expiation is for the atonement of sins, of both the living and the dead who will believe]. Final payment has been made, the sin debt satisfied.
---josef on 10/7/18


The gospel, "good news," seems to be pretty much bad news for almost everybody except a few select Christians with impeccable theology.
---Johnny74 on 10/6/18


To those that in spite of hearing through the years THE TRUTH OF THE GOSPEL - they keep spreading their false doctrines, and not recognizing their reprobate condition that awaits GOD'S JUDGMENT upon them when they are under HIS PRESENCE!

"But cowards who turn back from following ME , and those who are unfaithful to ME, and corrupt = (those who change GOD'S WORD to deceive the souls and abuse othes), and murderers (in the spiritual and physical sense), and the immoral and idol worshipers and all liars (the followers of the 'Harlot' that has been sending multitudes of souls away from Eternal Life and into perdition). . . their doom is in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone: This is the Second Death". = Revelations 22:8 -
---Melody on 10/6/18


Nicole Lacey said, " Chria, yes as you ONLY pray for people who are sick Matt 9:12"

Nicole, I hate to disagree with you, but you can pray for anyone! At any time!
---Monk_Brendan on 10/6/18


Just because centuries ago someone added falseness into The Bible - that doesn't mean it belongs there - read what THE LORD will do or already has done to those who under rebellion against HIS HOLINESS AND SUPREMACY - have done that and those in the now that keep on spreading such false and corrupt doctrines!

"For I testify unto every man that hears the words of The Prophecy of this Book: If Any man shall add unto these things, GOD shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this Book".

"And if any man shall take away from the words of the Book of this Prophecy: GOD shall take his part out of The Book of Life, and out of The Holy City, and from the things written in this Book". Revelation 22: 18,19
---Melody on 10/6/18




Please tell me what do you think Expiatory means? Nicole
Webster: Expiatory-able to make atonement, offered by way of expiation.
Expiation-the means by which atonement or reparation is made.
Reparation-the making of amends for wrong or injury done:
Strongs: Atonement-to satisfy a debt, to appease, pardon, or purge sin.
The high priests of the O.T. offered sacrifices every year, for his own sins, and for the people. But Jesus died and rose again that He may be Lord of both the living and the dead. He is the expiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. [potential believers of every nation, both the living and the dead]. What is your definition, and where did you find it?
---josef on 10/6/18


expiate

verb
atone for (guilt or sin).
"their sins must be expiated by sacrifice"
synonyms: atone for, make amends for, make up for, do penance for, pay for, redress, redeem, offset, make good
"the desire to expiate his sins"
---Johnny74 on 10/6/18


Nicole the Apocrypha was removed by Protestants because it was not truly part of the Bible. But that has nothing to do with Salvation. For anyone.

The Wicked will suffer until they have been punished enough. Then they will cease to exist.

As the Bible says the wages of sin is death. Not eternal life in torture.

The Soul is not immortal. We are mortal until the Second coming.

So this phrase is pointing to the truth. When they wicked are fully punished they will cease to exist.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/6/18


Josef: (Me): "Expiatory sacrifices were ONLY for the dead not the living."

You don't really believe this do you Nicole? If so, why?

Yes!

Break down the word 'Expiatory'.

It's only for those who expired. Died

Please tell me what do you think Expiatory means?

Maybe I can understand where you are coming from.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/5/18


"Expiatory sacrifices were ONLY for the dead not the living."
You don't really believe this do you Nicole? If so, why?
---josef on 9/28/18


Nicole verses 44-46 sums up verses 40-43 better than I ever could. "If he were not expecting the fallen to rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. But if he did this with a view to the splendid reward that awaits those who had gone to rest in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be absolved from their sin." The verses, in my view, demonstrates the authors belief in the resurrection, and the possibility that somehow redemption was possible for the sin of those who had died. That possibility was realized through the atoning sacrifice of Jesus. All praises to the Father, for it is a given that all have sinned.
---josef on 9/26/18


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Josef, did you read Maccabees 12:40-43?

What's your opinion?
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/26/18


"I truly believe you believe in the Truth of Jesus as directed by your Church and the Bible." Yes, I believe in the truth of Jesus as biblically stated. An organization has nothing to do with my beliefs, I have no religious affiliation, anything that I share that happen to agree with a certain denomination is purely coincidental. However, you are absolutely correct Nicole, I respect your beliefs as directed by your church. I recognize that whatever you believe to be true, for you is truth, and who am I to argue your truth? "We are having these dialogues in a respectable way." And they will remain respectful, as long as we both remain respectful. Disrespect breeds contempt, and true dialogue becomes improbable.
---josef on 9/26/18


Josef: Nicole these posts are not meant to denounce your beliefs, but rather to express my own.//

Indeed, I believe this is HOW we should communication on CN.

I truly believe you believe in the Truth of Jesus as directed by your Church and the Bible.

As you believe the same for me.

We are having these dialogues in a respectable way.

At least you are entertaining the Books of Maccabees with me since they are not in your Bible. Many on CN refuse to entertain.

You are trying to explain to me even in those Books that they as well are not proof for the existence for Purgatory.

If only Melody would follow your lead. We could continue a dialogue with each other as well.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/25/18


Samuel, just because a person centuries ago removed parts of the Bible doesn't mean is isn't part of the Bible.

If someone made millions of Bibles without Luke. And 5 centuries later someone said the 'Prodigal son parable' isn't in the Bible would you agree?

//an invention of the RCC.//

As the RCC is invention of Protestants.

It's a made up group in your head. Since you can't find this group you put it on another group.

Next you all will call Baptists AB.

BTW the 'A' isn't for American (They do exist) but 'A' for Atlanta as in the Atlanta Baptist.

Or Southern Baptist Convention should NOT be called SBC, but NTSBC since it's headquarters is located in Nashville, TN.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/25/18


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Josef, V40 they are dead but V42 they STILL prayed for the dead for their sin to be FULLY blotted out. Suggesting NOT enough. More is needed.

V43a He then took up a collection among all his soldiers, amounting to two thousand silver drachmas, which he sent to Jerusalem to provide for an expiatory sacrifice.

Expiatory sacrifices were ONLY for the dead not the living.

V43b In doing this he acted in a very excellent and noble way, inasmuch as he had the resurrection in mind,

Meaning they will be resurrected soon due to Jesus' Resurrection.

But the Resurrection wasn't a hope for the nameless rich man who mistreated Lazarus prior to Jesus Rising from the dead.

His fate was set in stone. Luke 16:26
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/25/18


Chria, yes as you ONLY pray for people who are sick Matt 9:12

Ironically, the Pharisees didn't think they were sinners actually were sinners. They ONLY thought tax collectors and others eating with Jesus were sinners.

Thus, as you said ONLY GOD KNOWS the heart.

It isn't our place to say someone is in Heaven.

BTW, which that's all I heard at EVERY Protestant's funeral I have been.

Not one Protestant is in hell according to their Pastor.

Priests are NOT allowed and commit a moral sin if they suggest someone is in Heaven at their funeral. Why?

Because it suggests no one has to pray for the person's soul and does SEVERE injustice to that person in the coffin.

Only God knows the heart and soul
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/25/18


Nicole: "I don't have to know. God KNOWS"

OK.

I asked because when you stated

"If they are in Hell - no reason to pray for them. They are damned for ever.

If they are in Heaven - no reason to pray for them. They received their heavenly reward.

You ONLY pray for people in purgatory to reduce their time before going to Heaven.",

you emphasized the word ONLY with capitalization, to me implying you or we were not to pray for others you mentioned.
---Chria9396 on 9/25/18


Chria: Nicole, if you ONLY pray for people in purgatory, how do you personally know they are there and not elsewhere?//

I don't have to know. God KNOWS

Just as you don't know if God will heal someone after praying?

You don't say: 'Why waste my time praying, God might take him to glory even after I prayed for his healing.'

In other words, Not knowing isn't an excuse NOT to pray.

God will use the prayers for someone else in Purgatory whom no one is praying for that person.

God NEVER wastes our prayers.

//God does know the hearts.//

Amen, that's why we shouldn't pretend we KNOW hearts.

At Protestant's funeral everyone states the person is in Heaven. How do you all know that?
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/24/18


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"Jesus NEVER mentions that his kingdom will be ONLY for a thousand years pls get me the verses" Ruben I never said he did. I simply addressed His reign, documented six times in the 20th chapter of Revelation as lasting a thousand years, as being the kingdom He referenced in the gospels. The entire book, is the revelation of Jesus, given to John, to show him things to come. For me, that's sufficient evidence of a millennia kingdom on earth.
---josef on 9/24/18


Nicole, if you ONLY pray for people in purgatory, how do you personally know they are there and not elsewhere?

God does know the hearts.....
---Chria9396 on 9/24/18


Jesus Every time He spoke of His coming kingdom, He spoke of His millennia reign. So did John who wrote the overcomer, [implied v4], "shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years." John also documents that the reign is on earth.
---josef on 9/24/18

Joef, Jesus NEVER mentions that his kingdom will be ONLY for a thousand years pls get me the verses. Again as I already mention that is the only time you hear about a thousand years . NO where else is it ever mention in the OT or in the NT.

2 Peter , "With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

Psalm 90:4 "A thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone"
---Ruben on 9/24/18


In my mind this prayer is for the atonement of Maccabees fallen comrades in expectation of a future resurrection.(verse 44) He wanted these men, who had sinned in their idolatry, to share in the reward of the righteous on the day of resurrection, thus his prayer. It was considered a noble prayer because it embodied a faithful hope in a resurrection. In Jewish tradition, as I understand it, it was believed that God might accept the prayers of the righteous on behalf of the wicked. If this pointed to any New Testament teaching, it pointed to the true and ultimate atoning sacrifice of Jesus Himself, who offered His own life, for the sins of many. Nicole these posts are not meant to denounce your beliefs, but rather to express my own.
---josef on 9/24/18


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There is no purgatory in the Bible. It is an invention of the RCC.

Also I do not believe in immortal souls. Since those words are not in the bible.

My understanding the wicked will pay for their sins then cease to exist. So the penny is a example of them paying for their sins.

The wages of sin is death. Not eternal life anywhere.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/24/18


Hell is actually purgatory. According to Colossians 1:19, 20, hell is temporary.
---Johnny74 on 9/24/18


Josef: 2 Maccabees 12:48 "It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins."

What does this have to do with a purgatory Nicole?//

If they are in Hell - no reason to pray for them. They are damned for ever.

If they are in Heaven - no reason to pray for them. They received their heavenly reward.

You ONLY pray for people in purgatory to reduce their time before going to Heaven.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/24/18


"Wouldn't you think Jesus would have mention something about living with him for a thousand years in any of the gospels or even Paul or the writers of the NT?" Jesus did Ruben, a number of times. Every time He spoke of His coming kingdom, He spoke of His millennia reign. So did John who wrote the overcomer, [implied v4], "shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years." John also documents that the reign is on earth.
---josef on 9/24/18


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Maybe this is a reference to the aerial toll houses.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/23/18


What we we doing now, aren't we being taught by the holy Spirit now? Yes, believers who lived during the time of Jesus' sojourn, and the believers who have lived since, having received the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit, are taught by Him. However there were an innumerable amount of people who were born and lived before He was born who knew nothing of His coming or His purpose. The only humans that will be damned are those who have willfully and blatantly rejected Him and His sacrifice for man. All other will be raised at His return, and those who do not know Him will have to be taught. Yet, even without the influence of Satan, some will not believe and be deceived when Satan is loosed. Whatever is not of faith, is sin.
---josef on 9/23/18


"why would you need to forgive your sin if you are living with Christ on earth and the devil/satan is bound for a thousand years," Because this will be a time of teaching, and man by nature will err in their thinking,
---josef on 9/9/18

What we we doing now, aren't we being taught by the holy Spirit now? When you err, do you mean sinning? We are going to live with Jesus for a literally thousand years and still be sinning?

Wouldn't you think Jesus would have mention something about living with him for a thousand years in any of the gospels or even Paul or the writers of the NT?

Finally should Rev 20:1-3 mention although with Christ for a literal thousand years we will be taught and still be err(sinning)
---Ruben on 9/23/18


"Josef, who spoke about the thousand years of satan being bound in Revelation?" Ruben on 9/9/18.
2 Maccabees 12:48 "It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins."
What does this have to do with a purgatory Nicole?
---josef on 9/22/18


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Josef, who spoke about the thousand years of satan being bound in Revelation?

I don't think I did.

Besides, there are more Scriptures speaking about Purgatory for not only us, but even to the Jews in the OT.

Yup, you know it!

2 Maccabees 12:48
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/21/18


Was this spiritual? There's a spiritual lesson in everything He says. In this case, the strong' commentary reflects my thoughts. "When the miraculous power of God is necessary, let it be resorted to, when not necessary, let ordinary means be used. To act otherwise would be to tempt God."
---josef on 9/16/18


Joseph, Jesus told the synagogue president, "Bring her something to eat," after He raised his daughter from the dead.

Was this spiritual?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/16/18


"Josef said, "Jesus' words always address the spiritual."
Yes, spiritual as in the way they inspire, enlighten and engage the human spirit. Jesus said "the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. For I have not spoken of myself, but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." The Father is Spirit, He words are spiritual. Whether one can discern the spiritual application or not.
---josef on 9/14/18


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Josef said, "Jesus' words always address the spiritual."

"Unbind him, and let him go free," at the raising of Lazarus?

How about Jesus telling his apostles how to find a place for Passover?

And then there is Jesus telling Peter about going fishing, and you will find a piece of money in its mouth, to pay the Temple tax for both of them?

There are many more!
---Monk_Brendan on 9/14/18


I guess it must be some sort of purgatory.
---Johnny74 on 9/9/18


"why would you need to forgive your sin if you are living with Christ on earth and the devil/satan is bound for a thousand years," Because this will be a time of teaching, and man by nature will err in their thinking, with or without Satan's influence "I also find this amusing that this is the only time in scripture that mentions anything about a thousand years and it is literally for you." Why wouldn't it be, It is repeated six times in the chapter for emphasis. "Jesus mentions to eat his flesh and drinks his blood several times never backing down but that is symbolic?" The symbolism of this statement is me obvious, for the reasons I mention on that blog.
---josef on 9/9/18


"We don't know the exact location of Heaven and hell, but still believe there is a Heaven and hell. I was under the impression we were discussing purgatory? You: "BTW, you put your interpretation in my mouth and ran with it" Me How so Nicole? You:"When you decided we both agreed that satan was the adversary in Matthew 5:22-26." Ok, my mistake. But you were the one who said "It all speaks about the AFTER LIFE. Why drop down to earthly realm? " With that statement I made the assumption that you were addressing the spiritual, my bad:o) "Are you claiming Heaven and hell is in one's mind" Currently, as we are given to know the state, yes. 1Co 3:16
---josef on 9/9/18


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"Josef
.
"Where is this age to come where we can be forgiven for our sin against the Son of Man?" On earth, during His millennia reign.

---josef on 9/8/18

Josef,

If you referring to the book of Revelation chapter 20:1-3, why would you need to forgive your sin if you are living with Christ on earth and the devil/satan is bound for a thousand years, he can't touch you( that he should deceived the nations no more)?

I also find this amusing that this is the only time in scripture that mentions anything about a thousand years and it is literally for you. But in the gospel of John chapter 6 , Jesus mentions to eat his flesh and drinks his blood several times never backing down but that is symbolic?
---Ruben on 9/9/18


Josef: saved, but only as through fire...As a "purgatory" of mentally burning with unfulfilled desires for that which one seeming can not possess, nor understand why.//

No, you are trying to change the meaning of 1 Cor 14:15

V13 tells us it is an action in the form of WORK.

V 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each persons work.

14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward.

15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved even though only as one escaping through the flames.

Are you claiming Heaven and hell is in one's mind
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/8/18


Josef, Puratory is a state of being. Nicole this I can understand, being locked into a state of obscure ignorance. Just as the angels that sin during the days of Noah, are currently confined to this state of obscured ignorance concerning magnitude of his transgressions, and their consequence, under watch in oblivion. saved, but only as through fire. This I can understand as well. As a "purgatory" of mentally burning with unfulfilled desires for that which one seeming can not possess, nor understand why. A constant feeling of hopelessness, misery, and regret. A chastising of their peace meant to identify shortcomings within. I would think Satan's influence would be a constant influence in this state.
---josef on 9/8/18


Josef: However she never gave the location.//

We don't know the exact location of Heaven and hell, but still believe there is a Heaven and hell.

//Yet, he's the only one specifically mentioned, biblically, as the believer's adversary.//

No, in the Bible Jesus and Paul speaks fighting against each other.

//You say "Once you are in Purgatory you are SAVED. Satan can't touch you. There is only one way out. Heaven" And you base that statement on what, exactly.//

1 Cor 3:14-15

//"BTW, you put your interpretation in my mouth and ran with it." How so Nicole?//

When you decided we both agreed that satan was the adversary in Matthew 5:22-26. Then compounded on that idea.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/8/18


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Josef, Puratory is a state of being. The Latinate word purgatory means a purgation or burning by fire.-(Catholic Answers) 1 Cor 3:14-15 ...saved, but only as through fire."

That's what I might when I said satan can't touch the person in Purgatory.

//How does a man earn or pay for anything in your purgatory Nicole?//

Jesus used money symbolically because that's a payment form people understand. You can't buy something without paying the FULL amount.

As our quote today: If you do the crime you pay the time.

Now everyone knows they DON'T mean to pay someone the do the time. No you must do the time by staying in prison UNTIL you have paid your time given to you. And not a day early
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/8/18


"Josef First of all, I meant no disrespect" None taken Ruben.
"Where is this age to come where we can be forgiven for our sin against the Son of Man?" On earth, during His millennia reign.
"Nicole has mention where this place is at, and I have yet not seen anyone tell me where is this place call prison" Nicole has given the answer that you apparently expected, and obviously agree with. However she never gave the location. Nicole, where is it? Or perhaps you can answer for her?
---josef on 9/8/18


"Remember Jesus said you will NOT be release UNTIL you paid the last penny." How does a man earn or pay for anything in your purgatory Nicole?
I said I think we both know that the adversary of the believer is Satan. You say "No not always." Yet, he's the only one specifically mentioned, biblically, as the believer's adversary. You say "Once you are in Purgatory you are SAVED. Satan can't touch you. There is only one way out. Heaven" And you base that statement on what, exactly. "BTW, you put your interpretation in my mouth and ran with it." How so Nicole? Thank you making 1 Pet. 3:15 applicable to me, I appreciate it:o) And yes, I do try. All praises due the Father.
---josef on 9/8/18


Josef

First of all, I meant no disrespect

Jesus tells us to make friends with the accuser quickly, if not you will face a judge and we know who this is.(God)

He then says if you don't you will be thrown in prison and you will not get out until you pay your last penny.

Jesus mentions a similar passage in Matthew 12:31-36 "And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come." Where is this age to come where we can be forgiven for our sin against the Son of Man?

Nicole has mention where this place is at, and I have yet not seen anyone tell me where is this place call prison .
---Ruben on 9/8/18


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Steveng, can you give the name of a mayor denomination that claims to base its teaching on the KJV in any of its several recensions?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/7/18


Jesus paid His own blood, because we do not have enough of anything of ourselves to pay.

There is God's correction > Hebrews 12:4-11 < which gets God's results in this life, no procrastinating to after we die, as if we ourselves could do what we really need.
---Bill on 9/7/18


Josef: Jesus spoke about Heaven and Hell prior to the prison. It all speaks about the AFTER LIFE.

Why drop down to earthly realm?

//I think we both know that the adversary of the believer is Satan.//

No not always

Once you are in Purgatory you are SAVED. Satan can't touch you.

There is only one way out. Heaven

Remember Jesus said you will NOT be release UNTIL you paid the last penny.

Everyone has different debts to Justice. We sin in different levels. So purification isn't the same for everyone.

//By the way I have always tried to be as direct and clear.//

Yes, that's why I put your name next to 1 Peter 3:15

BTW, you put your interpretation in my mouth and ran with it.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/7/18


\\ Although every denomination claims they teach from the King James bible, \\

This is nowhere near true.

The Church functioned in all her fullness for 1600 years and more WITHOUT the KJV. How do you explain this?

BTW--Orthodoxy existed for 1600 + years without the KJV--a mere ENGLISH translation. What did people who do not speak English do without it?

\\they actually teach their own interpretation.\\

Just like the worldly denominational "church" of Steveng.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/7/18


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Each denominational "church" has their own rituals, traditions, ways of living and interpretations of the bible in which they teach their members "their" interpretations. The catholic church has the catechism, the mormons have the book of mormon, etc. Although every denomination claims they teach from the King James bible, they actually teach their own interpretation.

Every denomination makes christian living very complex and complicated, especially in today's world, when, in reality, it's very simple: LOVE (as in the verb form) and the bible is full of examples.

Love has practically evaporated from the world.
---Steveng on 9/5/18


"So the verse of Jesus telling us there is a prison you will be held does need interpretation contrary to what you think!" In that case, since you seem to think Jesus is expressing a spiritual reality as concerning people, places, and/or things, so does "agree with you adversary quickly". I think we both know that the adversary of the believer is Satan. When is the believer "in the way" with him? Are we to agree, at any point, with him? I've shared what I believe, as concerning your question, will you do the same? By the way I have always tried to be as direct and clear as possible when sharing. Since you consider it a dance, please dance with me:oD)). Perhaps you can enlighten me with your interpretation?
---josef on 9/5/18


josef *
Ruben As it relates to the advice given it could be any prison.

He was very clear on the 'Bread of Life discourse and we saw how you dance around it. It can not be any prison, the accuser is taking you to the judge who is God. And when are we judge, Heb 9:27"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the Judgment" so there is another place you are held until you pay the last penny!"but you are come to mount Zion, and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, ... and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of JUST MEN MADE PERFECT , Heb 12:22 So the verse of Jesus telling us there is a prison you will be held does need interpretation contrary to what you think!
---Ruben on 9/4/18


Nicole"

Don't need to reply but as courtesy (and may it make sense unto you).

You are contradicting and adding into GOD'S WORD something that that is not there and of course as you have been doing constantly - trying to infiltrate false doctrines into what true Christianity is . . . you have decided to stay on that . . . okay - as GOD'S WORD says: "When anyone despises THE TRUTH - just leave". 'The fathers' you are talking about are not necessarily the ones whom THE LORD inspired to write HIS WORD - you have decide into preaching 'a false gospel' and give priority to men than to THE LORD . . . no more of this . . . but who can stay away from THE LORD'S that sees and judge the hearts??? - no one!
---Melody on 9/4/18


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Melody, thank you for your concern. But can you at least address the question?

You disregard Purgatory with no reasoning. You only state it doesn't exist.

Church fathers who studied Bible states it does.

I don't know your degrees, your life or how deep your relationship is with our Lord.

Just you telling me doesn't tell me anything.

Tell me why?

It's like children. There will be a time you have to explain to them the rules.

They are not 5 yrs and being incapable of reason anymore.

At 5 you made them memorize short passages of the Bible.

At 10 longer passages.

At 16 you except them to write a thesis on a parable.

I am 46 and need a reason.

1 Peter 3:15 like Josef
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/4/18


Ruben, Nicole, I think I understand your point. Jesus' words always address the spiritual. My thoughts, the Father's will for humanity is a spirit of benevolence, and an attitude of gratitude, love, and repentance. The emphasis of Jesus' teaching in this chapter wasn't heaven or hell, the adversary, the officer, the judge, or the prison. He was addressing the attitude or spirit within man, and how that attitude towards his fellowman affects him in life. Advising man to check the attitude he embraces lest it causes him unnecessarily adverse circumstances. Better to be reconciled, if possible, to a brother or adversary than to suffer the consequences of a bad attitude or grudge.
---josef on 9/4/18


Nicole:

Purgatory doesn't exist a man made up place that doesn't exist in GOD'S WORD: Why do you keep on contradicting GOD'S WORD and not fearful of the terrible judgment to those who add or remove from IT? = Revelation 22:18,19 - read it!

No one can keep on defying GOD by their own blasphemous beliefs and expect HIS BLESSINGS and be partakers of HIS Kingdom!
---Melody on 9/4/18


"rrelevant, Why because you have no answer?"
Ruben If the location of the prison was relevant, jeus would have given it. As it relates to the advice given it could be any prison.
"Judge is God and if not settle quickly, you will be in prison."
And this statement is based on what? That is certainly not implied in Matthew chapter 5 discourse.
"you have not mention what Jesus was talking about."
Why should I, like I said earlier "The verse requires no intepretation or exposition."
---josef on 9/3/18


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"You are thrown in prison, where is this prison?" Ruben

As concerning the nature of the advice, the prisons location is irrelevant.
---josef on 9/3/18

Irrelevant, Why because you have no answer?

Jesus teaches us, Come to terms with your opponent or you will be handed over to the judge and thrown into prison. You will not get out until you have paid the last penny.

Judge is God and if not settle quickly, you will be in prison. Like the "Bread of life discourse blog, you have not mention what Jesus was talking about.
---Ruben on 9/3/18


Jesus starts the conservation by saying how one enters the Kingdom of Heaven. V20

Jesus is the One surpassing natural punishment and casting one to HELL for calling our brothers and sisters a fool. V21-22

Jesus takes us out of earthly realm and speaks about after life i.e. Heaven, Hell.

Then we come to V23-26

Jesus speaks about reconciling with our brothers and sister while there is time. (life) V25 "Settle matters quickly...

Remember 'Court' means Judgment day and Jesus is the Just Judge.

How can you say after Jesus speaks about Heaven and Hell He drops back to earth when He ends with prison?

Jesus is talking about Purgatory
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/3/18


"Are also claiming the 'Truly' isn't really totally not get out'. A prisoner on work release is still in prison and returns there after the work day is over.
"Okay, but WHY not make those payment in V25 on the way to court and at court? Why wait until the Judge throws you into prison? The verse doesn't say the person went to prison, 'lest' is a prohibitory conjunction. Perhaps he took the advice and made the payment, If not, maybe the arrangement for payment couldn't be made before inprisonment. This of course, is all speculative:o)

"It's connected to V 22-24" What is your point Nicole?
---josef on 9/3/18


Josef: If they are required to pay, there must be a way to do so. Perhaps through work release,//

V26 Jesus said "Truly I tell you, you will NOT GET OUT until you have paid the last penny...".

Are also claiming the 'Truly' isn't really totally not get out'.

Jesus only meant mentally not physically?

//or perhaps, the prisoner is allowed to arrange payment through an outside source.//

Okay, but WHY not make those payment in V25 on the way to court and at court?

Why wait until the Judge throws you into prison?

//Jesus was simply advising the debtor to make the payment before it became the issue. The verse requires no intepretation or exposition.//

It's connected to V 22-24
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/3/18


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"You are thrown in prison, where is this prison?" Ruben
As concerning the nature of the advice, the prisons location is irrelevant.
"So what or where does prison represent?" Nicole: A place of confinement.
---josef on 9/3/18


"So HOW can one pay their debts in prison if they can't work while in prison?" The verse says nothing about an inability to work while in prison. If they are required to pay, there must be a way to do so. Perhaps through work release, or perhaps, the prisoner is allowed to arrange payment through an outside source. Jesus was simply advising the debtor to make the payment before it became the issue. The verse requires no intepretation or exposition.
---josef on 9/3/18


"Where is the other place where we can be release? comments!
Your answer, concerning Mat. 5:26, is given in the verse prior to the one you quoted.
---josef on 9/2/18

Ok Lets see,

Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court. Do it while you are still together on the way, or your adversary may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison.

What happens if you do not settle it quickly?

You are thrown in prison, where is this prison?
---Ruben on 9/3/18


Josef, you can't earn money in prison.

So what or where does prison represent?
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/3/18


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"Where is the other place where we can be release? comments!
Your answer, concerning Mat. 5:26, is given in the verse prior to the one you quoted.
---josef on 9/2/18


They won't answer you because they themselves can't explain Matthew 5:25-26

They know people can't work in prison.

So HOW can one pay their debts in prison if they can't work while in prison?

They claim they understand Jesus' symbolic language yet do not realize that prison is symbolically used for purgatory.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/2/18


Purgatory of course
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/2/18


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