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Shouldn't being attack for political reasons be considered a hate crime?

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Haz, there is also the corrupt right.

Corruption knows no special political belief.

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 10/20/18


Haz27:

Power corrupts powerful left and right people equally effectively. Republicans are now in charge of Presidency, House, Senate, and Supreme Court, so they have virtually unprecedented power - and we're seeing just where this is leading.

Please explain why the left dominate public forums? The right is all for free enterprise, so if they're right, why don't they create their own forums that their own "majority" of people use? Yet that hasn't happened - all we have are a tiny minority of fringe right wing media outlets like Fox News, InfoWars, Breitbart, etc. in a sea of left-leaning ones. Explain how that could happen?

Explain how anyone is "demonetizing" and "censoring" conservatives?
---StrongAxe on 10/20/18


AXE. Your false claim that the Left are the majority, was written as if to imply you were quoting me. But I never said that. Why would you make such false representations?

What I said was that the totalitarian Left dominate the megaphones of society to bully and brainwash people.

SAMUEL. You condemn Trump as the hater in chief, you use the Lefts hatefully false allegations against Conservatives, yet you support haters in chief in the DEMS, and you conveniently ignore their baby genocide, NAZI & KKK links, etc.
Your politically motivated hate is really showing.

CLUNY. Do you have a comprehension problem, or do you just hate me?
---Haz27 on 10/20/18


AXE. Your dishonesty is tiresome.
Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. You clearly prefer the corrupt Left's Big Brother absolute power.

Leftist dominated Google, FB, etc are liars hiding behind a false claim of NEUTRAL public forum (to avoid being sued for content), whilst they control (censor) content like media outlets do (which can be sued for content).

The racism, double standards of Leftist Google, FB, etc has already been exposed.

If these tech giants are the NEUTRAL public forums they claim to be, then they cannot ban, demonetize, censor Conservatives.

It's good you finally admit the totalitarian Left dominate megaphones of society (to brainwashed and bully it).

---Haz27 on 10/19/18


Haz, there's a line from one of the Harry Potter books you should think about.

"The world is not divided into two groups: good people and Death Eaters."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/19/18




If the left is the Majority then how did Trump win?

The far right and many conservatives are attacking the left calling them evil and a dangerous mob. While that rhetoric is over the top. That nor the left should not be labeled hate crimes for their words.

The KKK and the Nazi's are to be attacked for their actions.

As Christians we are to not be using hateful words. Nor should we let our politics lead us to hate people.

I cannot follow the hater in chief. Because I follow Jesus.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/20/18


Haz27:

"The left are the majority. Therefore, they are Big Brother". Just because someone is in the majority, that somehow necessarily means they are wrong? Can't you see just how deluded your logic is?

You yearn for a world where the left ISN'T in the majority - where the right is in the majority instead. By your own reasoning, the right would then become the Evil Big Brother! Do you REALLY want the right to be evil? Apparently so!

What do you mean "banning and demonetizing"? Conservatives are free to use their beloved laws of Free Enterprise to create their own platforms for disseminating their views, and earning money to support them.
---StrongAxe on 10/19/18


CLUNY. I agree Australian teachers should not be concerned who is US president, but many teachers & lecturers are fanatical Leftists bullying any who won't submit to Left's/DEMs agendas.

AXE. Right wing Christian schools are tiny minority compared to Leftist progressive Christian & government schools.

The Left dominate megaphones of society (including schools) hence they're Orwellian Big Brother thought police brainwashing & bullying society.

Thankfully the internet still allows some access to facts & Conservative narrative, but for how much longer depends on if Trump can deal with the likes of Google, FB, etc who are dominated by hateful far Left bigots banning, demonetizing & censoring Conservatives.
---Haz27 on 10/19/18


Why is it a concern of the Australian educational system who is US president?

I'm really bewildered by this.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/18/18


Samuelbb7:

I was a dyed-in-the-wool conservative from 1976-2001. One things that flipped me was George W. Bush putting his foot in his mouth every time he opened it. Another was the disaster Progressive Conservatives made of Toronto since I last lived there (1983).


Haz27:

Such bias is bad, but the same kind occurs at rightist schools (e.g. Bob Jones university). You see this more on the left than because more schools lean left, not that left is inherently more biased. Similarly, more crimes are committed by whites, not because whites are inherently more criminal, but as they are more numerous, it is reasonable that the amount of ANY activity per capita is necessarily larger in number for whites than for others.
---StrongAxe on 10/18/18




CLUNY. One student said he avoids doing presentations in class that contradict Left's PC dogma due to fanatical Leftist High school teachers.
He's intelligent and has researched the facts on Islam, Aboriginal stolen generation, Kavanaugh, etc. When I suggested he could give both sides of the argument he replied his teacher would embarrass him by arguing ONLY AGAINST the facts that contradict Left's propaganda.

A parent of one of my students doing journalism at uni in 2016 told me how her daughter's marks for her assignment on why Trump will win in 2016 were penalized simply because her Marxist lecturer hated Trump.

Germany's AFD party has now provided a hotline for parents & students to report such Leftist teachers.
---Haz27 on 10/18/18


\\ I hear often from my students of their fear/reluctance to challenge their Leftist teachers who zealously impose neo Marxist Left propaganda lies in the class room. \\

Can you give an example of this, please Haz?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/18/18


AXE. The Left's bullying comes even from school teachers (which makes them child abusers). I hear often from my students of their fear/reluctance to challenge their Leftist teachers who zealously impose neo Marxist Left propaganda lies in the class room.

A school teacher told me of their own reluctance to question Left's PC propaganda at school due to most teachers being Leftists who would all confront him for his "thoughtcrime".

Orwell's 1984 has arrived, through the totalitarian Left.

Not only is it seen in the Left's dominance of the megaphones of society (Fake News media, Hollywood, universities, Google, FB, politics), but it's even seen in children's classrooms, progressive Left churhces and hateful mobs.
---Haz27 on 10/18/18


\\That New York Carpetbagger sold the Republican party and a load of manure and they drank the koolade. \\

Since Trump was born and raised in NYC, he hardly a New York Carpetbagger.

Hillary, otoh, did carpetbag her way as a senator from New York state.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/18/18


Dear Ax We agree so often. Especially about politics it seems.

I was a 65 year old White Male Republican moderate until Trump. That New York Carpetbagger sold the Republican party and a load of manure and they drank the koolade.

I would support any true Republican. I voted a straight Republican ticket for four decades.

But because I will not follow Trump I am attacked with hateful and false words.

We are to be loving to all by the words of Jesus our Lord and Savior. So why follow Trump in hate instead of Jesus in love?
---Samuelbb7 on 10/18/18


AXE. You're drunk on the Left's Koolaid of delusion.

Many academics are neo Marxist Lefties and therefore opposed to critical thinking. Even the academic (and former Marxist activist) David Horowitz has exposed how Leftists who dominate universities oppose critical thinking.

One of my friends is a uni lecturer and she was bullied from uni campus by neo Marxist Leftists because she insisted that critical thinking should be taught, instead of Leftist brainwashing. She successfully sued the uni for their role in allowing this persecution from the bullying Left.

BTW, many middle class, & businesses, leaving DEM's controlled CA are going to the likes of REPs governed Texas, etc, to avoid CA DEMs high taxes and regulations.
---Haz27 on 10/18/18


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ax: Your thinking is completely upside-down. If you substituted the word "Democrat" for "Republican" in your post, you would be accurate.

I realize that you are a foreigner, so you might not understand, but in America, we have only ONE class - AMERICAN. It is your Marxist overlords that have taught you class warfare. How very un-Christian of you.



---jerry6593 on 10/18/18


Haz27:

AMERICA has been losing its middle class because of Reaganomics. Republicans are ruining the U.S.

Academia is leftist because progressives teach critical thinking - you should not accept all you hear until you examine evidence. Paul praised Bereans because "they searched scriptures daily to see if this were so" - they were researchers. Leftist countries provide cheap education for all. Republicans make education expensive so only the rich can afford it.

Journalists are largely leftists for the same reason - they research critically rather than drink kool-aid and spout propaganda.

The left "dominate the megaphones of society" because it's better to turn on the light than stumble in darkness.
---StrongAxe on 10/17/18


AXE. CA has been losing it's middle class and businesses leaving due to DEMs tax increases, creating a kind of 2 class society of coastal rich progressive elites v's inland working poor. 5.5 businesses per week are leaving CA. The DEMs are ruining CA.

Your racist narrative is "white supremacy" label.
Divisive Left use their racist hate against whites (especially men) as political weapon.

Where's supposed "white supremacy" when Nigerian, Ghanaian, Philipino, Taiwanese, Japanese, etc Americans have higher average wages than whites?
Where is it in black dominated sports?

Do you think Chinese, Arab, etc "supremacy" is a problem in their own countries too?






---Haz27 on 10/17/18


Haz27:

Which "racist narrative" are you talking about? Please be specific, rather than just throwing out general and vague accusations at me in every single message.

As of May 8 of this year, California, due to its Democratic government, has an economy, that, were it a country all by itself, would be the fifth largest in the world. I.e. California's economy alone ($1.7 trillion) is better than that of EVERY other country in the world, except four: Germany ($3.7T), Japan ($4.8T), China ($12T) and the rest of the U.S. ($16.6T).

It's incredibly ironic that Red is the South, all predominantly solid anti-communist Republican Red staes, who benefit most from socialist programs like food stamps and Medicaid.
---StrongAxe on 10/17/18


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AXE. Your racist narrative indicates you've been deceived by the Left. Parroting the racist Left's "white privilege" label only discredits you.

DEM's governed California, with it's Leftist lust for regulations, is seeing an exodus of people and businesses.

Note it's cities under long terms DEMs administration that are suffering the most with poverty, dysfunction, etc. The selfish Left's destructive welfare dependency lure offers a life of poverty & decline in return for a vote for the DEMs welfare teat.

Lowering business taxes and regulations to encourage businesses back from lower tax and lower regulation countries, is a good thing. It brings jobs back and reinvigorates communities damaged by the DEMs.
---Haz27 on 10/17/18


Nicole_Lacey:

Trump transition team's private servers are ALSO crimes. Why no outrage?


Haz27:

In the US, Republicans pretend to be for less government, but instead lower taxes on the rich, and to pay for resulting deficits, cut services for the poor. The poor get poorer, and the rich get richer. This same entitled kleptocrasy has gone on for millenia - peasants do most of the work, while privileged rich collect most of the fruits of that labor.

Many Republican states introduced MORE bureaucracy to make it harder to register to vote - which disenfranchised 53000 in GA - coincidentally, mostly blacks, poor, and Democrats.

Comey COULD have charged her AFTER she lost, yet he didn't do so. Why is that?
---StrongAxe on 10/17/18


AXE. Wake up to reality.
It's the Left who are totalitarians, just like Orwell's Big Brother government.

The Conservative Right = LESS government, which makes them the OPPOSITE of Orwell's Big Brother government.

Hopefully one day you'll be red pilled back to reality and stop believing these Leftist lies to justify your loyalty to the political Left.

BTW, Twitter is nothing like a legally mandated secure email account where sensitive info is passed on. Twitter is open communication to a public following. And Comey did not want to charge Hillary for her crimes in the run up to an election as no doubt that would have caused too much outrage, etc from the DEM's faithful who, as we see, are a "violent mob".
---Haz27 on 10/16/18


//He should "put up or shut up".//

He did. You are mixing the crimes. Days before the election was Clinton server 2 incident.

Her closes adviser Huma ex-husband were sharing a computer together. That computer ALSO wasn't protected by the Government and Weiner shouldn't had access codes to get into the computer.

As a Federal employee, the Gov gives you an ID code with your personal password just to get into the computer. Next to get into any programs you have another password to open them up. Which means Huma told Weiner her codes.

So Cliniton e-mails classified info to Huma which Weiner a NON GOVERMENT employee has access to the info.

//What crimes?//

The server in her basement is the CRIME!
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/16/18


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Dear Jerry

I have only one Lord. Jesus Christ.

Then my wife.

I disagree with you that does not make me a leftest. Since I disagree with many leftist also. I read the SOP and the Bible.

I didn't support a Jesuit trained lawyer for the Supreme Court.

I know what the Great Controversy is and that the leaders will follow the crowd to outlaw the Remnant people. So I cannot support more political power to those who oppose the Remnant people.

We are to still be brothers in Jesus. So are you my brother?
---Samuelbb7 on 10/16/18


Nicole_Lacey:

If Clinton DID break Federal Law, why didn't Comey follow up announcement with indictments? He should "put up or shut up".

What crimes? She was investigated yet never charged.

SHE had her server. So did most of Trump's transition team after the election! Even now, Trump uses his personal Twitter account instead of a presidential one. Pot, kettle, black!


Haz27:

You think it's bad Hillary likes 1984, that warns of the dangers of totalitarianism, but don't mind that Trump likes Mein Kampf, that praises totalitarianism.

You constantly decry Left's "selective outrage", yet are OK with Right's selective outrage. Your "outrage over outrage" is equally selective.
---StrongAxe on 10/16/18


JERRY. I'm not surprised Hillary so liked Orwell's 1984. But as she is a Socialist, Hillary no doubt admired the authoritarian rule of Orwell's Big Brother government.
I read that Hillary was quite eager to get Saul Alinsky's book "Rules for Radicals", even writing to him asking about it's release.

I agree that it's sad to see so called "Christians" adhering to Alinksy's "Community Organizer" and "Mob Rule" philosophies.
The Left's hypocritical selective outrage that progressive "Christians" heartlessly virtue signal over only proves that they're brainwashed followers of the Left.









---Haz27 on 10/16/18


StrongAxe: He sprung his comments days before the election,//

So what?

If Clinton DIDN'T BREAK Federal law, Comey COULDN'T come out months, weeks or days before the election.

Comey didn't say anything about Trump days before the election.

Why?

Because Trump didn't break any law!

Didn't your Ma tell you that if you keep your nose clean you don't have anything to worry about?

//her polls took a sharp dip, and he never followed through on them.//

Yup and I mad!

Following through would change her pant suit to a orange suit.

Your silence of Clinton's crimes comes out loud and clear.

You NEVER deny she had a server in her basement.

WHY?
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/15/18


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AXE. Considering totalitarian Left dominate megaphones of society, controlling public debate/thought to bully & brainwash people, then obviously it's the Left who are in privileged position (as their swamp is not drained yet) to project their evils, corruption upon others.

But as you're so brainwashed you refuse to see this, just as you refuse to acknowledge DEMs baby genocide, KKK & NAZI links, and Orwellian Big Brother government aims.

FYI, Trump exited Paris climate accord (that's that greedy IPCC group with its flawed temperature data that was recently exposed), and the greedy climate change liar Al Gore is still upset on Trump's stance on climate change. I prefer facts over Left's lies.




---Haz27 on 10/15/18


Haz: I recall during the time her husband was president that the Hildebeast said her favorite book was "1984". She was a disciple of the anarchist Saul Alinsky, who dedicated his book "Rules for Radicals" to Lucifer. Look how many so-called Christians adhere to his "Community Organizer" and "Mob Rule" philosophies. Appalling!



Sam: Murder is already a crime (independent of race) punishable by death (in all but leftist governments), so how does a person's "hate" make it worse? You have been duped by your leftist overlords.



---jerry6593 on 10/16/18


Nicole_Lacey:

He sprung his comments days before the election, and her polls took a sharp dip, and he never followed through on them.

Even AFTER that whole fiasco, Trump's very own transition team did EXACTLY THE SAME THING. They had NO excuse.

Be happy Trump and HIS people aren't in jail. Oh wait! Many of them are. She underwent four years of investigations. Indictments: zero. After less than two years of Trump and his people being investigated, there were almost 200 indictments so far.

Haz27:

You presume the left glorifies and wants corruption. Projection maybe?

The Trump administration recently admitted that climate change exists, but it's so far gone that we can't fix it, so we don't need to bother.
---StrongAxe on 10/15/18


I am SICK of Democrats BLAMING Comey for Hillary losing the election!

Hillary is the reason she lost the election!

The FBI is suppose to investigate anyone including Queen Hillary if they did something wrong.

Hillary knew not to have a server in her basement. She did anyway.

Hillary knew not to send e-mail to any website NOT protected by OUR Government. She did anyway.

She even had her MAID sending sensitive info. A BIG NO NO.

StrongAxe, as a nurse at a Government Hospital I have to go through countless hours EVERY YEAR about computer usage edu.

Hillary WASN'T a plain nurse.

She KNEW better but thought she was a Queen and the rules didn't apply to her.

Be happy she ISN'T in JAIL.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/15/18


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AXE. You're a Leftist so you dont want swamp drained.

You hope your politically motivated selective outrage over specks in eyes of Conservatives is enough of a deflection for you to continue to justify your support for evil Left with it's politically driven baby genocide, terrorism, hate, rapes, corruption, racism, sexism, etc.

It's clear you want totalitarian Left's "utopia" of Orwellian Big Brother Hitler/Stalin like government.

BTW, did you hear of recent findings exposing IPCC's climate change temperature data flaws? And did you hear of recent criticism by Prof Lindzen, a leading climate scientist, exposing the climate scam on it's ignorance of science, and its greed? Of course you didn't.

---Haz27 on 10/15/18


Haz27:

Comey said a few days before the election Hillary was again under investigation. That cost her the election. Nothing ever came from that.

Draining the swamp? Trump is putting alligators in charge of it. DESERVES to be locked up? What makes YOU her judge?

When 9 of 10 people say X and 1 person says Y, it's more likely 9 are right than 1 is. More likely 9 truth and 1 propaganda than 9 fake news and 1 truth. But 1 screams "fake news" and persecution, and their cultists believe them.

Hitler said if you tell a lie often enough, people will believe it. That's how Orwell's "Ministry of Truth" worked, and that's how Republican propaganda works (e.g. "lock her up", no climate change, etc.)
---StrongAxe on 10/15/18


AXE. Hillary was conveniently excused by Comey for her crimes as he thought she should not be charged in the run-up to election.
FBI found Hillary broke the law, that she placed highly classified national security information at risk and repeatedly lied to Americans about her illegal conduct.

Clearly it's difficult to get justice when swamp has not yet been drained. But the fact remains Hillary deserved to be locked up.

But we all know REPs rhetoric is far from the violence, hate, deceit from DEMs domestic terrorist groups ANTIFA, BLM, and from the likes of Maxine & Hillary, Fake News media, etc.

We see same in Aust, the violent corrupt Left following in the steps of Orwell's Big Brother tyranny.



---Haz27 on 10/15/18


Haz27:

You wrote: AXE. When lunatics claiming God told them to be violent get into political power, like Maxine Waters, then it's time such get sacked.

Republican gubernatorial candidate Scott Wagner in PA, in a recent campaign ad, said he would stomp on the face of his opponent (Governor Tom Wolf) with spikes.

Before the 2016 election, Trump urged on cheering crowds chanting "lock her up!". That is not a call to due process of justice (since she had already endured many investigations and been cleared), but rather, a call to vigilantism - i.e. violence.

Pot, kettle, black.
---StrongAxe on 10/15/18


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AXE. When lunatics claiming God told them to be violent get into political power, like Maxine Waters, then it's time such get sacked.
Hillary also promotes hate & violence claiming Left must not be "civil" towards Conservatives.

Totalitarian Left dominate megaphones of society almost as much as Orwell's Big Brother. And they use it to demonize Conservatives. But you conveniently ignore this, and dishonestly portray the bullying Big Brother Left as the victim...LOL. That's quite a delusional Koolaid you're drinking AXE.

SAMUEL. Hate & violence should be punished regardless of the race.
What I oppose is your politically motivated selective outrage & virtue signalling.







---Haz27 on 10/14/18


Thank you Strong Ax good points. GOD bless.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/14/18


\\
Many preachers on the right also believe God tells THEM to murder people.\\

Can you give us the names of any, please?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/14/18


Haz27:

Many preachers on the right also believe God tells THEM to murder people.

The hallmarks of Orwellian tyranny is information manipulation. People are taught to think of everything in simplistic black-and-white terms. The enemy is demonized. The enemy is monstrous and evil and must be destroyed at all costs. All totalirian governments use this to inflame citizens into mindless mobs capable of genocide.

You speak exactly the same way. You constantly demonize the left and everything associated with it. You have drunk deeply of the Kool-Aid of the right.

I don't think everyone on the right are the Epitome Of Evil. Reality is nuanced. As in the maxim from Star Wars, "Only Sith think in absolutes".
---StrongAxe on 10/14/18


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So Haz a group of people who go after Black people and beat them to death. Should not have an extra charge placed against them? Like the men who dragged a black man to death?

So why is opposing hate and murder political? Are not Christians supposed to oppose hate? Is that not what Jesus taught?
---Samuelbb7 on 10/14/18


JERRY. True. "Hate crime" (a 2009 law) is quite Orwellian in that it's used typically by the totalitarian Left to persecute anyone committing the "thought crime" of opposing the Left's PC tyranny.

It's basically one of the totalitarian Left's tools for controlling speech/thought. It's anti free speech.

Interestingly, Orwell's 1984 totalitarian Big Brother government conducted the routine "2 minutes of hate" where society was subjected to propaganda lies (just like the Left's Fake News media, etc do today) to whip up hateful emotions against any thought/speech that is inconsistent with Big Brother government's PC dictates.
---Haz27 on 10/14/18


Cluny: "kathr"?


The entire concept of "hate crimes" seems a bit Orwellian to me, in that it attempts to control thought (i.e., "thought police").

How does one rationalize such a concept with freedom of speech? Then again, the political left is not concerned at all about the Constitutional rights of individuals, but rather the control of the masses.


---jerry6593 on 10/14/18


Cluny, I never asked this question.
But here's my answer to Nicole:

ALL attacks on another is a crime. Those who are attacking Ms Fords family should be arrested and go to jail or prison. And DT and son should accompany them, since DT and son have used her for political purposes at his rally's, stirring up even more hate.

But if you want to make it a hate crime, then let's start with the attacks from both parties towards one another during elections that are responsible for fueling and fanning the flames the ignorant now go out and follow up with physical harm.

Maybe all HATE SPEECH should be prosecuted as a HATE CRIME...Starting from the very TOP. Yes I'm all for sending DT and nit wit son to PRISON for that too.
---kathr4453 on 10/14/18


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Hitting, spitting upon, beating up someone is already a hate crime, otherwise, why attack?
---Monk_Brendan on 10/13/18


The likes of the racist DEMS politician Maxine Waters is a good example of a perpetrator of hate crime. And this bitterly hateful Maxine even claims that God is telling her to be like this.

Maxine is so blinded by her hate that she takes things to the lunatic fringe, even calling on her hateful DEMs followers to attack REPs at restaurants, etc (which they obediently do).

Considering the escalating level of hate from the Left, especially from their domestic terrorist groups like ANTIFA, BLM, far Left university students and lecturers, etc, we see Maxines similar maniacal hate as rightly placing her as the face of the DEMS (as Trump appropriately described her).
---Haz27 on 10/13/18


Why should it, kathr?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/13/18


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