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Abortion Point Of Views

In one of the books by Beverly and Tim Lahaye, they said that the approved of abortion ONLY if it's the best interests of the mother or unborn child.

How does this differ from the pro-choice position?

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StrongAxe: Why, then, would the scripture focus on a civil penalty as the default behavior, and only mention lex talonis as the exception?//

Accidental killing (of the unborn child) is a civil penalty.

Death penalty for a miscarry isn't a civil penalty.

//you haven't addressed the infidelity test that results in the death of the innocent child.//

They have to allow the woman to give birth BEFORE she is dead.

Remember, they didn't have OUR technology to know she was pregnancy at 3 to 4 months.

Still you are missing the point.

They STILL see the UNBORN child as a human being with rights.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/15/18


Nicole_Lacey:

That is the other scripture I was referring to. It's a civil penalty UNLESS there is "mischief" (which is what the King James version calls it.

Now think about the dynamics. Today, we have the technology to bring premature babies to successful term much of the time, but that didn't exist 2000 years ago. If a woman was struck with such a traumatic injury that she would be forced to miscarry, the likelihood of her child surviving was extremely slim. Why, then, would the scripture focus on a civil penalty as the default behavior, and only mention lex talonis as the exception?

Also, you haven't addressed the infidelity test that results in the death of the innocent child.
---StrongAxe on 11/4/18


Haz, when it comes to abortion people on CN rather be polite and let the killing continue.

They truly believe they can be personal against abortion but minding their own business.

Many Christians on this website are moral relativist.

They never fight for the unborn because they are more afraid of hurting a cruel right of a woman than saving the unborn.

They speak ill about Hitler and German's Holocaust, but fail to understand we are worst than 40's German.

We will enter history as the MOST VICIOUS kind of people ever walked on this planet.

May God have mercy on us.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/4/18


StrongAxe, the Bible does speak about a unborn baby being a human being.

Exodus 21:22-25 22 "If people are fighting and hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman's husband demands and the court allows. 23But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, 24eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.

Life for life is used because the unborn child is a life.

So abortion is murder
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/4/18


Haz, you asked me why I don't confront my friend StrongAxe about abortion.

The answer is simple.

You're lying about him.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/4/18




AXE. You bear false witness against your neighbor constantly as you always parrot the hate mongering Left's propaganda lies, such as trying to link the Left's racism, authoritarianism, heartlessness etc from their KKK, NAZI, Fascist roots, onto Conservative Right instead.

Sadly, truth is meaningless to you as your priority is only to defend your genocidal political masters, even to the point of claiming that abortion is somehow not murder.

We see that you've adopted the Marxist Left's PC so much that you even teach a heresy that Matt 25 somehow indicates that JC is not needed for salvation because those who are anti-Christ can be saved by doing some minimum standard of good physical deeds to the physically needy.

---Haz27 on 11/4/18


Haz27:

You constantly make accusations against me that are not true:
- of being complicit in abortion and genocide, even though I hate abortion.
- of being a communist and Nazi, even though I hate communists and nazis.
- of committing 3 felonies a day, even though I do no such thing, and you refuse to name them.
- and when I confront you with this, you accuse me of "playing the victim".

THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS AGAINST THY NEIGHBOR

There is one in the Bible whose whole constantly makes accusations against others. He is called Diabolos, the Accuser. You do his work quite faithfully.

I suggest you remove the felonies from your own eye before picking out those of others.
---StrongAxe on 11/4/18


CLUNY. Its interesting you are willing to protest against clinics who claim abortion is not murder, yet you remain silent when AXE also claims abortion is not murder.
Are lives of unborn not worth it for you to confront your friend over.

AXE. I wont play your victim hood game. The Lefts deceit & victim hood tactics (both of which you use) is offensive & tiresome, especially as there is so much of it considering they dominate megaphones of society. I trust research of Harvey Silverglate, but not you.

BTW, My question was about thigh rotting, not belly.
And Gods word is SPIRITUALLY discerned (1Cor 2.14, Matt 13.13-15).
Thats why you fail to understand the role of OT law, nor accept that its spiritual (Rom 7.14).
---Haz27 on 11/3/18


**Can you explain how holy water mixed with the dust from the floor of the tabernacle can induce abortion?

And can you explain how such a drink of water and dust can cause the thigh to rot?**

Take it up with God, Haz. It's in the Bible.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/3/18


Haz27:

If the woman is an adulteress, the holy water witnesses against her and causes her stomach to shrivel up and for her to expel the child she is carrying, and renders her barren forever after.

In other words, if she is, in fact, guilty of adultery, this aborts the child she is carrying.

You still have neither justified you libelous "3 felonies" accusations against me, nor withdrawn them.
---StrongAxe on 11/3/18




CLUNY. See the post from AXE that is addressed to TREY on 10/31/18.
It's the last line where AXE said:
"IS IT MURDER and does the bible forbid it? NO."
That's where AXE claims that ABORTION IS NOT MURDER.

AXE. As you lack spiritual understanding of God's word, lets look at your worldly view of Numbers 5 instead.

Can you explain how holy water mixed with the dust from the floor of the tabernacle can induce abortion?

And can you explain how such a drink of water and dust can cause the thigh to rot?
---Haz27 on 11/3/18


Cluny:

I pointed out several times no scripture specifically defines abortion as murder, but two imply it CANNOT be:

In Numbers 5, a suspected unfaithful wife is required to drink cursed bitter water. If unfaithful, she miscarries. This is a chemically-induced abortion that punishes a child for the sins of its mother.

If two men struggle and one's pregnant wife intervenes and is hit and miscarries, the penalty is a civil fine, and NOT a life for a life as murder demands (except in case of "mischief", but before modern medicine, almost all premature births ended in fatality, so this clearly refers to the mother, as if the child were also implied this would almost ALWAYS be a death penalty).
---StrongAxe on 11/2/18


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AXE. YOU SAID ABORTIONS ARE NOT MURDER. \\

Haz, please quote StrongAxe's exact words, giving the date, where he said this.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/2/18


Haz27:

PAY ATTENTION. That something is not murder DOESN'T MEAN IT IS NOT A BAD THING.
I showed two scriptures SPECIFICALLY saying abortion is not, as murder would carry the death penalty. Now YOU show scripture that SPECIFICALLY says abortion is murder.

You can't take a scripture and claim it means the exact opposite, based on your own "spiritual" understanding, as Pharisees did with their "korban" law that Jesus condemned.

What "victimhood"? You SPECIFICALLY accused ME PERSONALLY. Are you going to spiritualize away "don't bear false witness" too? Say SPECIFICALLY which 3 felonies *I* commit daily. If you went into a court room to convict me, you would be laughed out of court.
---StrongAxe on 11/2/18


AXE. YOU SAID ABORTIONS ARE NOT MURDER.
That's like saying the killing of millions of Armenians by the Turks, the killing of millions of Jews & Gypsies by the NAZIs, the killing of millions of Ukrainians by the Communists, is not murder.

As for the OT law, you demonstrate often how you lack spiritual understanding, and here you go again.
The law is spiritual (Rom 7:14), given to the Jews to show us how we need a savior (Gal 3:24).

BTW, you can stop using the Left's victimhood tactic as you Lefties use it so often that it's useless. It's tiresome that you Lefties actually keep using this deceitful tactic. The reality remains that laws are so convoluted that it's obvious the 3 felonies per day is realistic.

---Haz27 on 11/1/18


I will referring to only medical circumstances. I was not referring to convenience abortions.
---KarenD on 11/1/18


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Karen D said, "I remember back when having a baby and the decisions made were made between a woman and her husband and her doctor."

My mother told me, when I was already an adult, that if it had been legal 67 years ago, she would have had an abortion--me!

I'm glad she decided to follow the law!
---Monk_Brendan on 11/1/18


Haz27:

Your flawed logic amazes me. Burglary, slander, adultery, etc. are not murder. That doesn't mean I am OK with any of them.

I didn't say "abortion isn't in the Bible". I said "nowhere does the Bible call abortion murder". Numbers 5 REQUIRES an induced miscarriage - i.e. abortion. If two men fight and one's pregnant wife miscarries, this has a civil penalty, NOT life for life as murder REQUIRES.

The claim that average people commit 3 FELONIES a day is not "realistic" - just one person's OPINION. Driving infractions are not FELONIES. Not everyone drives. You didn't say "average people commit felonies". You singled *ME* out and without reservation said *I* commit 3 felonies. LIBEL!
---StrongAxe on 11/1/18


AXE. YOU SAID ABORTION IS NOT MURDER.
That suggests you're OK with this genocide as it's NOT MURDER, according to YOU.

Romans 13:10 says love does no harm to another, which means do NOT slaughter people, even if they're unborn babies.

As the word "abortion" is not in Bible will you now reject "man made climate change" because those words are not in Bible?

Of course you must think you're legally holier when you think you're not included in the realistic claim that the average person breaks law 3 times per day.
As drive instructor I see it every day just with road driving alone.

BO used prosecution (that is typically not rigorously applied) simply because D'Sousa was effective critic of BO.
---Haz27 on 11/1/18


Haz27:

"The average American commits 3 felonies a day" is unproven, Yet from this, you make a leap of logic worthy of Superman and say *I* personally am guilty of 3 felonies per day. This is NOT true, and LIBEL.

Bezmanov asserts that the left dominates the media. Even if that were true, it doesn't mean that all of the left dominates the media, nor that that all media is dominated by the left.

I am NOT OK with genocide. LIBEL! D'Sousa was tried by the court, not Obama. LIES! I NEVER claimed I'm legally holier. LIBEL! Do you EVER stop bearing false witness?!

I showed SCRIPTURE demanding slaughter of an unborn innocent. Would God COMMAND murder? YOU show me a scripture that SPECIFICALLY says abortion is murder.
---StrongAxe on 11/1/18


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AXE. We all know laws are so convoluted that it's obvious violating the claimed 3 per day is reality.
But YOU sound just like the hypocritical Pharisees claiming you're legally holier than others...LOL.

And now we even see you conveniently claim that slaughtering unborn babies is not murder.

Like your Socialist Left predecessors you're OK with genocide, you're OK with tyrannical BO putting his critic Dinesh D'Sousa into prison (Gulag) requiring him to do mandatory psychiatric therapy (like Soviet era laws where political dissent was deemed a mental illness), and you also claim you're legally holier just like the hypocritical Pharisees did.

BTW, you got to admit Yuri Bezmanov was correct.



---Haz27 on 10/31/18


Haz27:

There is a book "Three Felonies a Day" by Harvey Silverglate, where he argues that federal laws are so convoluted that the average American commits 3 felonies per day. I find this claim to be highly dubious. But regardless of whether that's true or not, that's not what you said. You said: You AXE, are guilty of 3 felonies per day. You accused *ME* personally of committing felonies each day, without ANY evidence whatsoever that this is true. That is a flat outright lie, but I don't expect you to follow "thou shalt not bear false witness".

And stop with the tiresome Yuri Bezmanov stuff already.
---StrongAxe on 10/31/18


\\You AXE, are guilty of 3 felonies per day, according to research.\\

What exactly are these felonies?

Be specific, Haz.

Otherwise, retract your words.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/31/18


trey:

A fetus does not develop a circulatory system until long after conception, so it has no blood per Leviticus 17:11.

The bible frequently mentions being formed "in the womb" but nowhere pinpoints the exact time we become people. Jewish tradition says that's when a soul "draws breath" - i.e. birth.

Also, not only does the Bible nowhere actually forbid abortion, in Numbers 5 it REQUIRES it. If a man suspects a woman of adultery, the priest gives her cursed bitter water to drink. If she was unfaithful, she would miscarry her child. This is a chemically-induced abortion that kills the child based on the sin of the mother.

Is abortion tragic? Yes. Is it murder and does the bible forbid it? No.
---StrongAxe on 10/31/18


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AXE. Dinesh D'Sousa gives details in his videos. He quotes the research about 3 felonies per day. He explains how legal system is worked for political interests to inappropriately extract plea deals, and that merely to persecute a political opponent, just as corrupt BO did after academic Dinesh D'Sousa exposed embarrassing facts about BO.

But we both know you're a "brainwashed useful idiot" for the Marxist Left (as Russian KGB Communist defector Yuri Bezmanov described) hence you will only believe what your Leftist puppet masters say. This also explains your complicit silence on DEMs baby genocide.

For anyone here wanting to find the truth on Dinesh D'Sousa his YouTube videos are available online.

---Haz27 on 10/31/18


Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood:

As a Christian I believe that life begins at conception and could care less what Beverly and Tim Lahaye have to say.

I also understand the scriptures to say in Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not murder.

Abortion is murder.

As a Christian I love God, His laws, and His people. What else should we take into consideration?
---trey on 10/30/18


Haz27:

Dinseh D'Souza was charged with violations of federal campaign finance laws. He pled guilty. Why would he do that if he were innocent? Of course, these days, all federal corruption is meaningless, because Trump just waves his Magic Pardon Wand to let all of his friends like Dinesh D'Souza and Joe Arpaio "get out of jail free". So much for the rule of law.

You AXE, are guilty of 3 felonies per day, according to research.

Please state EXACTLY which "3 felonies" I am guilty of, and EXACTLY which "research" says that, because it's libel. But of course, "thou shalt not bear false witness" is a minor inconvenient technicality to those obsessed with pushing their own agenda.
---StrongAxe on 10/30/18


AXE. High proportion of blacks abort babies, and Left's welfare dependency lure creates the conditions for it.

BTW, BO targeted Dinesh D'Sousa after his productions that exposed him.

You AXE, are guilty of 3 felonies per day, according to research. But authorities logically do not charge most people. Perhaps you should be charged and put in prison too.

Dinesh D'Sousa's political donation was one of those charges that corrupt politicians (like BO) use to persecute those who expose them with incriminating facts.

As you've found Dinesh D'Sousa check out his speeches as I recall he did explain the changing political demographics. I don't have the time to research it to answer you right now as I'm off to work.
---Haz27 on 10/30/18


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Haz27:

When treating a disease, treating the cause is always more effective than treating the symptoms. U.S. treats symptoms (abortions), while Denmark treats causes (unwanted pregnancy) - so Denmark has a MUCH LOWER per capita abortion rate than the U.S.

You have yet to explain how the South was mostly Democrat up to the 50s/60s yet is mostly Republican now.

You keep repeating the phrase "megaphones of society". Do you know who else uses that phrase? Dinesh D'Souza, who pleaded guilty to violating federal campaign finance laws. But of course, Trump pardoned him like he often pardons his friends.

He retweeted Twitter posts with hashtags #burntheJews and #bringbackslavery. Such an "enlightened" man.
---StrongAxe on 10/30/18


AXE. Current DEMs policies destroys lives.
Their welfare dependency lure (a selfish measure by DEMs to grow a dependent voter base) harms family, marriage, causes dysfunction, crime, substance abuse, high abortion rates, hopelessness, etc.

Other harmful DEMs policies:
Genocidal baby slaughter platform.
Continued racism towards darker skinned people where DEMs changed tactics from their KKK, Jim Crowe methods, to the racism of low expectations for darker skinned people still considered inferior unable to compete with whites and asians.

BTW, we already exposed how ONLY ONE DEMs Dixiecrat (Strom Thurmand) joined REPs in the DEMs "Big Switch" lie, and the rest of the KKK Dixiecrats remained DEMs.
---Haz27 on 10/30/18


Nicole_Lacey:

Current Republican policies destroy lives, by cutting back social programs that help the poor.

Misleading. PROGRESSIVE Republicans told CONSERVATIVE Democrats you can't own humans. 150 years later, the labels have switched, but the philosophies remain the same.

Republicans do everything in their power to preserve the lives of children until they are born - but after that, they're on their own, with cuts to food stamps, school lunches, and child health care.

CONSERVATIVES destroys human beings, today, 200 year ago, and 2000 years ago (i.e. the Pharisees).
---StrongAxe on 10/29/18


\\Cluny, did Beverly and Tim make clear what they would say is in the best interest of a mother and/or her unborn baby???\\

That was never explained when they said this in their book THE ACT OF MARRIAGE.

However, their words about when they think abortion is acceptable can in no way be called pro-life, which they claimed at the time they were.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/29/18


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Hi, Cluny (c: I think the Democratic platform does not require that abortion is in the best interest of the baby or the mother. It is her choice, whether it is good for her or not.

Of course, can abortion be good for the mother? Is there such a thing as abortion in the best interest of a mother and her baby??

Cluny, did Beverly and Tim make clear what they would say is in the best interest of a mother and/or her unborn baby???

Learning how to love your unborn is good, versus giving in to the pressure of people who don't know how to love you.
---Bill on 10/29/18


Haz: Straying off topic is common on all forums.//

But you and I can't stray.

//It really doesn't bother me//

Because the Right are use to rules.

The only standards the Left have are double standards.

//(except when you started criticizing me for doing it some months back when you yourself do it too).//

We didn't read their policy.

BTW, I am so sorry about the Australian Lady who lost her case in the European highest court when they told her she could NOT speak freely about Muslims.

I sure she can make nasty comments about Catholics, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, and Mormons etc.

But not Muslims. They have SPECIAL privileges no one else has on earth.

It is so scary.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/28/18


StrongAxe, I DIDN'T go off subject.

I connected Democrats SAME words to DEFENDING killing babies as the SAME excuses of having Slaves.

DEMOCRATS always want to destroy lives for their own convenience.

Republicasn had to tell Democrats you CAN'T own a human beings for labor.

Again, Republicans are telling Democrats you can't kill a human being because it's isn't the right time to have a child. You don't want to pay child support. Or worst off you want a perfect child.

For those of you who had abortions, I am sorry and I BLAME the Democrats party NOT you. There are help groups for you.

DEMOCRATS destroys human beings.

200 years ago and today.

No changing the subject. It's all the same thing!
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/28/18


Haz27:

I tried to answer your question directly on Wednesday, and when the reply wasn't posted, I tried again on Thursday. Since posts are going through but neither of those made it, I must conclude that the moderators didn't like either reply.

There's no point in my fighting both you AND the moderators.
---StrongAxe on 10/28/18


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\\Was it just a coincidence that the Arch of Baal was erected in Washington D.C. a day before Kavanaugh's testimony?\\

No connection at all.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/25/18


AXE. Your dishonesty rears it's ugly head yet again.

Straying off topic is common on all forums. It really doesn't bother me (except when you started criticizing me for doing it some months back when you yourself do it too).

But the point you conveniently avoid is that your concerns are NOT for the babies being slaughtered thanks to the DEMs easier abortion agenda, but instead your concerns lie with how you can protect your baby killer DEMs by deflecting with attacks against REPs, making false allegations or obsessing over splinters in their eye.

BTW, we both know NICOLE speaks often against DEMs abortion/murder of babies.
The issue really is how you ALWAYS seek to deflect debate away from this topic.
---Haz27 on 10/25/18


Strongaxe wrote: "These days, things like the Ba'al arch are considered archeological relics, not objects of worship."

I didn't write that they were "objects of worship," but used as a symbol of worshipping Ba'al. Symbols do indeed have power. Baal was a god of power, fertility and child sacrifice.

Strongaxe wrote: "...there have been several attempts to recreate some of the destroyed pieces, that's all."

The arches are being built throughout the world. Look it up. A few are even on tour. Was it just a coincidence that the Arch of Baal was erected in Washington D.C. a day before Kavanaugh's testimony?
---Steveng on 10/25/18


Thank you Strong Ax. Too much misinformation.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/25/18


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Cluny:

Google: baal arch


Steveng:

These days, things like the Ba'al arch are considered archeological relics, not objects of worship. After ISIS destroyed much of the archaeology of Palmyra in 2015, there have been several attempts to recreate some of the destroyed pieces, that's all.
---StrongAxe on 10/25/18


Steveng, what do you mean by "Arch's [properly Arches} of Ba'al?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/24/18


Ba'al worship is on the increase throughout the world - especially as Archs of Ba'al are erected.

What would you consider to be the best interest of the mother? Would having a baby interfere with her social life? Research the activities during Ba'al worship and why mothers sacrificed their children.
---Steveng on 10/24/18


Nicole_Lacey:

Yes, the northern free states tried to get slaves out of slavery, and southern slave states tried to keep them in slavery. The south treated slaves as property, not as people. The 13th amendment was specifically to end that kind of mentality. So what good would it do to repeal that? That is what I cannot understand.


Haz27:

I was specifically replying to Nicole_Lacey's comments. If you want to criticize me for getting off topic, why aren't you criticizing her for doing the same first?

You accuse me of "distracting from any reference to the DEMs baby genocide", yet you are constantly "distracting" by changing the subjects on other blogs to that one. Pot, kettle, black.
---StrongAxe on 10/23/18


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StrongAxe, Thanks for the correction.

Allow me to correct you. Free States knew it was stupid to let Slave States count Slaves as one Person because Slaves would NEVER have a Representative in Congress to KEEP them in Slavery.

So since the Slave Owners SAID the Slaves were property the free States got SMART with them and SAID we also will count all our property.

The Free States were showing the Slave States how they couldn't have it BOTH WAYS.

So that's when they made the compromise to HELP the Slaves come OUT OF SLAVERY

BTW, Slaves out populated White people 4 to 1. That's why the Owners wanted to count them as whole persons.

But only when it came to congress. Besides Congress they were NOT PERSONS.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/23/18


Nicole_Lacey:

No. Why do you say such things, putting words in my mouth I never said, never implied, and don't believe?

First, it was 3/5, not 1/5. Second, the reason for the 3/5 was a compromise between free states and slave states. The free states didn't think it was fair that the slave states should have greatly increased government representation just because of what they themselves considered no more than property. After all, free states didn't get more representatives for owning more cattle.

Why should not being born here matter? Does birth location somehow magically convey some kind of intelligence? I've lived more than half my life here. Also, to be pedantic, George Washington wasn't born in this country either.
---StrongAxe on 10/23/18


AXE. Here we have topic on abortion, but your very first post distracts from the victims of DEMs baby genocide platform, and instead misrepresents Kanye West in a political attack against REPs.

Whilst you claim to be against abortion, the fact that you always distract from any reference to the DEMs baby genocide suggests that you are more concerned about justifying your support of the baby murdering DEMs than you are about the right to life on unborn babies.
---Haz27 on 10/23/18


StrongAxe: Remember that Kanye West, a black man and a Republican, and a personal friend of Trump,//

He said he was a Democrat. But that wasn't going to stop him from loving Trump.

//He thinks abolishing slavery was a bad idea.//

Nooooo he didn't! Read his WHOLE statement! He is talking about the prison systems.

Their is a clause for those in prison.

//Let that sink in. How is such a position in black peoples' best interests?//

You don't have a clue because you are NOT Black and you were not born in this Country.

You are confused about the Constitution, How and why it was written.

Next you are going to CLAIM Black people are 1/5th of a person because Republicans hated Black people.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/22/18


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Karen: I remember back when having a baby and the decisions made were made between a woman and her husband and her doctor.//

I remember hearing people saying NO ONE was allowed to KILL A BABY.

It didn't MATTER if the baby was their OWN baby or someone else's baby!

Nonsense!

//I personally think it should have stayed that way.//

Sure, why NOT making their decision to kill their 4 year as well.

//I cannot imagine any circumstances where I would have aborted any of my children. But, I cannot make that decision for other women.//

Of course. You didn't want to KILL your own. But killing someone else's baby is ANOTHER THING!

The baby isn't your KIN!

LET IT DIE! It's no concern to you.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/22/18


Nicole_Lacey:

Remember that Kanye West, a black man and a Republican, and a personal friend of Trump, believes in the repeal of the 13th amendment. He thinks abolishing slavery was a bad idea. Let that sink in. How is such a position in black peoples' best interests?
---StrongAxe on 10/21/18


I remember back when having a baby and the decisions made were made between a woman and her husband and her doctor. I personally think it should have stayed that way. I cannot imagine any circumstances where I would have aborted any of my children. But, I cannot make that decision for other women. Today instead of having husband and wife, we have "fiancee" which is the word they use when they are committing fornication.
---KarenD on 10/21/18


First, can I challenge their statement?

How can abortion be the best interest of the unborn child?

How can tearing it into pieces WITHOUT anesthesia be the best interest?

That's what makes me so mad. They make disingenuous statements all the time.

It reminds me of when they (Democrats) said the same thing about Slaves.

It's in their best interests to keep them in bondage because they couldn't handle freedom.

As for pro-choice.

It's still one person's choice. It should be called one-sided choice.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/21/18


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cluny said, "
How does this differ from the pro-choice position?"

It is the same position from both sides (murder) the only difference is really what source is true to what they believe.
---john9346 on 10/21/18


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