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Thank you Strong Ax and nurse Robert. Amen and amen.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/5/18


Nicole_Lacey:

That was MY point! Correlation does not imply causation. Yes, some people die BECAUSE they are in hospitals, but many more avoid dying because they are in hospitals. As a nurse, would you seriously tell people to avoid hospitals because people die there?

McVeigh blew up the Oklahoma federal building in revenge against what happened to the Branch Davidians in Waco. You might very well argue that he didn't uphold Christian values well, and that Jesus would tell him "Go away! I never knew you!", and I would even agree with you, but he DID self-identify as a Christian.

Just as ISIS self-identify as Muslims, even though most peace-loving Muslims abhor them and say they misrepresent Islam.
---StrongAxe on 12/5/18


No one should condemn a person on another person's actions.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/4/18

The Left ALWAYS are trying to control us.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/5/18

Leftists knows a another Leftists tricks and flaws very well.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/4/18

We don't ASSUME someone isn't American just because they look or sound different.

That is everyone except Lefties.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/3/18

Every time you post "stuff" like this you prove yourself to be a hypocrite.

BTW, all you have to do is look at Arpaio and his racial profiling in Maracopa County, Arizona to see that your statement was wrong.
---NurseRobert on 12/5/18


StrongAxe: More people die in hospitals than anywhere else, even though hospitals are medically safer than anywhere else.//

Could be because people who are DYING go to hospitals?

Still people in the hospital die because they were in the hospital. Read: 'How Many Die From Medical Mistakes In U.S. Hospitals?- Marshall Allen

//Remember Timothy McVeigh?//

1. He wasn't a Christian! Leftists point to him because you have NO ONE ELSE.

He was a Secularist.

He DIDN'T do it in Jesus' name nor did he leave claiming it was Jesus

2. Can you please UPDATE your name list. That happened 22 years ago.

I can name more names in the last 10 years claiming it was for Allah than the 125 word max would allow.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/5/18


Haz27:

You wrote: Moderate Muslims might SEEM peaceful, but the great majority will not oppose, nor criticize the respected Islamic authorities who teach Islams religiously mandated terrorism.

Most American evangelicals might SEEM to be Christians, but the great majority will not oppose, nor criticize conservative leaders who do and teach things that are diametrically opposed to the teachings of Christ.

Sound familiar? Pot. Kettle. Black.
---StrongAxe on 12/5/18




AXE. As you always bear false witness (typical of Leftists) then don't be a Pharisee accusing others of transgressing OT law.

To expose your lie I refer to my previous post where I state Islam is the terrorist threat, and that the great majority of moderate Muslims will not oppose the respected Islamic authorities preaching terrorism.

But I'm still waiting for Leftists to answer for their support for supremacist Islam with it's terrorism, rape, racism, misogyny, pedophilia, etc that it has brought to what used to be relatively safe western nations.

BTW, there is no Christian terrorism, as such contradicts Christ's command to love others.
Also Tim McVeigh was AGNOSTIC.
Your lies must stop.





---Haz27 on 12/5/18


There can be no peace with Muslims. Their hatred is in their religion.

Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them. Qur'an 2:191
Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood. Qur'an 9:123
When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you find them. Qur'an 9:30
The Jews and the Christians are perverts,. Qur'an 9:5
Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable. Qur'an 3:85
The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger ...- they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned. (Qur'an 5:33)
The Jews are called in the Qur'an as the progeny of apes and pigs.
---jerry6593 on 12/5/18


StrongAxe: If you have SPECIFIC things Obama said wrong, quote them or point to a video or transcript, instead of just mentioning a vague opinion piece//

I did several time when Obama was a State Senator, but the Moderators will NOT RELEASE them.

Now if the Moderators REFUSE to release them.

You know his actions were BAD.

Look at his voting record as a State Senator in Illinois.

That alone speaks volumes

Matthew 7:16-18
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/5/18


Haz27:

You create a straw man (by declaring all Muslims to be terrorist sympathizers), then burn Samuel at the stake with it (because if he likes ANY Muslims, he MUST be a terrorist sympathizer). You presume, without any evidence, that HE supports "supremacist, racist Muslims bringing their terrorism, rape, pedophilia, etc.", something he never said, nor implied.

I understand that this will be hard for you to grasp, but could you PLEASE re-read the Ten Commandments, especially the "THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS AGAINST THY NEIGHBOR" part, before continuously flinging slanderous accusations against anyone and everyone who disagrees with you?
---StrongAxe on 12/4/18


and republicans don't steal elections? Bush 2000 did
---mike on 12/5/18




SAMUEL. I have debated many Muslims (moderates & fundamentalists), and found that anti-Christ Islam is clearly a terrorist threat that cannot be reformed.

Moderate Muslims might SEEM peaceful, but the great majority will not oppose, nor criticize the respected Islamic authorities who teach Islams religiously mandated terrorism.

The too few Muslims who do dare to speak out (e.g Tarek Fatah in Canada & Imam Tawhidi in Australia) against Islams Sharia law type terrorism, are always ridiculed and threatened by fellow Muslims, and also Leftists.

BTW, as youre a Leftist, why are you content with supremacist, racist Muslims bringing their terrorism, rape, pedophilia, etc to what once was relatively safe Western nations?
---Haz27 on 12/4/18


Steven what website told you 99.98 support the terrorists who are murdering them?//

Numbers are wrong.

'New Poll of Muslim Countries Finds Large Support for Terrorists' By Meira Svirsky (2013)

Please cite the Gov Agency. If there are 1 billion Muslims then 0.01 would be 1 million Terrorists. That's still a lot for one group

Besides you are playing with numbers.

If GM cars break down the most.

Who would use all the cars in world to calculate the chances you have for your car to break down?

No, you base your car to similar make and model.

What in common does all the Terrorists have between each other?

Fact is Fact.

No one should condemn a person on another person's actions.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/4/18


Samuel, Strongaxe,
Read the Qoran. It explains it all.
---Steveng on 12/4/18


Steven what website told you 99.98 support the terrorists who are murdering them?

I mean you walk up to a man and say I know you intend to murder me and my family because I am a different type of Muslim. So here is money so you can kill everyone I love.

.01% of Muslims are terrorist. That is from the U. S. Government. The majority of it's victims are other Muslims.

The vast majority of American fled to the U.S. to escape terrorism. So they oppose it. We should oppose lies and terrorizing Muslims. Like that false report you gave.

As Christians we are to love Muslims. So please stop spreading hate. Follow Jesus and preach love.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/4/18


Steveng:

Such numbers seem alarmingly high, again unless you look at the PER CAPITA numbers. You could concoct similar alarming statistics about any group or any activity. 50% of all U.S. marriages end in divorce INCLUDING Christian ones. Does that mean we shouldn't get married?

Please show evidence how ALL 99.98% of non-violent Muslims support terrorists.


Nicole_Lacey:

YOU should study statistics, and conditional probability. More people die in hospitals than anywhere else, even though hospitals are medically safer than anywhere else.

Google: Christian terrorism
Remember Timothy McVeigh?
---StrongAxe on 12/4/18


Strongaxe worte: "It's estimated that 1 in 7000 Muslims are terrorists..."

Even one terrorist is a problem. But let's look at your numbers:

There are over two billion muslims in the world. According to your numbers, over 285,000 are terrorists. This number can create havoc throughout the world.

It's also a fact that 99.98 of the muslims who are NOT terrorists support the terrorists - either financially or otherwise.
---Steveng on 12/4/18


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StrongAxe: It's estimated that 1 in 7000 Muslims are terrorists,//

You are playing with math.

90% of all Terrorism committed are by Muslims.

0000.1% committed by Christians

'Terrorism' Our World in Date with the top 10 Countries with the most Terrorism. 2nd Column 9/11 to 2018

Iraq, India, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Thailand, Philippines Russia, Colombia, Israel and Nepal.

All except Colombia have Muslims unrest.

Colombia's terrorism are due to drug that has NOTHING to due to Christianity.

BTW, one rotten apple isn't the problem.

It's ONLY a problem when they infest the rest of the trees.

So the farmer need to get rid of that ONE rotten apple so other apples do NOT destroyed
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/4/18


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: Matth 7:18-20

It's estimated that 1 in 7000 Muslims are terrorists, meaning 99.98% of them aren't. If you are an apple farmer, and one apple in 7000 is rotten, do you burn down the orchard?

If you have SPECIFIC things Obama said wrong, quote them or point to a video or transcript, instead of just mentioning a vague opinion piece.

Read Politifact's "Old Obama video misrepresents his views on Christianity":
"... However, the few snippets of Obama's longer speech do not accurately reflect his views on Christianity overall, and it is an overstatement to say that he is mocking God."
---StrongAxe on 12/3/18


StrongAxe: It's only NEWS to Republicans who insist he's a Muslim and can't believe he's a Christian.//

Matt 7:18-20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them

Luke 6:45 ...For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.

Just because he calls himself a Christian doesn't mean he behaved as Jesus' Wished.

Obama as State Senator voted against the Illinois BAIPA 4 times.

That gave babies born ALIVE from failed abortions protection and medical care.

Not only did he wanted unborn babies dead he also wanted born babies death.

Remember Obama in 2006 MOCKED the Bible -Political Insider.

Tell me who do you know who calls himself a Christian and mock it's HOLIEST Book?

Not Trump
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/3/18


Nicole_Lacey:

It's only NEWS to Republicans who insist he's a Muslim and can't believe he's a Christian.

Google: Trump "eye for eye"

The 2nd Amendment, AS WRITTEN, mentions Militias, regardless of Heller. Heller may separate the clauses, but it doesn't eliminate the militia clause. Anyway, I never said I oppose 2A, militia or otherwise. I think it's fine for people to lawfully possess arms, although I don't believe that should include machine guns, tanks, aircraft carriers, nukes, etc.

Right now, it's REPUBLICANS who are gerrymandering and trying to win by hook or by crook.


jerry6593:

If you don't believe Snopes, look up the REFERENCES they cite.
---StrongAxe on 11/30/18


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Samuel, I cited 4 articles Written by leftists papers) through the years discussing Obama going to Church

Why write about his regular church going schedule if he REALLY was going?

No one denied Bill Clinton went to Church. The jokes was that he thought he was Black on Sundays

That's like writing an article that the Pope went to Church last Sunday. Who would think that was NEWS?

Apparently, it's NEWS whenever Obama went to Church. Why?

Because he didn't go often WHILE in the White house.

BTW. Who claims Trump goes to Church?

We are saying he is Christian.

You all told us if Obama claims he is a Christian we have to accept it.

That goes both ways.

Trump says he is a Christian
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/30/18


Obama went to church. One of his early preachers he listened to was off the wall. But he had stopped going there. Now he attends a Methodist church.

Trump when asked for his favorite verse didn't know how to pronounce the book of the Bible it was in. According to the news he plays golf on Sunday and has not attended church. As a child he attended the Presbyterian church. All this is available.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/30/18


StrongAxe: Obama is a church-going Christian.//

WHAT?

Remember when he got into the White House he STOPPED going to Church because it's purpose was accomplished.

'Pointless scrutiny of Obamas church attendance'- MSNBC 2015

All from Politico: 'Obama skips church, heads to gym' 11/23/2008

'Another Sunday without church' 12/07/2008

'Obama goes to church' 09/19/2010

If he was a church going Christian WHY would it be NEWS that he went to Church?

//Trump is not a church-goer,//

Who said he was a church-goer? Not him.

//has no idea what Christianity is.//

How do you know that?

//His favorite verse is the "eye for eye" part.//

Did he saying that or you?
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/30/18


StrongAxe: I support 2A. It talks about MILITIAS.//

No it doesn't.

****District of Columbia v. Heller (2008), is a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that the Second Amendment protects an INDIVIDUAL'S RIGHTS TO POSSESS A FIREARM, UNCONNECTED WITH SERVICE IN A MILITIA,for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home, and that Washington, D.C.'s handgun ban and requirement that lawfully-owned rifles and shotguns be kept "unloaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger lock" violated this guarantee.

//More "what-about"ism! Gerrymandering is wrong, no matter WHO does it.//

Democrats ALWAYS starts WRONG and CORRUPT means in order to win elections
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/30/18


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ax: That's pretty lame, depending on left-wing sources like Snopes and McCain.

Why do you defend such a barbaric threat to Western civilization as Obama?




---jerry6593 on 11/30/18


There's a great hour special on the Smithsonian Channel about Obama, and it goes into the area of Wright and how Obama handled it. And even gave interview of Obama and how and why he handled it the way he did. I think Jerry , before speaking out of school AGAIN, you might want to listen to that rather than ONLY listen to those who took it to the extreme.

Strongaxe, Jerry probably still believes in an eye for an eye, since he's all about keeping the LAW and judging others. It will be very hard for him on Judgement day, since he will be judged with the same judgement.
---kathr4453 on 11/30/18


jerry6593:

Google: obama muslim faith

The top is a Snopes article debunking this. The last line in the interview transcript: "you're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith".

Obama did not say HE has "Muslim faith". He said McCAIN didn't talk about "Obama's Muslim faith".

I don't talk about YOUR Muslim faith either (you don't have any). That it's a topic I don't talk about doesn't mean it's a faith you have.

If someone considers a religious song beautiful, doesn't mean he believes that religion. Trump liking "the eye for eye part" of the Bible doesn't make him a Christian. Even Paul quoted pagan philosophers.
---StrongAxe on 11/29/18


\\Out of his own mouth, Obama praised his "Muslim faith". He also claimed that the Muslim call to prayer was the most beautiful sound he ever heard.\\

When did he say these things?

I'm hardly an Obama fan, btw.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/29/18


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Cluny: "There is no evidence that Obama is or ever was a mahometan."

WRONG! Out of his own mouth, Obama praised his "Muslim faith". He also claimed that the Muslim call to prayer was the most beautiful sound he ever heard.

What kind of Christianity did Jeremiah Wright preach? Certainly not anything that you or me would recognize.


---jerry6593 on 11/29/18


There is no evidence that Obama is or ever was a mahometan.

He supports several issues, such as abortion, that mahometanism forbids.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/28/18


jerry6593:

"By their fruits you will know them". Obama is a church-going Christian. Trump is not a church-goer, and has no idea what Christianity is. His favorite verse is the "eye for eye" part. He boasts of never doing anything he was sorry for (no repentance). He's only in bed with the Evangelical Right to get their votes. He has no idea what fidelity is (cheated on each of his wives). What evidence shows Trump is a Christian at all?


Nicole_Lacey:

I support 2A. It talks about MILITIAS.

More "what-about"ism! Gerrymandering is wrong, no matter WHO does it.

Trump got 2 justices because "why are Democrats obstructing?" Sessions obstructed Garland.
---StrongAxe on 11/28/18


Elbridge Gerry was Governor of Massachusetts, a Democrat
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/27/18

Wrong... Gerry was a Democratic-Republican (formally the Republican Party) an American political party formed by Thomas Jefferson and James Madison around 1792. They called themselves Republicans after their ideology, republicanism.

Republicans have made Gerrymandering a fine art.. Only only has to look at the top most Gerrymanderd states. all run by republicans.
---NurseRobert on 11/28/18


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ax: I support Trump - not for his Christianity (although it is better than Obama's Muslim beliefs) - but rather for his performance in draining the Obama swamp and making America great again. I am not double minded, but am singularly pro-American.

I do not support morality legislation - at all. That is outside the province of government. It is the Democrats who push for "hate" crime legislation and make a man a criminal for a single word. (Isa 29:21 That make a man an offender for a word)

To be a white Christian male in America today is to be a pariah, thanks to the Democrats. Meanwhile, we are castigated for daring to criticize any of the protected class (female, LGBTQXYZ, Black, Muslim, etc.).

---jerry6593 on 11/28/18


David: Come on folks. These arguments just make you mad...so why engage in them? Has anyones mind been changed? No!!!
So agree to disagree and just walk away.//

True David, StrongAxe and I are adamant, but we enjoy the debates.

Trust me might sound very mad at each other, but we are not.

We have thick skin and hit each other hard.

It's like boxing. We get in the ring to knock each other out, but in words. A hobby like.

I am sorry if out discussions causes you or anyone any distress.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/28/18


Come on folks. These arguments just make you mad...so why engage in them? Has anyones mind been changed? No!!!
So agree to disagree and just walk away.

How does that serenity prayer go?
God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, Courage to change the things I can, And wisdom to know the difference.
---David on 11/28/18


StrongAxe: When someone is shot today, we don't blame Winchester or Remington who made guns a hundred years ago. We blame the shooter TODAY.//

NOOO, YOU DON'T!

YOU BLAME THE 2ND Amendment!

Next, you all try to PUNISH all Law abiding Citizens.

//When someone gerrymanders TODAY, blame the people who are doing it TODAY - Republicans

You are mad because Republicans have the nerve to fight Democrats with their own weapons.

Just like when Prince Harry got rid of the nuclear option.

Even when McConnell warned Reid not to do it because the Republicans would do the same thing.

I guess Reid should have listened with our 2 Justices seated with only 51 votes
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/27/18


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Nicole_Lacey:

When someone is shot today, we don't blame Winchester or Remington who made guns a hundred years ago. We blame the shooter TODAY. When someone gerrymanders TODAY, blame the people who are doing it TODAY - Republicans.


jerry6593:

Republicans who support Trump ARE double-minded. They constantly push for morality-based legislation, while at the same time praising a leader who breaks almost all of the Ten Commandments (Thou Shalt Not steal, covet, commit adultery, and bear false witness) on a regular basis. They claim to follow Jesus, who said to help the poor and helpless, yet their actions make them seem more like disciples of Ayn "The Virtue of Selfishness" Rand.
---StrongAxe on 11/27/18


Jerry is right. Democrats invented Gerrymanding

In 1812, Gerrymander the noun used for Elbridge Gerry was Governor of Massachusetts, a Democrat and the Democratic Legislature in the State re-districted to win.

A painter named Stuart called it salamander!

But another man called it Gerrymander!

Which that word became a proverb.

The next year the Democratic party carried every office in the State.

The Democrats can't win elections without cheating somehow.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/27/18


StrogAxe: "It is not impossible to be both a Republican and a Christian, but it does require a lot of double-think, and looking the other way at many outrageous things."

Thank you, thank you for that refreshing bit of honesty! I think you're on to something with the "double-think" comment. About that, the Bible says:

Jas 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners, and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

Jas 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

Hence the comment "It is impossible for a Democrat to be a Christian."


---jerry6593 on 11/27/18


Samuel: I don't remember Republicans asking for a recount.//

Because they haven't

//if the vote were close they would.//

Like 2,936? 2012 ND Senate Race was won by a (D)Heidi Heitkamp 50.2% 161,337 to Rick Berg 49.3% 158,401 LESS than 1%

Romney LOST Florida by 1% Obama 4,237,756 to Romney 4,163,447. by 74,309 votes

Romney and Berg DIDN'T start screaming recount.

But when Nelson(D) LOST by 12,603 votes to Scott(R) he DEMANDED a recount

Georgia Kemp(R)1,978,408 50.2% bet Abrams(D)1,923,685 48.8% by 1.4% a 54,723 vote lead. The Democrat DEMANDED a recount. REALLY?

Florida DeSantis(R)4,075,445 49.6% bet Gillum(D)4,041,762 49.2% by 0.4%, but still by 33,683 votes. Gillum still screamed 'RECOUNT'
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/26/18


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So Jerry how do Democrats gerrymander in a Republican controlled area?

Yes both Republican and Democrats should be arrested when they do wrong. Like steal money or get money to keep drugs artificial high.

Republican put in laws to prevent voter fraud. Fine. It worked. So why lie and say it didn't?

You say Democrats cannot be Christians. Why? I have only be given lies that say that.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/26/18


jerry6593:

You wrote: Sam: Stop telling lies. Gerrymandering is a Democrat ploy.

Just this year, the PA Supreme Court ordered Pennsylvania to redraw voting districts, because their Republican government had outrageously gerrymandered them. The court gave them a deadline to redraw the districts, or if they didn't, the court would do it for them. They refused, and appealed to the Supreme Court, who declined to hear the case, so the PA Supreme Court decision stands, and they forced the districts to be redrawn. Google: pennsylvania gerrymandering case

It is not impossible to be both a Republican and a Christian, but it does require a lot of double-think, and looking the other way at many outrageous things.
---StrongAxe on 11/26/18


Nicole. Democrats are not perfect. Neither are Republicans.

Off hand I don't remember Republicans asking for a recount. But if the vote were close they would.

Also when a person is running and eliminates multiple thousands of black voters from the roles because he can. Is it okay to complain that he might be cheating?

Again they put in voter fraud laws that work. So why are they saying it didn't work. For if there was voter fraud that worked why did they win?

If the elections were rigged to let Democrats win. Why didn't it work. Unless you are being lied too.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/26/18


Sam: Stop telling lies. Gerrymandering is a Democrat ploy. In my own district near Orlando, a Democrat Congresswoman maintained her seat for many years with a district that snaked from Jacksonville, through Orlando and beyond. Fortunately, she was arrested on felony charges a few years ago.

Republicans graciously concede when they lose. Democrats never do.

It is impossible to be both a Democrat and a Christian.


---jerry6593 on 11/26/18


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Samuel, please tell me when a Democrat had won an election.

But a Republican requested a recount and won after the recount.

Please tell when it has happened.

I can tell you many times when it happened.

Democrats never complain of voter fraud because they are doing the voter fraud.

Why would someone get mad when a dead person is removed from the voter roll?

Democrats are mad.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/25/18


StrongAxe: Many ballots are not counted on election day, for various reasons.//

Because they are invalid reasons.

//In heavily populated areas, it can take many days to count all the ballots.//

Do you think they are counting them by hand?

The machine counts them as soon as you drop the ballot into machine.

It keeps up with them count.

That why many poll stations have to report the count 30 minutes after the polls close.

//Ants don't live solo.//

Voter frauds isn't a one odd time event. It happens all the time. Esp. in Florida

//So you're just going to assume crimes happened without any evidence,//

Snipes and her Lawyers admitted the crimes themselves.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/25/18


That is a false question.

The true stealing is more about gerrymandering. Which Republicans are very good at.

So the Republicans made good rules they said and I agree stop voter fraud.

But now they say they didn't keep their words. They said they lied they didn't stop voter fraud. Especially if Democrats win.

So why did they say they were stopping it? Since they now say they didn't.

Also if the Democrats are stealing the elections. They why are the not winning more elections?
---Samuelbb7 on 11/25/18


Nicole_Lacey:

Many ballots are not counted on election day, for various reasons. In heavily populated areas, it can take many days to count all the ballots. There may be a dispute over whether voting credentials are valid, so voters are allowed to cast provisional ballots (to ensure that they vote before the deadline), but their credentials can be verified after the fact.

Ants don't live solo.

I have absolutely NO clue what you meant by this.

If the Supervisor did the mixing you know those underneath her mixed more.

So you're just going to assume crimes happened without any evidence, just like Trump alleged 3 million fraudulent votes in California, similarly with zero evidence.
---StrongAxe on 11/25/18


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StrongAxe: Provisional ballots aren't necessarily INVALID ballots//

???

If they are not invalid it means they are valid.

They were not counted on election day because they were invalid.

//..they're just ballots that haven't been properly vetted.//

Valid ballots are never vetted. Wait, now I am speaking like you.

The Voter is the one that isn't valid. So that makes his or her ballot invalid.

//Again, the amount of damage that was POSSIBLY done by this mixing was in the TENS of votes,//

Ants don't live solo.

If the Supervisor did the mixing you know those underneath her mixed more.

Plus, she only admitted to 30. Just as drunk people admit to have drank 2 glasses of alcohol.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/24/18


Nicole_Lacey:

Provisional ballots aren't necessarily INVALID ballots - they're just ballots that haven't been properly vetted. Again, the amount of damage that was POSSIBLY done by this mixing was in the TENS of votes, while the damage actually done by disenfranchisement is in the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of voters.

Guess what Kemp's responsibilities were? Supervising your own election negates all presumption of neutrality. Our election officials are not only supposed to not have any bias, they are supposed to avoid any PERCEPTION of bias. This is why judges aren't permitted to adjudicate cases that involve themselves, their families, or their friends - yet Kemp saw nothing wrong with adjudicating his own election!
---StrongAxe on 11/24/18


I gave evidence StrongAxe. Illegals can't vote. You can't mix provisional ballots with the other ballots. No ballots from rented cars.

You can't decide when you want to turn in your ballots.

//Again, specifically, what ballots could they fill out that would pass the vetting process, and how?//

Matching signatures.

Don't pretend you are your dead great-grand father just because you are John Smith the 4th.

//what Snipes did involved at most a few dozen dozen ballots that may have been questionable. Again, actual voter fraud is in the TENS of votes.//

????

Not questionable, but fraud. Her title is Supervisor of election!

She suppose to supervise others not to mix ballots. Not mix them herself.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/23/18


jerry6593:

I answered this several times, but you have selective hearing.

Without voter ID, sometimes people vote fraudulently. This numbers in the tens to thousands.

With voter ID, people (mostly the poor and elderly, mostly Democrats) who find it hard to travel to DMVs (many of which are closed by Republican adminstrations) can't obtain IDs and are disenfranchised. They number in the hundreds of thousands.

In other words, voter ID causes about a thousand times as much damage as it fixes.

Franken is neither a mad scientist nor a corpse made from body parts, so your "Frankenstein" monicker was hardy "accurate". If you want to fling mud, please go back to the kiddies' sandbox.
---StrongAxe on 11/23/18


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Jerry: Can you think of any reason why a political party should oppose voter ID if not to cheat?//

That's the only reason Democrat oppose IDs. They know they can't cheat.

BTW, when you surround yourself with stupid people or low informed people you start to think everyone is stupid or low informed. They are so arrogant.

Also these are the same type of people who for 8 years insulted the White middle class and were surprised Nov 8th they didn't vote for Hillary.

Or that White Women do not have White sons, brothers, fathers, husbands or nephews.

BTW, If the Illegals and those who voted more than once were not in the ballot boxes the Republicans would have had a larger lead.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/23/18


Nicole: One thing is clear, leftists are poor losers, and they cheat at every opportunity. Perhaps the marxists on CN don't know because they rely on perverted news media. Can you think of any reason why a political party should oppose voter ID if not to cheat? Dems oppose it.

FYI, Snipes quit, but she's under investigation on criminal charges. How stupid can you get to pull a scam on the guy (DeSantis) who is Attorney General and soon-to-be Governor.

BTW, I pointed out Al Frankenstein's win by trunk ballots a few days ago, but CN blocked me because of the name I called him (albeit an accurate moniker).


---jerry6593 on 11/23/18


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: I am NOT a Democrat. Ask your party leaders.

No. YOU are accusing them of election fraud, so it's up to YOU to supply the evidence of that accusation.

Again, specifically, what ballots could they fill out that would pass the vetting process, and how?

Also, what Snipes did involved at most a few dozen dozen ballots that may have been questionable. Again, actual voter fraud is in the TENS of votes.

If there was voter fraud in Franken's 2004 election, why wasn't that prosecuted and his election voided? More allegations with insufficient proof.
---StrongAxe on 11/23/18


As an American citizen I can vote my conscience, but my vote is not going to change the minds of those who I vote against. For this reason, I dont argue politics, unless I have the opportunity to change the mind.

If the dialogue your using isnt formulated to change the mind, it becomes charged with emotion. Then its no longer a discussion, its an argument.

(Proverbs 15,18) A wrathful man stirreth up strife: but he that is slow to anger appeaseth strife.
---David on 11/23/18


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StrongAxe: I LIVE in Arizona and followed the election carefully. McSally was winning at first,//

Yes, she lead on election night.

She lost after days LATER when ballots for found for the recount.

//urban areas are traditionally more progressive...There was no recount in Arizona.//

No, you have a law stating if the margins are too close it sets off a recount.

Why do you think it took a week to declare a winner? A recount took place as Democrats love because that's were funny business takes place.

BTW, Doug Ducey a Republican got 56.4% of the vote for Governor betting David Garcia a Democrat who got 41.5% and Angel Torres, Green party who got 2.1% of the votes (not so progressive as you thought).
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/23/18


StrongAxe: So explain where those extra boxes of ballots came from?//

I am NOT a Democrat. Ask your party leaders.

//If they were fraudulent, that fraud would easily be discovered as such after being cross-referenced with voter rolls - yet we don't hear about that happening. I wonder why not?//

You are mixing 2 frauds into 1

They filled out ballots AFTER the election and claimed it was left over ballots filled out before the election.

The 2nd fraud was when Snipes mixed the provisional ballots into the machine with legal ballots to be counted. Understand?

Just like in 2004, ballot boxes were found in a trunk of a car in MN to give Al Flanken a U.S. Senator seat.

What's the excuse for that one?
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/22/18


Even before this election Kemp and Casey Cagle were in a runoff. Cagle was WAY ahead of Kemp, who still had control of Secretary of State duties. and out of no where Kemp beats Cagle by a land slide. And the tongues were wagging even then of foul play.

And when the VP came to GA and insulted Holywood, there was a back lash then, because Atlanta is the Hollywood of the south, having invested BILLIONS in
our economy here, are now threatening to close it all down because of the insults. Funny though, it was our last 2 Republican Governors who brought them in.
---kathr4453 on 11/21/18


Nicole_Lacey:

So explain where those extra boxes of ballots came from? If they were fraudulent, that fraud would easily be discovered as such after being cross-referenced with voter rolls - yet we don't hear about that happening. I wonder why not?

I LIVE in Arizona and followed the election carefully. McSally was winning at first, because the urban areas are traditionally more progressive than rural ones, and since more people live in cities, it takes longer to count. Once more city votes got around to being tabulated, Sinema came out ahead. There was no recount in Arizona.

Kemp should NEVER have been allowed to be in charge of his own election.
---StrongAxe on 11/21/18


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StrongAxe: and some poll workers "conveniently" misplace boxes of ballots,//

So you think they 'conveniently' misplace the boxes and I think they 'conveniently' found the boxes 2 days after the election.

Provisional ballots are NEVER machine counted because the Voter's right to vote is question.

//Republicans were quite insistent on stopping ballot counting early in Arizona when McSally was winning, but once Sinema started leading, they suddenly insisted on counting every vote.//

No you are wrong. McSally won after all ballots were counted.

Somehow after a Re-count Sinema won.

McSally should have fought.

The Democrats were hoping Kemp and Scott would have followed McSally lead.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/20/18


Haz27:

Republicans steal elections by gerrymandering (wining with as little as 1/4 of the vote), new voter ID laws, closing polling stations and DMVs in poor areas (both disenfranchising mostly Democrats), holding up validation of legitimately registered voters, Kemp overseeing his OWN ELECTION, etc.

Nicole complains about "found" boxes of ballots, but so what? They must be vetted anyway, and with all the new voter ID laws, wouldn't that be easier? One person can't vote twice when ballots are correlated to voting lists. Of course, Republicans recently voted to cut funding to the very organizations whose job it is to ensure election integrity, so if there IS undetected election fraud, they have only themselves to blame.
---StrongAxe on 11/19/18


Haz27 said, "In Australia also cases have been exposed in the past, prior to voter id, where Leftists voted on behalf of the recently deceased, or voted at multiple voting stations."

This is an old-time art form in Chicago, and the right wingers have participated.
---Monk_Brendan on 11/19/18


I'm not surprised to hear these examples from Jerry and Nicole of how DEMs try to steal elections.

I hear of similar stories from other nations too.

In India if you don't vote early in the morning then you'll miss out as someone else will vote on your behalf and you'll be denied your vote.
One of my students told me how she has no doubts that even though she has not lived in Zimbabwe for over 15 years she knows from it's culture that her vote has been used to vote for the corrupt Robert Mugabe.
These are good examples why voter id is needed.

In Australia also cases have been exposed in the past, prior to voter id, where Leftists voted on behalf of the recently deceased, or voted at multiple voting stations.
---Haz27 on 11/19/18


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Here's the thing, if you want to accuse specific democrats by name who you know cheated or stole, by all means do so, but to say Democrats, as in ALL Democrats, is bearing false witness. We also have corrupt republicans who should be called out by name, and not accuse ALL REPUBLICANS.

I agree with Strongaxe, when you have a backwards voting system with cards that are stored in boxes in elementary cafeterias, out of harms way of the multitudes coming in to vote, of coarse they could get overlooked . BUT also would not be easy to have bogus cards as FL is not that backwards where they can push more cards through than voters.

GA also has an OLD voting system they refuse to update.
---kathr4453 on 11/19/18


Nicole_Lacey:

When a school is a polling location, and some poll workers "conveniently" misplace boxes of ballots, they "forget" to be counted until long after the election is over (unless someone happens to discover them early, as happened this time).

When ballots are processed, they are properly vetted and compared to voter records. You can't just "concoct" ballots and have them counted.

Republicans were quite insistent on stopping ballot counting early in Arizona when McSally was winning, but once Sinema started leading, they suddenly insisted on counting every vote.

I have heard Republicans chanting "but her emails" for 2 years much more than Hillary complaining.
---StrongAxe on 11/18/18


Jerry, thanks for your comment in the other blog.

I never lived in Florida, but we all are effected and disenfranchised with Democrat's criminal actions.

Watch, when Senator Scott removes Snipes Democrats will be screaming racism.

Finding ballots in airports and schools after the election are common sense no no in elections.

1st the Democrats didn't want Trump to question our election results.

But when Clinton lost she has been complaining for 2 years.

Democrats praised McSally for conceding quietly and said ALL Republicans needed to follow her example even thought at the SAME time Nelson, Abrams and Gulliam REFUSED to concede.

Democrats are mad because we are NOT acting stupid anymore.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/18/18


They want continued extensions so that they can "find" (manufacture) more missing ballots.
---jerry6593 on 11/18/18

Finding ballots in the Airport, trunk of cars and schools is trying to STEAL elections.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/17/18

What a load of manure.. Where is your proof of any of this??
---NurseRobert on 11/18/18


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It's sin to bear false witness against anyone without proof. Unless YOU have seen this with your own eyes, and reported it to the authorities ASAP, you are guilty of slander and bearing false witness. What you are doing is REPEATING something told to you by FOX or whatever that they don't even have proof. It's folks like you who continue to divide by repeating gossip with out proof. That's SIN. ONE OF THE 10 COMMANDMENTS YOU SAY YOU LIVE BY.

If there is wrong doing, it's up to the Republican officials in FL, which there are many to investigate.

You hate it when others accuse TRUMP, but are guilty of doing the same. It's called HYPOCRICY. And God said hypocrites WILL NOT enter the Kingdom of God.
---kathr4453 on 11/18/18


I live in Florida. I was born here. We have laws governing our elections and EXACTLY how they are to be conducted. All of Florida, with the exception of Democrat-heavy Broward and Palm Beach Counties, have no trouble complying with those laws. All votes are to be counted and submitted within 3 hours after the polls close. Even the Panhandle, still reeling after a cat. 4 hurricane strike, managed to comply. But not the "poor loser" Democrats. They want continued extensions so that they can "find" (manufacture) more missing ballots.

We the people of Florida are tired of being disenfranchised by having our choices overturned by criminal Democrats. I hope that they are locked up soon.


---jerry6593 on 11/18/18


"always"?
---chria9396 on 11/18/18


Of course!

Look at Florida.

Everyone claiming they are not are lying to themselves.

If a woman keeps going to the ER with bruises and broken bones, there is a point when ER staff stops believing in the 'clumsy' excuse.

Finding ballots in the Airport, trunk of cars and schools is trying to STEAL elections.

How comes these ballots are ALWAYS found by Democrats?

Anyone on CN, please CITE once when a Republican found ballots after a election. And demanded those ballots be COUNTED in a recount?

How come Democrats can't get their act together?

Because they can! It's part of their plan to have bad machines to buy them time to steal the election.

BTW, what about the Russians?
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/17/18


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Jerry
God is more powerful than any elected official. If he wants to change anything...he will. But if he doesnt...its probably because he has a reason.

I relish death, because it means I will be rid of this world and the evil in it. And bonus, death means we will be present with the Lord.

Politics creates hate, and Hate is Satans greatest weapon in his fight against God. If you dont let him use it..is it no longer a weapon. Your vote will not change Gods plans, but politics can change yours. Remember the words of our Lord.

(Matthew 6:34)
Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
---David on 11/17/18


Many believe George Bush stole Florida in 2000 stealing the election.

I'm more concerned about Trump stealing from campaign contributions to pay off his mistresses ..is a nice way of putting it.

Didn't Trumps son steal from his own foundation for something or another....not to mention how his father and mother stole when they lied about their money creating NY out of millions of tax revenue.
---kathr4453 on 11/17/18


Jerry, that question is on the level of "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?"

I don't think Democrats are more likely to steal elections (whatever that may be) than Republicans are.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/16/18


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