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Should Churches Be Taxed

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\\our own offensive and anti-Christian words won't stop me from sharing GOD'S WORD \\

But you're NOT sharing God's word, Melody.

You're merely sharing your own.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/21/19


Melody, PEACE and SORRY for all and any words of mine that offended you.

May God bless you always
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/21/19


Nicole:

May THE LORD rebuke you and others that sees as an offense and attack for someone like me or others to stand up for GOD'S WORD AND THE TRUTH that only relies in our LORD JESUS CHRIST.
Your own offensive and anti-Christian words won't stop me from sharing GOD'S WORD - and your own accusations against me because I exposing false doctrines in opposition to Christianity - THE LORD makes judgment accordingly - my conscience is at peace by sharing the Gospel of Truth and nothing else and to whom might accept it in their hearts!
---Melody on 1/20/19


Steveng: Worldly tactics don't work.//

Are you disagreeing with Jesus? Matthew 10:16

//Has he tried using God's way? The simple answer is "no."//

We all did. What do think 'tried ANOTHER tactic' means???

//I'm not on these blogs on a daily basis like most of you. I do have a real life to live, not a virtual life like most of you.//

Right?

So, how do you explain you are the NO.1 person posting blogs on CN???

I guess your 'REAL' life isn't that busy.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/20/19


Nicole wrote: "Cluny, tried another tactic with her."

Worldly tactics don't work. Has he tried using God's way? The simple answer is "no."

Nicole wrote: "BTW, Where were you when she attacks me?"

I'm not on these blogs on a daily basis like most of you. I do have a real life to live, not a virtual life like most of you.
---Steveng on 1/19/19




Neither is Scientology , but they get a tax break. And the Unification Church AKA THE MOONIES get one as well.

So CHURCH in America does not have to do with Christianity. There was a great show on HBO, with John Oliver on this very subject called "Televangelist". It was a brilliant expose on the subject. He as a joke filled out the paperwork for a tax exempt church status, stating his audience was his church, and as a joke the audience participated in some rediculous name for it, and stated their beliefs were ..again something really off the wall, calling it " Our lady of perpetual exemption" Or something rediculous like that....and WALLA. It was several months ago since I saw that, so I'm paraphrasing here.
---kathr4453 on 1/19/19


The Moonies have NOTHING to do with Christianity.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/18/19


Actually in today's evil world, yes. Then Scientologists, Mormons Moonies, Paula White Benny Hinners etc etc, and all those fake Christian orginizations hiding under this falsehood can't scam the country anymore by being some tax exempt entity making a farce out of Christianity. These are TRAFFICERS in Christianity. Just as evil and corrupt as any TRAFFICERS.
---kathr4453 on 1/18/19


\\... even priests. they are ones who collect all the money & use the word 'church' to enrich themselves. \\

I know that our priest and his wife are living off their pension he's getting from his first carrer as an engineer.

BTW, most RC and Orthodox parishes have to pay something variously called the tithe or cathedraticum to the diocese.

Furthermore, the parishes that have schools frequently have to help support them, as well as the external works of mercy the parish engages in .

Once more, you prove that you simply don't know what you are talking about.

I'll bet you covet all the money you think priests get, Steveng.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/17/19


Steveng: Telling someone that they are a Tattle Tail is not showing love (as in the verb form) to try to explain or SHOW Melody how she sounds on CN!//

We told her directly. We asked her to stop.

She hits you with a bat and gets upset if you hit her back with a wet noodle.

Then tells you she is going to report you so you will be kicked off CN.

For the 'wet noodle weapon' offense.

Cluny, tried another tactic with her.

BTW, Where were you when she attacks me?

Click on her name, get some popcorn and read her messages to others.

James 2:1-9

Matthew 7:1
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/17/19




Nicole"

Those are not my words, they come directly from GOD'S ADMONITIONS (so they are ridiculous and immature?)- to WHOM you are really offending is GOD'S WORD - and you can deny where your beliefs are over and over again - but that won't change what HIS WORD says about those who believe as you do - or again are you denying the truth of your religion in opposition to THE ONLY TRUE GOD and what HE says: "You shall not have 'any other gods' - you shall not make idols/images and worship them" . . . not ready to accept the facts that come from THE LORD unto you? - for in that depends your eternal life: "Decide WHOM you are going to serve" - for divided - it doesn't work with THE ONLY TRUE GOD!
---Melody on 1/17/19


Telling someone that they are a Tattle Tail is not showing love (as in the verb form) to try to explain or SHOW Melody how she sounds on CN! How do you think Jesus would explain to Melody? Jesus would not respond the way you and cluny responded becasue that is not how he taught us to love.
---Steveng on 1/17/19


Steveng: Melody said this:

"If you keep on distorting my words and by that offending me, I will report you."

Cluny responded to her by saying this:

"Tattle tale! Tattle tail!"

You said to him:

"that is the most ridiculous, immature and unchristian response I have ever read on these blogs."

Of course!

Cluny is trying to explain or SHOW Melody how she sounds on CN!

BTW, telling people they are going to hell, or worshipping idols VS calling someone a Tattle Tail is difficult for you to see WHO is REALLY the most ridiculous, immature and given an unchristian speaks volumes about you.

Melody, thinks she is a CN Dictator.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/16/19


Cluny, that is the most ridiculous, immature and unchristian response I have ever read on these blogs.
---Steveng on 1/13/19


\\If you keep on distorting my words and by that offending me, I will report you - so stop it!
---Melody on 1/12/19\\

Tattle tale! Tattle tail!

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/13/19


Nicole:

Call it what you call it: It is abominable for anyone to expect money from any soul in which spiritual ministry is given - but of course under your own open rebellion and blindness you keep on defending some things that THE LORD will never accept under HIS HOLINESS and because of that, these rituals will never bring any spiritual rewards to the souls - they are man-made and under GOD'S judgment to those who profit by deceiving those that are away from THE LORD'S SALVATION and under spiritual darkness!

If you keep on distorting my words and by that offending me, I will report you - so stop it!
---Melody on 1/12/19


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Oh yes! - share the Truth that comes from GOD'S WORD - and those against it to the attack ---- but as THE LORD said:

"Let the dead bury their dead (and especially spiritually speaking) - but go thou and preach The Kingdom of GOD". And THE LORD JESUS said: "No man having put his hand to the plough, an looking back, is fit for The Kingdom of GOD". Luke 9: 60,62

"Go your way, behold I send you forth as lambs among wolves". Luke 10:3
---Melody on 1/11/19


Melody: Why you aren't doing it the right way//

According to you or Jesus?

//Yes, and gentleness and respect is to share The True Gospel of Salvation...but you are doing the opposite//

Mediate on this:

God is God and you are NOT!

//charging $10 for 'requested masses for the public' and for you only $5//

LIE!

No charge, it's called STIPEND!

You have your nerve!

Your Pastors CHARGE for weddings, baptisms, and funerals.

If the family doesn't have the money the Pastor REFUSES to deliver the Holy Services. I seen it for myself.

I don't know how many times our Priests have to BURY your dead because YOUR PASTORS refuses to bury them WITHOUT a fee!

You talk about MERCY?
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/11/19


Nicole, right you are in what you said . . . yes, it's GOD'S LOVE and a decision under commitment unto HIM, to help others come to GOD, so then: Why you aren't doing it the right way and that by THE LORD and HIS TRUTH only, away from your sacrilegious beliefs?

Yes, and gentleness and respect is to share The True Gospel of Salvation - that's what THE LORD admonishes HIS People to do, but you are doing the opposite -don't you realize where you are spiritually speaking? - to share without any remorse and shame that 'the church' of which you constantly uplift, is charging $10 for 'requested masses for the public' and for you only $5? - what an abominable act that is before THE LORD - may under HIS MERCY your deliverance come!
---Melody on 1/9/19


Nicole:

And again: If you not only read, but meditate on GOD'S WORD: Then accept where you are - astray from GOD and for contradicting what from the very beginning THE LORD says in HIS WORD: 'Those who worship idols, cannot enter HIS KINGDOM". - but insane it is: You constantly talk about GOD - but a defender of a religion that have been doing from the very beginning what to THE LORD is abominable: The worshipping of idols - or are you going to negate that 'your religion' does that? - idols of all kinds, starting with 'Mary' - 'hails to her' - alms for the death, purgatory, who are going to believe that you are truly a committed Christian woman under that kind of worshipping? - admit it before THE LORD and repent!
---Melody on 1/8/19


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Melody: "just because you have decided to be a defender of a religion//

Decided?

I read and MEDITATED on the Scriptures.

I am sure you have forgotten what 1 Peter 3:15-17 states. So I will explain that it isn't a decision, but a LOVE for God to help others go to God.

1 Peter 3:15-17 But in your hearts sanctify Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to GIVE a DEFENSE to EVERYONE who ASKS you the REASON for the HOPE you POSSESS. But respond with GENTLENESS and RESPECT, (i have to work on these :D. We can work together)

keeping a clear conscience, so that those who slander you will be put to shame by your good behavior in Christ. For it is better, if it is Gods will, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/8/19


//There is a wide spread notion among some Protestants that Rome gets a cut of these stipends.//

Just as they believe Catholics are called 'roman catholic' as you.

People also think there are 52 States

You are not dumb or stupid. You KNOW that Rome is a city of Italy.

You also KNOW that Vatican City is a Country that runs the Catholic Church.

Plus, you KNOW that Vatican City ISN'T in Rome.

Just because many people around you are geographic ignorant doesn't mean you should spread that ignorance

BTW, stipend methods are mostly used for visiting Priests who are covering while the Priest is on vacation or sick.

Now, $10 is usually used for requested Masses from the public (ours are only $5)
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/28/18


\\Why would the city of Rome get cut of stipends from Priests in America?

Italy can't force Priests to give them ONE CENT.\\

There is a wide spread notion among some Protestants that Rome gets a cut of these stipends.

A mass stipend was originally how much it cost to support a priest for a day.

Now it's no more than a token offering. How many people here could live on only $10 a day--and a priest can celebrate only ONE mass for a stipend on many (not all) days.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/27/18


Cluny: Neither the diocese nor even Rome gets a cut of them.//

Why would the city of Rome get cut of stipends from Priests in America?

Italy can't force Priests to give them ONE CENT.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/27/18


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BTW, mass stipends and other stole fees (as they are sometimes called) are strictly for the support of the priest celebrating the sacrament.

Neither the diocese nor even Rome gets a cut of them.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/25/18


\\these 'religious' people use christ as a merchandise.\\

Prove your accusation, mike.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/25/18


Mike: even priests. they are ones who collect all the money//

WRONG.

Priests are assigned to Churches and are moved after a fixed set of years. They don't take the money collected.

Priests are given a stipend.

We have Financial Counsels.

Plus, I know many Protestant Churches PICK their Pastors and fire them ANY TIME they wish.

//your priest, or the people of the catholic church.. who does NOT want to show FINANCIAL statements where the money goes.//

You don't know what you are talking about!

The Congregations fills out the yearly financial statement themselves.

I don't know about your Church, but I SAW my Parish's financial statement report down to the LAST penny Literally!
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/23/18


nicole - who owns a church? the building not the body of christ? the pastor/televangelist/priest like robertson, copeland, joyce mayer, even priests. they are ones who collect all the money & use the word 'church' to enrich themselves. again, tell that to copeland, pat robertson, your priest, or the people of the catholic church who beg for money & make millions of $$ who does NOT want to show FINANCIAL statements where the money goes. they are the guilty once who steal away from YOUR 'voluntary' works. i work everyday & pay taxes. these 'religious' people use christ as a merchandise.
---mike on 12/20/18


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Mike, who said I was the only one volunteering for God?

Again, I was giving you an example the it is POSSIBLE for someone to work as stated in Matthew 25 without MONEY.

I can't prove anything on behalf of the Pastors because you would DISCOUNT those examples because I am not them.

What about the Sisters of Charity?

They work twice as hard as me and lived 3 times poorer than me.

I understand your complaint of Pastors living too well.

God sees YOURS services and THEIR services in His Name.

God will take care of them for being a poor steward.

They won't like His Judgement.

They can't make any excuses because they have read and PREACHED Matthew 24:48 and the like hundreds a time.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/11/18


Mike: nicole not bragging? then why did you accuse me of NOT being a christian//

AGAIN, I didn't say you were NOT a Christian!

YOU MADE THAT UP TO GET MAD AT ME.

I said:

//Mike, maybe you don't know how to be a Christian.-- Nicole on 12/05/18

I gave you an example but you were too UPSET to comprehension my words.

Again, people have said 'She doesn't know how to be a lady.'

They don't say that about a man.

Instead they say 'He doesn't know how to be man.'

One has to be a female before they CAN accuse her of not being a proper female.

Or when people say 'he isn't my President.'

Does that mean Trump ISN'T the President?
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/10/18


nicole - you are not the only one who did 'volunteer' work for christ. I did that too bec. pastors will quote 'put God first & he will bless you'. I helped clean, fix, helped for nothing. I saw the hypocrisy of pastors. you do volunteer work but pastors should be paid well, double salary when the preach the gospel.
---mike on 12/10/18


\\ I am saved bec. 'I did this or that'\\

That's not the teaching of the RCC, nor is anyone saved from purgatory because of a money payment.

While this was a popular notion in the Pre-Reformation West, it was repudiated and condemned by the Council of Trent.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/10/18


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nicole
not bragging? then why did you accuse me of NOT being a christian just bec. churches should be TAXED. christ said that 'give to cesar what's cesar'. that is the problem with catholics - salvation by works, incldg indulgence - I am saved bec. 'I did this or that' you're NOT. RCC also practice indulgence - remission of sins from purgatory in exchange for money.
---mike on 12/10/18


Cluny: clergy are taxed as being self-employed. Any housing allowance is likewise taxed.//

Not all Priests.

Only Diocesan Priests because they don't take a vow of poverty.

Religious Priest do not pay taxes.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/7/18


Mike: btw I'm not like you bragging about 'charity'//

Who's bragging?

You accused people of working for God for money.

So, I am telling you it's POSSIBLE for people to work for the Love of Jesus.

Obviously, you wouldn't believe me if I told you facts about those you attacked.

BTW, I don't perform charity for Jesus' rewards. Love from Jesus is enough.

For some reasons you seem to think no one can do a act of kindness without an inner motive.

Why are you so mad?

I am sorry if someone hurt you Mike.

I am serious.

Esp. if that someone hurt you working in Jesus' Name.

That is a deep pain.

But, if you tax the Church it will limit the support to the poor and sick.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/6/18


Property that a congregation owns that is not devoted to spiritual, educational, or charitable activities IS taxed.

Also, clergy are taxed as being self-employed. Any housing allowance is likewise taxed.

Furthermore, if the church provides a residence to the pastor, s/he must pay tax based on the fair market value of the rent.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/6/18


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btw I'm not like you bragging about 'charity'. mt 6:3 says don't let your left hand know what your right hand is doing'. that's what Paul said 'not by works so that NO ONE can BOAST.' I am not boasting my charities around so I people will say I am a christian. that's the problem with roman catholic church. salvation by works - 'I am saved bec. I DID THIS, I DID THAT!' ARROGANCE including purgatory & indulgance is not biblical -exploiting the poor. finally, mk 12:17 give to cesar what's cesar's - christ said that not me. why don't you read the bible before you accuse people 'you are not a christian' but the pope hates the bible bec. it exposes their lies. what an antichrist
---mike on 12/6/18


Mike: what's the question Nicole should churches be taxed?//

Are you asking me? You misread the question not me.

You were talking about persons, not the Church

//before you accuse 'you are not a christian' understand the question 1st.//

You need to read the question and my response AGAIN!

I SAID 'Mike, maybe you don't know how to be a Christian.'

NOT you were NOT a Christian!

Like when someone says 'You don't know how to be a wife.'

The woman is still a wife.

2. Again, you are ATTACKING Persons and NOT the Church as a whole.

The question is Churches TAXATION not Pastors!

//you direct that accusation to these false PROFITS//

And you need to mediated on Matt 7:1
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/6/18


nicole - I use to give to Chrildren christian fund pat robertson's flying hospital. what happened - by the time the needy receive the money all the administrative cost ate the 'donation'. these NON-profit does give 10% to the God bec. they keep the 90%. the story of Ananias & sapphira is an example of money being POCKETED by these greedy 'christian' non-profit organization. they don't care about the poor. if they do, they will give 90% & receive 10%.
---mike on 12/6/18


I am not a tax accountant or a tax attorney and my thoughts are my own, but this is what I understand.

Income taxes are paid on wages earned for services rendered. While our churches do provide services, no one pays wages to the church.

Income taxes are also paid on income earned through investment appreciation, whether that investment is capital or property. While our churches help our relationship with God grow, we are not earning anything that can be appreciated monetarily.

Also, no one pays taxes on gifts given to others at birthdays or holidays.

Therefore, no taxes should be paid by our churches.

However, any wage paid or service purchased by our church should be taxed.
---Mark_Eaton on 12/6/18


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what's the question Nicole should churches be taxed? YES! but televangelist love their money & title that is why these greedy televangelist like RObertson, falwell, franklin graham vote for GOP bec. of tax cuts & they call christianity NON-PROFIT but they earn millions. before you accuse 'you are not a christian' understand the question 1st. copeland brags he's a billionaire while children are starving. what happened to 'don't store treasures on earth?' the church should NOT stick their noses on politics bec. one will influence the other to carry out their agenda. you direct that accusation to these false PROFITS.
---mike on 12/5/18


Mike, maybe you don't know how to be a Christian.

When I was a Nun I WORKED from 5am to 9 pm daily (3 hours midday break twice a week only. Which you had to do your convent cleaning duties during those so called midday break times). One night a week working all night.

One day off a month, after your morning work. (BTW, that's not every 30 days).

2 weeks vacation a year.

We lived SOLELY on donations.

We cared for sick and dying cancer patients. That the Gov would have to care for them out of YOUR TAXES.

So, the Gov was HAPPY to give us a 501c3 exemption.

And if you think I did all that for donations you are crazy.

I did all that for JESUS CHRIST!

Matthew 25:35-40
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/5/18


I've heard pastors preach - DO NOT WORK for MONEY! work as if you are working for GOD! I even heard pastor Stanley say - 'be contented w/ $12.00/hr' bec. that's what GOD gave you. pat robertson even receive 'faith based initiative' -money from war criminal bush. HYPOCRITE!! Pastors love their money that they did not work for, christianity is a business, God is a merchandise for profit & these churches claim to be NON-profit but they make millions of $$$. somebody should expose these hypocrites like CHRIST DID!
---mike on 12/5/18


christ said 'give to cesar what is cesar's' but today's televangelist like robertson, graham, falwell don't pay taxes because they would vote for a candidate who will give tax breaks tax cuts - republican party & that is why they love church-state union. to these hypocrites JESUS IS NOTHING BUT A merchandise to make profit & keep more money. HYPOCRITES!!! televangelists love their money their CEO TITLES.
---mike on 12/5/18


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Why shouldn't they be?
---NurseRobert on 12/4/18


Why only Denominational Churches?

If 501c3 is taken away everyone will get upset.

It's for nonprofit.

Not just Churches.

Tell me which Denominational Churches you know is for profit?
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/4/18


No. But some of the crazy groups who call themselves churches. should be checked to see if they are a tax dodge.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/4/18


If you do, that should include the worldly denominational "church" of Steveng.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/4/18


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