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Christian MeToo Backlash

What do you think about the #MeToo backlash? How do you think it will affect christianity?

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Nicole_Lacey:

I wrote: Plus dropping the support for pre-existing conditions means that many sick people will be thrown off their insurance

You wrote: Do you know how many people WOULD drop their insurance UNTIL they get sick?

This has NOTHING to do with what I said. I'm talking about people who ALREADY HAVE insurance with one carrier, that covers some condition (e.g. cancer), but if they switch to another carrier, the new carrier refuses to cover that condition. This happens all the time when people switch jobs. It also happens when people lose their jobs, and have to apply for their own insurance, e.g. ObamaCare, or even if their employers switch insurance companies.
---StrongAxe on 12/12/18


StrongAxe: Plus dropping the support for pre-existing conditions means that many sick people will be thrown off their insurance//

Do you know how many people WOULD drop their insurance UNTIL they get sick?

Wait for a MI, CVA, car accidents for have a policy?

Why can't I buy car ins. UNTIL have a car accident?

Buy life or burial ins. until I have a notion I am close to death?

Buy home owner's ins. or flood ins. when a hurricane is close to my home?

Don't I have the right to a car, house, protect my family and a descent burial?

Where does it end?

That's the problem with Socialism/Communism.

The 1st righteous Community figured that out so why can't you?

Acts 6:1
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/12/18


Jerry there are Seventh day Adventist who are Democrats. They love GOD. There are other Christians who are Democrtats who love GOD. True communists don't. But they are members of the Communist party so they ae not Democrats.

Theodore Roosevelt was a progressive. He believed the rights of the individual should not be trampled on by the rich and powerful.

I agree the rich as James said will steal from the poor. I will follow the Bible as James tells us to.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/12/18


Amen, Jerry, Amen

StrongAxe: The only reason people would CHOOSE to drop their health insurance is because it is so expensive you have to choose between health insurance and other necessities like food and shelter.//

THANK YOU, THANK YOU!

WHO made health insurance EXPENSIVE?

OBAMA!

Remember, the CBO is speaking about insurance the Young were FORCE to get or pay a penalty.

Logically, if they ALREADY have insurance it means they were able to pay for it along with food and shelter.

You CAN'T DROP something you DON'T have in the first place.

WHY are they dropping it?

Because it was a BAD deal OBAMA made for them.

NOW, they don't have to pay a penalty for NOT having insurance.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/12/18


Nicole: "Because I love God is the ONLY reason I am CAPABLE of loving others."

You are indeed a wise Christian!

Too bad that our leftist friends don't realize that love to God requires obedience to his Commandments.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

All of the leftist, progressive, collectivist, socialist, Marxist, Communist ideologies are necessarily anti-Commandment in that they imply the coveting of other people's property. No wonder that Communists are anti-God.



---jerry6593 on 12/12/18




Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: The CBO said people like the young would CHOOSE to drop their health insurance.

The only reason people would CHOOSE to drop their health insurance is because it is so expensive you have to choose between health insurance and other necessities like food and shelter. Plus dropping the support for pre-existing conditions means that many sick people will be thrown off their insurance whether they like it or not.

The situations in 2015 and 2017 were different. In 2017, Congress wanted to repeal ObamaCare without providing a suitable replacement. Ripping away people's old health care without providing a new way for them to be insured is bad new for everyone, and McCain rightly saw this.
---StrongAxe on 12/12/18


Strongaxe: Trump approved a health plan that would throw 20 million people off health care, but campaigned that nobody would lose their health insurance.//

That is of people who WANTED health insurance.

The CBO said people like the young would CHOOSE to drop their health insurance.

It's no different than people choose NOT to have car insurance.

Except people KNOW they will get medical care if anything happens to them.

Young people think they're invincible.

//McCain signed on for Trump's "We will repeal Obamacare and replace it with something that was better for everyone" plan,//

Not true. McCain voted in 2015 to repeal Obamacare. Many times before.

BTW, with the other Republicans.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/11/18


Samuel: Nicole Strong ax is telling the truth.//

And I am NOT?

Please tell me where I being lying?

Don't get me wrong, I am not mad. I just find it funny that you can make a blanked statement and expect me to believe you.

I proved many times that StrongAxe was WRONG.

Please note, that being WRONG does NOT mean you are LYING.

But it seems you are suggesting I am LYING because you think I am WRONG.

I would like to discuss this with you respectably.

Which ones of StrongAxe's statement is his telling the truth?

That is the statements I have been against.

//Love GOD leads us to love others.//

AMEN!

Because I love God is the ONLY reason I am CAPABLE of loving others.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/11/18


2 teams in Alabama and Auburn. Alabama are Republicans. Auburn are Democrats.

I am an Independent. I don't care who wins as long as one wins

McClain BEGS Saban (Coach) to play with Alabama.

McClain on the field, score is tied. A teammate throws the ball to McCain for a touchdown for the National Championship.

McClain CAN'T decide at that MOMENT to feel SAD for the Auburn fans since they won 5 National Championships. And Alabama won 17 National Championships. But he runs the opposite side to GIVE Auburn the touchdown and another National Championship.

His teammates DIDN'T pass the ball to him for Auburn.

If they KNEW his intention they WOULDN'T give him the ball, nor WOULD Saban SIGNED him on team!
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/10/18


Nicole Strong ax is telling the truth.

Love GOD leads us to love others.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/10/18




Nicole_Lacey:

Trump approved a health plan that would throw 20 million people off health care, but campaigned that nobody would lose their health insurance. McCain signed on for Trump's "We will repeal Obamacare and replace it with something that was better for everyone" plan, but what he got was a bait-and-switch that was more expensive and served less people. He rightly wanted no part of that.

Trump campaigned for a wall that would cost us nothing, but instead Mexico would pay for it. What he is delivering is a wall that WE have to pay for ourselves, and he's blackmailing Congress to give it to him, or else he would shut down the government.

If you don't like bait and switch, look to your own party.
---StrongAxe on 12/10/18


StrongAxe: McCain's job was to represent all the people of Arizona, not all Republicans in the U.S.//

If McCain didn't want to vote LIKE other Republicans in the U.S. He shouldn't have campaign that he would.

No one told him he had to run on the Republican's ticket.

Sanders and Lieberman didn't LIE to their constituents.

In fact, Lieberman LOST the Democrat primary. So he ran as an Independent and WON.

//McCain thought Obamacare was bad for Arizona, and voted so.//

You mean he wanted Obamacare for Arizona.

Not even you believe that. McCain was too SORE about the 'Loser' comment from Trump and voted against ending Obamacare.

He RENEGED on his promise He made to Arizona for selfish reasons.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/9/18


Nicole the people of the United States are to be represented by all of our Senators and House Members.

McCain voted his conscious since repealing Obama Care with no replacement would hurt millions of people. Real people who have hopes and dreams who love GOD and their family. It would have taken away their very lives causing death.

So I am glad he voted to not help murder people just because they are poor.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/9/18


Oops. I meant McCain thought Obamacare REPEAL was bad for Arizona.
---StrongAxe on 12/9/18


Nicole_Lacey:

Voters vote for representatives specifically to represent interests of people in THEIR states and districts, not the of other voters in other states - those interests are represented by representatives in those other districts. McCain's job was to represent all the people of Arizona, not all Republicans in the U.S. McCain thought Obamacare was bad for Arizona, and voted so.

Senate confirmation was about whether or not Kavanaugh was suitable, not whether he was a good Republican. The courts are supposed to be above politics.

The Founding Fathers warned against politics devolving into "us vs. them" party systems where everyone votes along party lines, rather than for what is right.
---StrongAxe on 12/9/18


StrongAxe: John McCain voted along Republican lines most of the time,//

Most of the time ISN'T enough.

Esp. when his vote was needed the most when he voted against ending Obamacare AFTER he promised several times to stop Obamacare.

Note how Doug Jones voted with the Democrats against Kavanaugh.

//but unlike most of the Republicans currently in Congress, he chose not to drink the party kool-aid,//

That's crazy. That's like a football player deciding on his own to score for the opposite team

//and was actually willing to think on his own once in a while//

He ISN'T allowed to think on his own. He is a Representative. Do you know what that means?

Voting as his Constituents told him how to vote.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/8/18


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Nicole_Lacey:

John McCain voted along Republican lines most of the time, but unlike most of the Republicans currently in Congress, he chose not to drink the party kool-aid, and was actually willing to think on his own once in a while - and for thus daring to think for himself and considering the welfare of his own constituents (who ACTUALLY elected him) over the interests of his party, he is called a traitor.
---StrongAxe on 12/8/18


Samual, if you are in the middle you would be an Independent.

Independents float back and forth.

Anyway, I thought the word was only used for politicians. I might be wrong.

A RINO, pretends to be a Republican as to be elected, but has the mindset of a Democrats and votes like a Democrat. Like McCain.

Bennie Sanders votes like a Democrat, but at least doesn't fool the people into saying he is a Democrat.

Neither did Joe Lieberman, but unlike his friend McCain who was running in a Red State tricked the people into thinking he was a Republican in order to win his elections.

McCain couldn't win as a Independent so he did the next best thing as Jeff Flake.

That's why we call them RINOs
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/8/18


Haz27:

NC election committe delayed certifying the 9th district election due to massive voter fraud. Republican candidates paid workers to collect absentee ballots - illegal, even when innocent (i.e. collecting your grandma's ballot to mail it).

This WASN'T innocent. Workers went to elderly Democrat homes and convinced them to request absentee ballots. Knowing when these would arrive, they went back to collect them, filled them out Republican candidates, and turned them in. Many voters requested absentee ballots, didn't receive them, so went to vote in person, and were told they already voted. There were around 1300 such ballots, more than enough to swing the 900 vote win.

This has apparently been going on for several years.
---StrongAxe on 12/8/18


"G. H. W. Bush. He helped save the world." How so Samuel?
---Josef on 12/8/18


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AXE. I've said before, the political spectrum shifted so far left over past decades that what you describe as left of center is actually FAR LEFT by standards of several decades ago.

Former Communists like academic David Horowitz and Russian KGB defector Yuri Bezmanov warned of far Left's infiltration and dominance over megaphones of society to brainwash the naive. The 1958 book "The Naked Communist" (by FBI agent) exposing Marxists goals to takeover these megaphones of society confirm this.

You're good example of Marxist Left's success at using these institutions to brainwash the likes of you.

The far Left became even more extreme over recent years hence why we now see Conservatives fighting back.

---Haz27 on 12/7/18


True I became a RINO to many. I like being in the middle. A great and good man just died who I voted for.

G. H. W. Bush. He helped save the world. But many Republicans of the far right have hated him. Up until he died. Hypocrites.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/7/18


StrongAxe: My own position is slightly to the left of center (NOT the extreme left, like Haz27's black-and-white thinking would imply),//

Okay.

//Republicans have lately moved so far to the right, compared to 50 years ago,//

It seems that way because of the RINOs. They pushed us to pasted the center to the left.

RINO means Republican in name only.

So when a REAL Republicans returns us BACK to the original stances (still not there) it seems we did move far right.

//What I have said about the Catholic Church is based on their own words//

THANK YOU FOR NOT SAYING 'roman'!

Yes, that's what I was telling Cluny. When you are speaking about someone else you state so in your writings.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/7/18


Nicole_Lacey:

My own position is slightly to the left of center (NOT the extreme left, like Haz27's black-and-white thinking would imply), but Republicans have lately moved so far to the right, compared to 50 years ago, that in comparison, even moderates appear to them as extreme leftists.

What I have said about the Catholic Church is based on their own words - what their own writings have actually said, and what Catholic priests and nuns actually taught me when I was young.
---StrongAxe on 12/7/18


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Cluny, if StrongAxe isn't a leftists why doesn't it behave like one on CN?

He doesn't and states he is on the right.

He doesn't agree with the Republicans and voices that several times.

He voices the left's talking points.

BTW, he doesn't say what the left states or believes.

AKA, the left said such and such...

As he has done for the Catholic Church.

He speaks for himself.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/7/18


AXE. Your lies wont work. But hey...let me try your tactic on you.
You accuse EVERYONE on the Right of being with KKK, Nazis, refusing help to needy, etc.
Stop lying, AXE.

As for SAMUEL, he argued that proof of innocence is required, (instead of innocent until proven guilty).
This results in a Potiphar's wife injustice against men, which is what the white man hating Left push for.

A psychologist in Aust (Bettina Arndt) is being attacked by far Left because she started #MenToo to expose the Leftist lies against men.

She exposed Left's lies about supposed rape culture on campus, and she opposes the Marxist universities efforts to adopt the same unjust campus rape judicial system as in American unis.
---Haz27 on 12/7/18


StrongAxe, there WASN'T thousands of accusations. Making up stuff.

//What? Al Franken didn't contest the allegations.//

He did until a PICTURE came out. Then he down played it saying they POSED for the picture.

//He resigned without a fuss.//

Now for my 'WHAT'. He made excuses AFTER excuses.

I am sick and tried of Lefties CHANGING history and thinking all will believe

//But when conservatives are accused, they fight tooth and nail (e.g. Moore, Kavanaugh) and even when caught red handed, they say they have done nothing wrong.//

What red handed? No evidence because it NEVER HAPPENED.

They attacked Kavanaugh without evidence as they did Moore because it worked not because they were guilty.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/6/18


Haz, I know StrongAxe personally.

He is NOT a leftist.

Just not as reactionary as you are.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/6/18


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Haz27:

I point out SPECIFIC evils SPECIFIC people do. I don't automatically smear EVERYONE on the right with EVERYTHING EVERYONE else on the right does.

You do exactly this with the left. You accuse EVERYONE on the left of genocide.

YOUR accusation that Samuel would agree with Potiphar's wife is slander. The left does not demand all women be AUTOMATICALLY believed, only that their testimony be credibly considered, rather than automatically dismissed. Saying they are automatically wrong is just as bad as saying they are automatically right.

Communism and Nationalism are both bad. That doesn't make socialism, itself, bad. Poisoned juice will kill you, but that doesn't automatically make juice bad.
---StrongAxe on 12/6/18


AXE. This is especially rich coming from you, as you constantly accuse everyone on the Right with every kind of evil, based on the lies your Leftist masters told you.

As for my allegations against Leftists, they're based on facts. The Left are politics of totalitarianism, genocide (historically, and today also against the unborn), KKK, Nazism, Stalinism, deviancy, etc.

The false allegation from Potiphar's wife did, in fact, happen, and is relevant today considering the false allegations from Leftists and their #MeToo hypocrites who demand that accusatory women must be believed even though they have as much evidence as Potiphar's wife did.

BTW, Communism is INTERNATIONAL Socialism, whereas Nazism was NATIONAL Socialism.
---Haz27 on 12/6/18


Haz27:

This is especially rich coming from you, as you constantly accuse everyone on the left with every kind of evil.

You pull "Potiphar's Wife" out of nowhere. Far beyond "guilty until proven inncocent", you stoop to "guilty by imagination".

You accuse ALL socialists of things committed by COMMUMISTS, which is NOT TRUE.

AXE. As you always bear false witness (typical of Leftists)...

All you ever post is accusations and condemnations. Guess who The Accuser is?

I keep asking you to remove the beam from your eye before criticizing the speck in others' (as Jesus said), but such admonitions fall on deaf ears.
---StrongAxe on 12/6/18


I dont think the church is as polarizing as politics, so I doubt it will be as effective a tool to ruin reputations, as in the case of a Supreme Court justice.

To destroy a church official you must bring forth enough evidence to convince the parishioners of his guilt.If a church had Catholics on one side of the church and Protestants on the other side of the same church, then it might become a problem.
---David on 12/6/18


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SAMUEL. Why do you support evil and hate so often?

Typically the rule is innocent until proven guilty, but you suggest guilty until proven innocent (much like we saw from deceitful Leftists attacking Kavanaugh merely for their own political gain).

No doubt you would have sided with Potiphar's wife who falsely alleged sexual assault from Joseph.

You remain conveniently silent over atrocities whenever your evil Leftist puppet masters do so, and you virtue signal over any issue that deceitful Leftists (like the #MeToo hypocrites) feign offence over.

SAMUEL, stop letting your "itching ears" (2Tim 4:,3,4) for the Left's propaganda lies continue to lead you on the path to hate and evil.



---Haz27 on 12/5/18


I don't care if they are on the left or right. If accused the accused needs to prove himself innocent. Look at the Gymnastic molester. They were neither right or left.

I forget what Democrat when accused left his office. But he did. No one defended him. George H. W. Bush was accused. But many on both sides defended him and then it was proved to be a false allegation.

Christians are to walk in love. Not supporting evil.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/5/18


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: Tell me when that has happened.

There are thousands of accusations. 125 words makes it impossible to describe every single one in detail. Be reasonable. You are speaking in generalities, so I am also replying in generalities.

Sorry, I forgot. You will NOT be believed if you are accusing a Leftist.

What? Al Franken didn't contest the allegations. He resigned without a fuss. But when conservatives are accused, they fight tooth and nail (e.g. Moore, Kavanaugh) and even when caught red handed, they say they have done nothing wrong.
---StrongAxe on 12/5/18


StrongAxe: However, accusations should at least be considered, instead of automatically assuming victims are lying//

Tell me when that has happened.

Wait a minute.

I know it happens in Leftist's circle.

Like Roman Polanski, who Whoopi On the view defended him.

Read 'Whoopi on Roman Polanski: It Wasn't 'Rape-Rape' by Lindsay Robertson 2009.

Or Hillary blaming the women accusing Bill. Calling them names. Kept quiet on Harvey Weinstein sexual abuse.

James Carville "Drag a hundred-dollar bill through a trailer park, you never know what you'll find."

Sorry, I forgot. You will NOT be believed if you are accusing a Leftist.

Look at Keith Ellison.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/5/18


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Nicole_Lacey:

How do YOU know "most" accusations were false? This is the core of the "blame the victim" mind-set.

I should have said, if you behave according to your faith you will not have to worry.

Sadly, there are many hypocrites who don't practice what they preach. Weakness is human, and admitting your own weakness is Christian, but covering up your own weakness while condemning others for the same weakness is hypocrisy, and many do that.

There were many corroborated accusations against Kavanaugh (for perjury about his past), but in the FBI's rush to approve him, they refused to even hear them.
---StrongAxe on 12/5/18


StrongAxe: Many pastors resigned in disgrace after abusing their positions of power to sexually abuse women//

You are right.

But most women willing went after Pastors and Priests just because they were in those positions.

//and/or children, just as many priests for abusing children.//

Pastors and Priests. You are correct. But, I believe the SAME goes for them.

Those men became Pastors and Priests for the opportunity to abuse children much easier.

I should have said, if you behave according to your faith you will not have to worry.

But, I forgot about Kavanaugh. The man was a dictionary definition of a Christian man.

The MeToo Leaders Loons used it as a weapon against him.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/5/18


Cluny:

I know not all accusers are victims. However, accusations should at least be considered, instead of automatically assuming victims are lying. It's just as wrong as assuming all accusations are true.


Nicole_Lacey:

Many pastors resigned in disgrace after abusing their positions of power to sexually abuse women and/or children, just as many priests for abusing children. It especially makes headlines when "family values" Christian politicians do it - like married Oklahoma senator Ralph Shortey caught in a motel room with a teen male prostitute. Family values people caught violating those same values they preach are the kind of delicious hypocrisy that the media rightly loves to mock.
---StrongAxe on 12/4/18


\\In other cases, their congregations/constituents double down and shame and blame the victims.\\

Not all accusers are victims.

I think the word you're looking for is not "constituents" but "congregants."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/4/18


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Do mean backlash against MeToo, or against Christianity?

I think they have gone so ridiculous it's biting themselves.

Christianity doesn't have to worry.

How many Christian men do you know that it has affected?

I know none at the top of my head.

It's has mostly affected Secular men and now Secular women.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/4/18


Christians will be supporting women who were attacked. They will oppose those who wish to oppress and put down our mothers and sisters.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/4/18


"Me too" is when one woman comes forward with an accusation of sexual harrassment/assault against a celebity, then many others say "That happened to me too!" and also come forward. The more allegations that surface, the more likely others will come forward, hence the movement. The benefit is that many such abuses come to light. The down side is that many women with axes to grind can make up false allegations that are difficult to disprove, and it's hard to tell the difference.

There are many priests, pastors, rabbis, etc. (and also politicians) who are now being accused. In some cases, they are stepping down as a result. In other cases, their congregations/constituents double down and shame and blame the victims.
---StrongAxe on 12/4/18


I don't understand what you mean by "me too backlash".

Can you elaborate, please?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/4/18


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