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Where does it say in the bible that God the Creator of the universe Sanctified, Blessed, made the 1st day Holy?

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 ---mike on 12/6/18
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I prepare my food on friday to it's easy to have meals on sat. I just found out that shrimp is 45% cholesterol that is why I stopped eating shrimp. Did I say flip a switch on fridays? that's how the pharisees legalize anything on the sabbath & christ saw that & i've been there. not only did I experienee legalism like 'money is the root of evil it is a sin' or 'self is a SIN' or 'deciding for yourself is sin', they are NOT.' why is there a sunday law in Poland where you cannot buy & sell. if 1st day is 'freedom from the law', then why there's NO BUY & SELL?
---mike on 12/13/18


Cluny: "Then, jerry, just why do ancient churches that had NOTHING to do with Rome or the Popes have Sunday as their main worship day?"

I already told you that they were united with Rome until 1054. That's why.

Now, how about answering my question:

How does the definition of "orthodox" square with the deviation of the day of worship from that of Jesus and the Apostles?

Please answer!


---jerry6593 on 12/13/18


God gave us ALL animals for food.

Genesis 9:3
Romans 14:1-23
1 Timothy 4:1-5

As for some animals that were not to be eaten were directly spoken to Israel ("Speak to the people of Israel,.."):

Leviticus 7:23-24
Leviticus 11:1-47

As for working on the Sabbath:

Luke 14:5
---Steveng on 12/12/18


Then, jerry, just why do ancient churches that had NOTHING to do with Rome or the Popes have Sunday as their main worship day?

Please answer.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/12/18


Cluny: "Notice how neither jerry nor Samuel answer my question about how worshipping on Sunday is not a papal invention"

Two points: First, I did answer, but it wasn't posted. You yourself admitted that the Orthodox and Catholic were one until the great schism of 1054. While joined, they kept "the venerable day of the sun".

Second, The Catholic Church itself claims ownership of the sun day as its holy day, as:

"Sunday is founded, not on Scripture, but on tradition, and is distinctly a Catholic institution." - Catholic Record, Sept. 17, 1893

How does the definition "orthodox" square with the deviation of the day of worship from that of Jesus and the Apostles?

---jerry6593 on 12/12/18




Notice how neither jerry nor Samuel answer my question about how worshipping on Sunday is not a papal invention, as the SDA claims.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/11/18


mike:

Do you cook, flip light switches, work, travel, or shop on Friday night or Saturday? If you do, The Law REQUIRES that you be stoned to death. If you aren't, that means that you aren't under The Law, at least not the Sabbath Law.

Do you eat pork, bacon, shrimp, lobster, or catfish? If you do, The Law says those are an abomination. And playing football is touching the body of a dead pig - also an abomination, so if you pay or even watch football, you're contributing to an abomination.

If you choose to obey ANY of the Law, you are required to keep ALL of it. You don't get to cherry pick which parts you obey and which parts you don't have to.

Paul said some treat EVERY day equally holy, and you are not to judge.
---StrongAxe on 12/10/18


If you are confused about which day to keep, why not try keeping the day that Jesus and ALL His disciples kept - the Seventh-day Sabbath - Saturday. Of course, if you don't follow Jesus .....



---jerry6593 on 12/11/18


yes you are. you said that WE are NOT UNDER THE LAW. Paul is NOT talking about the 10 commandments. when you transgress the LAW of God, YOU ARE UNDER THE LAW OF SIN DEATH. the serpent told adam - YOU will be like GOD knowing good & evil. that is transgressing the Law of God. are they under the law of God when they did NOT EAT the fruit or obeyed God? NO. we are under the law ONLY when we transgress it. if you say that we are NOT under the law, that means christ abolish it. how can you define sin without the Law of God. Paul still talks about the commandments of God. it is NOT abolished
---mike on 12/10/18


strongaxe - you don't advocate sin but we don't need the 1-4 commandments especially the sabbath? what...we don't need the 4th commandment but observe the 1st day sunday. you are inconsistent. sunday is NOT God's HOLY day. He specifically said 7th day not 1st day sunday. we need the 10 commandment to define what sin is. christians cannot define what sin is. they just accuse you - that's sin. did I steal, false witness, covet neighbors good? God created & redeemed you & rested on the 7th day. honor him on the day not constantine
---mike on 12/10/18




how do you and the SDA explain how ancient pre=reformation Eastern churches that never had ANYTHING to do with the Pope or Roman Catholic Church all have SUNDAY as the principal worship day?
Cluny

Easy they were part of the catholic little c or universal church until the Great Schism. The Pope used to claim he did it. But it was different leaders and councils who did it. Sabbath to Sunday Samuele Bacciochi.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/10/18


mike:
Exactly! Paul was saying that it was BECAUSE OF THE LAW that we are condemned by sin. I have not advocated sin. I have nowhere said it is OK to blaspheme, murder, steal, etc.

However, if you love God, you don't NEED the 1-4th commandments to tell you not to blaspheme. If you love your neighbor, you don't NEED the 6-10th commandments to tell you not to murder, steal, kill, covet and lie, and you don't need the 5th to tell you to honor your parents (who are, after all, also your neighbors). The only one not specifically included is the 4th, and elsewhere, we are told that the sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath.
---StrongAxe on 12/10/18


strongaxe - Paul said 'it's ok to treat one day holy'
Rms 14 - what does it say? v 2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not, and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

where does it say HOLY? it says 'TO EAT OR NOT TO EAT all things or herbs'
again YOU'RE BUSTED twisting the scriptures
---mike on 12/10/18


strongaxe - the 10 commandments are nailed to the cross? then why did Paul say romans 6:23 - For the wages of SIN is death. - Sin is the transgression of the LAW. when people worship other gods, idols, & worship the creation no creator - breaking 1st, 2nd 3rd 4th commandments. adam wanted to be god that is why it resulted in spiritual DEATH. Paul says in Romans 6:12 -Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. - that is why we aren't under the law of SIN & DEATH but accepted grace. you are advocating sin.
---mike on 12/10/18


If you love God, keep his commandments. Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy will even be observed in the new earth.
---Steveng on 12/9/18


strongaxe - so where does it say in the bible that the 1st, 3rd day 6th day is HOLY? col 2:14 specifically says sabbath days not 1st day 2nd day 6th day. isaiah 58:13 - if you turn your foot from breaking the SABBATH (not 1st 4th) from doing your pleasure on MY HOLY day. you are cherry picking & preaching YOUR doctrine
---mike on 12/9/18


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ax: "jerry6593: You wrote: StrongAxe (a monumental misnomer) even seems to know of Monday (Second Day) observers.

Oh really?! When did I EVER say that?"


Short memory, eh? (Canadian) On 12/6/2018 you wrote:


"Some, especially Second Day Adventists, make a big deal about which specific day one should worhip [sic] on."

Your thesis that the Ten Commandments are not relevant is wholly contrived and lacks any scriptural authority whatsoever. Your denomination (if you have one) likely would disagree with you.


---jerry6593 on 12/9/18


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Like Christ on the cross, the Sabbath of God has been nailed between two thieves - Friday by the Muslims and Sunday by the Catholics.\\

Jerry, how do you and the SDA explain how ancient pre=reformation Eastern churches that never had ANYTHING to do with the Pope or Roman Catholic Church all have SUNDAY as the principal worship day?

I shall await your reply with interest.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/8/18


jerry6593:

You wrote: StrongAxe (a monumental misnomer) even seems to know of Monday (Second Day) observers.

Oh really?! When did I EVER say that? You seem to love making things up about people, and then accusing them of things that come purely from your own overly-accusatory imagination.
---StrongAxe on 12/8/18


jerry6593:

The Ten Commandments are part of the Law that was nailed to the Cross with Jesus. We are no longer under the Law. We no longer need the Ten Commandments, because we obey most of them already without needing to be told, if we just follow the Two Commandments Jesus said were the most important: Love God, and Love They Neighbor.

These two cover 9/10, except keeping the Sabbath holy. You Seventh Adventists speak about this one above all others, since your very name hangs on it.

I already addressed it in a previous message, but you seem to think that despite Paul being an authority about other things, he isn't in this matter.
---StrongAxe on 12/8/18


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mike: Best of luck trying to convince some of these guys that "it is better to obey God rather than men". They consider the Ten Commandments as optional or not applicable to their "enlightened" minds.

Like Christ on the cross, the Sabbath of God has been nailed between two thieves - Friday by the Muslims and Sunday by the Catholics. Both are man-made counterfeits. StrongAxe (a monumental misnomer) even seems to know of Monday (Second Day) observers.

Jesus established the Sabbath at Creation, certified it in the Exodus, kept it as a man, and will keep it eternally in heaven. Why people want to depart from such clear direction is unfathomable.


---jerry6593 on 12/8/18


mike:

Paul said it was OK to treat all days as equally holy, and that we should be persuaded in our own minds about that, rather thatn allowing others to decide the issue for us. Similarly, we are NOT to judge others on how and when they worship, and which days they consider holy.

Now back to the original question. What is your motivation in asking it? Why do YOU need to know?
---StrongAxe on 12/7/18


strongaxe - what is colossians 2:16? believers in colossae (turkey) observe the feasts of the LORD, the HOLY day of the Lord (7th day sabbath) not 1st day sunday. the pagans who practice ascetism ( denying & avoidance of indulgence) criticize the believers for celebrating the FEASTS of the LORD. the believers are forbidden to 'party'. that is why PAUL said 'let not these men criticize (judge) you believers who observe the LORD's day/feasts. it is not about judging the 1st day sunday is NOT HOLY day. constantine did not enact the 1st sunday law. GOD never sanctified, rested on 1st day in colossians 2:16
---mike on 12/7/18


did you read the question strongaxe? colossians 2:16, estemeth one day does NOT say anything GOD sanctifying, blessing, making 1st day Holy. it does not say that 1st day is GOD's HOLY DAY. God speaks not man.
---mike on 12/7/18


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Some, especially Second Day Adventists, make a big deal about which specific day one should worhip on. This is all choking on gnats:

Romans 14:5
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Colossians 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

(The whole chapter warns against being deceived by traditions of men, legalism, and vain piety)
---StrongAxe on 12/6/18


What does God create that is NOT holy, sanctified, and blessed?

And on what day of the week are we forbidden to worship?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/6/18


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