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Where does it say in the bible that God the Creator of the universe Sanctified, Blessed, made the 1st day Holy?

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Think about this:

1. Jesus rose from the dead on Sunday.
2. Pentecost took place on Sunday.

What does this suggest to you?

In any case, for me, every day is filled with opportunities to praise the Savior, intercede for issues laid upon my heart, and to rejoice in Him.

Too bad some of you don't do this more than once a week.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/21/18


hi samuel - pls watch 'why do the Biblical Feasts still matter?' by victorious messiah fellowship. pls do not follow me bec. i might lead you astray. just watch & keep an open mind you will see each representaion of the feast. good luck
---mike on 12/21/18


mike:

You keep putting words into my mouth that I never said. Why do you keep doing that?

I am not making any day holy. I didn't say Paul made any day holy. I said Paul said it's OK for us to esteem all days equally (because that's exactly what he said)

Judges 17:6 is a statement of what men DID. It is not a statement of what men CAN or SHOULD do. In contrast, what Paul said were specific instructions to believers on what to do. Jesus SPECIFICALLY chose Paul as an apostle to the gentiles, which gave him authority to teach. There is no reason for you to listen to me, but you SHOULD listen to Paul.

For the FIFTH TIME, why is this topic so important to you, and why do you keep avoiding this question?
---StrongAxe on 12/22/18


Hello Mike I am a Seventh day Adventist.

GOD in Genesis did bless, Sanctify the Seventh day. No place in the Bible does he do that for the first day of the week.

Let us all pray for our country.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/21/18


strongaxe - you said that 'every man be fully persuaded in his own mind' regarding worshipping 1st day or any other day bec. Paul made any day HOLY. JUDGE 17:6 - in those days there was no king in israel, but every man DID that which was right in his own eyes.
that's what you are saying. this verse clearly says that we can DO whatever is right in his own eyes. we can murder, commit adultery, steal & justify it is right according to his own descretion like the serpent - you can be persuaded to be god in his own eyes. not obeying the law of God not a creator & redeemer
---mike on 12/21/18




strongaxe - you said that 'every man be fully persuaded in his own mind' regarding worshipping 1st day or any other day bec. Paul made any day HOLY. JUDGE 17:6 - in those days there was no king in israel, but every man DID that which was right in his own eyes.
that's what you are saying. this verse clearly says that we can DO whatever is right in his own eyes. we can murder, commit adultery, steal & justify it is right according to his own descretion like the serpent - you can be persuaded in your own eyes/ mind to be god. not obeying the law of God our creator & redeemer
---mike on 12/21/18


mike:

I NEVER said "Paul changed the Sabbath". He never said other days WERE the Sabbath. He only said that it's OK to consider all days to equally holy.

I'm not God. I don't speak for God. YOU don't speak for God. Paul DID speak for God, since his words are scripture. Think on that.

I ask you for the fourth time - WHY is this issue so important to YOU? Why are you so insistent that others believe as you do about this? Why are you so insistent on judging others who believe otherwise, calling them liars?
---StrongAxe on 12/21/18


strongaxe - you said that 'every man be fully persuaded in his own mind' regarding worshipping 1st day or any other day bec. Paul made any day HOLY. JUDGE 17:6 - in those days there was no king in israel, but every man DID that which was right in his own eyes.
that's what you are saying. this verse clearly says that we can DO whatever is right in his own eyes. we can murder, commit adultery, steal & justify it is right according to his own descretion like the serpent - you can be persuaded to be god in his own eyes. not obeying the law of God not a creator & redeemer
---mike on 12/21/18


strongaxe: Adam disobeyed the commandments of God now we are all sinners under the law of penalty of sin & death. if you say that paul changed the sabbath & any sinner can make a day holy is a lie bec we are now convinced in our mind to make a day holy, are you God? like what the serpent said 'you will be like God knowing good & evil' - strongaxe is defining what is good & evil.
---mike on 12/21/18


strongaxe - nowhere in the bible says to worship creator on any other unholy day.GOD never SET ASIDE any day. you keep on using Romans 14v5 esteemeth one day over another read verse 6 - it talks about fasting. you are cherry picking one verse to promote your un holy SUN-day worship not reading the whole chapter. God is the ONE who set aside HOLY 7th sabbath God sanctified 7th day but you are defiant & insists that 1st day. that goes to show that you are disobeying God's commandments. what is it that you DO NOT understand GOD who commanded sabbath set aside for HOLY use not man's 1st day. you cannot give any verse that 1st day is HOLY only twisted romans 14v5 -
---mike on 12/20/18




ax: "How, exactly, did you "prove" ME wrong? Be specific."

You said:

"Nowhere in the Bible does it say the Sabbath is a day of WORSHIP."

I showed you:

Isa 66:23 ... from one SABBATH to another, shall all flesh come to WORSHIP before me

QED

If the logic escapes you, pick one:

A. A box of rocks.

B. A pound of wet leather.



And just what is with your contention that YOU have the authority to overrule God with your "esteeming" of another day of the week? Do you think that you are God? Romans 14:5 concerns feast day celebrations - not the weekly HOLY SABBATH DAY.



---jerry6593 on 12/21/18


jerry6593:

I showed you how Isaiah 66:23 referred to the distant future, and not how things worked in Judea during the Old Testament. How, exactly, did you "prove" ME wrong? Be specific.


mike:

We both agree that sabbath means rest, but that has nothing to do with WORSHIP. You ask how people can worship on day 1, when that day is reserved for WORK, not WORSHIP. Then you need to answer how people can worship on day 7, when that day is reserved for REST, not WORSHIP.

Nowhere are we forbidden to worship on any other day but Sabbath.

You keep ignoring Romans 14:5. I'm perfectly willing to let you esteem Saturday more than other days. Why are you unwilling to let me esteem all days alike?
---StrongAxe on 12/20/18


strongeaxe - wow is that how you defend yourself when the TRUTH is presented? quote a twisted colossians 2v 16 ye not judge me. ouch! the truth hurts & the 7th day sabbath is TRUTH, LIGHT, WAY, freedom. the TORAH are God's instructions. 1ST DAY lie, darkness commandments of MEN not God.
---mike on 12/20/18


weak hatchet: "I proved you wrong, not vice versa."

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. Good luck with that in the final judgement.



---jerry6593 on 12/20/18


strongaxe - what is the 7th da sabbath? REST NO WORK cease from WORk - God did that RESTED - God WORKED the 6 days before that.
you are twisting it again...the 1st 2nd 3rd day etc were Good is NOT HOLY - Genesis says 'God saw the THINGS HE CREATED not the day' the earth, sea, herbs, creatures, male female - THEY WERE GOOD not the day
gen 2:2 - 7th day ended - God blessed, sanctified & Is 58:13 - turn away your foot from the sabbath ON MY HOLY DAY. did God say 1st day 2nd 4rd holy?
---mike on 12/20/18


mike:

The creator created ALL SEVEN DAYS, so ALL of them point to The Creator.

Colossians 2:16 says not to judge "in respect of" a holy day, the new moon, or the sabbath days. NIV renders it as "with regard to". It isn't specifically about judging those who OBSERVE these things, but about judgments ABOUT those things at all.

Also, as Cluny asked, please show where the Bible calls certain specific days UNHOLY? Genesis 1 says God calld EACH day he created "good".

Since you didn't answer before, I will ask you again: WHY is this point SO IMPORTANT to YOU?


jerry6593:

I proved you wrong, not vice versa.
---StrongAxe on 12/20/18


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strongaxe - what DAY points to a CREATOR? 7th Day sabbath. read again colossians - it DOES not say judging YOU on other days - Paul says 'not to judge those WHO ARE observing the 7th day sabbath - colossians 2: 16 says not to judge in HOLY DAYS & SABBATH DAYS' not 1st day or 2nd day. paul is right YOU ARE a liar twisting colossians to justify worshipping unholy days
---mike on 12/20/18


ax: Once again I prove your statement wrong and you resort to irrelevant blather. Will you ever grow up?


cluny: Why this insistence that some days are meant to be sinful? Is that your desire? In all the Bible, only one weekday, Sabbath, was made holy by God. The Catholic Sunday is no more holy than is the Muslim Friday.

The Ten Commandments and the Sabbath Commandment contained therein IS standard teaching of Jesus and the Apostles. It IS Orthodoxy in verity. It is the SIGN of the one, true Creator God to whom we owe our allegiance. To whom do you show allegiance by keeping Sunday?


---jerry6593 on 12/20/18


"Jesus kept the Sabbath holy, why don't you?"
Galatians 4:4-5 But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law,so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.

The Jerusalem council Acts 15did not impose anything that was strictly Jewish onto Gentile believers and the Sabbath was but one of them - something that only the Jews observed.
---riolion on 12/20/18


jerry, since Christ has come, can you tell me which day of the week we are to keep in an UNholy, profane, and sinful way?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/19/18


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jerry6593:

Isaiah 66:23 is a prophecy of the distant future. It does not say what the Sabbath was during the time of Moses, or even during the time of Isaiah. Look at that verse in context. (v. 19-24) instead of cherry-picking one verse:
20: people will bring offerings from all nations to God in Jerusalem. That has never happened yet.
22: after creation of the new heaven and new earth. That has never happened yet.

It also does not say "ON one new moon and another, and ON one Sabbath to another". It says "FROM". "From one new moon to another" means during the ENTIRE month. "From one Sabbath to another" means during the ENTIRE week. People will worship God CONTINUALLY.
---StrongAxe on 12/19/18


ax: "Nowhere in the Bible does it say the Sabbath is a day of WORSHIP."

Again you show your ignorance of the Bible.

Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one SABBATH to another, shall all flesh come to WORSHIP before me, saith the LORD.

Jesus kept the Sabbath holy, why don't you?



---jerry6593 on 12/19/18


I am a Christian a member of the Seventh day Adventist church. I have been called a child of Satan and that I work in a cult for the devil.

So many attack me for being a Seventh day Adventist.

But sadly some SDA make the same mistake. We are to attack no one. We are to be loving and kind to all.

1John 4:7

Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God, and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/18/18


mike:

Rev 14:7 says "worship him". It doesn't say "worship him on the Sabbath", and certainly "worship him on the Sabbath ONLY". Nowhere in the Bible does it say the Sabbath is a day of WORSHIP. It is frequently mentioned as a day of no work, but that is all.

Nowhere does the Bible say we MUST NOT worship on other days but the Sabbath, either. Why are you so HUNG UP on this issue? Why do you judge others who worship on other days, in defiance of Colossians 2:16?
---StrongAxe on 12/19/18


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ax: "Orthodoxy is adherence to standard teachings."

The Ten Commandments and the Sabbath Commandment contained therein IS standard teaching of Jesus and the Apostles. It IS Orthodoxy in verity. It is the SIGN of the one, true Creator God to whom we owe our allegiance. To whom do you show allegiance by keeping Sunday?


"Neither Jesus nor the Apostles said we should worship on Sabbath ONLY."

Neither did I. I worship God every day, but the Sabbath day is special. God has a special blessing in it. You should try it.



---jerry6593 on 12/19/18


strongaxe - Rev. 14:7 - Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, give glory to him, for the hour of his judgment is come: WORSHIP HIM that made heaven, earth, the sea, the fountains of waters. 7th day sabbath acknowledges HE IS OUR CREATOR. ex 20:8-11 6 days LORD made heaven & earth - see the similarity

1st day is NOT worship.
throughout the bible 1st day is regarded as WORK. not one verse in the bible says to worship the RESURECTOR on the 1st day sunday. how can 'believers' worship on sunday when the bible says 1st day to 6th day = WORK
---mike on 12/18/18


Mike:

Sabbath is about REST, not WORSHIP.

When you judge others for not worshiping on Sabath, YOU violate Co 2:16. Show where we are FOBDIDDEN to worship on other days.

Paul wrote Colossians to the church in Colossae, not unbelievers.

People in most churches don't judge SDA, saying they're wrong to worhip on Sabbath, but SDA often judge others, saying they're wrong to worship on Sunday.


jerry6593:

Orthodoxy is adherence to standard teachings. Neither Jesus nor the Apostles said we should worship on Sabbath ONLY. That's not part of their teachings, hence IRRELEVANT to orthodoxy. They never said we should use computers and internet either - if that makes them unorthodox, why do you use them?
---StrongAxe on 12/18/18


strongaxe - why don't you read what you just wrote? col. 2:16 - it says HOLY Day & SABBATH day (it DID NOT say 1st day Sunday bec. it is NOT HOLY) paganism in Colossae practice asceticism, in short pagans are judging the 7th day believers who celebrate the feast to NOT PARTY. nobody is telling you are a cult for observing 1st day-it is the other way around-sunday worshippers judge sabbath observers as CULT LEGALISTIC - that's judging. again one day esteemeth over another is about FASTING - it says in Romans 14:6
---mike on 12/17/18


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i just realized that NOT only the 7th day sabbath points to a CREATOR, a Redeemer who rested on the 7th day after HIS work but also 7th day is where God's plan of Salvation for man is manifested :there are 7 feasts of the Lord: Passover, unleavened bread, 1st fruits, feasts of weeks, trumpets, atonement & tabernacles. without the 7th day sabbath: no plan for man, no salvation. easter, lent, christmas are pagan tradition given christian names.
---mike on 12/17/18


Little Weak Hatchet: More irrelevant blather. Is that the best you can do. God says REMEMBER and you reply FORGET IT. Pathetic!

When are you and Cluny going to answer my question?


---jerry6593 on 12/17/18


jerry6593:

I have repeatedly quoted two scriptures from Paul:
1) Some consider some days holier than others, while others consider all days equally holy. LET EACH BE PERSUADED IN HIS OWN MIND
2) We are commanded to NOT JUDGE ONE ANOTHER with respect to observation of dietary laws, sabbaths, holy days, etc.

I see no need to answer your question any further, because it is no longer relevant - it doesn't MATTER which day we worship on, and you have no BUSINESS judging anyone else on this subject. Unless you want to consider Paul to be a heretic and not to be followed, in which case, that is a subject for another discussion.
---StrongAxe on 12/17/18


jerry6593 - right on jerry. I heard the same argument too - like Acts 20:7, etc
---mike on 12/17/18


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Notice how neither cluny nor ax have answered my question about how not following the example of Jesus and the Apostles in keeping the Seventh-day Sabbath can be considered "orthodox".

Notice also the obfuscation and misinterpretation of Scripture to avoid the clear pronouncement of God, Himself to "remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy". From Genesis to Revelation God is declared worthy of worship by virtue of His Creatorship, and the "sign" of His authority in this regard is the Seventh-day Sabbath.

All of the specious arguments for sparks and nailing the stone tablets to the cross are futile attempts to usurp the authority of God by instituting a counterfeit rest day.


---jerry6593 on 12/17/18


strongaxe - worship the CREATOR on SUNDAY? where does it say in BIBLE that God RESTED on the 1st day after HIS WORK OF CREATION? 1st day IS WORK day - constantine enacted a sunday law to rest on 'VENERABLE day of the SUN' why do christian observe SUNRISE service on EASTER in honor of the RESURRECTIOn? if you say that christians worship the CREATOR on SUNDAY, why do christians justify worshipping SUNDAY in HONOR OF the RESURRECTION not creation? finally, PAUL never say WE sinners can make a day HOLY we are NOT GOD - the serpent said that in the garden. Romans 14:5-6 talks about FASTING (TO EAT OR NOT TO EAT.) not only you are a liar but twisting the scriptures.
---mike on 12/17/18


Samuel, two questions.

1. On which day of the week are we FORBIDDEN to worship God?

2. Should worship be only one day a week, and if so, why?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/16/18


Christians who worship on Sunday are worshiping GOD. They are just mistaken about the day. All humans make mistakes. No one is going to hell for making this mistake. Unless they know that they are and say to GOD. I don't care what the Bible says. I am just going to do my own thing and not follow GOD.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/16/18


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mike:

You wrote: Paul even said in Romans 1'25 to worship the CREATOR rather than the CREATure.

Yes, and people who worship God on Sunday worship GOD, not the SUN.

Why are YOU so judgmental and legalistic about observing the 7th day as holier than others, when Paul said (as I quoted) that some consider all days EQUALLY holy, and that everyone should be persuaded IN HIS OWN MIND? He also said that we are NOT to judge others over sabbaths, so why do YOU persist in doing so?
---StrongAxe on 12/16/18


mike, if people who worship in Sunday are worshipping the sun, then if you worship on Saturday, you are worshipping the planet Saturn.

Be consistent.

I might point out that in Orthodoxy, ideally there are daily services.

Can you give BCV that St. Paul NEVER worshipped on another day of the week?

I shall await with interest.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/16/18


cluny - in the book of acts Paul worshipped on the 7th day he preached the gospel & the people wanted to hear the gospel on the next sabbath. Paul observed the 7th day sabbath in Acts 17'1 Acts 13'13. Paul even said in Romans 1'25 to worship the CREATOR rather than the CREATure. so what about you did God ever rested, sanctified, made the 1st day holy? your typical answers are Acts 20'7 1 corth 16'2. did somebody called you cult or legalistic for observing the 1st day? 7th day observers are called 'cult' & legalistic' which is called JUDGING the observers of 7th day holy day, that's what PAUL is saying col 2'16 not 1st day
---mike on 12/15/18


strongaxe - determine circumstances of worship & object of worship.
when God RESTed on the 7th day sabbath he rested from His work of Creation - that makes him a Creator & when christ finished His work of redemption, He also RESTED on the 7th day sabbath. so what is 7th day sabbath points to in relation to REST? A CREATOR & REDEEMER. what about Sunday 1st day? did GOD rested? Luke 23:56- says that after the people rested on the 7th day, they worked on the 1st day continue the embalming of christ but he was not in the tomb - that is work. nowhere in the bible says worship the 'resurrector'
---mike on 12/15/18


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\\believers who worship on 1st day are worshipping the sun.\\

WRONG AGAIN, as in much of what y ou say.

I know nobody who worships the sun. I know that I don't.

Synagogues, especially conservative and traditional ones have twice daily services all week long.

So give your evidence that St. Paul never worshipped on Sunday.

While you're at it, go to Ralph Woodrow's article that asks if Sunday worship came from paganism.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/15/18


strongaxe - Christ himself said 'I did NOT come to ABOLISH THE LAW but to fulfill or to PLEROO to CARRY INTO EFFECT until heaven & earth pass. so has heaven & earth pass? NO. so the LAW of God is in effect not abolished.
---mike on 12/15/18


mike:

You have to be able to distinguish the circumstances of worship and the objects of worship.

If you believe that people who worship on the 1st day are worshiping the sun, do you also believe that people who worship on the 7th day are worshiping rest? Do people who worship in church buildings worship those buildings? Do people who pray at home pray to their homes? When Israelites sacrificed burned rams to God, were they worshiping those burned rams?

I'm curious what your own religious tradition is, that you hold such strong views on which day we should worship. The only people I have seen on these blogs so far who do so are Seventh Day Adventists.
---StrongAxe on 12/14/18


cluny I did not deflect - believers who worship on 1st day are worshipping the sun. what about you you did not answer if God ever rested, sanctified the 1st day? Paul never worshipped on the 1st day.
---mike on 12/14/18


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I see that again you deflected, mike, and did not tell me if you personally knew any sun worshippers.

Are you so ignorant or brainwashed that you actually think that worshipping on Sunday means worshipping the sun?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/14/18


mike:

Genesis 1:
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: ...
5 ... And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Beyond that, why does it matter when WE worship? The scriptures I gave say it doesn't matter.

Day names vary from language to language. In Hebrew, numbers 1-7. In Romance languages like French and Spanish, mostly Roman gods: 1=Lord, 2=Moon, 3=Mars, 4=Mercury, 5=Venus, 6=Juno, 7=Sabbath. In English and other Germanic languages, mostly Norse gods 1=Sun, 2=Moon, 3=Tyr, 4=Odin, 5=Thor, 6=Friya, 7=Saturn.

If you think it's blasphemous to worship on Sunday because WE name it after the Sun, then it's also blasphemous to worship on Saturday, because WE name it after Saturn.
---StrongAxe on 12/14/18


cluny - then why did constantine call 1st day -on the venerable day of the SUN - venerable means deserving to be venerated. you keep on 'glorify to jesus christ' yet you cannot answer one simple question Did God ever rested, sanctify 1st day, made it holy. don't give the 1cor16:2 Act 20:7 bec those verses NEVER said anything about God sanctifying the 1st day. if Paul did then he is lying bec. Paul wrote rm 1:25 - changed truth into lie worship the CREATION/CREATURE than the Creator & EZE 8:16 - worshipping the sun is abomination in the eyes of God.
---mike on 12/14/18


I don't know anyone who worships the sun.

Do you, mike?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/14/18


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is the fire created intended for more work? surely the early believers lit a fire to light & warm their homes on a sabbath. common sense. if they were gathering the wood, then that is work or lighting a fire to do MORE work then that is against God's commandments. I see what you are doing, you're looking to 'legalize' something. btw, if Paul said to make any day holy, then he is lying - Rms 1:25 & committed abomination Eze 8:16 - 25 men worshipping the sun is abomination to God.
---mike on 12/14/18


mike:

The Law forbids starting a fire on the Sabbath. Fires are made of plasma. Electrical switches causes sparks (i.e. plasma) when they open and close, so flipping electrical switches on and off technically violates this. So do internal combustion engines, so driving violates this as well as the prohibition against travel. Prohibitions against travel and fires are in the Bible, not just Pharisaical nit-picking.

jerry6593:

Yes, the Catholic and Orthodox churches split in 1054, but there were other churches (e.g. in Asia) that were never affiliated with either, yet still worship on Sunday. How do you explain that? Show were Jesus or the Apostles commanded worship on the Sabbath.
---StrongAxe on 12/14/18


I prepare my food on friday to it's easy to have meals on sat. I just found out that shrimp is 45% cholesterol that is why I stopped eating shrimp. Did I say flip a switch on fridays? that's how the pharisees legalize anything on the sabbath & christ saw that & i've been there. not only did I experienee legalism like 'money is the root of evil it is a sin' or 'self is a SIN' or 'deciding for yourself is sin', they are NOT.' why is there a sunday law in Poland where you cannot buy & sell. if 1st day is 'freedom from the law', then why there's NO BUY & SELL?
---mike on 12/13/18


Cluny: "Then, jerry, just why do ancient churches that had NOTHING to do with Rome or the Popes have Sunday as their main worship day?"

I already told you that they were united with Rome until 1054. That's why.

Now, how about answering my question:

How does the definition of "orthodox" square with the deviation of the day of worship from that of Jesus and the Apostles?

Please answer!


---jerry6593 on 12/13/18


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God gave us ALL animals for food.

Genesis 9:3
Romans 14:1-23
1 Timothy 4:1-5

As for some animals that were not to be eaten were directly spoken to Israel ("Speak to the people of Israel,.."):

Leviticus 7:23-24
Leviticus 11:1-47

As for working on the Sabbath:

Luke 14:5
---Steveng on 12/12/18


Then, jerry, just why do ancient churches that had NOTHING to do with Rome or the Popes have Sunday as their main worship day?

Please answer.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/12/18


Cluny: "Notice how neither jerry nor Samuel answer my question about how worshipping on Sunday is not a papal invention"

Two points: First, I did answer, but it wasn't posted. You yourself admitted that the Orthodox and Catholic were one until the great schism of 1054. While joined, they kept "the venerable day of the sun".

Second, The Catholic Church itself claims ownership of the sun day as its holy day, as:

"Sunday is founded, not on Scripture, but on tradition, and is distinctly a Catholic institution." - Catholic Record, Sept. 17, 1893

How does the definition "orthodox" square with the deviation of the day of worship from that of Jesus and the Apostles?

---jerry6593 on 12/12/18


Notice how neither jerry nor Samuel answer my question about how worshipping on Sunday is not a papal invention, as the SDA claims.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/11/18


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mike:

Do you cook, flip light switches, work, travel, or shop on Friday night or Saturday? If you do, The Law REQUIRES that you be stoned to death. If you aren't, that means that you aren't under The Law, at least not the Sabbath Law.

Do you eat pork, bacon, shrimp, lobster, or catfish? If you do, The Law says those are an abomination. And playing football is touching the body of a dead pig - also an abomination, so if you pay or even watch football, you're contributing to an abomination.

If you choose to obey ANY of the Law, you are required to keep ALL of it. You don't get to cherry pick which parts you obey and which parts you don't have to.

Paul said some treat EVERY day equally holy, and you are not to judge.
---StrongAxe on 12/10/18


If you are confused about which day to keep, why not try keeping the day that Jesus and ALL His disciples kept - the Seventh-day Sabbath - Saturday. Of course, if you don't follow Jesus .....



---jerry6593 on 12/11/18


yes you are. you said that WE are NOT UNDER THE LAW. Paul is NOT talking about the 10 commandments. when you transgress the LAW of God, YOU ARE UNDER THE LAW OF SIN DEATH. the serpent told adam - YOU will be like GOD knowing good & evil. that is transgressing the Law of God. are they under the law of God when they did NOT EAT the fruit or obeyed God? NO. we are under the law ONLY when we transgress it. if you say that we are NOT under the law, that means christ abolish it. how can you define sin without the Law of God. Paul still talks about the commandments of God. it is NOT abolished
---mike on 12/10/18


strongaxe - you don't advocate sin but we don't need the 1-4 commandments especially the sabbath? what...we don't need the 4th commandment but observe the 1st day sunday. you are inconsistent. sunday is NOT God's HOLY day. He specifically said 7th day not 1st day sunday. we need the 10 commandment to define what sin is. christians cannot define what sin is. they just accuse you - that's sin. did I steal, false witness, covet neighbors good? God created & redeemed you & rested on the 7th day. honor him on the day not constantine
---mike on 12/10/18


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how do you and the SDA explain how ancient pre=reformation Eastern churches that never had ANYTHING to do with the Pope or Roman Catholic Church all have SUNDAY as the principal worship day?
Cluny

Easy they were part of the catholic little c or universal church until the Great Schism. The Pope used to claim he did it. But it was different leaders and councils who did it. Sabbath to Sunday Samuele Bacciochi.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/10/18


mike:
Exactly! Paul was saying that it was BECAUSE OF THE LAW that we are condemned by sin. I have not advocated sin. I have nowhere said it is OK to blaspheme, murder, steal, etc.

However, if you love God, you don't NEED the 1-4th commandments to tell you not to blaspheme. If you love your neighbor, you don't NEED the 6-10th commandments to tell you not to murder, steal, kill, covet and lie, and you don't need the 5th to tell you to honor your parents (who are, after all, also your neighbors). The only one not specifically included is the 4th, and elsewhere, we are told that the sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath.
---StrongAxe on 12/10/18


strongaxe - Paul said 'it's ok to treat one day holy'
Rms 14 - what does it say? v 2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not, and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

where does it say HOLY? it says 'TO EAT OR NOT TO EAT all things or herbs'
again YOU'RE BUSTED twisting the scriptures
---mike on 12/10/18


strongaxe - the 10 commandments are nailed to the cross? then why did Paul say romans 6:23 - For the wages of SIN is death. - Sin is the transgression of the LAW. when people worship other gods, idols, & worship the creation no creator - breaking 1st, 2nd 3rd 4th commandments. adam wanted to be god that is why it resulted in spiritual DEATH. Paul says in Romans 6:12 -Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. - that is why we aren't under the law of SIN & DEATH but accepted grace. you are advocating sin.
---mike on 12/10/18


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If you love God, keep his commandments. Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy will even be observed in the new earth.
---Steveng on 12/9/18


strongaxe - so where does it say in the bible that the 1st, 3rd day 6th day is HOLY? col 2:14 specifically says sabbath days not 1st day 2nd day 6th day. isaiah 58:13 - if you turn your foot from breaking the SABBATH (not 1st 4th) from doing your pleasure on MY HOLY day. you are cherry picking & preaching YOUR doctrine
---mike on 12/9/18


ax: "jerry6593: You wrote: StrongAxe (a monumental misnomer) even seems to know of Monday (Second Day) observers.

Oh really?! When did I EVER say that?"


Short memory, eh? (Canadian) On 12/6/2018 you wrote:


"Some, especially Second Day Adventists, make a big deal about which specific day one should worhip [sic] on."

Your thesis that the Ten Commandments are not relevant is wholly contrived and lacks any scriptural authority whatsoever. Your denomination (if you have one) likely would disagree with you.


---jerry6593 on 12/9/18


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Like Christ on the cross, the Sabbath of God has been nailed between two thieves - Friday by the Muslims and Sunday by the Catholics.\\

Jerry, how do you and the SDA explain how ancient pre=reformation Eastern churches that never had ANYTHING to do with the Pope or Roman Catholic Church all have SUNDAY as the principal worship day?

I shall await your reply with interest.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/8/18


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jerry6593:

You wrote: StrongAxe (a monumental misnomer) even seems to know of Monday (Second Day) observers.

Oh really?! When did I EVER say that? You seem to love making things up about people, and then accusing them of things that come purely from your own overly-accusatory imagination.
---StrongAxe on 12/8/18


jerry6593:

The Ten Commandments are part of the Law that was nailed to the Cross with Jesus. We are no longer under the Law. We no longer need the Ten Commandments, because we obey most of them already without needing to be told, if we just follow the Two Commandments Jesus said were the most important: Love God, and Love They Neighbor.

These two cover 9/10, except keeping the Sabbath holy. You Seventh Adventists speak about this one above all others, since your very name hangs on it.

I already addressed it in a previous message, but you seem to think that despite Paul being an authority about other things, he isn't in this matter.
---StrongAxe on 12/8/18


mike: Best of luck trying to convince some of these guys that "it is better to obey God rather than men". They consider the Ten Commandments as optional or not applicable to their "enlightened" minds.

Like Christ on the cross, the Sabbath of God has been nailed between two thieves - Friday by the Muslims and Sunday by the Catholics. Both are man-made counterfeits. StrongAxe (a monumental misnomer) even seems to know of Monday (Second Day) observers.

Jesus established the Sabbath at Creation, certified it in the Exodus, kept it as a man, and will keep it eternally in heaven. Why people want to depart from such clear direction is unfathomable.


---jerry6593 on 12/8/18


mike:

Paul said it was OK to treat all days as equally holy, and that we should be persuaded in our own minds about that, rather thatn allowing others to decide the issue for us. Similarly, we are NOT to judge others on how and when they worship, and which days they consider holy.

Now back to the original question. What is your motivation in asking it? Why do YOU need to know?
---StrongAxe on 12/7/18


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strongaxe - what is colossians 2:16? believers in colossae (turkey) observe the feasts of the LORD, the HOLY day of the Lord (7th day sabbath) not 1st day sunday. the pagans who practice ascetism ( denying & avoidance of indulgence) criticize the believers for celebrating the FEASTS of the LORD. the believers are forbidden to 'party'. that is why PAUL said 'let not these men criticize (judge) you believers who observe the LORD's day/feasts. it is not about judging the 1st day sunday is NOT HOLY day. constantine did not enact the 1st sunday law. GOD never sanctified, rested on 1st day in colossians 2:16
---mike on 12/7/18


did you read the question strongaxe? colossians 2:16, estemeth one day does NOT say anything GOD sanctifying, blessing, making 1st day Holy. it does not say that 1st day is GOD's HOLY DAY. God speaks not man.
---mike on 12/7/18


Some, especially Second Day Adventists, make a big deal about which specific day one should worhip on. This is all choking on gnats:

Romans 14:5
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Colossians 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

(The whole chapter warns against being deceived by traditions of men, legalism, and vain piety)
---StrongAxe on 12/6/18


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