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Is The First Day Holy

Where does it say in the bible that God the Creator of the universe Sanctified, Blessed, made the 1st day Holy?

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cluny - ps 95:6 - says worship the Creator bow down - 7th day sabbath is associated with the CREATOR not the resurrector.

driving to church for worship IS NOT WORK. if you drive to do MORE WORK then that is violation. you are like the pharisee looking for something to accuse.
again - you can't answer if 1st day is SANCTIFIED or 'set aside for holy use.
---MIKE on 1/2/19


Cluny we only keep the Sabbath listed in the Ten Commandments. The others were pointing to the first coming and second coming of Jesus. The Sabbath is a memorial of Creation. Read Exodus 20.

True it does not mention worship in the Text but Jesus worshiped on the Sabbath. Also GOD said to meet on that day also.

Leviticus 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation, ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/2/19


Jerry, what exactly does "keep the Sabbath holy" in Exodus 20?

The text itself said NOTHING about worship, but rest from labor that extended to one's slaves, servants, children, and even farm animals.

Do you drive your car to your SDA Church on Saturday? If so, you are violating the Sabbath.

While we're discussing this, does the SDA keep ALL of the Sabbaths in the OT, or does it pick and choose which of God's sabbaths it will observe?

Glory to Jesus Christ!!
---Cluny on 1/2/19


nicole - christ IS the Lord of the 7th day sabbath & HE NEVER changed the 7th day sabbath to 1st day. that's why it's called 'LORD's Day' - Is 58:13, not the one CC define as 1st day in Revelation - day of wrath & return of Christ

you keep on insisting that 1st day is redeemed us. resurrection depicts Baptism Romans 6:4 -5 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death. For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall be also in the likeness of His resurrection," even in Romans Paul NEVER sanctified 1st day that you cannot answer.
---mike on 1/2/19


Mike, I answered saying Jesus ROSE on Sunday that REDEEMS us.

//I Cor 15:14-20//

Back up to V 14 V14 And if Christ has not been raised, then our PREACHING is in VAIN and your FAITH is in VAIN.

//you are obeying man //

God Man who is Jesus Christ.

//GOD SAID 'sabbath is MY HOLY DAY' mark 2:28 -the son of man is the LORD of SABBATH not 1st day,//

I know you didn't mean to have people think Jesus said the last part of your statement. It STOPS at 'Lord of the Sabbath.'

Read the verses BEFORE 28.

If Jesus is LORD of the Sabbath are you suggesting Jesus CAN'T change the Sabbath?

Remember He is LORD of the Sabbath which means the Sabbath OBEYS Him not He is subject to the Sabbath.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/2/19




nicole - God is the authority NOT the pope not the CC. sanctified means to set apart or declare holy - 1st day sunday to 6th day IS NOT set apart. GOD NEVER set 1st day - 6th day apart or made it HOLY. you & axe are liar saying that the day is HOLY or GOOD. what God CREATED the light, land sea, animals & us humans ARE GOOD. You are really a liar.
---mike on 1/2/19


nicole - since you cannot answer the simple question '1st day is NOT sanctified' so does cor 15:14-20 says anything about sanctification? making 1st day HOLY? NOT. it talks about christ being the 1st fruits not 1st day sanctified or holy or blessed.
everyday belongs to God accdg to CC. that what the CC say NOT GOD. you are obeying man instead of God then spreading lies. GOD SAID 'sabbath is MY HOLY DAY' mark 2:28 -the son of man is the LORD of SABBATH not 1st day, isaiah 58:13 - my holy day is SABBATH - holy day of the LORD honorable.
---mike on 1/2/19


Cluny: I don't know why you guys keep Sunday. Care to explain?

What I mean about "keep Sabbath holy" is exactly this:

Exo 20:8 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Why do you refuse to address the core issue that Jesus and the Apostles kept the seventh-day Sabbath (not Sunday) and alleged Orthodox do not. This fact belies the very meaning of the word "orthodox". At least the Catholics are honest enough to admit they they changed it on their own authority. What is YOUR excuse?


---jerry6593 on 1/2/19


Jerry, the Authority given to the CC came from Jesus. Matthew 28:18

Mike: christ redeemed US when he died on the cross and said 'IT is finished' and rested on the 7th day.//

No, Jesus REDEEMED us when He Rose on the Sunday.

1 Corinthians 15:14-20 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith...And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile, you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied. But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep.

Thus the 8th day!
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/1/19


\Cluny: Why do you refuse to address the core issue that Jesus and the Apostles kept the seventh-day Sabbath (not Sunday) and alleged Orthodox do not. \\

It depends on what you mean by "keep the Sabbath."

For us, some of the main hymns of the previous Sunday are sung on Saturday.

Furthermore, there is NO fasting on Saturday except on the Saturday before Pascha.

Now, why don't you answer my question about why eastern Churches that had nothing to do with Rome had Sunday for their main worship day.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/1/19




mike:

If someone says "The Catholic church observes Sunday as the Christian Sabbath", you may argue about whether or not such an observance is correct or not, but you can't call that statement a lie, because the Catholic church does, in fact, do so, regardless of whether it's right or wrong in doing so.
---StrongAxe on 1/1/19


Monk: Thanks for being open-minded enough to read an historical treatise on the subject. Most here aren't that interested in doctrinal accuracy.


Cluny: Why do you refuse to address the core issue that Jesus and the Apostles kept the seventh-day Sabbath (not Sunday) and alleged Orthodox do not. This fact belies the very meaning of the word "orthodox". At least the Catholics are honest enough to admit they they changed it on their own authority. What is YOUR excuse?


---jerry6593 on 1/1/19


Samuel, mike, and Jerry, are you aware that at the time of Christ and the Apostles, the Romans had an 8 day week, and Greeks had a 10 day week?

Furthermore, days dedicated to the worship of their deities were either monthly or annually.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/31/18


mike:

Your last message was a screed against Catholics sanctifying Sunday. Why are you calling ME a liar? I'm not a Catholic. I said that old eastern churches may have WORSHIPED on Sunday, but I never ONCE said that Sunday was sanctified, nor that the Sabbath was moved to Sunday. What SPECIFICALLY do you think *I* said that was a lie?
---StrongAxe on 12/31/18


nicole - christ redeemed US when he died on the cross & said 'IT is finished' & rested on the 7th day. His blood spilled before 7th day sabbath. it says in Luke 23:54-56. 1st day sunday - his followers are going to WORK embalming him. again christ never sanctify, blessed the 1st day in honor of resurrection. christ would have said 'i now sanctify 1st day in honor of my resurrection.' NOTHING. Paul continued to observed 7th day sabbath (NOT 1st day sunday) in ACTS. but you keep on adding 8th day which is 1st day, then 1st day is sabbath. you are a liar.
---mike on 12/31/18


Mike, Genesis 1:31 Are you saying God made the 1st day defiled?

If not defiled then the 1st day was SANCTIFIED!

I don't know about the RCC, but the CC has ALWAYS said EVERYDAY belongs to God.

So are you claiming God CAN'T MAKE ANOTHER DAY?

As I said, creation including time has been CONQUERED by JESUS!

I think is hard for you to accept.

Since we are in the New Kingdom of God we worship Jesus on the 8th day.

We acknowledge that Saturday is the 7th day because we are calling Sunday the 8th day which is NOW our Sabbath.

Luke 5:33-39

V 39 And no one after drinking old wine wants the new, for they say, The old is better

Either you want to be in the NEW KINGDOM of God or you do not.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/31/18


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Cardinal Gibbons, in Faith of Our Fathers, 92nd ed., p. 89, freely admits, You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the SANCTIFICATION of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we [the Catholic Church] never sanctify.

CATHOLIC ADMITS that 1st day is NOT sanctified. CATHOLIC admits BIBLE SAYS TO OBSERVE 7th day SABBATH. CATHOLIC admits it DOES NOT SANCTIFY 7TH DAY SABBATH.
cluny, axe, nicole are LIARS!
---mike on 12/31/18


Cardinal Gibbons, in Faith of Our Fathers, 92nd ed., p. 89, freely admits, You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we [the Catholic Church] never sanctify.

catholic admits it that 1st day SUN-day is NEVER SANCTIFIED from GENEsis - REVElation in honor of resurrection but RCC DOES NOT sanctify 7th day sabbath in HONOR of CREATION & REDEMPTION

cluny axe & nicole lacey are liars.
---mike on 12/31/18


Jerry6953 said, "nor will I until you've read "History of the Sabbath" by J.N. Andrews."

Jerry, I try to have an open mind, really I do. But why should I fill up my brain with all of this nonsense?

The Tradition of ALL of the Pre-Reformation Churches (all of which were functioning 1,800 years BEFORE the 7th Day groupies even thought up the whole "Sabbath" stuff.

But I downloaded the book you spoke of, and, God willing, I will read it all. However, I cannot reply to it because my comments are up to 125 words max.
---Monk_Brendan on 12/31/18


Mike, I know Saturday is the 7th day

//1st day sunday.//

Remember who created the days. God.

The 1st day of the week the Romans named it Sunday.

God didn't name the 1st day Sunday. The Romans named it after one of their gods.

I said Jesus redeemed us on Sunday which I said BTW is called the 8th day.

"The Church celebrates this final and greatest Rest into which God entered after he conquered death on the mystical Eighth Day of Creation.

Let this Sunday be a sacrament of the mystery that goes on eternally OUTSIDE OF TIME: the Day on which Christ gave us his wisdom and knowledge, overthrew the King of Death, and was crowned the Lord of Lords."
--The Eighth Day of Creation! by Mark Shea
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/31/18


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Cardinal Gibbons, in Faith of Our Fathers, 92nd ed., p. 89, freely admits, You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we [the Catholic Church] never sanctify.

here is proof that RCC said 'from Genesis to Revelation you will NOT find single line authorizing the sanctification of 1st day Sunday' & the RCC DOES NOT sanctify 7th day sabbath
nicole - RCC know which is 7th day sabbath & 1st day SUN-day. you don't that is why YOU ARE A LIAR!
---mike on 12/31/18


Cluny: Why do you refuse to address the core issue that Jesus and the Apostles kept the seventh-day Sabbath (not Sunday) and alleged Orthodox do not. This fact belies the very meaning of the word "orthodox". At least the Catholics are honest enough to admit they they changed it on their own authority. What is YOUR excuse?


Nicole: Did Jesus or any of the Apostles ever state that the Commandment to observe Sabbath was supplanted by the celebration of Sunday as a memorial for the resurrection? Wasn't baptism instituted for that?


---jerry6593 on 12/31/18


\\you honor the sun like SUN-RISE SERVICE every EASTER. \\

Actually, Easter sunrise services were invented by the Moravian Brethren, a German protestant group.

The pre-Reformation Churches have the principal Paschal Eucharist at midnight, not sunrise, to end the Lenten fast as soon as possible.

mike, please don't shoot off your mouth about matters of which you are ignorant , OK?

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/31/18


\\No Cluny, I haven't read your Sunday apologist article, nor will I until you've read "History of the Sabbath" by J.N. Andrews.\\

In other words, don't confuse you with facts, your mind is already made up.

\\I am actually quite shocked that scholars like yourselves are unaware of pagan sun worship prior to Christianity. Never read about Babylonian or Egyptian sun worship, eh? \\

The thing is, as a former SDA minister learned, the pagans did NOT have a weekly day of worship devoted to the sun or anybody or anything else.

Did you know that?

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/30/18


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nicole YOU ARE A LIAR! you don't even know which is 7th day sabbath & 1st day sunday. you are twisting that sunday is sabbath. sabbath means 7th day like sabbatical. christ rose on the 1st day sunday not 7th day sabbath. God NEVER SANCTIFIED 1st day SUNDAY in honor of the resurrection. you honor the sun like SUN-RISE SERVICE every EASTER. you catholic keep on justifying that christians worship on the 1st day sunday in honor of the resurrection. SUNDAY is 1st day not sunday is sabbath. YOU ARE A LIAR! catholics even admit the change from 7th day to 1st day sunday. so do NOT try to deceive me bec. it has been in the history book, google. YOU ARE A LIAR & your priest are pedephiles & child molesters the pope is protecting
---mike on 12/30/18


\\Cluny: All the clever tap dancing in the world will not explain away the FACT that Sunday observance was NOT a doctrine of Jesus and the Apostles, and hence is NOT ORTHODOX!\\

What do you actually know about the teachings of the Orthodox Church, and where did you get your information?

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/30/18


If GOD blessed the first day and made it Holy.

Why does the Bible not say that? Give me the Bible verse where Jesus says bless the first day and keep it holy?

I believe GOD gave Ten Commandments not suggestions.

Love and happy new year to all.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/30/18


Mike, I am NOT denying the Catholic Church made our Sabbath on the Lord's day.

I even gave St. John Paul II's encyclical: DIES DOMINI (Lord's day)

Which means if Jesus ROSE on Wednesday, our Sabbath would be on Wednesdays.

Because Wednesday would be the Lord's day.

//YOU CANNOT EVEN ANSWER AN SIMPLE question.//

I Did one BETTER! I explained WHY?

//DID GOD the creator of heaven and earth and redeemer of SINFUL man SANCTIFY, BLESSED and made the 1st day HOLY. it?//

YES, YES, YES!

Because he ROSE on SUNDAY which is the day we were REDEEMED.

Are you suggesting we were redeemed on Saturday?

BTW, It's called the 8th day
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/30/18


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jerry6593:

Why do you keep making up things people never said or did, then blame them for it? Neither of us ever said we never heard of pagan sun worship. What you keep doing is confusing worshiping ON Sunday with worshiping the Sun itself. The two are NOT the same.

Why don't you also blame Seventh Day Adventists for worshipping Saturn, because they worship on Saturday?

Your confusion is also very linguistically biased, because it is very dependent on ENGLISH names of days, as day names are different in different languages and doesn't address non-Adventists in other countries.

Wikipedia: Names of the days of the week. E.g. Slavic languages use positional names. Day 7 is "no work", not "Sun".
---StrongAxe on 12/30/18


Cluny & Ax:

Tap, tap, tap ...

No Cluny, I haven't read your Sunday apologist article, nor will I until you've read "History of the Sabbath" by J.N. Andrews.

I am actually quite shocked that scholars like yourselves are unaware of pagan sun worship prior to Christianity. Never read about Babylonian or Egyptian sun worship, eh?

Even the ancient Hebrews had some sun worshipers at a sunrise service, but they were not sanctioned by God.

Eze 8:16 ... behold, at the door of tn the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east, and they worshipped the sun toward the east.


---jerry6593 on 12/30/18


jerry6593:

Where do YOU think that the eastern churches (e.g. in India) got the idea? They didn't get it from Rome, because they weren't in contact with Rome. It may not have happened during the period after the NT was written, but it happened somewhere, somehow, long before the Catholic church was formed.
---StrongAxe on 12/29/18


\\Cluny: I know that you don't THINK that you got Sunday from Catholicism, so what pagan source did the Orthodox get it from? \\

I've given you the name of an article and the Protestant author dealing with the fiction that Sunday worship came from paganism.

Have you read it yet?

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/29/18


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axe - how can you say to worship on the 1st day when it is WORK DAY in the bible. it has been changed by MAN as 'HOLY'. did you read luke 4:16 - christ himself went to the synagogue on the sabbath as a custom. christ NEVER went to synagogue on sunday or 1st day. I gave an answer why it is important by this website did not post it. TOO BAD. you & cluny claim to be a FOLLOWER OF CHRIST BUT make lies about CHRIST 7th day sabbath. how will you feel when your wife observe another man's birthday instead of YOURS.
---mike on 12/29/18


nicole - you are the one preaching ignatius tertullian & co. about the change from 7th day to 1st day SUN-day. are they in the bible? NO. but CATHOLIC TEACHINGS. you are the one dodging & twisting the truth. YOU CANNOT EVEN ANSWER AN SIMPLE question. DID GOD the creator of heaven & earth & redeemer of SINFUL man SANCTIFY, BLESSED & made the 1st day HOLY. it? NO. but add ignatius, tertullian, martyr & co. to add to your TWISTED lies.
---mike on 12/29/18


Cluny: I know that you don't THINK that you got Sunday from Catholicism, so what pagan source did the Orthodox get it from? And how do you claim to be Orthodox when you don't keep the same doctrines of Jesus and the Apostles?


Cluny: All the clever tap dancing in the world will not explain away the FACT that Sunday observance was NOT a doctrine of Jesus and the Apostles, and hence is NOT ORTHODOX!

So your contention that you are orthodox is not at all accurate.

At least the Catholic Church is honest enough to claim that they changed the day from Saturday to Sunday.

cf.: "The Catholic Mirror", 12/23/1893
"Catholic Record", 9/17/1893
Challoner, The Catholic Christian Instructed, 1737
---jerry6593 on 12/29/18


Mike: you are adding to the word of God//

You are rejecting to the Word of God.

You dislike Matthew 16:13-19

Whatever means ANYTHING.

So, everyone from the 1st century are going to Church on Sundays and it takes you all in the 20th Century to set the record straight?

A little prideful don't you think?

Esp. since you are 20 centuries REMOVED from the Apostles.

BTW, people in the 1st 5 centuries are going by Words and TRADITIONS handed down to them from the Apostles.

No complete Books put together and divided up into chapters and verses as you and I have today.

They passed the Word of God and Tradition just as the Jews did for centuries.

But now that isn't good enough for you.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/28/18


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Cluny, I didn't know about the Emperors. THANKS

Catholic Answers: A council is recognized as ecumenical ONCE its works are APPROVED by a pope...The earliest councils were held in the East,..Karl Keating

You are in denial. There was only ONE CHURCH which was CATHOLIC until 1054 AD.


StrongAxe: Sunday is "the Lord's Day", but it isn't "the Sabbath".//

I said that. Please read my statement again.

The CC MADE the Lord's Day Christian's Sabbath day.

Everyone please read St. John Paul II's encyclical:

APOSTOLIC LETTER DIES DOMINI (Lord's day) OF THE HOLY FATHER JOHN PAUL II TO THE BISHOPS, CLERGY AND FAITHFUL OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ON KEEPING THE LORD'S DAY HOLY -- Vatican.va
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/28/18


mike:

I have REPEATEDLY agreed that yes, God made the first day holy, but then I asked you what, exactly "holy" means? It doesn't mean "we must worship on this day, and we must not worship on any other day". I asked you 7+ times WHY this question is so important to you, and you said that your answer wouldn't be published, so let me ask a simpler yes/no question which should easily pass muster: Are you a Seventh Day Adventist?

You keep inferring things about people that they never said or never did, and then condemn them for these sins you pulled from your own imagination. E.g. you infer "glorify the POPE", but NOBODY here has ever said to do that.
---StrongAxe on 12/28/18


nicole - you are adding to the word of God - God said DO NOT add or subtract to & from HIS WORD. ignatius tertullian & co. are NOT in the bible. they are church forgers. did God sanctify, holy, blessed on the 1st day? NO. you are spreading catholic lies. God establish 7th day as a commemoration of His Creation & christ RESTED on the 7th after He finished redeeming man. Ignatius, tertullian & co. are sinner & DEAD. Peter said OBEY GOD THAN MAN. youre obeying man. this website is cherrypicks what it wants to posts
---mike on 12/28/18


Cluny, you know how Councils works.

You know very well after each council a letter is written as it was in Acts 15. But the letter is ALWAYS is known AFTER it is approved by the Pope at that time as today.

As for James he even mentions Simon as what God spoke to him not James HOW to handle the Gentiles. If God wanted to relate the message to James He would have. But God told Peter because Peter was in CHARGE not JAMES.

Acts 15:14-15 (letter in V22) Brothers, he said, listen to me. 14 Simon has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. 15 The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:

More on how it becomes ecumenical later.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/28/18


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axe- christ himself went to the synagogue as a CUSTOM luke 4v16. you are the one who cannot answer the question- is 1st day holy, sanctified? NO. you are the one dodging the question.

cluny -christ observed the 7th day luke 4v16 - he went to the synagogue as a CUSTOM. so glorify the POPE.

you 2 will say - synagogues are for the jews only not follow the examples & teachings of christ
---mikr on 12/28/18


so again the question - is 1st day sanctified, holy, blessed? NO. cluny & axe are like the false prophets in the bible, they GRADUALLY twist the truth into a lie making 1st day God's day not 7th day
---mike on 12/28/18


\\
Peter was there and made the final decision. \\

Actually, if you read Acts 15, the final decision was made by James.

And this council is NOT numbered among the Ecumenical Councils.

The first 7 were actually called by the Emperor. Did you know that?

mike, you are the one teaching traditions and precepts of men.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/27/18


mike:

Your "answer" doesn't answer the question at all. The split of the Catholic and Orthodox churches might explain how those two churches share traditions, but it doesn't explain the churches in the east that were never part of either of those, as I pointed out, and Cluny pointed out several times.


Nicole_Lacey:

Sunday is "the Lord's Day", but it isn't "the Sabbath". There is nothing in the New Testament to indicate that the church "changed" the Sabbath to Sunday. They just chose to gather on the Lord's Day.
---StrongAxe on 12/27/18


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Cluny: All the clever tap dancing in the world will not explain away the FACT that Sunday observance was NOT a doctrine of Jesus and the Apostles, and hence is NOT ORTHODOX!

So your contention that you are orthodox is not at all accurate.

At least the Catholic Church is honest enough to claim that they changed the day from Saturday to Sunday.

cf.: "The Catholic Mirror", 12/23/1893
"Catholic Record", 9/17/1893
Challoner, The Catholic Christian Instructed, 1737


---jerry6593 on 12/28/18


cluny - i answered your question: split of the catholic into two - RCC & orthodox & traditions of men.
---mike on 12/27/18


nicole said, "Around 150 A.D. St. Justin Martyr explains the reason why in the DIDACHE."

Ms. Lacy, Justin explain the functions of The Lord's Day in his First Apology not the didache.

The didache is helpful but Justin had nothing to do with the didache.
---john9346 on 12/27/18


Cluny: BTW, the Pope did not attend any of the first 7 councils--the ones that Orthodoxy recognizes.//

I think you made a mistake.

The 1st council was held in Jerusalem and it's in the Bible.

Council of Jerusalem

Peter was there and made the final decision.

Acts 15

15:6-7 The apostles and elders met to consider this question. After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them:
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/27/18


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I don't know why everyone is disagreeing with Mike and Jerry?

The CC celebrates the Sabbath on Sundays because Jesus rose on Sunday known as the 8th day.

The Apostles broke Bread on Sundays.

Matthew 16:18-19
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/27/18


i replied to give answers but this website did NOT post my replies. this website is cherry picking so it can filter its false doctrine.

you will answer to the Creator for covering the truth.

that's it for me.
---mike on 12/27/18


\\Around 150 A.D. St. Justin Martyr explains the reason why in the DIDACHE.\\

St. Justin Martyr did NOT write the Didache.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/27/18


mike and jerry, you don't think that YOUR doctrine is that held by the Apostles, do you?

Many things you say here about the RCC are wrong, either misrepresenting their doctrine, or are historically wrong.

I will ask one more time: Why do ancient churches of the East who NEVER had anything to do with the popes or Rome have Sunday as the main worship day?

BTW, the Pope did not attend any of the first 7 councils--the ones that Orthodoxy recognizes.

Christ is born! Glorify Him.
---Cluny on 12/27/18


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Christians began to be persecuted after Constantine. Sorry I made a mistake. It was in the 300's that Christians started to persecute Christians. That is the 4th Century. So Cluny you were correct and I was mistaken. I put down the wrong Century. Got me:)

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 12/27/18


mike:

You keep missing the point. The Sabbath is a day of REST. It is God's GIFT to man, so we wouldn't have to work every day. Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man, NOT man for the Sabbath. This has NOTHING to do with worship.

If you gave your wife flowers every day, instead of just her birthday, would she throw them on the floor as inappropriate? Same with people who consider all days equally holy. God never said "Thou Shalt Not Worship On Any Day!".

Also, Christianet's server bots automatically delete messages that use certain trigger words. If some of your posts aren't making it, consider what words you use to see if you use any that might be considered unacceptable. E.g. WEB URLs are forbidden.
---StrongAxe on 12/27/18


Mike, the Catholic Church has celebrated the Lord's Day on Sundays since the Apostles.

Around 150 A.D. St. Justin Martyr explains the reason why in the DIDACHE.

You can google the 'Didache and read it for yourself.

Or read. WHY DO CHRISTIANS WORSHIP ON SUNDAY? - Restless Pilgrim "We are travellersnot yet in our native land" St. Augustine
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/27/18


axe - I gave you a reason but christianet chooses what to post. I post evidences that catholic ADMIT they changed the 7th day to 1st day. again NOT posted. it is the LORD's DAY - it belongs to HIM. how would your wife feel when you celebrate another woman's birthday or how would you feel if your wife celebrated another mans birthday every year & if you ask her she will give you excuses excuses. IT IS THE LORD's DAY 7th sabbath. what is it YOU do NOT understand 7th day is GOD's HOLY day not 1st day. christians call them bible believers but not observe 7th day. that is why it is IMPORTANT. GOD SAID IT not man. peter said OBEY GOD NOT MAN.
---mike on 12/27/18


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cluny - you are NOT roman catholic? then why do your 1st day lies the same excusing as the roman catholic church? GLORY TO THE POPE & CATHOLIC CHURCH.
---mike on 12/27/18


Cluny: I know that you don't THINK that you got Sunday from Catholicism, so what pagan source did the Orthodox get it from? And how do you claim to be Orthodox when you don't keep the same doctrines of Jesus and the Apostles?


---jerry6593 on 12/27/18


\\But Catholics started persecuting Sabbath keepers in the third Century. \\

BTW, Samuel, I didn't have space to mention that ALL Christians until the Edict of Milan in 312--4th century, btw--ALL Christians were persecuted by the Roman Empire.

Just how were what you think were "Catholics" ever able to persecute ANYONE, and what is your source?

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/26/18


Samuel and mike:

I've REPEATEDLY explained that I am ORTHODOX, not Roman Catholic.

Don't you get it yet?

The claim to have changed Saturday to Sunday at Laodicea is NOT historically true.

mike, I'm having trouble with m y e-mail. Please read Ralph Woodrow's article available on line "Did Sunday Worship Come from Paganism?" (He was a protestant, btw.)

Christ is born! Glorify Him!

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/26/18


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\\But the RCC has claimed for Centuries ...yes they changed it.\\

Obvioulsy, as an Orthodox, I DON'T take the RCC's claim as truth.

And this does not explain, as I've often pointed out, the ancient Eastern churches, such as in India, that NEVER had anything to do with Rome or the popes that have ALWAYS had Sunday as the main worship day.

Do you have an explanation, Samuel? At least, admit it if you don't.

\\But Catholics started persecuting Sabbath keepers in the third Century. \\

Where is such evidence, please? Where did this happen?

The only Christians who weren't Orthodox back then were heretics such as the Gnostics or Sabellians.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/26/18


mike:

Cluny is Orthodox, not Catholic, and said so many times. You, however, haven't said what your background is, even though this is the SEVENTH TIME I'm asking you why this issue is important to you.

As Cluny pointed out, Christianity spread out in all directions. Churches in the east (e.g. India), that never had any association with Rome, also worship on Sunday. They DIDN'T get that from Catholics.

I have no idea why you think *I* am Catholic. I never once said here we SHOULD worship on Sunday. I've only said we should be free to worship on any day. Otherwise, why would Paul say so? Aren't his words inspired scripture? You never yet showed any scripture that FORBIDS us from worshiping any other day.
---StrongAxe on 12/26/18


samuel - you are right. Peter said 'We ought to obey God than man' i think cluny & axe are catholic

Cluny / axe are obey the traditions of men.


samuel - can you give me your email address. I have MORE Sabbath truth. pls keep an open mind
---mike on 12/26/18


Well it was not a single Pope who changed the Sabbath and put it on Sunday.

But the RCC has claimed for Centuries they did it. So if you take their words as truth then yes they changed it.

There is some evidence it was a gradual we hate Jews thing. But Catholics started persecuting Sabbath keepers in the third Century.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/25/18


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cluny - why don't you read the cathechism of the catholic church? it says we observe sunday instead of sabbath bec. the catholic church in council of Laodicea 336 AD transferred the solemnity from SABBATH to sunday.
---mike on 12/25/18


Jerry and mike:

Please give the name of the pope that changed Saturday to Sunday, and give the year it happened.

If you can't, admit it.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/25/18


Jerry and mike, both of you are wrong.

There are ancient churches of Apostolic foundation in the east that had NOTHING to do with Rome or the popes that have Sunday as their main worship day.

I've brought up this simple fact several times.

How do you explain it?

If you can't, have the honor to admit it.

BTW, you don't seem to realize that I'm Orthodox, and we have had nothing to do with Popes or Rome for centuries.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/24/18


jerry - you are right & YET cluny posts - GLORY to Christ but obey the POPE.

Cluny - this what you should post at the end of every lie - GLORY TO THE POPE & THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
---mike on 12/24/18


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mike ask, "Where does it say in the bible that God the Creator of the universe Sanctified, Blessed, made the 1st day Holy?"

The Holy spirit aswers your question:

5 One person considers one day more sacred than another, another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.
6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God, and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.

See also, 1 Cor 16:1-2 and Acts 20:7
---john9346 on 12/24/18


mike:

I agreed God said the Sabbath is holy, but what, exactly, does "holy" mean? I didn't say God said other days are holy, but he ALSO never said they AREN'T. If you insist they aren't, it's YOU making things up.

You said Romans 14:3 is about fasting, yet 14:2 says it's about WHAT is OK to eat, not fasting. Fasting isn't even mentioned until 14:6, and that says BOTH fasting and not fasting are OK.

That you make two mountains (the first got filled up) out of this molehill is a perfect example of "doubtful disputations" we are warned about in 14:1.

You have still avoided the question of WHY this particular question is so important to you, personally. Why are you afraid to answer that question?
---StrongAxe on 12/24/18


mike, you can walk three blocks in any direction from your residence, and find people dying in despair, thinking that God doesn't love them.....

And the Saturday Sabbath, or rather, telling everyone else they are wrong if they worship on Sunday is what you're obsessed with?

Why?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/24/18


mike: You're beating a dead horse with Cluny. He doesn't believe in the orthodox teaching of Jesus and the Apostles, but rather that of his ecclesiastical forebears the Catholic Church.

It is only we true Protestants that believe in the doctrines of the Bible only.



---jerry6593 on 12/24/18


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cluny - obviously you are good in twisting the scriptures. your pentacost lies that the HOLY spirit descended on 1st day sunday STILL DID NOT sanctify, made the 1st day HOLY. sunday worshippers cannot say God sanctified it but use 1st day verses to justify their lies.
---mike on 12/23/18


strongaxe -putting words into your mouth? judges 17:6 -is what YOU are doing - persuaded in your own mind that this day is holy than that -
then you are stuck in Romans 14:5 - what about romans 14:3 -talks about fasting romans 14:6 -fasting again. one verse to create a twisted doctrine.
Peter said - WE ought to obey God than MAN not PAUL
i am not judging you calling you a cult but you can't answer if 1st day is sanctifed, holy but dodge the question. God SAID that 7th day is HOLY. you are the one who is making things up bec there is NO truth in you.
---mike on 12/23/18


Oh, mike!

Did you want to talk about the Saturday Sabbath for a change?

What a surprise!

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/23/18


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