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Protestants claim Catholics can't baptize our babies because they are not making the decision to follow God. But, what about Hannah? Manoah and his wife? Zechariah and Elizabeth?

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God is the creator of all man. He doesn't want anyone to die, but live forever in his kingdom. When God chose Israel, they thought his word was only for them. They failed in their task.

Isaiah 49:6 tells of Israel being the light of the world just as Jesus was the light to the world. He chose Israel because they were closer to God than all the other nations. (Deuteronomy 7:6-8)

Gods purpose in choosing Israel was for them to be a model nation to other nations and that through them all the families of the earth would be blessed (Genesis 12:3).

When Christ returns and sets up the God's Kingdom, He will restore Israel to its position of leadership in the world (Isaiah 11:12, 14:1-2).
---Steveng on 1/21/19


God chose the hebrews to take his words to all the world. They failed thinking it was only for them.
---Steveng on 1/19/19

Can you back this up with Scripture Steveng? Where does God tell Moses and Company to take " what words...the 10 Commandments? To all the world? I see no scripture where Israel was commissioned to take the Law and blessings and cursings given to Israel to all the world.

Many did in fact JOIN ISRAEL. But was Israel commissioned to put the world under the Law of Moses? Please show us where God gave that directive. Were they told to go into Gentile nations like the crusaders and convert them or kill them? Were they told to force everyone under a sabbath law? Please show scripture.
---kathr4453 on 1/20/19


The law was for all of mankind. God chose the hebrews to take his words to all the world. They failed thinking it was only for them.
---Steveng on 1/19/19


I think we are in agreement Nicole.

Rahab and Abraham were both before the LAW. So to those who want to mingle Faith and works of the LAW and use James....need to take into account like YOU also said....Rahab was a Gentile, and not under the LAW. Her ACTIONS in protecting the spies "PROVED her faith" in the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob. And in the end, when the scarlet thread ( symbolic of BLOOD) much like the Passover, was put in their window, The God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob SAVED THEM.
---kathr4453 on 1/19/19


Kathr: Rahab..Her lie protected them. But Lying is against the LAW isn't it.//

Rahab wasn't under the Law. She was a Gentile. The Law wasn't given to her at the time she lied

//So works here is not the works of the law//

Deuteronomy 10:18 He defends the cause of the fatherless and the widow, and loves the foreigner residing among you, giving them food and clothing.

Deuteronomy 27:19 "Cursed is anyone who withholds justice from the foreigner, the fatherless or the widow."

James states the same:

James 1:27 Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/18/19




Nicole, you need to REREAD my post again. I'm going by James. Rahab put into action what she HEARD AND BELIEVED, AND LIED TO SAVE the Israelites lives, the spies who went in. Her lie protected them. But Lying is against the LAW isn't it. So works here is not the works of the law...WAS MY POINT. Your comment is not in disagreement with my post. Thanks for backing it up.

If you and David actually gave some THOUGHT AND RESEARCH to my posts, you wouldn't always be looking for disagreement. So, is the problem not reading them, or not reading them?
---kathr4453 on 1/18/19


Kathr: Our faith is in the PROMISES OF GOD.//

James 2:14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has NO DEEDS? CAN such faith SAVE them?

//Rahab BELIEVED the report that God was going to destroy Jerico.//

You need to read the Joshua 1-6 again

Everyone in Jericho believe that:

Joshua 6:1 The people of Jericho were afraid because the Israelites were near. They closed the gates....

The ONLY reason Rahab and her family was SAVED was because of her ACT, ACTIONS, DEEDS as in James 2:17

'Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.'

In other words, the people of Jericho ONLY had faith.

Rahab had FAITH AND WORKS and was SAVED. Joshua 2:12
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/18/19


Just to be clear, the works James talks about is not any works of the law, as Sacrificing your first born, or LYING as Rahab did, was never a law. If you say..I have faith the chair will hold me, but never sit in it, is just words without proof you actually believe the chair will hold you. Faith ...as Paul says, OBEDIENCE OF FAITH, show action with words. Like.."put your money where your mouth is" ... And we know the Law is not if FAITH.....FAITH being something totally different. The LAW is not the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of things not seen.

Our faith is in the PROMISES OF GOD. Rahab BELIEVED the report that God was going to destroy Jerico. Abraham believed God would raise Isaac from the dead.
---kathr4453 on 1/18/19


Melody, A simple response to me: 'I don't know, but I DON'T believe you because I believe you will always be wrong.'--is good enough for me.

Your answer could have been about their Faith that Jesus could heal their friend.

As when a mother puts faith in a surgery operating on her baby.

They had Faith in Jesus to heal the man.

Jesus KNEW their trust in Him and rewarded their Faith by GRANTING them their request:

Healing the man they were carrying.

As when the man told Jesus if you will it you can heal me.

Matthew 8:1-3

Take it easy. These debates don't have to be hostile.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/17/19


Richard wrote: "Not Of Yourselves"

Grace from God is a gift from God not from ourselves. But one must recognize that we are sinners and it's up to us to make the decision to know we are sinners and it's up to us to repent.

One cannot be save by works alone, but by faith AND works for without faith works is nothing. Remember that Love is in the verb form.

Remember also that there are two resurrections. At the second resurrection all the other dead shall rise and be judged from the book of life - according the their works. Blessed are those that rise at the first resurrection. God is merciful, indeed.
---Steveng on 1/17/19




Nicole:

I won't debate anything with you, for set up you are on your own wrong 'logic' - that even you dare to contradict what THE LORD HIMSELF AS GOD shows in THE SCRIPTURES: Who are of a humble heart into repentance (and by that - HE grants forgiveness, salvation and eternal life as HE did to the man) and who aren't and relying in their own twisted religiosity that keeps them under enslavement for the now and forever if they'll keep on rejecting HIM AS THE ONLY WAY to acquire salvation!
---Melody on 1/16/19


Ephesians 2:8 - For by Grace ye are Saved through Faith: And that Not Of Yourselves it is a gift Of God.

Ephesians 2:9 - Not of Works, Lest any man should Boast.

Ephesians 2:10 - For we are HIS Workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, Which God hath Before
Ordained that we should walk in them,


Not Of Yourselves

( If I have a dollar and I give that dollar to you, Now It's your dollar, - So If God is dealing out Faith , Grace to a person is it not Now ---> There Faith ? )
---RichardC on 1/16/19


Melody: "And HE saw their faith (it wasn't only to them that brought down the man to HIM - but he(the man) was included//

Okay, we can debate this Passage.

You don't know that Jesus was including the man on the mat.

You are you GUESSING.

I am proving my point by using logic.

//- and looking into his inner heart - THE LORD had discerned and seen his belief in HIM and said to him: Man, thy sins are forgiven thee".//

THAT ISN'T IN THE BIBLE!

So answer this one question:

Why didn't Jesus FORGAVE the 4 men's sins?

They had the Faith, but their sin were NOT forgiven.

So were they SINLESS?
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/16/19


Steveng, to say that we have to have some kind of "conception" or idea or understanding for God to work in our lives is gnosticism.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/16/19


Steven: You are right, salvation is a personal decision:

Again Nicole gave her own interpretation and even saying - (who is she to contradict THE LORD'S DIVINITY of what HE was spiritually seeing that day?) - that THE LORD didn't see a display of faith from the man that was brought down to HIM by others, just because HE didn't say it - since when THE LORD has to audible says what HE sees in any man's heart?

"And HE saw their faith (it wasn't only to them that brought down the man to HIM - but he(the man) was included - and looking into his inner heart - THE LORD had discerned and seen his belief in HIM and said to him: Man, thy sins are forgiven thee". -
---Melody on 1/15/19


Steveng: Believing is a personal action//

Not according Jesus who SAVES US.

Luke 5:20 When Jesus saw THEIR FAITH, he said, "Friend, YOUR SINS are FORGIVEN

Jesus DIDN'T say their sins were forgiven. And it was THEIR FAITH not the man!

That man on the mat according to Jesus DIDN'T DO ANYTHING!

He didn't display any Faith in Jesus according to Jesus.

But he GOT the BENEFIT of OTHERS' Faith in Jesus!

So, how is THAT any different when parents baptizes their baby?

The parents brought their baby to Jesus and it was their Faith in Jesus NOT the baby.

But just like the man on the mat with the sins, the baby with the original sin got his or her sin forgiven by Jesus.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/15/19


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Thanks Steven for standing up on what comes from GOD'S WORD! - the problem with Nicole that she is giving The Scriptures her own interpretation and she doesn't realize the spiritual seriousness of that - well: "To each it's own" and as such - THE LORD gives in accordance . . . this arises from her early upbringing - saying that if the baby was baptized by the mother - that will assure of salvation - totally wrong!!! - how many are lost now that went through that and because they have rejected THE TRUTH and many for choosing false religions that trample on THE ONLY WAY of salvation - THE LORD!
---Melody on 1/15/19


Nicole, household salvation is non-biblical. Read the passages very slowly. The jailer was offered salvation. Believing is a personal action and every member of the family would need to also believe. The head of the household, once offered, would assume that the rest of the household would follow suit BECAUSE he is the head of the household. A father may believe, but the rest of the household may not. Jesus himself indicated that the gospel often divides families as stated in Matthew 10:3436.


Besides, one must recognize that he is a sinner. Babies/infants do not have any conception that they are sinners.
---Steveng on 1/15/19


Melody: There's nothing in The Scriptures about baby baptisms - it is Nicole's own distortion of The Scriptures//

Just because YOU CAN'T get pass the 'whole household baptism' doesn't mean I am distortion Scriptures.

It means I am distortion your VIEW of the Scriptures.

You should read my last citation blog because they mistakenly believe as you believe.

I only cited them because citing Scripture after Scripture of All Household members being baptized ever though only ONE confessed belief in Jesus they are still in denial as you.

//and so: THE LORD is in charge of those who stand for THE TRUTH and those who doesn't and to each HIS REWARDS.//

Thanks.

NOT ASHAMED OF JESUS!

LUKE 9:26
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/14/19


There's nothing in The Scriptures about baby baptisms - it is Nicole's own distortion of The Scriptures and so: THE LORD is in charge of those who stand for THE TRUTH and those who doesn't and to each HIS REWARDS!
---Melody on 1/13/19


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Michael, Scripture tells us when ONE person believed the WHOLE HOUSEHOLD was baptized.

'Do the "Household Baptisms" Justify Infant Baptism?' by Caleb Colley, Ph.D.

On occasion, advocates of infant baptism appeal to Acts 10, Acts 16, and 1 Cor 1 for proof that infant baptism is scriptural. Acts 10:24-48 relates the account of Cornelius and his relatives and close friends hearing the Gospel and being baptized. Acts 16 includes the accounts of two sets of baptisms: (1) the baptism of the members of Lydias family (verse 15), and (2) the baptism of the Philippian jailer and all his family (verse 33). Paul revealed that he baptized members of the household of Stephanas (1 Cor 1:16). These are the so-called household baptisms
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/13/19


\\Ms. Lacy, it makes no difference because you reject Sola Scriptura,therefore, you cant allow the Scriptures to speak for themselves.\\

You don't actually think that YOU allow the Scriptures to speak for themselves, do you john?

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/12/19


nicole said, "I will drop this part of the debate with you. I will only debate your Sola Scriptura claim in the next blogs."

Ms. Lacy, it makes no difference because you reject Sola Scriptura,therefore, you cant allow the Scriptures to speak for themselves.

Several postings have posted explaining that baptism in the NT address salvation, circumcision in the Ot addresses nationality/ethnicity...

---john9346 on 1/12/19


Nicole, I believe in Scripture those names you mentioned knew what baptism represented. The question is, do you know what it represents? What it really means. Don't you understand that those people were chosen by God? We know that because He wrote it in His word.
The Word tells us that when people had believed they were to be baptized. Not before they believe but after. That was to be the practice. John called believers to be baptized as a public renunciation of their old way of life. Baptism also symbolized the preparation of their hearts for the coming of the Messiah. And Paul connected baptism with the believer's identification with Christ.
---Michael on 1/8/19


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Michael: When an adult gets baptized, he knows his commitment to God, when a baby gets baptized, he knows not what is happening to him.//

So Jewish man DOESN'T know his commitment to God? Neither did Samson, Samuel or John the Baptist?

That's the purpose of this blog.

You claim a person has to WAIT until they are an adult to know their standing with God.

Which ISN'T in the Bible.

BTW, Catholics have yearly renewal of Baptismal promises made by our parents.
Confirmation later on with their own knowledge

//In these days whole families are never baptized.//

Maybe NOT in your Church, but it still happening in the CC.

Go to a Easter Vigil and you might see a complete FAMILY getting baptizes.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/8/19


WIVV, my connection I am making between Baptism and the Names I mentioned is concerning getting the baby's say in the matter.

Many Protestants tell Catholics that the reason we CAN NOT Baptize our babies is because they themselves are unable to consent.

In other words, the baby DOESN'T know what is going on.

He or she didn't decide to follow Jesus. The parents made that decision.

So, I gave Scriptures examples where at times the babies BEFORE his existence is dedicated to God.

A lifestyle is placed on the baby WITHOUT his CONSENT.

The parents are the ones told and charged with the dedication.

Simply, Parents are responsible for the Salvation of their children.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/7/19


Nicole, Catholics can baptize anyone they want to baptize. I don't believe there is anyone stopping them. The question is which one is legit? to Catholics their way is right, to protestants their way is right.
When an adult gets baptized, he knows his commitment to God, when a baby gets baptized, he knows not what is happening to him. When he grows up he might not know anything about God.
In the bible whole families were baptized at once. In these days whole families are never baptized.
---Michael on 1/7/19


In looking up the names of the people you mentioned in your statement I could not find any comments as to any baptism. For example: Hanna dedicated Samuel to the Lord, but "dedication" has nothing to do with Baptism. Maybe I'm not understanding your question. (I used The Holman Christian Standard Bible)
---WIVV on 1/7/19


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John, first you claimed you answered me.

//Also, I answered your question that the nationality is Israel referencing Abraham in Genesis.---john9346 on 1/5/19

Now you claim Steveng answered me?

//Steveng actually clarified to you the steps of NT Salvation nothing to do with Abraham.--john9346 on 1/6/19

I will drop this part of the debate with you.

I will only debate your Sola Scriptura claim in the next blogs
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/6/19


Nicole said, "
You claimed circumcision was for nationality.

I proved you were wrong because God FIRST told Abraham to be circumcised or be cut off. No nationality."

Ms. Lacy respectfully pay attention

You were claiming that what Abraham did was the same as salvation that if clearly read Gen 17 it addressed nationality not salvation.

Steveng actually clarified to you the steps of NT Salvation nothing to do with Abraham.

You cited 2 Thes 2 to try to refute Sola Scriptura that actually proves it...
---john9346 on 1/6/19


John, did you forget what the question was that you claim Scriptures ALREADY answered me?

If you wouldn't jump around you won't have forgotten the question.

I said circumcision was the same as baptism for Salvation.

You claimed circumcision was for nationality.

I proved you were wrong because God FIRST told Abraham to be circumcised or be cut off. No nationality.

2 Thess has nothing to do with Abraham being a Nation before Jacob was born.

//and these traditions no where mentions Roman Catholic Dogmas.//

I don't know anything about Roman Catholic Dogmas.

Go find a Roman Catholic to discuss their dogmas.

I am speaking about the Catholic Faith.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/5/19


Nicole said, "
Because Scripture DOESN'T back your answer."

Ms. Lacy,

Just read 2Thes 2:1-14 Paul directed by the Holy Spirit explains what traditions he is referring to, and these traditions no where mentions Roman Catholic Dogmas.

Also, I answered your question that the nationality is Israel referencing Abraham in Genesis.
---john9346 on 1/5/19


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cluny said, "I believe it was the Council of Sardica in the 200's that gave the first list of what is considered the NT today.:

Incorrect, Justin mentions the 4 gospels.

The Murtorian Fragments actually mention the NT Books, not a council.

My challenge to my EO and Roman Friends is please show us 1 Church Father who taught that they themselves gave/created the bible??
---john9346 on 1/5/19


John, I got the ANSWER?

Israel sir, was FORMED decades after Jacob's Grandfather was DEAD.

Matt 1:2 Abraham begat Isaac, and Isaac begat Jacob, and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren,

Jacob name was CHANGED to Israel

Genesis 32:28 Then the man said, Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel,

In Matt, Judas and his brethren are the 12 tribes of Israel that MADE UP the Nation of Israel.

Now after that break down, please back up your statement that you claim circumcision would cut him off nationality if the NATION was founded yet!

//but because you are ignoring the context you are asking a simple question that Scripture has answered for you.//

Because Scripture DOESN'T back your answer.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/5/19


\\This is not true none of the Church Fathers ever taught or believed that they created or compile the bible if so i'd like Nicole to name just 1 church father for us all here???\\

I believe it was the Council of Sardica in the 200's that gave the first list of what is considered the NT today.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/4/19


nicole said, "
A man or men compiled the Bible together.
Which group of men are YOU putting your TRUST INTO?

This is not true none of the Church Fathers ever taught or believed that they created or compile the bible if so i'd like Nicole to name just 1 church father for us all here???
---john9346 on 1/4/19


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Nicole said, "
Not God or Jesus Jesus didn't leave a Bible NOR told the Apostles to COMPILE a Bible."

This is nottrue, see 2 Tim 3:16-17, 1 Cor 4:6, Matt 4:4 that contradicts you.

Which group of men are YOU putting your TRUST INTO?

This is not true none of the Church Fathers ever taught or believed that they created or compile the bible if so i'd like Nicole to name just 1 church father for us all here???
---john9346 on 1/4/19


Nicole said, "
Please answer, what nationality when God told Abraham to circumcise himself or he would be CUT off?"

Ma'am, you've ben given the answer, but because you are ignoring the context you are asking a simple question that Scripture has answered for you.

Ms. Lacy,

What is your point regarding 2 Tim 3:14??

All Paul was said was Timothy learned the Scripture from his mother and grandmother?? your point??
---john9346 on 1/4/19


Samuel: Ask Monk who translated the Bible. He like me knows Orthodox scholars worked on establishing the Bible.//

Translated the Bible?

That mean someone ELSE compiled the Bible for it to be translated.

Again, Orthodox Scholars ISN'T a name.

Pope Damascus I commissioned the compiling of the Bible.

It was St. Jerome who was the Pope's Private Secretary. He was trilingual. He could speak, write and understand Latin, Greek and Hebrew and able to translate all the letters, Gospels and OT Books. (Saint Jerome: The Bible Translator)

Please back up your words.

You are a Teacher. You KNOW you have to give citations.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/3/19


True each wrote their part of the Bible.

Ask Monk who translated the Bible. He like me knows Orthodox scholars worked on establishing the Bible.
The book of Peter is in the Bible.

I put my trust in GOD and his word the Bible. The catholic scholars were not just from Rome but all th churches. At that time all the Bishops were equal.

There are a number of Bible translations. I know which are the good ones and which are not. Since I actually do research on them. The Old Testament existed then and still does.

Luther translated the Bible into German.

So when Jesus says to follow the word of GOD. Then the RCC says to follow them. Why would I not choose to follow the words of Jesus?
---Samuelbb7 on 1/3/19


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Samuel, you are wrong. They all wrote either letters or Gospels. Not the Bible.

Thomas and Peter also wrote Gospels. Why isn't their Gospels isn't in the Bible we have today?

Who made that decision NOT to place their Gospels in the Bible?

//The Old Testament is also the Teachings of GOD.//

Which Sets?

46 or 39? And Why?.

Why is Luther's version actuate and NOT the one Christian have been using for 1000 years before Luther?

//Jesus said to follow the Bible.//

Sure, WHICH BIBLE?

I am saying the Bible DIDN'T fall from the Heavens compiled in a leather book.

A man or men compiled the Bible together.

Which group of men are YOU putting your TRUST INTO?

I TRUST the CC!
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/3/19


Nicole you wrote: "Tell JESUS I rather read about YOU in The Gospel - than from YOU? . . . please apply this into your spiritual heart both ways: Listen to THE TRUE GOSPEL and then listen to THE LORD'S SPIRIT that is still allowing you the opportunity for you to give HIM only the glory that HE deserves and for the blessing of your eternal soul and in that: By you departing from those false teachings of the RCC - whom you constantly are desecrating GOD'S WORD by mentioning it and adding it as if they were inspired by GOD but they are not: "What relationship has GOD with the darkness and idols? - None!!!
---Melody on 1/3/19


Peter, James, John, Mark and Paul all wrote the Bible. Those are their teachings.

The Gospels are the teachings of Jesus Christ.

The Old Testament is also the Teachings of GOD.

Jesus said to follow the Bible.

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, it is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

So you are saying that the written word of GOD is not the word of GOD. When men ignore it. They are not following GOD.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/3/19


NurseRobert, Exactly Point!

Samuel: But the Teaching that the Bible is the standard for all truth is//

You said the 'Teaching'. That's a verb. So WHOM is the Teacher?

Not God or Jesus Jesus didn't leave a Bible NOR told the Apostles to COMPILE a Bible.

He DID LEAVE the Church.

So, the Church told us that the Bible is the standard for all truth.

Since WHEN has it ever occurred in the History of Mankind that the written material has GREATER standing than the ONE WHO WROTE the material?

Would you refuse to listen to Paul and instead read his letters?

Tell Luke, I rather read your Gospel and not hear from you?

Tell Jesus Christ, I rather read about you in the Gospels than from you?
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/2/19


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Just because false religions and cults have profaned GOD'S WORD from IT'S ORIGINAL WRITINGS, are we going to be foolish to bend under their blasphemous teachings and accept them as belonging to THE TRUE WORD OF GOD??? - if is it, that we are truly Born Again through GOD'S SPIRIT and THE LORD dwelling in our spiritual hearts: Where is then THE LORD'S DISCERNMENT that HE has given us, since we became HIS OWN???

"Woe unto them that decree unrighteousness decrees, and that write grievousness which they have prescribed". Isaiah 10: 1
---Melody on 1/2/19


So tell me why we are to not live by every word that comes from GOD?
---Samuelbb7 on 1/2/19

Who decided that the 66 books of the Bible are the only word of God?? The Catholic Bible has 73 books. The Mormons have an entire new "testament of Jesus Christ".

We have how many translations of the Bible... Who's to say what is correct and what is wrong?
---NurseRobert on 1/2/19


Nicole the words Sola Scriptura are not in the bible is true.

But the Teaching that the Bible is the standard for all truth is.

Remember what Jesus said to Satan.

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

So tell me why we are to not live by every word that comes from GOD?
---Samuelbb7 on 1/2/19


Me: "Mr. John, please CITE that nationality?" Abrahamian? (which you conveniently left off)

You: Israelite/Jew.

Sir, Israel wasn't BORN yet when God told him to circumcise himself. In fact his own dad Isaac wasn't born as well.

Circumcision was a 'Covenant'. Genesis 17

Please answer, what nationality when God told Abraham to circumcise himself or he would be CUT off?

Or just admit you made mistake.

"I reject it because Sola Scriptura ISN'T in the Bible.

//Ever read 2 Tim 3:16-17??//

Yes, and have you ever read the verses BEFORE 16??

V14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from WHOM you LEARNED it,
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/2/19


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IN Adam all die, bottom line. Original sin brought death to all mankind regardless of whether sin was imputed to them or not. Hebrews 2. Romans 5

Water baptism does not bring LIFE to anyone, Jesus death and resurrection does, and our dying with Christ and being raised up together with Him brings us from death to life....aka being Born Again. Our baptism is baptism into His death, to be raised up with Him...and is what Peter is talking about...A GOOD CONSCIENCE TOWARDS GOD BY THE RESURRECTION OF CHRIST...not by any water, as Peter also says NOT THE WASHING AWAY OF THE SINS OF THE FLESH.

Why can't you read this verse correctly? Believing half a sentence does not make it truth. It only makes you a CULT.
---kathr4453 on 1/2/19


cluny said, "The Eastern churches had accepted them BEFORE Trent."

Dates?? times?? cite source
---john9346 on 1/2/19


nicole said, "If you TRULY believed in Sola Scriptura you would believe in 2 Thessalonians 2:15."

If you read 2 Thes 2:15 in context Paul explained the traditions that he had taught the church.

They weren't any traditions that he had not all ready told them and he repeated them again...
Ms. Lacy tell me what is the definition of Sola Scriptura??
---john9346 on 1/2/19


Nicole:

Protestants (true Christians that reject false teaching from man-made doctrines and the reason that the word 'Protestant' came, from a man that was under that idolatrous religion and THE LORD delivered him through the leading of HIS SPIRIT and he protested the heretic teaching of a religion that since then has been teaching their idolatrous and false beliefs to the souls and of which you keep promoting in open opposition to THE TRUE GOSPEL OF SALVATION) - don't you fear when THE LORD calls you before HIM and bring you into judgment?

THE LORD never said that babies should be baptized in order for them to be saved and HIS WORDS: "Let the children come unto ME, for of them is The Kingdom of GOD"!
---Melody on 1/1/19


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\\Because they were never "Divinely Authoritative." until 1546 at Trent...
---john9346 on 1/1/19\\

The Eastern churches had accepted them BEFORE Trent.

Oddly enough, the Armenian church did not accept them until the 18th century.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/1/19


Ms. Lacy:

"Mr. John, please CITE that nationality?"

Israelite/Jew

"I reject it because Sola Scriptura ISN'T in the Bible.

Ever read 2 Tim 3:16-17??

"Plus, tell me where in the Bible states WHICH BOOKS should be in the Bible."

Tell me, what books do you think shouldn't be in the bible???

"As you know I have a 73 Book Bible and you have a 66 Book Bible states WHY the 7 Books in my Bible shouldn't be in my Bible."

Because they were never "Divinely Authoritative." until 1546 at Trent...
---john9346 on 1/1/19


cluny said, "To say we have to have some kind of "concept" or "understanding" is gnosticism.

Well John The Apostle directed by the Holy spirit who wrote against gnosticism sure didn't see it as you...


Babies are born with Original Sin, but they do not have the Developed Ability to sin...
---john9346 on 12/31/18


Mr. John, please CITE that nationality?

Abrahamian?

//because you reject Sola Scriptura this why you do not seem able to understandthe difference between nationality requirements from salvistic requirements..//

Mr. John

I reject it because Sola Scriptura ISN'T in the Bible.

If you TRULY believed in Sola Scriptura you would believe in 2 Thessalonians 2:15 that debunk that MAN MADE RULE in the 16th century.

Plus, tell me where in the Bible states WHICH BOOKS should be in the Bible.

As you know I have a 73 Book Bible and you have a 66 Book Bible states WHY the 7 Books in my Bible shouldn't be in my Bible.

You got the rejection from my Bible by a ruled made by a man.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/31/18


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Samuel, babies don't commit sins. Nor go to hell or Purgatory. Pope Benedict(before becoming Emeritus Pope Benedict) dropped the limbo explanation it is a mystery what happens to unbaptized babies before the 2nd coming of Christ. BUT we know God is MERCIFUL.

Baptism is needed for any sin on your soul which babies have called Original sin.

//Circumcision is not the same thing.//

Explain why? Paul equated them together. Col 2:11-12, Romans 4:11

Peter used the same wording as God in Acts 2:38-39/Genesis 17

Circumcision often. Even Jews connected them when they wanted Christians to be circumcised to be Saved. Acts 15:1...Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/31/18


To say we have to have some kind of "concept" or "understanding" is gnosticism.

Faith is a relationship in which God takes the initiative.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/30/18


Since I don't believe babies are guilty of having committed sins. Nor that unbaptized babies go to hell, limbo or Purgatory. No. They don't have to be baptized. You have to commit a sin to have sinned.

Circumcision is not the same thing.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/30/18


Nicole said, "
Genesis 17 God tells Abraham how important it was to be circumcised. So important that if they didn't they would be cut off from his people and broken GOD'S covenant. V14."

Perfect example of a seal of nationality but this is not salvation...saying to you

Ms. Lacy, because you reject Sola Scriptura this why you do not seem able to understandthe difference between nationality requirements from salvistic requirements...
---john9346 on 12/30/18


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Steveng, babies ALSO don't have the concept of Salvation.

Does that mean they shouldn't be SAVED if they die?

They have Original sin. Read 1 Peter 3:21..baptism that now saves you..

Genesis 17 God tells Abraham how important it was to be circumcised. So important that if they didn't they would be cut off from his people and broken GOD'S covenant. V14.

So, to make SURE a man didn't decide for himself, God told his parents to make this VERY IMPORTANT decision FOR HIM when he is 8 days old. V12

Stop and think about it.

Why would God take more importance in an earthly existence than a external existence?

HE DOESN'T!

So God wants us to Baptism our children. Even at day 1 if possible.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/30/18


Nicole said, " in the Bible when parents gave their babies to to nation of Israel?"
Ms. Lacy, if you read about Samson and Smuel then you read about it, this were nationality these account had nothing to do with salvation, but an ethnicity see Exo 13:1 also see Torah Law relating to this...
---john9346 on 12/29/18


It is written to "repent and be baptized." Acts 2:38, Mark 16:16

Repent: feel or express sincere regret or remorse about one's wrongdoing or sin.

Infants do not have any concept of repenting nor of sinning, of confessing, of baptism, of salvation, of belief, of Jesus, of God and his laws, of anything worldly or spirituality. Do infants have sins to forgive? So, how can infants repent?

The way to salvation is to hear the word of God, believe it in your heart, repent, confess your sins, and be baptized - all of which an infant has no knowledge or concept or understanding.
---Steveng on 12/30/18


John: these babies were NOT consecrated to Israel?

Cite in the Bible when parents gave their babies to to nation of Israel?

They were consecrated to God.

Judge 13:5b have a son whose head is never to be touched by a razor because the boy is to be a Nazirite, DEDICATED to God from the womb.

Did Samson ASKED to be a Nazirite?

Samuel's mother did the same thing.

Samuel 1:22b so he can be presented to the Lord and stay there permanently. I will offer him as a nazirite forever.

V27-28 I prayed for this boy, and the Lord gave me what I asked from him. So now I give this boy back to the Lord. As long as he lives, he is GIVEN to the LORD.

God is the SAME yesterday, today and tomorrow.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/29/18


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Baptism is an outward act indicating an inward decision and can only be made by the person who has made that decision. (Romans 6:4) A infant can not make that decision.
---WIVV on 12/29/18


So, why leave your babies vulnerable?
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/28/18

Vulnerable to what?? Do you think that God will not accept a baby who dies without being baptized?
---NurseRobert on 12/29/18


nicole said, "Protestants claim Catholics can't baptize our babies because they are not making the decision to follow God. But, what about Hannah? Manoah and his wife? Zechariah and Elizabeth?"

Ms. Lacy, these examples you raised have to do with nationality ethnicity as Jew/Israelites. They has nothing to do with salvation.

In the NT baptism is directly connected to one believing for him or herself in response to God regenerating the loss sinner.
---john9346 on 12/29/18


Even Jesus' Parents didn't ask Jesus if He wanted to be consecrated to the Lord.

Luke 2:22-23 When the time came for the purification rites required by the Law of Moses, Joseph and Mary took him to Jerusalem to present him to the Lord 23 (as it is written in the Law of the Lord, Every firstborn male is to be consecrated to the Lord.

Didn't God create us for Himself?

So, why leave your babies vulnerable?
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/28/18


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