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What Is Sunday A Holy Day

Why do Christians consider Sunday as a holy day in memory of the resurrection when the Bible commands the keeping of the seventh day, and institutes baptism as the memorial of the resurrection?

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mike:

Christians are no longer under the Law (Galatians 3). If you seek to be justified by the Law, you are OBLIGATED to keep ALL of it.

Breaking the Sabbath was a stoning offence. How do YOU keep the sabbath? If you cook between sunset Friday and sunset Saturday, or drive anywhere (even to Church), or so much as flip a light switch (which is technically starting a fire) during that time, by the Law, you should be stoned to death.

Do you eat ham, bacon, pork, lobster, shrimp, or catfish? Do you wear blended fabrics like polyester? Do you play football (technically made of pigskin)? You also break the law. There are 613 commandments in the Law. Do you keep ALL 613 of them? If not, you're in big trouble.
---StrongAxe on 2/1/19


do not listen to nicole lacey she is a liar. she says that sunday is 7th day sabbath then say that the 8th day is then 1st day but quote acts 20:7 to justify 1st day sunday is now the christian sabbath. she even quote ignatius of antioch who is found in the catechism of Catholic church.
the 7th day is SABBATH not 1st day (sunday). sabbath is HOLY, sanctified, & blessed by the CREATOR. Peter (supposedly the 1st pope) says obey God not man.
---mike on 2/1/19


When people call themselves Christians people will believe they are.

We must live for Jesus to be true Christians. Most Muslims only know what they see. So those with different ways of worship will confuse them. That is a fact.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/31/19


Cluny:

You wrote: No church has ever taught this, Strongaxe.

I know. However, if a non-Christian were to go into a Catholic or Orthodox church, and look at the iconography, listen to the hymns, watch the prayers of the devoted, etc., it's a reasonable enough misconception to make. Especially in places like Latin America, where one often finds shrines to the Blessed Virgin, where people leave food offerings. This is little different from pagans leaving offerings to their gods.

Also, don't forget that Catholic-based splinter cult from Quebec (sadly, I can't remember the name nor find it on Google any more) that believes in a divine "quintinity" of Father, Son, Holy Spirit, Mary, and their nun founder.
---StrongAxe on 1/31/19


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Muslims believe Christians belive in Trinity - Father, Mother, and Son - from watching Mary being on an equal footing as Jesus.\\

No church has ever taught this, Strongaxe.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/30/19




Melody:

I never Christians. I said "Christians". They CALLED themselves Christians. As the ONLY (poor) examples of Christianity Haitians saw, they reached wrong conclusions. Whose fault is that?

In the Last Judgment, these will stand before Jesus and say "Lord! Lord! Didn't we do great works in your name?" and he will say "Get away from me! I never knew you!" (Matthew 7:22-23).

Muslims believe Christians belive in Trinity - Father, Mother, and Son - from watching Mary being on an equal footing as Jesus.

It's a very dangerous to self-righteously point fingers and say "I'm Christian, but you're not, for you do X Y and Z" - someone else can say the same about you doing P Q and R.
---StrongAxe on 1/30/19


Axe:

Again you are repeating a false statement: Those who came against Haitians were not Christians - they were on a religion that in spite of their open rebellion against GOD'S WORD because of their pagan and idolatrous beliefs, they are so spiritually blind that they consider themselves Christians -it's hard to conceive how multitudes have fallen under that trap that only leads to eternal perdition - for who can change GOD'S WORD? - well again - those under the slavery of a deceitful and from the darkness spirit - may THE LORD deliver them once they heard THE TRUTH GOSPEL and away from the corruption of THE SCRIPTURES from what THE LORD calls "the harlot".
---Melody on 1/30/19


Melody:

People judge Christianity by those who call themselves Christians, whether they really are or not. Hence, Romans 2:24, Matthew 25, Matthew 7:22-23.


Nicole_Lacey:

I talked about the choices made by Haitians. Whether demons hurt them is beside the point. Christians oppressed Haitians, so they saw the Christian God as evil. Those Christians drove Haitians to voodoo, and will answer for that on the Last Day.

Many people in the Middle East whose villages and families were destroyed by U.S. bombs call the U.S. "The Great Satan". If you are justified calling Islam evil because some Muslims kill people, those victims are EQUALLY justified calling Christianity evil because some Christians kill people.
---StrongAxe on 1/29/19


StrongAxe: I was not talking about demons.//

Yes you did.

StrongAxe: they turned to voodoo to help them against the evil oppressive "Christians".. on 1/24/19

So I said: Right, look what it got them. Turning to the devil is NEVER the answer. on 1/24/19

//This was a message to the slaves of Haiti that the Christian God was not a God who comforted the oppressed (as Jesus taught), but who sided with the oppressors. This painted God as evil to them,//

So, TODAY in Muslims Countries that ENSLAVE people TODAY.

TODAY, when HAVOC in YEMEN from Saudi Arabia. Muslims bombing each other everyday in the present.

Why are you SHOCK when Jerry and I find it hard to believe they are a religion of PEACE?
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/29/19


Axe:

OF course, 'those so called Christians' from Europe weren't - for any religion that give worship to idols cannot ever be joined with THE LORD as they trample upon THE FIRST AND MOST SUBLIME COMMANDMENT - THE LORD'S SUPREME DIVINITY and what HE says against it!

The problem with your message was, that at the ending you said: "The only people (Christians) who could tell them otherwise, side them against them". = (Is as if you were agreeing that those under that pagan religion - were true Christians).
---Melody on 1/29/19




Axe:
Axe:

I was responding to your message where you quoted some scriptures and I meant for you to apply those verses unto you and be blessed! :-) . . . misunderstanding, we all fall under often, as imperfect human beings that we are! :-)
---Melody on 1/29/19


Melody:

You need to stop being so defensive. I was not attacking YOU. I was agreeing with your:
now even of those who spent their lives (now in judgment before THE LORD) - sending the multitudes into perdition - couldn't have or cannot act in Christianity

I was indicting the so-called "Christians" in Europe who, by siding with French oppressors, drove Haitians into the arms of voodoo.

Also, note I have been quoting scripture. You say things like "Take those words from The Bible personally and be blessed", yet you didn't actually quote ANY words from scripture - so just which "words from The Bible" am I supposed to take? Please DO quote scripture to prove your points.
---StrongAxe on 1/28/19


\\Take those words from The Bible personally and be blessed \\

Melody, you've not quoted ANY words from the Bible on this blog.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/28/19


Axe:

And you can keep on giving The Scriptures your own meaning but to no avail! - as when THE LORD will say that - is not going to be to true Believers - but those who in accordance to their own rebellion and blinded by their own false doctrines, have changed GOD'S WORD into their own pagan rituals and the spreading of religions that are sending the souls away from the salvation that only comes from THE LORD JESUS CHRIST - any one that defends those who openly are defying GOD'S WORD - they are choosing their own separation from THE LIVING GOD - for divided a soul cannot be and enter GOD'S KINGDOM!
---Melody on 1/28/19


Axe:

Take those words from The Bible personally and be blessed - as if you are sending them to me as a vicious attack for me in sharing what is THE TRUTH from GOD'S WORD, I'm doing it in obedience to THE LORD - if HE HIMSELF was persecuted and hated by the Pharisees for being GOD'S WORD HIMSELF and preaching The Gospel of Salvation - well HE said - we might go through that ourselves: As to you where you are spiritually speaking: If you don't like to read GOD'S TRUTH and it offends you - your condemnation against me - returns to you - and that GOD that knows the heart - be merciful unto you - HE knows where you are - go directly to THE LORD as THE AUTHOR OF THE SCRIPTURES HE IS!
---Melody on 1/28/19


Melody:

One of the most scathing indictments in the New Testament is Romans 2:24:
"For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through YOU", as it is written.

This was written by to believers, blaming them for unbelief of unbelievers. At the Final Judgment, when that comes up, it is Christians who will have to answer, because many unbelievers are actually driven away from God by the despicable acts of those who claim to be Christians.

These are the same ones in Matthew 7:22-23, after doing great works in his name, Jesus will say "I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity!"

And those in Matthew 25 who wonder why Jesus casts them into outer darkness.
---StrongAxe on 1/28/19


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Axe: You said it right = "the
supposedly Christians" (those who claimed to be - but were not Christians- and Haiti under it's spiritual ignorance as well - believed they were and of course made them rebel against true Christianity) - for nations that have claimed to be Christians - but are under the wicked spirit possession of pagan and idolatrous teachings - can't act in Christianity - they would even mention THE LORD as SAVIOR (of course in a Crucifix they show HIM) but then, given greater homages to abominable idols (all kinds) - now even of those who spent their lives (now in judgment before THE LORD) - sending the multitudes into perdition - couldn't have or cannot act in Christianity - this is a hell induced lie!
---Melody on 1/27/19


Nicole_Lacey:

I was not talking about demons. I was talking about the people of Haiti. They were invaded, and enslaved by France. When they revoled and threw off the chains of their oppressors, the supposedly "Christian" nations of Europe sided with France. This was a message to the slaves of Haiti that the Christian God was not a God who comforted the oppressed (as Jesus taught), but who sided with the oppressors. This painted God as evil to them, so they sided with anyone who would fight against this evil, oppressive god. What else do YOU think they should have done? WHO should they have turned to? The only people who could tell them otherwise (Christians) sided against them!
---StrongAxe on 1/27/19


StrongAxe: What were they SUPPOSED to do?//

You do realize the demons HATES us?

They were NEVER on the Slaves sides.

The demons always PROMISE to give us whatever we ask them and PRETEND to be our friends. After we get it they TURN on us.

Who thinks the demons keeps their promises?

Are you serious?

Even Job's wife didn't suggest demon worship when Job LOST everything!

Job 2:9 Then Job's wife said to him, Do you still retain your integrity? Curse God and die!

I am sorry, but Job's response to her applies to you as well.

V10 You speak as a foolish woman speaks, he told her. Should we accept from God only good and not adversity? In all this, Job did not sin in what he said.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/26/19


The early Christians, especially the Jewish ones, would attend the Synagogue on the Sabbath, then meet in the wee hours of Sunday morning to celebrate the Eucharist, and afterwards go on about their usual business.

When Christians were expelled from the Synagogues, about 105 or so, what was left?

Jerry says SDA doesn't observe the other of God's sabbaths, because their prophetic purpose was fulfilled. I pointed out how the Saturday Sabbath's prophetic purpose was fulfilled, but he said nothing.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/26/19


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jerry6593:

You wrote: You guys are way off track here. Will someone please show me the Scripture where the Bible commands the replacement of the one holy day, Sabbath, with Sunday. I can't find it.

We have been repeatedly telling you that THERE IS NO SUCH PLACE, yet you keep re-asking the same question over and over again. Wy is that? Are you just not paying attention? It's not a biblical command. We get that already. So please move on to something we don't all already know.

Paul said that it's OK to consider all days equally holy. By constantly belaboring point, you are choking on a gnat.
---StrongAxe on 1/26/19


You guys are way off track here. Will someone please show me the Scripture where the Bible commands the replacement of the one holy day, Sabbath, with Sunday. I can't find it.


---jerry6593 on 1/26/19


Nicole_Lacey:

What were they SUPPOSED to do? "People of God" (i.e. European Christians) supported French oppression. If people do evil in the name of their god, it's reasonable to conclude the god is evil. That is wrong, but but whose fault was it? European Christians, who put greed over the gospel! Paul wrote "My name is blasphemed among the gentiles because of YOU, as it was written".

History taught decades ago whitewashed what Europeans did to American natives. Should we pretend slavery didn't happen either? Some revisionist textbooks now say Africans "immigrated" here and natives "volunteered" to resettle. Both are damnable lies attempting to make European conquest and slavery acceptable.
---StrongAxe on 1/25/19


StrongAxe: ..they turned to voodoo to help them against the evil oppressive "Christians".//

Right, look what it got them.

Turning to the devil is NEVER the answer.

//Native Americans LIVED HERE. Who were they SUPPOSED to "return to"!?//

You do know they are DEAD?

BTW, my Ancestors were taken from their land.

Are you asking me to give my American land to the Natives?

Why?

We both lost land. Who is going to return the land back to me?

Besides, wheres your angry toward the Muslims who enslaved my people?

Did you know Muslims are STILL ENSLAVING people TODAY?

Why don't you START with them BEFORE whining about dead people in the past?
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/24/19


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StrongAxe: People here lived their lives, then Europeans came, took over everything, pillaging land, displacing natives, enslaving others to enrich European monarchs,//

Are you serious?

You act as if ONLY EUROPEAN took over someone's else land, enslaved other people and displaced natives.

Ever read about the Aztec Empire?

They were practicing human sacrifices. Native American sacrifices.

Enslaved each other and took over their lands.

Africans did the SAME to each other.

ALL peoples ALL over MISTREAT each other.

Tell me one RACE that didn't take another Race's land?

Even Europeans enslaved each other.

Romans didn't care. Being White didn't stop them from enslaving you.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/24/19


Nicole_Lacey:

No. History taught in the 60s is revisionist, hiding the nasty bits. People here lived their lives, then Europeans came, took over everything, pillaging land, displacing natives, enslaving others to enrich European monarchs, all in the Name of King and Church that taught that everything belonged to God and his people, and it was OK to take things from heathens.

France enslaved Haiti. When they rebelled, "Christian" European countries sided with France, so they turned to voodoo to help them against the evil oppressive "Christians".

Native Americans LIVED HERE. Who were they SUPPOSED to "return to"!? It was only "new" to the conquerors.
---StrongAxe on 1/24/19


StrongAxe: Only from a Euro-centric perspective.//

That's a modern history revisionist excuse.

Esp. Atheists or those who want to wipe religion out of history.

Remember, Columbus wasn't looking for the new world he was going to India.

After he discovery he wanted to bring the Gospel to the Natives.

You ONLY need to read History don't CHANGE history.

//Native Americans "discovered" the new world//

???

They didn't return to tell anyone. That's why it is called the NEW WORLD.

It was UNKNOWN to anyone UNTIL a CATHOLIC returned.

//LONG before any Europeans, Catholic, Protestant,//

???

The Gospel WASN'T given to the Natives to spread yet.

Matt 28:19
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/23/19


jerry6593:

Have you ever attended a Passover seder? It consists of a long lecture, punctuated by different parts of a meal, with each part of the meal having some specific ritual significance.


Nicole_Lacey:

With regards to "breaking bread", you wrote: Maybe in your Church, but not Christians before the 16th century.

There is a 2nd century Latin fresco "Fractio Panis" (literally "breaking bread") that illustrates this practice.
---StrongAxe on 1/23/19


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Jerry: but my Bible says (Acts 20:6) that the Passover was over by 12 days when the meal in question occurred.//

Jerry you seem not to understand the Passover and Jesus fulfilling the Law? Matthew 5:17

Jesus wasn't PASSED. He is the sacrificial Lamb.

What do you think was going on in the Last Supper? That is a true question. I am not trying to be smart with you.

//Besides, the Passover service did not involve an all-night lecture//

We celebrate the Mass every Sunday (exactly daily) in remembrance of the Passover as Jesus instructed us. 1 Cor 11:23-29

Unless you think Paul is lying?

Besides you are reading Acts 20:7 wrong.

The Breading of the Bread came FIRST than the lecture.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/23/19


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: Remember it was a Catholic who discovered the new world not a Protestant.

Only from a Euro-centric perspective. Native Americans "discovered" the new world LONG before any Europeans, Catholic, Protestant, Viking, or otherwise, came here.
---StrongAxe on 1/23/19


Nicole: "Are you suggesting that the Passover meal is the same as any meal?"

Sorry Nicole, but my Bible says (Acts 20:6) that the Passover was over by 12 days when the meal in question occurred. Besides, the Passover service did not involve an all-night lecture followed by a dawn journey.


Glory to Jesus Christ the Author and Keeper of the Sabbath day.



---jerry6593 on 1/23/19


Jerry: The expression "break bread" is in common usage among all English-speaking peoples as synonymous with having a meal, and is not exclusively limited to a Communion Service.//

Maybe in your Church, but not Christians before the 16th century.

Are you suggesting that the Passover meal is the same as any meal?

Are you suggesting the Last Supper (Passover Meal) is the same as any other meal Jesus had with the Disciples and Friends?

So the meal in John 2:12 and Luke 10:38-42? Or Luke 7:36-50? Matthew 9:10?

They were not speaking English.

BTW, Catholics Saints walked all over earth to spread the Gospel.

Remember it was a Catholic who discovered the new world not a Protestant.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/22/19


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Steveng:

You wrote: So does that mean a person can be persuaded in his own mind that it's OK to lie, or to murder, or that the Sabbath does not need to be observed?

Why do you keep creating strawmen and then burning them down? You accuse ME of taking things out of context, but did you even read the context of what Paul wrote in Romans 14:5?

This is ONLY about which days are holy. It is totally dishonest of you to switch this to other things and then condemn it for applying to those other things, which it never did until YOU made it do so.

As for the greater context, the WHOLE CHAPTER is about not judging others in how they observe, so why do you constantly do so?
---StrongAxe on 1/22/19


Steven:

In Christian sensitivity (as we all make mistakes in giving the right interpretation of The Scriptures - you said:
The Jews never forget that the Gentiles and they bicker over it, while the Jews remember it". . . let's get to the reality of things in reference to where both are: Will it save the Jews to keep the Sabbath while still rejecting THE MESSIAH? = No! - Will it condemn The Gentiles or the Jews or anyone else not keeping The Sabbath or Sunday when in their hearts - THE LORD lives by their commitment unto HIM and living a righteous life? = No! = Romans 14: 5,6,7
---Melody on 1/22/19


Steve:

Are you disqualifying Romans 14: 5,6,7 from being GOD'S ADMONITIONS in reference to the days of us giving reverence and worship to THE LORD? - for in accordance of what you wrote - (and in Christian sensitivity - you misinterpret it) as it reads:
"So, does that mean, a person be persuaded in his own mind, that it's okay to lie, murder, or that the Sabbath does not need to be observed"? see? - THE LORD is talking about those true Christian in commitment to HIM at all times - not only in those special days: Does it sound right for you if a person is so religious on keeping Saturday or Sunday but the rest of the week - living in sin? - sad but true many believe is right - but wrong they are before THE LORD!
---Melody on 1/22/19


Strongaxe wrote "The Bible ALSO says "let each be persuaded in his own mind". and...

you can feel free to celebrate however you feel is right."

So does that mean a person can be persuaded in his own mind that it's OK to lie, or to murder, or that the Sabbath does not need to be observed?

Like a majority of Christians, you take things out of context. That's why dividing the bible into chapters and verses was the worst thing anyone can do to change the bible.

As for judging, christians ARE to judge righteously. How else are parents to bring up children?
---Steveng on 1/22/19


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Nicole: The expression "break bread" is in common usage among all English-speaking peoples as synonymous with having a meal, and is not exclusively limited to a Communion Service. Besides, do Catholics commonly stay up all night on Saturday night and go on long trips early Sunday morning? I doubt it.

Jesus invented the Sabbath. Jesus and all His disciples kept the Sabbath. We will ALL keep the Sabbath in the hereafter. Why not NOW?


---jerry6593 on 1/22/19


Steveng:

You wrote: It's not my "own," but what the bible says.

The Bible ALSO says "let each be persuaded in his own mind".
The Bible ALSO says that we should not judge each other with respect to sabbaths.


Samuelbb7:

Of course, you can feel free to celebrate however you feel is right. What's not right is when some Christians tell others "your way of doing it is wrong" when scripture tells them not to do that (see above).
---StrongAxe on 1/21/19


Srongaxe wrote: "Your last post makes no sense."

It makes no sense to those who don't understand.

Srongaxe wrote: "...but keep insisting that your own persuasions are correct,.."

It's not my "own," but what the bible says.
---Steveng on 1/21/19


Thank you Melody. I am a Seventh day Adventist. Some good points Steven.

There is no command to keep Sunday.

Strong Ax. We keep Sabbath because GOD says to in the Ten Commandments. So why should I not obey GOD? Now many don't know and others are not convinced. So GOD will deal with them in love and kindness. That does not mean I should ignore what I know to be the truth. As Billy Graham said GOD gave Ten commandments not suggestions.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/21/19


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Steveng:

Your last post makes no sense. Even if the purposes of the Sabbath is to give us a weekly reminder of God's existence, people who worship God every Sunday (or any other day, for that matter) are STILL reminded of God's existence weekly. This is what Paul meant when he said "some consider every day to be equally holy". He also said "Let each be persuaded in his own mind".

Why do you refuse to allow us to be persuaded in our own minds, but keep insisting that your own persuasions are correct, and everyone else's persuasions are wrong?
---StrongAxe on 1/21/19


Jerry, the words 'break bread' is their Mass as we celebrate Mass today.

Breaking Bread is the Sacrament of the Eucharist.

Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread,

Sunday, The Disciples already celebrating Mass on Sundays
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/21/19


In reference to the verses from GOD'S WORD that I shared previously: By the grace of GOD, I got to know about THE LORD since early in my childhood and accepted HIM as my Personal SAVIOR AND LORD as well when very young and from the true teaching and learning from The Bible that from the very beginning I did believe totally: As I attended the Evangelical Christian Church, Sunday was a very special day for me and my loved ones, but then - we had truly Christian neighbors from the Adventist denomination that attended Services on Saturday and sometimes I joined them and there wasn't any division between us but just the love of our LORD united us as for worshipping and give reverence to our LORD is everyday . . . blessings to all of you!
---Melody on 1/21/19


The seventh day is a reminder that God created everything, rested and sanctified that day. Creation is the proof of God's existence.

Satan wants man to change the days for us NOT to remember God. The Jews never forgot, but the gentiles changed it and the gentiles bicker over it while the Jews still remember it.

Why would God establish and sanctify the seventh day, take it away and then re-establish it again in the new earth?
---Steveng on 1/21/19


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The Scriptures doesn't fail about the subject: That in HIM we should live every day of our living days into commitment and faithfulness unto THE LORD by the anointment HE has blessed us with and by steps of faith, acting under HIS RIGHTEOSNESS.
-.-

"One man esteem one day above another, another esteem every day alike: Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind". He that regards the day regards it unto THE LORD, and he that regards it not the day, to THE LORD he does not regard it. He that eats it, eats it to THE LORD, for he gives GOD thanks, and he that eats not, to THE LORD he eats not, and give GOD thanks". For none of us live to himself, and no man dies to himself". Romans 14: 5,6,7
---Melody on 1/21/19


ax: You and Sam are confused. The fact that the Sabbath day IS holy means that it was set apart for a holy purpose, i.e., worship. The Commandment states that one must work the other six days of the week. How can one attend worship services if he is working?

You need to understand the difference between the eternal Commandment (written by God, Himself) and the ordinances (written by Moses and subsequently nailed to the cross.

We SDA's keep the Sabbath from Sundown Friday to Sundown Saturday. Jesus invented the Sabbath. Jesus and all His disciples kept the Sabbath. We will ALL keep the Sabbath in the hereafter. Why not NOW?


---jerry6593 on 1/21/19


Thank you Strong Ax for your good point.

Let us follow Jesus.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/20/19


jerry6593:

My point is that the meeting was on the FIRST day of the week (Saturday sunset to Sunday sunset), and NOT on the Sabbath (Friday sunset to Saturday sunset). Do YOU, as SDA, go to church on Saturday evenings, or Saturdays during the day? If you go during the evenings, you're not worshipping on the Sabbath. If you go during the day, you're not worshipping according to the model of the New Testament Church. Regardless of which model you use, you're violating the other model. You can't have both. So which is it?

There were NO commandments to gather or worship on the Sabbath. There WERE commandments to refrain from work, travel, commerce, and lighting fires on the Sabbath.
---StrongAxe on 1/20/19


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ax: Thanks for making my point. It was not a Sunday morning meeting. It was a Saturday night meeting, and Sunday morning was spent traveling. Does anyone keep Sunday that way today? Do you? I don't think so. Thus, the thesis that this story confirms the transfer of sanctity from Sabbath to Sunday is fallacious.

Besides, doesn't it seem strange to you that if the Apostles had actually intended to alter one of God's original Commandments, they didn't make direct mention of it somewhere?


---jerry6593 on 1/20/19


jerry6593:

You wrote: If you would do a little research, you'd find that the Jewish day started at sundown.

Yes, I have known that for years. But follow the chronology in Acts 20. They met on the FIRST DAY (which was some time AFTER sunset Saturday, WHICH WAS NO LONGER THE SABBATH, and before sundown on Sunday). Since they were talking about night, this must have been Saturday evening, then on past midnight into Sunday morning, and on until dawn on Sunday, when Paul left. This was NOT a "Saturday Sabbath meeting".
---StrongAxe on 1/19/19


ax: "Please show the EXACT verse where it says that it mentions Saturday night in ANY context in thie [sic] chapter."

If you would do a little research, you'd find that the Jewish day started at sundown. Note that:

Act 20:8 And there were many lights in the upper chamber, where they were gathered together.

Act 20:11 When he therefore was come up again, and had broken bread, and eaten, and talked a long while, even till break of day, so he departed.

Only a night meeting would require "many lights" and "talk until daybreak".


---jerry6593 on 1/19/19


jerry6593:

You wrote: No it was not. Check the story in Acts 20, The meeting was Sat night after sundown (when the Jewish day begins), and Paul went on a long journey Sun morning at daybreak.

7. FIRST day of week, when disciples broke bread, paul preached until midnight. ...
9-10. Eutychus fell asleep, fell, and was raised.
11. They broke bread, talked a long time until daybreak, and Paul departed.

Please show the EXACT verse where it says that it mentions Saturday night in ANY context in thie chapter.

Also, if the Church accepted offerings on Sunday solely to avoid sabbath commerce, does SDA similarly forbid accepting offering on Saturday?
---StrongAxe on 1/18/19


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ax" "Traditions can be good or bad."

Agreed! The Pharisees invented many "extra" burdens to be placed on the Sabbath. Jesus corrected them, in that he taught that it was OK to do good on the Sabbath, as in healing or picking corn for a quick lunch. He taught that we should keep the 10C Law - not traditions.

"Church meeting on Sunday was NT church tradition: Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2."

No it was not. Check the story in Acts 20, The meeting was Sat night after sundown (when the Jewish day begins), and Paul went on a long journey Sun morning at daybreak.

In 1Cor it shows the Jewish custom of doing the finances on Sun to avoid such secular tasks on Sabbath.


---jerry6593 on 1/18/19


Of all the peoples on earth, the Sabbath was not observed or even heard of except for the Jewish nation that came out of Egypt. And there is nothing in the ruling of the Jerusalem Council Acts 15 that mandated anything that was distinctly Jewish to be observed by Gentile converts. Sunday was observed by nearly all Gentile churches by the end of the first century and essentially became the Christian sabbath - not a legal law but a tradition only. Those that pitch observing the Jewish Sabbath are simply modern day Judaizers.
---RioLion on 1/17/19


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ax: I found your last post to be most honest, so I will answer some of your questions. First, I was gratified to hear you admit that Sunday keeping is not Biblical, but is based ONLY on tradition of men.\\

All of SDAism's traditions are the traditions of men.

To be more specific, a woman who was a demon-possessed madwoman.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/17/19


jerry6593 said, "Why do Christians consider Sunday as a holy day in memory of the resurrection when the Bible commands the keeping of the seventh day,"

First, The First Day replaced the Seventh Day see, Acts 20:7, 1 Cor 16:1-2.

Next, The sabbath was fulfilled in Christ Heb 4:1-910.
---john9346 on 1/17/19


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Jerry: Your 8th day theory doesn't hold water. It does not last forever//

No, not now but in Heaven.

Since we go by time we celebrate the 8th day on the 1st day Sunday. Because FOR US Jesus actually Rose on a Sunday.

As those who are born on Feb 29th. They celebrate their birthdays on March 1st most of the time.

We celebrate Jesus' Resurrection the day after the Sabbath until we celebrate Him forever on the 8th day that never ends.

//The Bible does not say which day Jesus went to heaven.//

Luke 24:51, Acts 1:9. 40 days after His Resurrection. Acts 1:3 CC celebrates Ascension Thursday.

No time with Jesus.

He Rose on Sunday and went to Heaven on the same day.

We ONLY have time NOT Him.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/17/19


jerry6593:

Traditions can be good or bad. Jesus condemned Pharisee traditions BECAUSE they contradicted scripture (e.g. Korban), but Paul told his readers to hold fast the traditions they were taught. Jacob was promised Rachel, but Laban gave him Leah because it was tradition to marry the oldest first. Jacob accepted that without objection.

Church meeting on Sunday was NT church tradition: Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2.

Ex 20:8 says nothing about HOW. Other verses prohibit work, commerce, lighting fire, or travel. If you drive to church, eat out after church, cook, clean, or flip a light switch between Friday and Saturday night, you violate Biblical sabbath law.
---StrongAxe on 1/17/19


ax: I found your last post to be most honest, so I will answer some of your questions. First, I was gratified to hear you admit that Sunday keeping is not Biblical, but is based ONLY on tradition of men. Here is what God (and I) think of that:

Mar 7:7,9 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. ... Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

As for what it means to "keep" a day, the 4th Commandment states:

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to KEEP it holy.

The root of the word "holy" is to set apart for clean, consecrated religious service. It is the only day of the week so consecrated by God.


---jerry6593 on 1/17/19


Nicole: Now I ask you to listen with an open mind. Your 8th day theory doesn't hold water. It does not last forever or you would never go to work. Time is still relevant to us on earth, as eternity has not yet started. That begins in the Millennium when Jesus returns.

The Bible does not say which day Jesus went to heaven. Your insistence that this event occurred on Sunday belies your emphatic quote that He went on Friday, and His assurance to Mary that He had "not yet" ascended.

I submit the same challenge to you as to Cluny:

Please give BCV where the Bible supplants the seventh day Sabbath and institutes the first day of the week (Sunday) in its place. If you can't find it, just say so.


---jerry6593 on 1/16/19


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Cluny: Some pagan calendars DID have a week of 8 days, or even 10 days.//

I am not denying that point.

But the Jewish people were using the 7 day week system as we do today.

And I also know the some Jewish people use a different amount of month system as well.

But, since the Christian Faith today is using the same number of days as the Jewish people in the Bible my statement still stands.

There isn't a 8 day in the week.

The Pagans also named the days of the week by their gods.

Saturday is their Saturn god as the planet.

Orthodox Jews do not refer the Sabbath day as Saturday.

We use the same names, but do not believe the names are gods.

BTW, I like your new signature notation
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/15/19


jerry6593:

You wrote: Please give chapter and verse where the Bible supplants the seventh day Sabbath and institutes the first day of the week (Sunday) in its place. If you can't find it, just say so.

I think it's been generally agreed that there is no such bible verse. Cluny points to 2000 years of post-biblical Christian tradition, which you seem to think counts for nothing.

Christ kept the seventh-day Sabbath!

I had previously asked you exactly how YOU keep the Sabbath (since you think it's very important to do so), but you have yet to answer that question.
---StrongAxe on 1/15/19


Excellent points, Kathr.

Esp this one: //8 in scripture means NEW BEGINNINGS, as we see with Noah and family.//

(That's why many of our baptismal fonts are octagonal shapes.)

Do you see Jerry? Noah and his family started fresh on the 8th day.

How much more when Jesus Rose on Sunday which isn't the first day, but the 8th day.

You can't go back but forward.

Jesus isn't starting over, but created a new day.

As Jesus told the thief on the cross:

Luke 23:43

And He said to him, "Truly I say to you, TODAY you shall be with Me in Paradise."

Now we know Jesus didn't go to Heaven on Friday or Saturday.

'Today' is the 8th day which lasts forever.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/14/19


Cluny: "Jerry, nice try, but these verses do NOT say that baptism is a commemoration of the Resurrection."

What? Were you unable to see the incontrovertible link between baptism and the crucifixion/resurrection of Christ? I apparently gave you too much credit.

Now it's your turn. Please give chapter and verse where the Bible supplants the seventh day Sabbath and institutes the first day of the week (Sunday) in its place. If you can't find it, just say so.

Christ kept the seventh-day Sabbath!



---jerry6593 on 1/15/19


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Actually the 8th day is very significant. Circumcision was on the 8th day....and Colossians 2 show the deeper meaning of circumcision.

Many sabbaths were also on the 8th day...just look it up in the OT.

8 in scripture means NEW BEGINNINGS, as we see with Noah and family.

Just as the number 7 is significant, so is 8.

I'm sure pagan copied a lot from the Righteous, but that doesn't mean because pagans practiced it is pagan,,,like some insist the Trinity is pagan.
---kathr4453 on 1/14/19


Nicole_Lacey:

LOL! I didn't even notice that I had made an ironic meta-comment (i.e. asking Jerry to "give it a rest" when the whole topic was about the day of rest).

He can't answer on the other two blogs about this, because they're already full - which is why he created this third one. However, since he opened the door by asking the question anyway, it gives us the right to respond in kind.
---StrongAxe on 1/14/19


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Nicole: The week has no 8th day \\

Some pagan calendars DID have a week of 8 days, or even 10 days.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/14/19


StrongAxe, you are funny. How can you ask Jerry to give it a rest on the Sabbath topic, but ask him a question about the Sabbath topic?

He is going to answer you on this blog site. Not on the other 2 blogs already talking about the Sabbath.

BTW, I am aware I just used up part of the 75 limit response.

I couldn't resist.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/14/19


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Jerry, nice try, but these verses do NOT say that baptism is a commemoration of the Resurrection.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/14/19


jerry6593:

There have literally been two other blogs on this subject recently. This site specifically limits topics to 75 posts to prevent discussions from being continued ad nauseam, yet we've now had over 150 on this topic. Can't we give it a rest?

Tell me, How, exactly do YOU "keep the Sabbath holy"? Jewish law was quite specific about what was forbidden - no work, no commerce, no lighting fires, no travel. If you cook dinner, or drive to church, or even flip a light switch, by old testament law, you would have to be stoned to death.
---StrongAxe on 1/14/19


Jerry: The week has no 8th day//

EXACTLY!

Now stay with me and keep your mind opened.

There isn't any time with God. Time is part of creation and was made for man.

Man ages ONLY on earth, not in Heaven or Hell because there ISN'T any time.

So, by saying the 8th day it is our way of understanding Jesus' Resurrection effects eternity.

As Adam's sin caused death for eternity until Jesus' Resurrection.

The 8th day is OUT OF BOUNDS of the weekday system.

Denoting the DAY that LAST forever.

But here on earth we still have time so we do the best next thing by celebrating Jesus' Resurrection on the same day He Rose in anticipation of eternity with Jesus in the 8th day.

Understand?
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/14/19


Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Now, would someone please show me where the Bible supplants the seventh day Sabbath and institutes the first day of the week (Sunday)? BTW, sun worship is mentioned in the Bible.


Nicole: The week has no 8th day - Sunday is called the first day of the week, not the 8th.


---jerry6593 on 1/14/19


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Please give BCV where baptism as a memorial of the resurrection is taught, Jerry.

Contrary to what SDAs teach, paganism did NOT have a weekly day of worship.

But the Bible DOES say that you can believe a lie and be damned.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/13/19


As I said before it's the 8TH DAY because Jesus Rose AFTER the seventh day.

Jerry, Jesus proclaimed the New Kingdom of God.

Matthew 21:43

"Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.

BTW, where did you get that Baptism was for the MEMORIAL of the Resurrection?

As if their wasn't an Action taking place by the Holy Spirit in Baptism

My understanding was that Baptism REMOVED sin.

We baptizes as commanded of us in Matthew 28:19.

Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

To make Disciples in the New Kingdom of God.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/11/19


The Bible says the seventh day is a day of rest and to keep it holy. The scripture says nothing about going to church that day. The Jews did eventually go to synagogue that day. But there were no churches established by Adam and Eve. Sunday church is because of the resurrection for Christians.
---KarenD on 1/11/19


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