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What Is Sunday A Holy Day

Why do Christians consider Sunday as a holy day in memory of the resurrection when the Bible commands the keeping of the seventh day, and institutes baptism as the memorial of the resurrection?

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jerry6593:

You wrote: No it was not. Check the story in Acts 20, The meeting was Sat night after sundown (when the Jewish day begins), and Paul went on a long journey Sun morning at daybreak.

7. FIRST day of week, when disciples broke bread, paul preached until midnight. ...
9-10. Eutychus fell asleep, fell, and was raised.
11. They broke bread, talked a long time until daybreak, and Paul departed.

Please show the EXACT verse where it says that it mentions Saturday night in ANY context in thie chapter.

Also, if the Church accepted offerings on Sunday solely to avoid sabbath commerce, does SDA similarly forbid accepting offering on Saturday?
---StrongAxe on 1/18/19


ax" "Traditions can be good or bad."

Agreed! The Pharisees invented many "extra" burdens to be placed on the Sabbath. Jesus corrected them, in that he taught that it was OK to do good on the Sabbath, as in healing or picking corn for a quick lunch. He taught that we should keep the 10C Law - not traditions.

"Church meeting on Sunday was NT church tradition: Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2."

No it was not. Check the story in Acts 20, The meeting was Sat night after sundown (when the Jewish day begins), and Paul went on a long journey Sun morning at daybreak.

In 1Cor it shows the Jewish custom of doing the finances on Sun to avoid such secular tasks on Sabbath.


---jerry6593 on 1/18/19


Of all the peoples on earth, the Sabbath was not observed or even heard of except for the Jewish nation that came out of Egypt. And there is nothing in the ruling of the Jerusalem Council Acts 15 that mandated anything that was distinctly Jewish to be observed by Gentile converts. Sunday was observed by nearly all Gentile churches by the end of the first century and essentially became the Christian sabbath - not a legal law but a tradition only. Those that pitch observing the Jewish Sabbath are simply modern day Judaizers.
---RioLion on 1/17/19


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ax: I found your last post to be most honest, so I will answer some of your questions. First, I was gratified to hear you admit that Sunday keeping is not Biblical, but is based ONLY on tradition of men.\\

All of SDAism's traditions are the traditions of men.

To be more specific, a woman who was a demon-possessed madwoman.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/17/19


jerry6593 said, "Why do Christians consider Sunday as a holy day in memory of the resurrection when the Bible commands the keeping of the seventh day,"

First, The First Day replaced the Seventh Day see, Acts 20:7, 1 Cor 16:1-2.

Next, The sabbath was fulfilled in Christ Heb 4:1-910.
---john9346 on 1/17/19




Jerry: Your 8th day theory doesn't hold water. It does not last forever//

No, not now but in Heaven.

Since we go by time we celebrate the 8th day on the 1st day Sunday. Because FOR US Jesus actually Rose on a Sunday.

As those who are born on Feb 29th. They celebrate their birthdays on March 1st most of the time.

We celebrate Jesus' Resurrection the day after the Sabbath until we celebrate Him forever on the 8th day that never ends.

//The Bible does not say which day Jesus went to heaven.//

Luke 24:51, Acts 1:9. 40 days after His Resurrection. Acts 1:3 CC celebrates Ascension Thursday.

No time with Jesus.

He Rose on Sunday and went to Heaven on the same day.

We ONLY have time NOT Him.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/17/19


jerry6593:

Traditions can be good or bad. Jesus condemned Pharisee traditions BECAUSE they contradicted scripture (e.g. Korban), but Paul told his readers to hold fast the traditions they were taught. Jacob was promised Rachel, but Laban gave him Leah because it was tradition to marry the oldest first. Jacob accepted that without objection.

Church meeting on Sunday was NT church tradition: Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2.

Ex 20:8 says nothing about HOW. Other verses prohibit work, commerce, lighting fire, or travel. If you drive to church, eat out after church, cook, clean, or flip a light switch between Friday and Saturday night, you violate Biblical sabbath law.
---StrongAxe on 1/17/19


ax: I found your last post to be most honest, so I will answer some of your questions. First, I was gratified to hear you admit that Sunday keeping is not Biblical, but is based ONLY on tradition of men. Here is what God (and I) think of that:

Mar 7:7,9 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. ... Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

As for what it means to "keep" a day, the 4th Commandment states:

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to KEEP it holy.

The root of the word "holy" is to set apart for clean, consecrated religious service. It is the only day of the week so consecrated by God.


---jerry6593 on 1/17/19


Nicole: Now I ask you to listen with an open mind. Your 8th day theory doesn't hold water. It does not last forever or you would never go to work. Time is still relevant to us on earth, as eternity has not yet started. That begins in the Millennium when Jesus returns.

The Bible does not say which day Jesus went to heaven. Your insistence that this event occurred on Sunday belies your emphatic quote that He went on Friday, and His assurance to Mary that He had "not yet" ascended.

I submit the same challenge to you as to Cluny:

Please give BCV where the Bible supplants the seventh day Sabbath and institutes the first day of the week (Sunday) in its place. If you can't find it, just say so.


---jerry6593 on 1/16/19


Cluny: Some pagan calendars DID have a week of 8 days, or even 10 days.//

I am not denying that point.

But the Jewish people were using the 7 day week system as we do today.

And I also know the some Jewish people use a different amount of month system as well.

But, since the Christian Faith today is using the same number of days as the Jewish people in the Bible my statement still stands.

There isn't a 8 day in the week.

The Pagans also named the days of the week by their gods.

Saturday is their Saturn god as the planet.

Orthodox Jews do not refer the Sabbath day as Saturday.

We use the same names, but do not believe the names are gods.

BTW, I like your new signature notation
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/15/19




jerry6593:

You wrote: Please give chapter and verse where the Bible supplants the seventh day Sabbath and institutes the first day of the week (Sunday) in its place. If you can't find it, just say so.

I think it's been generally agreed that there is no such bible verse. Cluny points to 2000 years of post-biblical Christian tradition, which you seem to think counts for nothing.

Christ kept the seventh-day Sabbath!

I had previously asked you exactly how YOU keep the Sabbath (since you think it's very important to do so), but you have yet to answer that question.
---StrongAxe on 1/15/19


Excellent points, Kathr.

Esp this one: //8 in scripture means NEW BEGINNINGS, as we see with Noah and family.//

(That's why many of our baptismal fonts are octagonal shapes.)

Do you see Jerry? Noah and his family started fresh on the 8th day.

How much more when Jesus Rose on Sunday which isn't the first day, but the 8th day.

You can't go back but forward.

Jesus isn't starting over, but created a new day.

As Jesus told the thief on the cross:

Luke 23:43

And He said to him, "Truly I say to you, TODAY you shall be with Me in Paradise."

Now we know Jesus didn't go to Heaven on Friday or Saturday.

'Today' is the 8th day which lasts forever.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/14/19


Cluny: "Jerry, nice try, but these verses do NOT say that baptism is a commemoration of the Resurrection."

What? Were you unable to see the incontrovertible link between baptism and the crucifixion/resurrection of Christ? I apparently gave you too much credit.

Now it's your turn. Please give chapter and verse where the Bible supplants the seventh day Sabbath and institutes the first day of the week (Sunday) in its place. If you can't find it, just say so.

Christ kept the seventh-day Sabbath!



---jerry6593 on 1/15/19


Actually the 8th day is very significant. Circumcision was on the 8th day....and Colossians 2 show the deeper meaning of circumcision.

Many sabbaths were also on the 8th day...just look it up in the OT.

8 in scripture means NEW BEGINNINGS, as we see with Noah and family.

Just as the number 7 is significant, so is 8.

I'm sure pagan copied a lot from the Righteous, but that doesn't mean because pagans practiced it is pagan,,,like some insist the Trinity is pagan.
---kathr4453 on 1/14/19


Nicole_Lacey:

LOL! I didn't even notice that I had made an ironic meta-comment (i.e. asking Jerry to "give it a rest" when the whole topic was about the day of rest).

He can't answer on the other two blogs about this, because they're already full - which is why he created this third one. However, since he opened the door by asking the question anyway, it gives us the right to respond in kind.
---StrongAxe on 1/14/19


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Nicole: The week has no 8th day \\

Some pagan calendars DID have a week of 8 days, or even 10 days.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/14/19


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StrongAxe, you are funny. How can you ask Jerry to give it a rest on the Sabbath topic, but ask him a question about the Sabbath topic?

He is going to answer you on this blog site. Not on the other 2 blogs already talking about the Sabbath.

BTW, I am aware I just used up part of the 75 limit response.

I couldn't resist.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/14/19


Jerry, nice try, but these verses do NOT say that baptism is a commemoration of the Resurrection.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/14/19


jerry6593:

There have literally been two other blogs on this subject recently. This site specifically limits topics to 75 posts to prevent discussions from being continued ad nauseam, yet we've now had over 150 on this topic. Can't we give it a rest?

Tell me, How, exactly do YOU "keep the Sabbath holy"? Jewish law was quite specific about what was forbidden - no work, no commerce, no lighting fires, no travel. If you cook dinner, or drive to church, or even flip a light switch, by old testament law, you would have to be stoned to death.
---StrongAxe on 1/14/19


Jerry: The week has no 8th day//

EXACTLY!

Now stay with me and keep your mind opened.

There isn't any time with God. Time is part of creation and was made for man.

Man ages ONLY on earth, not in Heaven or Hell because there ISN'T any time.

So, by saying the 8th day it is our way of understanding Jesus' Resurrection effects eternity.

As Adam's sin caused death for eternity until Jesus' Resurrection.

The 8th day is OUT OF BOUNDS of the weekday system.

Denoting the DAY that LAST forever.

But here on earth we still have time so we do the best next thing by celebrating Jesus' Resurrection on the same day He Rose in anticipation of eternity with Jesus in the 8th day.

Understand?
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/14/19


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Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Now, would someone please show me where the Bible supplants the seventh day Sabbath and institutes the first day of the week (Sunday)? BTW, sun worship is mentioned in the Bible.


Nicole: The week has no 8th day - Sunday is called the first day of the week, not the 8th.


---jerry6593 on 1/14/19


Please give BCV where baptism as a memorial of the resurrection is taught, Jerry.

Contrary to what SDAs teach, paganism did NOT have a weekly day of worship.

But the Bible DOES say that you can believe a lie and be damned.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/13/19


As I said before it's the 8TH DAY because Jesus Rose AFTER the seventh day.

Jerry, Jesus proclaimed the New Kingdom of God.

Matthew 21:43

"Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.

BTW, where did you get that Baptism was for the MEMORIAL of the Resurrection?

As if their wasn't an Action taking place by the Holy Spirit in Baptism

My understanding was that Baptism REMOVED sin.

We baptizes as commanded of us in Matthew 28:19.

Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

To make Disciples in the New Kingdom of God.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/11/19


The Bible says the seventh day is a day of rest and to keep it holy. The scripture says nothing about going to church that day. The Jews did eventually go to synagogue that day. But there were no churches established by Adam and Eve. Sunday church is because of the resurrection for Christians.
---KarenD on 1/11/19


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