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Penalty For Sin Is Death

The penalty for sin is death. Why do you think a loving God imposed this penalty?

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Kathr, you don't understand as evident that you will NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION.

Here's the question:

Since YOU believe Mary wasn't and never was sinless.

HOW did Jesus receive a sinless BODY from Mary to offer to His Father?

The ONLY direct DNA in Jesus came from Mary.

//Again you take away from the Lord who gives NEW LIFE....Mary does not...//

Who said that? Not me!

I said this:

***Mary is the TRUE mother of the living NOT Eve.

(So you deny that Mary isn't Jesus' mother?)

***Only those in Jesus are alive.

(Are you denying that statement?)

***Those born to Eve DIED.---Nicole_Lacey on 2/11/19

Did not everyone born from Eve DIE without any hope to live FOREVER?
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/12/19


Your words apply them to you: "Where did you get the delusion that I'm not sharing The Truth of The Gospel? - well, clear it is for those who are Born Again to understand it and apply it into their spiritual hearts - but for someone like you: It's that you prefer to put It aside by giving reverence to the adulterous writings of a religion that from beginning of time, has been teaching abominations and exactly what THE LORD calls it: The mother of harlots, and abominations of the earth". Revelation 17:5
The more that you denied GOD'S WORD -the greater your risk of 'the falling away' of your eternal soul!
---Melody on 2/12/19

\\Mary is the Mother of Jesus in the flesh who died. \\

Not quite, kathr.

The fully Incarnate Word, fully God and fully man in one Person came forth from her.

In His divine nature, He "borrowed death" from His human nature to save us.

But books have been written on this subject, and it cannot be adequately treated in 125 words.

Glory to Jesus Christ!!
---Cluny on 2/12/19

Nicole, no, that is stretching the truth to be what you want it to be. In Adam all die. Eve was in Adam , and so is Mary, you and me. And IN CHRIST ALONE will one be made alive. we are made alive IN CHRIST when we identify with Him in death and that then results in being raised up together with HIM a New Creature. Jesus, the last Adam is that life giving Spirit.

Mary is the Mother of Jesus in the flesh who died.

I'm afraid it's you Nicole who does not understand.

I know what you are teaching, but you have it all wrong. Again you take away from the Lord who gives NEW LIFE....Mary does not.
---kathr4453 on 2/12/19

Kathr: No scripture shows that Mary was anything exceptional except that as prophesied she was from the line of Judah through David's side//

You don't understand because you are confused about Scripture.

OT prefigures the New. Now try to keep your mind open and REMEMBER that Mary DIDN'T do anything to you.

Go to Genesis 3:20
The man called his wife's name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.

Now go to Matthew 1:16
...and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, and Mary was the mother of Jesus who is called the Messiah.

Do you understand?

Mary is the TRUE mother of the living NOT Eve.

Only those in Jesus are alive.

Those born to Eve DIED.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/11/19

Melody, then you answer the question.

You can't because you won't believe the Holy Spirit gave Her Spouse Knowledge of Truth.

Strange? You think the Holy Spirit speaks to you, but not the Church.

How did Jesus receive a SINLESS Body FULLY Human in order to offer to His Father?

Not how He kept it Sinless, but made Mary's Body sinless before passing it to Himself.

The CORRECT translation of Luke 1:28 is:

And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, FULL OF GRACE, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

Meaning, God infused her with so much Grace at her conception even the Angel doesn't greet her by her name but TITLE.

Only person in the Bible NOT greeted by name but title.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/11/19

Also Nicole and the RCC or whatever fail to see the end of Revelation that Jesus is the offspring of DAVID...yes, and of the seed of Abraham. The seed as in one is Christ. No scripture shows that Mary was anything exceptional except that as prophesied she was from the line of Judah through David's side. Also Mary's geanology takes her all the way back to Adam showing her lineage through humans...not gods.

I do believe there are pagan beliefs in Madonna and Son , re Zeus etc that may be where they get the part about Mary not in scripture.
---kathr4453 on 2/11/19

Catholics falsely teach 'Mary as full of grace, 'means sinless, but that phrase is found only twice in the Bible, and neither time is it in reference to Mary. Jesus is said to be full of grace (John 1:14), and so is Stephen (Acts 6:8).

We know Stephen was not considered sinless, therefore the phrase does not mean one is sinless.

There are several verses stating Jesus was without sin. No such verses are said about Mary.
---kath4453 on 2/11/19

I'm sure the Savior loves hearing you trash talk His Mother, Melody.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/11/19


Yes, not only your 'own imagination' is making things up about Mary being without the original sin - but in this you, are in grave spiritual danger, for in that, THE ONE you are contradicting is THE LORD HIMSELF: Mary was a sinner just like anyone of us, but chosen because of her love to GOD - and after giving birth to THE LORD JESUS CHRIST - she married Joseph of which she had 4 more sons - she didn't remained a virgin, so still you are engrossed in this blasphemous doctrine and for you and others to venerate her as an idol - if the true Mary could come down - she would exhort you to repent away from your idolatries and blasphemous beliefs that only leading you to separation from GOD - repent before THE LORD now!
---Melody on 2/10/19

Forgiven and covered are addressed to all those sinners SAVED by their faith in Jesus Christ.

Nicole, what Joseph Smith taught is also not in the Bible. What JW's teach much is also not in the Bible. What we do know is we consider these CULTS. What makes you any different?

You are free to believe any cultish belief you want Nicole. maybe Mary was made out of Marshmellows too.

Who ever was to be the chosen virgin would be someone favored and blessed, but it still does not say AND GOD WAVED HIS MAGIC WANT AND MARY BECAME SINLESS AS GOD IS SINLESS.
I think that would be important enough to put in scripture.
---kathr4453 on 2/11/19

Kathr, "no scripture" says Mary was protected from original sin. You cannot find any scripture stating so.//

I am NOT bound by your made up rule that isn't in the Bible. Thus meaning you are NOT even following your own RULE.

But want me to keep that rule.


//God said all that was needed was a virgin birth//


"All that's needed" ???

Where's that in the Bible?

//He never asked YOU all to over think it, and come up with your own plan.//

The Immaculate Conception ISN'T interchangeable words with the Virginal Conception.

You are mistaken.

Jesus' Maternal grandparents are involved in the Immaculate Conception, but not in the Virginal Conception.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/10/19

Luke 1:28 - And having come in, the angel said to her, Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you, Blessed are you among women.

Romans 4:7 - Blessed are those lawless deeds are forgiven, And who sins are covered:
---RichardC on 2/10/19

Sorry Nicole, but "no scripture" says Mary was protected from original sin. You cannot find any scripture stating so. Only your IMAGINATION.

God said all that was needed was a virgin birth where the Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary then that's all God required. He never asked YOU all to over think it, and come up with your own plan. It's blasphemy to add to Gods word, or doubt His word.

It simply shows your Jesus is not the Jesus of scripture. And your Mary Is not the Mary of scripture.
---kathr4453 on 2/10/19

StrongAXE: The church Peter founded was *IN* Rome, not Jerusalem.//

What? Who told you that?

1. Peter DIDN'T start ANY Church.

Jesus started the Catholic Church and PUT Peter in Charge of His Church

2. Acts states Peter lived in Jerusalem.

3. Paul NOT Peter wrote an epistle to Roman.

History states Peter DIED in Rome. We know that Peter was the Bishop of Rome. As Pope Francis today.

As James the Lesser was the Bishop of Jerusalem

2. Many Bishops everywhere but only ONE Pope who ALSO is the Bishop of Rome.

Trump lives in Washington DC, but he is still President for the rest of America.

Trump is over each State's Governors in who live in their own State's Capital.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/10/19

Yes David, Kathr and Melody's arguments happened months ago. In the 'View Recent blogs' I just can't remember which ones

Kathr: God did have a clean body. Jesus was that body.//

That's my point!

//no scripture making such statements about Mary.//

HELLO? Matt 1:16 Luke 1:35

Or do you take Luke 3:38 literally?

Jesus' ONLY DNA came from Mary.

So, you have to address HOW Mary's body became clean.

If God created Adam and Eve clean He can protect Mary from the original sin.

//It's all made up//

BTW, you want to discuss MADE UP RULES?

'Sola Scriptura' business.

Which isn't in the Bible.

NO WHERE in the Bible states 'ONLY believe matters that are in the Bible.'
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/10/19

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The Treaty of Tripoli, which has the force of law, says that the government of the USA is in no way founded on the Christian faith.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/5/19

Strongaxe, you can't. I have no clue what was in Melody's head when she said that. I'm not the only one she did that to. Those who disagree with her. And somehow she thinks when she is being rebuked you are guilty of all sorts of horrible things.

It was her first post where she plagerized word for word CAP FOR CAP, from a website called Cops for CHrist, also claiming from that sight an erroneous page ( they now deleted) that America was founded on some treaty where the trinity was stated proving America was founded on Christianity. The treaty she sites , as did the web site, was made 50plus years prior between England and France. When I called her out on that OH MY would have thought I cursed God Himself.
---kathr4453 on 2/4/19


True, but that isn't the point. The church Peter founded was *IN* Rome, not Jerusalem. There were other churches founded in other places, e.g. Constantinopole, Antioch, India. Separate names were sometimes needed to distinguish which was intended, when there was an ambiguity. Saying "Jesus's church" or "The Church of Jerusalem" wouldn't solve this. "The Church of Rome" and "The Church of Constantinopole" would.

Paul got *HIS* commission on the Damascus road, yet all the churches *HE* founded in Asia Minor were named on the cities they were founded in, not Damascus (see Revelation, and all Paul's letters).


How do you "delete" someone here?
---StrongAxe on 2/4/19


We all fail on making our own wrong assumptions, but why after I sent you my message clarifying your misunderstanding where you put Kathryn and me as being the same person - you ignored my honesty and you still trying to figure out what's going on in your mind in respect to our similarities.

Next time when you look at our own writings, just see the difference where the caps are placed: The only time that I use them, it's to give glory and reverence to THE LORD'S NAME - nothing else - she uses them often to emphasize whatever she sees important to do so, but main thing: Myself I won't be sending messages to anyone in an offensive or demeaning way as she does - so put aside this subject away and blessings!
---Melody on 2/4/19

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Matthew 19:17 - And he said unto him, Why call me good? there is none good But One , that is God. But if thou wilt enter into life , keep the commandments

1 Peter 2:22 - Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:

John 10:30 - I and my father are one,
---RichardC on 2/3/19


Regardless of where Jesus gave Peter the keys to the Kingdom, Peter actually established a congregation in Rome. The Vatican is in Rome, and most of the Popes have lived there. How is acknowledging that fact derogatory?
---StrongAxe on 2/3/19

David, Kathr and Melody had huge debate on one blog for several days. Then Melody threaten have her kicked off CN.---Nicole_Lacey

Read, The Penalty for Sin is Death Question, on 1/28/19. Notice what happens after I expose her sham to Cluny on the 28th. Before the 28th, have you ever seen them argue as Kathryn claims in her rebuttal?

The argument was meant as cover, after I exposed her. In the argument that ensued, they appear to become bitter enemies, exactly as Kathryn portrayed her relationship with Melody on the 28th.

Now if the argument you speak of happened before this, I am wrong. Did it happen before the 28th?
---David on 2/3/19

Nicole, God did have a clean body. Jesus was that body. And there is no scripture making such statements about Mary. It's all made up, taking verses out of context embellishing them. For one, there are no OT prophecies concerning the virgin that she was also sinless. If there was, then those scriptures would have been brought out at the time she was accused of immorality. With Jesus, it was prophecied He would be born of a virgin. Isaiah 7:14. Not a sinless virgin.

I also believe scripture says the sin of the Father is passed down. The FATHER here is sinless. That's the whole point. If you make Eve something she's not it actually diminishes the FATHER.
---kathr4453 on 2/3/19

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David, Kathr and Melody had huge debate on one blog for several days. Then Melody threaten have her kicked off CN.

Even though Kathr LOVED to call me crazy, I know she isn't crazy enough to argue with herself for days.

Kathr: Mary like you and me came from Adam.//

Of course. How else can Jesus redeem us?

Jesus needed a Body. But it had to be a CLEAN Body.

He couldn't offer a blemish sacrifice to His Father.

Read Malachi esp. 1:14

//Catholic or Roman started with ROME, and the Roman Popes.//


See StrongAxe?

That's why it's a derogatory name

Everyone knows Jesus wasn't in Rome when He gave Peter the Keys of the Kingdom of Heaven and earth.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/2/19

Nicole, Gods Word is also His promises. He can't change them, or alter them. The wages of sin is death. In Adams all die. Mary like you and me came from Adam. she is not fully God fully man, or in her case woman. Catholic or Roman started with ROME, and the Roman Popes. If you are a break off from the Roman Catholic Church...fine, but the doctrine came with the Roman Catholic Doctrine a long long time ago, even before Columbus or whoever discovered America.

David, I addressed Melody the first time she posted several months ago, and she DELETED me because I confronted her. She also says we are not the same.

Your analogy here is as flawed as your scriptural analogies, again flawed.
---kathr4453 on 2/2/19

Sin and sinners are out of harmony with God's way of love. To protect His kingdom sin and sinners must die the eternal 2nd death. Only those prepared to follow God ways and have accepted Jesus death instead of their eternal 2nd death wil be happy for all eternity.
---Therese on 2/2/19

How do you "know" Melody and kathr are the same person?--StrongAxe

Its a combination of things in her writing style, things no one else does. They use the same phrases from time to time. They both multi-post. They dont engage each other on any blog question, at least not until after I called her on it. They both like to capitalize multiple words. When one drops in on a blog question, the other seems to drops a tag team.

Too much to list. You really need to look back at all the questions they have engaged in. Notice they never engage each other before 1/28/19. You only see them argue after that time.
---David on 2/2/19

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Kathr: God cannot do anything He wants if it goes against His words.//

His words is the WORD.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Matt 26:39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.

//Why are you always changing the subject to your ROMAN CATHOLIC doctrine?//

I NEVER personally heard their doctrines before.

It's seems MANY on CN knows this religion and her doctrines.

You all need to debate their doctrines among yourselves.


Any questions about HER Doctrines I will be happy to explain.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/2/19

Nicole,If Mary were sinless, she never would have died..that's right. Mary would be like Adam was before the fall, and would never have seen death. Now Jesus was made flesh to die, IN OUR PLACE, so He took our sin and died for sin. Mary did not take our sin upon her.

Mary was also waiting in the upper room for the promise of the Holy Spirit. Again if she were sinless...she never would have had to wait like the others.

But again Nicole, the subject was not about Mary or Jesus. Why are you always changing the subject to your ROMAN CATHOLIC doctrine?
---kathr4453 on 2/1/19

Also Nicole, God cannot do anything He wants if it goes against His words. IN ADAM ALL DIE. There is no exception to that truth. Mary was in Adam. In Christ will all be made alive. Mary was made alive IN CHRIST after Jesus died and rose again.

God CANNOT go against His word or his truths. God also CANNOT LIE. And no scripture says, In Adam all die EXCEPT Mary.

Just because you cannot understand the virgin birth, doesn't mean you are free to make up stuff so that it's easier for your frail human mind to grasp. God never said you have to understand it...He said, just Believe it.

I know Melody yells at you a lot , but her not being able to explain things, but would rather curse at you, is not of God.
---kath4453 on 2/1/19

Kathr: no one is sinless in this lifetime.//

God can do ANYTHING!

You not believing that Mary is sinless means you think it's impossible for God to infuse enough Grace into a person to prevent him or her from sinning.

My God CAN and DID!

Besides, you do not understand Salvation History.

Jesus CAN'T use a tinted Body for a PERFECT Sacrifice to His Father.

//Sinless people don't just make mistakes//

1. Making mistakes isn't commenting a sin.

2. Being sinless is a gift from God.

I have never kill anyone. That's because God gave me the Grace not to kill anyone.


Mistake: tripping and spilling your wine on the rug. WOOPS

Sin: Pouring your wine on the rug.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/1/19

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Who's Kathryn?

So glad they are not talking about me. Who are they talking about?
---kathr4453 on 2/1/19

Melody, everyone on here believes they are speaking on behalf of God. You are no didfferent than David, Cluny, Monk, Nicole Strong Axe, John etc. However, unlike all others here, you feel you are superior to others in that you cannot be challenged or even rebuked ....where that alone is the root of everyone's issues with you. YOU ARE NOT GOD, and can be rebuked and corrected.

Much of what you say is not sound doctrine....its RELIGIOUS rethoric. Please know the difference.

Just because Putin and the Russian Orthodox hates sodomites , does not make them absolute truth holders or truth tellers. And Gods wrath is coming on Russia even if they do murder all sodomites.
---kath4453 on 2/1/19


We're all for sharing God's truth. Please do so, by quoting scripture that's actually from God's word, instead of just accusing people of violating it and "twisting scripture". Whenever you have a problem with what somebody says, please tell us EXACTLY what it is that you have a problem with, and show, from scripture, just how what scripture they are contradicting. Please show just which scripture you think they are twisting, and how they are twisting it. How can anyone fix a problem if you keep refusing to tell them what it is?


How do you "know" Melody and kathr are the same person? I would love to hear this!
---StrongAxe on 2/1/19


You are wrong about that - I'm all for myself on my Christian beliefs (and glad of that) and if you read carefully about our writings, Kathryn has been from the beginning accusing me and offending me of this and that and why? - because "I dare" to say it like it is in reference to GODS WORD and against false and idolatrous doctrines and the twisting of The Scriptures . . . one very important thing in communicating the Christian way is 'yes' - sharing GODS'TRUTH and exposing the darkness of heretic doctrines - and another to insult and demean like she and others here do . . . where's the Christian Spirit there?
---Melody on 2/1/19

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Please! I for one have found it difficult to read these blogs as all you do is rebuke and rebuke, without showing book chapter and verse when you are busy rebuking.

The argument between Melody and Kathryn all started when I discovered they were one and the same person, and called her on it. Instead of admitting to it, she is pretending to have an argument with Melody to cover her tracks. Personally I think she is doing a good job just keeping up the charade.

I tell you this because I dont want you to worry about them. I admit, it would be a horrid argument, if they were not the same person.
---David on 2/1/19

Revelation 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lambs book of life.

Sin will not be allowed to enter in to the New Heaven and earth. Sin was allowed to enter into the Garden. Sin and death are conquered only THROUGH Jesus Christ.

Jesus is head of the New Creation. Only those written in the Lambs book of life will one day live in THIS sinless places where there will be no more death.
---kathr4453 on 2/1/19

Death is the penalty for sin because those who live in and love sin. Could not stand to live in heaven. It would be torture to them.

Also sin has to be stopped. Sin and sinners will cease to exist.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/31/19

SO Now know Melody/David has to have the last say, it's in their DNA. Monk, did you have to poke the bear?

Melody/ David, again a second time, for your information....that is not how I spell my name. Presumptuousness is a sin.
---kathr4453 on 1/31/19

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If you have Wisdom, just read about the subject and you'll recognize what I'm talking about (the problem that many of you, are avoiding it and in that, use it to come against me- and even when I have quoted from GOD'S WORD) - your problem . . . "Decide WHOM you are going to serve now" . . . period!
---Melody on 1/31/19

Melody said, "End of discussion!"

Please! I for one have found it difficult to read these blogs as all you do is rebuke and rebuke, without showing book chapter and verse when you are busy rebuking.
---Monk_Brendan on 1/31/19


End of discussion!
---Melody on 1/30/19

kathr, the sins of Sodom are clearly defined in Ezekiel 16:49.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/30/19

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Secondly Melody, I don't believe it's our place to condemn anyone. We're here to preach the GOOD NEWS. When I witness, to sodomites, I just show them they are sinners just like you and me. I show them that ALL HUMANS have fallen short of the Glory of God, and Jesus died for all our sin. And then through the Word of God, the Holy Spirit convicts of sin. Then if perchance they do accept Jesus , the LORD will work in their life AS HE SEES FIT, AND IN THE ORDER HE SEES FIT to begin to transform one to be conformed to the Image of Jesus Christ. That's Gods work.

You however condemn and cut off their ears first, where I bet you have never led anyone to the Lord..especially a sodomite.
---kath4453 on 1/30/19

Monk, I believe until we have been Changed, in the twinkling of an eye, where and when we have once and for all put on the incorruptable we are still capable of sin. As long as we live in this corrupt world, and as long as we are in these lowely bodies, yes, we can sin.

It's possible you didn't understand what I said. No scripture states under any circumstances that sin dies if we live under the law. Scripture teaches if we walk in the Spirit, we don't sin. Sin has no more power over us. We can open the door to it, often out of ignorance or immaturity, but will always be convicted and seek forgivness and cleansing.

Romans 6-8 does not teach sinless perfection. No scripture does.
---kathr4453 on 1/30/19


Enough of your criticism - keep it! . . . for one thing is reading The Bible and another understanding what THE LORD is telling us and HIS ADMONITIONS!

You are contradicting GOD'S WORD that from the very beginning mentions how abominable is what this country and others around the world have made it laws - this is trampling and in total rebellion against GOD'S HOLINESS AND PRECEPTS -where many are - just as Sodom and Gomorrah - of course all sins are condemned by GOD and individually everyone will be judged - but another - for the nations to make it law to push those with no conscience and even the innocents into perdition - yes . . . in judgment they are those who promote/accept such depravation!
---Melody on 1/30/19

.......I repeat to you: This nation and the world is under judgment because of this reprobate 'laws' and if repentance doesn't come soon - greater and terrible one is coming - your own wrong assumptions brought about the twisting of my message and so in ignore they are!
---Melody on 1/29/19

This is what I meant about English not being your first language, or possibly you just never learned proper grammer and sentence structure, usually coming from someone where English is not their native language. It's not an insult Melody...just an observation.
---kathr4453 on 1/30/19

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kathr4453 said, "All those IN CHRIST who have died to sin, and are the righteousness of CHRIST alone are FREED FROM SIN. No law teaches if you keep it sin dies. Not even Jesus taught this."

Okay, here is a question: Do you believe it is possible to sin AFTER you have been born again?

If so, then you will find that this idea is nowhere taught in the Bible.
---Monk_Brendan on 1/30/19

Melody, What about England for example? I believe the wrath of God is coming on the whole world one day, and it has nothing specifically to do with sodomites.

You see, I don't believe God categorized sin in best to worse. ALL SIN no matter what is hideous in Gods eyes. GREED, LUST, etc. all sexual immorality. There is a list of many things that those who practice will not enter the Kingdom of God.

Also America is Not Gods new chosen people, and there is no Gospel of America Melody, that singles us out above any other.

Also Abraham prayed for God to spare S & on the other hand are probably praying for distruction....
---kathr4453 on 1/30/19


All the constant writing you do about The Scriptures and you coming against me for me 'condemning sodomites'? - are you saying that THE LORD'S IS WRONG in seeing that as an abomination? - I repeat again to you: "Everything shall pass away, but not MY WORD - says THE LORD" - and even if under your insensitivity that doesn't pertain to a true Christian - you accuse me of false doctrines - I repeat to you: This nation and the world is under judgment because of this reprobate 'laws' and if repentance doesn't come soon - greater and terrible one is coming - your own wrong assumptions brought about the twisting of my message and so in ignore they are!
---Melody on 1/29/19

You are not fooling anyone, you and Melody are the same person. If youre going to continue this charade, everyone should realize they are talking to you.
---David on 1/30/19

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I'm not sure David would put that thought to it Nicole. David is not open minded in listening to others. You however will.

David claims the blood of Jesus AND the law will cause sin to die. There is not one verse in all of scripture, not even Jesus makes that statement.

Romans 6 WE DIE TO SIN
Romans 8, if we walk in the Spirit we won't feed the lust of the flesh.

Galatians 5:22-25 again tell us this very truth. Yet David scoffs at SCRIPTURE, not me, saying the opposite, and getting downright nasty with his opposition.

That's not sinless, that's evil.
---kathr4453 on 1/30/19

Nicole, also no one is sinless in this lifetime. To make such a claim is to claim you are a god. Firstly, to be sinless would mean EVERY WORD out of David's mouth would be ABSOLUTE TRUTH. I find that claim to be almost blasphemy. To say anything not absolute truth would be either a lie, a falsehood, wrong etc....showing it to be incompatible with being sinless. Sinless people don't just make mistakes....fallible humans do. You can't claim sinlessness and then excuse yourself under a WOOPS, I made a mistake. But I don't see David admitting he could be wrong. A very dangerous mindset to have. That's the sin of thinking more highly of yourself than you ought. Every way David turns, his own words have exposed his falsehoods.
---kath4453 on 1/30/19

Kathr: David said he,Nicole and Steveng are kindred spirits. Whatever that means??? I find issue with all... Nicole...yes, no one needs to further assess here,//

Kathr, you are so funny. Thanks for the laugh.

Good one!

But I understand David's meaning as that we are not closed minded that we can not listen to others.

We don't pretend we don't understand their view point.

Just because I am not a JW or a Protestant doesn't mean I disagree with EVERYTHING said from either.

Anywho, your statement about me gave me a great laugh.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/29/19

Melody, you have a short memory or you have forgotten our first encounter where you made a false statement, I showed came from a treaty between England and France...not England and America. Your using a bogus treaty to prove America was founded on Christianity , that you don't believe in the separation of Church and State is why you first came on CN condemning sodomites .....and how God is going to destroy America because of the sodomites. REMEMBER??? one day America will be destroyed but it will be end times and worshiping antiChrist will be the reason....unless you are saying antiChrist is a sodomite.
You teach Kingdom Now FALSE DOCTRINE. And because of that its why you proclaim judgement on everyone.
---kathr4453 on 1/29/19

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Also Melody, you are either trying to be pretentious in your choice of words, or you are having a hard time choosing the correct English word with complete sentence structure.

If you think your choice of words makes you sound holier than thou, it doesn't. If English is your second language and you are having a hard time expressing it...that is a different story.

Now Strongaxe and Nicole also use CAPS, so there ya go David...we are all the same person. TEE HEE HEE!
---kath4453 on 1/29/19

So Kathrn: Explain to me why do you have difficulty understanding me and what's the false doctrine I talk about and of me being judgmental - of which you accuse me of? - you cannot prove that, as everything that I have said is based in GOD'S WORD!

It's disgusting that since I joined this site - many here all they do - is coming against each other - 'what a Christian Fellowship' - sad it is!
---Melody on 1/28/19

Its too obvious to deny. I thought it was very clever. Got a chuckle out of me.
---David on 1/29/19

David again just gave away his inability to read and understand that Melody appears to be someone who's second language is English. Also many phrases Melody uses I've never said. I have difficulty understanding Melody, but most of all, I called her out over some false doctrine and being so Judgemental .

So again, David is batting ZERO. So, being SINLESS as you claim David, and bearing false witness show you are a PHONY BOLOGNA. LOL.

Oh gee, David and David8318 have the same first name....I bet they are the same person.....ha ha.
---kathr4453 on 1/28/19

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Notice the multiple replies from Melody and all the whole words she capitalizes. Who else does that but Kathryn? They even use the same phrases. FYI, Kathryn and Melody are the same person.
---David on 1/28/19

Gods Law and the blood of Jesus Christ are the cure for the disease we carry. Sin must die, and without the Law...this will never happen.
(Romans 7:9) For I was alive APART from the law once, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died

Sin will live, in those who remain apart from the Law.
---David on 1/26/19

The Bible never teaches that sin will die or must die. WE DIE to sin. Totally different.

All those IN CHRIST who have died to sin, and are the righteousness of CHRIST alone are FREED FROM SIN. No law teaches if you keep it sin dies. Not even Jesus taught this.

This is total foolishness coming from a novice unbeliever claiming to be an EXPERT on the word of God.

---kathr4453 on 1/28/19

David using a verse he doesn't understand Which says the opposite of what he is saying. Paul said he died....he never said sin died.

Also the reason sin was REVIVED, is because the law points to sin, exposes sin IN OUR FLESH. our old Adam, our old man will ALWAYS BE SIN , and no law can eradicate our fallen sin nature. Sin will ALWAY have POWER over those who rely on the Law to subdue the flesh, but never puts our flesh to death.

Our identification with Jesus in death and resurrection life is the ONLY WAY sin is dealt with.

David calls me a false teacher for showing you really saying Paul is a false teacher. It's all in Romans 6-8. Just read it as Paul wrote it. The Holy Spirit will TEACH YOU its truths.
---kath4453 on 1/28/19

You said: "My dear friend who was S. Baptist and loved THE LORD" - and later you said:
"though she followed a false doctrine" . . . if you are talking about the Baptist denomination - wrong you are in your assumptions\\

YOu do the same things with other people on these blogs, Melody.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/28/19

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David said he,Nicole and Steveng are kindred spirits. Whatever that means??? I find issue with all. Steveng stating that Jesus is not God, Nicole...yes, no one needs to further assess here, and David, who spent endless hours defending a JW's stance on why they believe Michael the archangel is Jesus. WHY? Strange bedfellows.

But to accuse both Protestants and Catholics, really make me wonder what David is? Mormon? JW? What? Even Steveng, who denies the deity of Christ hates all denominations. Its all very strange. Yet they boast to be the ultimate truth in all things. Believe it or not...THIS IS HOW CULTS OPERATE, along with spiritual abuse, that is so prevelant with David's posts.
---kathr4453 on 1/28/19


And in Christian sensitivity I should share: THE LORD says: "Above all things acquire Wisdom" - the One that comes from HIM!

You contradict yourself and that by your own words - for you are against false doctrines - good - as THE LORD is and under HIS JDUGMENT they are - but then *accept your errors* - you mention GOD'S LOVE to someone that openly have been betraying Christianity with her own propagating of glorifying of the most sacrilegious and offensive doctrine there is and even putting it's leaders at the same level as THE LORD HIMSELF: How come you cannot see that and ambivalent you are to the respect???
---Melody on 1/28/19


In this life, just as we mature through the years physically and emotionally, most essential and above all things is our spiritual one and that only comes from GOD'S SPIRIT giving us the Wisdom and HIS OWN DISCERNMENT to reach that - of course it takes faith and willingness as well: About the Baptist church - are you also in disapproval of that denomination? . . . my own testimonial and thankful for THE LORD for HIS LEADING in joining that Evangelical Church for through that, my family and I came to the right knowledge of The Bible, salvation and commitment unto THE LORD - forever I'll be grateful for that - attending services and Sunday School it was such a blessing to me since early childhood - so please don't generalize!
---Melody on 1/28/19


Thanks for sharing your thoughts but on what we should stay firm and under THE LORD'S DISCERNMENT is The Scriptures for in that our right spiritual guidance depends: You mentioned two denominations of which you don't approve of- be careful on that - because there's one great difference between them, as you have to accept the word Protestant comes (and rightfully so) from getting away from a religion that from centuries have been adulterating GOD'S WORD to separate the souls from salvation and that's through pagan idolatrous teachings and of which GOD'S JUDGMENT is against!
---Melody on 1/28/19

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I have a special place in my heart for all Christians. I have a special hate for false doctrines, those which keep those Christians from Gods promises. I dont even blame the teachers of these doctrines, for they believe in their Truth.

There is only one Truth, and one way, and yet we have many doctrines from which to choose. The odds are against us, choosing the right one. If you truly love God, and you are on the wrong path, he will draw you towards the right path.

I oppose Catholic and Protestant teachings, not Catholic and Protestant believers. There are some folks here on CN who love the Lord, and some who love their doctrine. Though I teach against them, there are those who are open minded. Who opened their minds?
---David on 1/28/19


You said: "My dear friend who was S. Baptist and loved THE LORD" - and later you said:
"though she followed a false doctrine" . . . if you are talking about the Baptist denomination - wrong you are in your assumptions - you are contradicting your own words - for if she loved THE LORD from the beginning of your statement - you only given credit of her being Born Again after your talks with her and of loving THE LORD thereafter - the Baptist denomination is not a false doctrine for they rely and teach the True WORD OF GOD - not like the heretical ones that openly transgressing against THE LORD FIRST COMMANDMENT: "I AM A JEALOUS GOD - you shall not have 'any other god's before ME" . . .
---Melody on 1/27/19

Thanks again for your affirmation. It means a great deal to me.

I once had a very dear friend, who was a southern Baptist and loved the Lord, who died of Breast Cancer. I visited her twice before she died. In my first visit she was terrified of dying. In my second, she was full of joy and couldnt wait to be with the Lord.

Though she followed a false doctrine, the change I saw, made it very clear to me, she had been born again. In this knowledge, the Lord reminded me, he knows who loves him. And this is why we are chosen.

Nicole, I can clearly see the love of God is in you too.
---David on 1/27/19

David: Gods Law and the blood of Jesus Christ are the cure for the disease we carry.//

Indeed, Indeed.

Best Antidote
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/26/19

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Nothing unholy can enter Heaven. Nicole_Lacey on 1/24/19

Very insightful Nicole.
Sin is a disease, like the plague that killed millions of people.

Sin must die, so we do not carry this disease into Heaven. This is why a man must be born again,.....if he wants to enter the kingdom of God. God does not want a repeat, of the disobedience which caused the war in Heaven. (Revelation 12:7)

Gods Law and the blood of Jesus Christ are the cure for the disease we carry. Sin must die, and without the Law...this will never happen.
(Romans 7:9) For I was alive APART from the law once, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died

Sin will live, in those who remain apart from the Law.
---David on 1/26/19

Cluny, are you saying God isn't the source of life?
God taking away His Spirit from us is the same thing as killing us.

Gen 2:16-17 And the LORD God commanded the man, You are free to eat from any tree in the garden, but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.

Not only that God made it impose for Adam and Eve to eat from the Tree of Life.

Gen 3:24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to GUARD the way to the tree of life.

BTW, if the parent had the foresight of KNOWING the child would get electrified it would be the same thing as God and death.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/25/19

God did not say, "If you do this, I will kill you."

It is just as a parent telling a toddler, "Don't stick your finger in the outlet or socket. You'll get hurt." The child does so, anyway. The parent did not impose the electric shock as punishment for disobedience. His intention was to protect the child from harm.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/25/19

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