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Denominational leaders of today are like the Scribes and Pharisees of Jesus' time who weigh people down with religious baggage regarding rules and practices about food and rituals and days of worship that they become burdens. But when we listen to and obey the things Jesus said, He lifts off all that dead weight and allows us to enter into His rest (sabbath). (See Hebrews 4:1-11) & #65279,

The ultimate commandment of God is love - as in the verb form. Unfortunately, love has practically evaporated from the face of this world.
---Steveng on 2/13/19


Steveng: The pope also said that the bible is a highly dangerous book//

Jules Germain | Oct 17, 2015
In prologue to new youth bible,...he counsels young people on the best approach to reading the Bible so it brings the Light of the World into their lives and doesn't end up on a shelf. It is, he reminds readers, a DANGEROUS BOOK IN CERTAIN PARTS OF THE WORLD: OWNING ONE CAN LEAD TO JAIL OR TORTURE. And he quotes Mahatma Gandhi, who said, You Christians have in your hands a book containing enough dynamite to shatter all civilization.***

Strange how you didn't FINISH the Pope's words.

I will for you!

The Pope finished his statement with this:

Would you like to make me happy? READ THE BIBLE!

Pope Francis
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/13/19


Steveng:

Catholics do NOT worship the Pope. He is their leader, NOT their God. In your zeal to accuse and condemn ALL denominations (Catholic or not), you conveniently forget "Thou shalt not bear false witness". Remember who the Bible calls "The Accuser"? Look it up!

The Bible IS highly dangerous, as are other powerful things like cars and electricity. That doesn't mean we shouldn't use them, only use them with responsibility and discernment.

Look how many interpret it strangely to create thousands of outlandish doctrines and denominations based on those doctrines that YOU, YOURSELF hate!

As for "God's failure", read what Francis said without plucking two words out of context.
---StrongAxe on 2/13/19


Steveng, this is what the Pope said on 2015 Feast of the Holy Family:

"Instead of returning home with his family, he stayed in Jerusalem, in the Temple, causing great distress to Mary and Joseph who were unable to find him. For this little ESCAPADE, Jesus probably had to beg forgiveness of his parents. The Gospel doesn't say this, but I believe that we can presume it. Marys question, moreover, contains a certain reproach, revealing the concern and anguish which she and Joseph felt."

Asking for forgiveness DOESN'T mean you sinned.

Just as if you said to someone: You know because you didn't call me this morning, I waited all morning for you.

I say: Oh, please forgive me I thought you knew I wasn't coming over.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/13/19


Let me put it this way: Pope Francis is working for Satan.

You so-called "catholics" are being lead by a false prophet who is taking you to hell. You worship the pope than Jesus. For instance, Pope Francis, on the Feast of the Holy Family in Vatican City, said Jesus had to beg forgiveness thus implying that Jesus committed a sin! The pope also said that the bible is a highly dangerous book and that Jesus' life ended in failure.

And you are still following catholicism? Revelation 18:4
---Steveng on 2/13/19




Steveng:

You wrote: She only studied it the way the catholic church wanted her to know.

But of course, YOUR way is necessarily better, at least that's what you want us to believe, right?

One of the things that is common among young people, typically in their 20s, is that they think they know everything. Usually, by the time they reach their 30s or 40s, they realize how foolish and presumptuous such an assumption actually is.
---StrongAxe on 2/13/19


Nicole, Because of Mary I am able to die with Christ( the purposes of Christ being made flesh, not only to take our sin but die in our place, but also to identify with Him in death.) Our Resurrection life IN CHRIST has to do with the Father ALONE, and being Born Again of the SPIRIT is not of Mary but of God ALONE. So AGAIN, GOD is the GIVER OF NEW LIFE IN CHRIST. And WE, the Bride of Christ are taken from His side, bone of HIS Bone, Flesh of HIS Flesh, just as Eve was taken out of the first Adam. Mary again is not the giver of THIS LIFE, just as Eve was not the giver of Adam1's life. Mary was not taken from Jesus side. And we are not the offspring of Mary and Jesus..YUCK

So yes I do actually get it. You sweety do not.
---kathr4453 on 2/13/19


StrongAxe wrote: "she's (Nicole) likely studied it more than you have. Also, Cluny probably knows more about it than anyone else here."

She only studied it the way the catholic church wanted her to know.
---Steveng on 2/12/19


O Mother of Perpetual Help, thou art the dispenser of all the goods which God grants to us miserable sinners, and for this reason he has made thee so powerful, so rich, and so bountiful, that thou mayest help us in our misery. Thou art the advocate of the most wretched and abandoned sinners who have recourse to thee.
---john9346 on 2/12/19


Come then, to my help, dearest Mother, for I recommend myself to thee. In thy hands I place my eternal salvation and to thee do I entrust my soul.
---john9346 on 2/12/19




Count me among thy most devoted servants, take me under thy protection, and it isenough for me. For, if thou protect me, dear Mother, I fear nothing, not from my sins, because thou wilt obtain for me the pardon of them, nor from the devils, because thou are more powerful than all hell together, nor even from Jesus, my Judge himself, because by one prayer from thee he will be appeased. But one thing I fear, that in the hour of temptation I may neglect to call on thee and thus perish miserably. Obtain for me, then, the pardon of my sins, love for Jesus, final perseverance, and the grace always to have recourse to thee, O Mother of Perpetual Help.
---john9346 on 2/12/19


cluny said, "
Not quite, kathr."

This is heresy The Council of Ephesus was clear that Mary was the Mother of Jesus flesh not his divinity...
---john9346 on 2/12/19


Steveng, I entered the Dominican Order in 1997 until 2004. The Order was started by St. Dominican to preach the Gospel and to oppose heresy.

Heresy pours from you like a broken fire hydrant.

Don't PRETEND you know the Church with a mere 10 yrs of study.

Priests study the Faith for more 8 yrs to 12 yrs. They DON'T DARE claim to know the Faith more than other people.

No one completes knowledge because it is a LIFE LONG SCHOOL.

There are ONLY 32 Doctors in the Catholic Church out of thousands of Saints recognized by the CC.

So you believe you are so knowledgeable you have the nerve to self-appoint yourself as an expert on the Catholic Faith?

Why did you forget that pride is one of the 7 deadly sin.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/12/19


GOD'S WORD for those who over and over refuse to hear it,
as their reprobation,
higher and higher do escalate,
and into the road from darkness - away from Heaven Go!

"In all your dwelling places, the cities shall be laid waste, and the high places shall be desolate, that your altars may be laid waste and made desolate, and your idols may be broken and cease, and your images may be cut down, and your works may be abolished". Ezekiel 6: 6







Luke 19: 10,11,12
---Melody on 2/12/19


Melody:

Who is condemning Nicole (and many others)? You are! Almost every message you post is a condemnation of one person or other. If you were REALLY quoting God's Word (instead of your own), you could provide chapter and verse references for those Words, yet you almost never do, even after being asked repeatedly. Instead, you just claim you're being attacked, and heap on more condemnation.

You accuse her of being spiritually blind. Before criticizing the speck in someone's eye, first remove the beam from your own (Matthew 7:3-5, Luke 6:41-42).

THAT's how to quote God's Word - references that others can look up to see EXACTLY what God actually said, without having to rely on your memory of what you think he did.
---StrongAxe on 2/12/19


Nicole:

Who is condemning you if not GOD'S WORD of which you keep on ignoring, and all your sadistic tactics against me and others (and that's clearly shows where you are - just like those wicked religious people that came against THE LORD HIMSELF) - the evil pleasure of doing that - won't last long - once THE LORD calls you to give account of all those things that you stand for and in total rebellion against HIS WORD and sad that you have become so spiritually blind that you even challenging The Gospel for your own "fallen ego' misinterpretation of It and having the opportunity to repent - you are not doing it!
---Melody on 2/11/19


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Steveng:

You wrote: I know more about the (Roman) Catholic Church than any one on this site for I used to be one and studied it for over ten years.

Good for you. I grew up one too, and Nicole_Lacey appears to have been one her entire life, so unless she's a ten year old girl (which is highly unlikely), she's likely studied it more than you have. Also, Cluny probably knows more about it than anyone else here.
---StrongAxe on 2/11/19


Melody: You always find a way to attack someone that comes with GOD'S TRUTH//

Attack?

Sweetheart, if you think DEFENDING myself is attacking others you are ridiculous.

You false statements about me isn't sticking to me and that is what really is making you MAD.

You are uses to Catholics believing your lies. You haven't come across someone able to defend themselves.

Which has made you SOFT and WEAK.

That's why you can only return insults of name calling and condemning me to hell tactics.

COME ON!

Is this your BEST?

Stop being lazy and return Scripture with Scripture!

Debate with substances!

Return to me when you have toughing up some.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/11/19


Nicole wrote: "Judging is forbidden Matt 7:1."

So, you think that we shouldn't discipline our children?

You need to dig deeper into scriptures about how to use judging.


Cluny wrote: "Once more, you're wrong Steveng."

Prove to me that I'm wrong. Besides, I would rather be wrong in your eyes than in God's eyes.


StrongAxe wrote: "The Catholic church does not teach worship of statues,.."

They don't reprimand anyone that does. I know more about the (Roman) Catholic Church than any one on this site for I used to be one and studied it for over ten years.
---Steveng on 2/11/19


I just read an article about sexual predation in the Southern Baptist Convention in the Houston CHRONICLE.

Seems all attempts at reform are being blocked.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/11/19


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\\HE said: "Those who worship idols (whoever they are) they cannot inherit GOD'S KINGDOM" - GOD said it - not me! . . . period!\\

BCV, please, Melody.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/11/19


Nicole:

I'm not confused but you are the one and in that putting at risk your own salvation!

You always find a way to attack someone that comes with GOD'S TRUTH and in order for you to cover up that idolatrous religion that you are under bondage, if you constantly reject GOD'S WORD and that by believing something that obviously transgress against HIM - you are not Born Again, and if it happens that under this spiritual and serious offense you are when THE LORD calls you - HE said: "Those who worship idols (whoever they are) they cannot inherit GOD'S KINGDOM" - GOD said it - not me! . . . period!
---Melody on 2/10/19


\\Steveng: It is forbidden to bow down and worship statues, but yet that's what the catholics do./\\

Once more, you're wrong Steveng.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/11/19


Warning of what THE LORD says about those who refuse to listen and accept THE TRUTH that is only through HIM and against what is abominable to HIM: Luke 19: 10,11,12

"But into whatever city you enter and receive you not, go your way out into the streets of the same, and say: Even the very same dust of your city which cleave on us, we do wipe off against you, notwithstanding be you sure of this: that The Kingdom of GOD is come night unto you. But I say unto you, that it'll be more tolerable in that day for Sodom than for that city".
---Melody on 2/11/19


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Nicole:

Who is rewarding you for denying what anyone in this world knows and that what you defend has been promoting idolatry not only of Mary and under different idols names in different places in the world but of others, even now making idols of those that have been used by the enemy of the souls into an idolatrous religion for multitudes of souls going into perdition? Hear again under your own deceitful beliefs: "Those who worship idols, cannot enter GOD'S KINGDOM". - how arrogant foolish for anyone to ignore or try to change GOD'S WORD - incredible where you are and after hearing over and over THE TRUTH OF THE GOSPEL - if you had ears to hear the warning, you would be trembling of fear and repent!
---Melody on 2/11/19


Steveng: It is forbidden to bow down and worship statues, but yet that's what the catholics do./

Judging is forbidden Matt 7:1.

Why don't you FUSS at God for telling His people to make a Bronze statue?

A serpent at that!

Mad at God for telling His people not to go to Himself for healing?

Not even to Moses to get a healing?

Nooo, God told Moses to tell His people to go to the STATUE MADE for a healing and LIVE! Numbers 21:6-9

I bet you HATE these Passage AFTER Matt 16:13-19. Or is James 2:26 2nd and then Numbers?

//Although catholics do bow down and worship Mary statues, the pope never says that is wrong.//

Please READ the CCC BEFORE making dumb statements as the one above.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/10/19


strongaxe said, "Notably absent in ALL of these is the word "worship". Try again."

So are you saying that prayer not worship??

In the Hail Mary prayer can a human do what is requested in the prayer to Mary??

What if I said Hail Strongaxe can you do that sir??

I've already cited to you Rc Sources did you read them sir yes or no??
---john9346 on 2/10/19


strongaxe said, "You can't blame all Catholics for what some Catholics do."

Again, the Rc Authorities i referenced to you contradict you my friend...

Let me help you out cite a Rc Authority that provide you support in your claim??

I've already provided for Baptists since Baptist is Sola Scriptura and RC isn't...

Scripture isn't racist, remember you reject Scripture???
---john9346 on 2/10/19


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John: Marian Worship is sanction by Rc Authority Practice,//

NO IT ISN'T!

Cite from the Vatican or the CCC?

CCC states the OPPOSITE.

CCC 971 "All generations will call me blessed" (Luke 1:48): "The Church's devotion to the Blessed Virgin is intrinsic to Christian worship."The Church rightly honors "the Blessed Virgin with SPECIAL DEVOTION. From the most ancient times the Blessed Virgin has been honored with the title of 'Mother of God,' to whose protection the faithful fly in all their dangers and needs...This very special devotion . . . DIFFERS essentially from the ADORATION WHICH IS GIVEN TO THE incarnate Word and equally to the Father and the Holy Spirit, and greatly fosters this adoration.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/10/19


Steveng:

The Catholic church does not teach worship of statues, so again, you are constructing a straw man of your own devising, and then burning it down, and then blaming it for being made of straw.
---StrongAxe on 2/10/19


Cluny: there was no papal approbation for the early councils, especially the first seven.//

Your denial doesn't change facts.

Acts 15 CLEARLY shows Peter's being the first and final 'stamp of approval' of the 1st Council. You need to mediate Acts 15:6 and 14

BTW, Acts 15 is the 1st Council of the Church.

Nicaea is the 1st ECUMENICAL Council.

As if Obama was the 1st Black President, but not the 1st President.

Thanks for another word of the week. 'Approbation'

Melody, you are confused about Charity.

It ISN'T limited to actions.

When you don't start or STOP gossip (even if true} it's tracks you are being Charitable. Psalms 15:3
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/10/19


Mary is dead.

The Hail Mary prayer implies that she is still living. Mary is a sinner just like the rest of us and needed a savior. Luke 1:47, Ecclesiastes 7:20

It is forbidden to bow down and worship statues, but yet that's what the catholics do. Exodus 20:4-5

Although catholics do bow down and worship Mary statues, the pope never says that is wrong. 2 Timothy 4:3-4, 1 Timothy 4:1, Proverbs 14:12

Jesus is NOT God, he said so himself. John 20:17

We are to worship God alone. Isaiah 42:8, Revelation 19:10
---Steveng on 2/10/19


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john9346:

You wrote: first, the prayers that have been posted,
Next, The Glories of Mary by St. Alphonsus Liguori
The CCC, other Rc Quotations, etc.
popes


Notably absent in ALL of these is the word "worship". Try again.

But you fail to understand that Marian Worship is sanction by Rc Authority Practice,

Please show evidence of that.

You can't blame all Catholics for what some Catholics do but isn't what the CC teaches, yet excuse all Baptists for what some Baptists do but isn't what the BC teaches. You must use the same yardstick in both cases to avoid hypocritical judgment.
---StrongAxe on 2/10/19


No wonder THE LORD said: "Leave" - for those who won't listen . . . they can be shown (and from GOD'S WORD) - the terrible judgment that awaits them that transgress against HIS HOLINESS and by the actual writings and confession of their under abomination doctrines of what it has been know by centuries and in the present - of the depravation that has been known public right now of such perversion and sexual abuse in different places in the world- and that's why THE LORD calls it 'the harlot': Does GOD makes a mistake saying that idolatry is the worshipping of evil spirits? - of course Not!!! - and under that - abominable living it is awaiting GOD'S JUDGMENT: "Whoever you stand for - in alignment you are with"!
---Melody on 2/10/19


strongaxe said, "
I grew up Catholic, and I know what we were taught. Do you? What "Roman Catholic Material" do you know of that "utterly contradicts me"? Be specific. Cite specific official Catholic publications that do."

first, the prayers that have been posted,

Next, The Glories of Mary by St. Alphonsus Liguori

The CCC, other Rc Quotations, etc.

popes
---john9346 on 2/9/19


strongaxe said, "
Some Baptists believed that, but that doesn't mean we should judge ALL Baptists on it, any more than we should judge ALL Catholics based on what a few might believe."

But you fail to understand that Marian Worship is sanction by Rc Authority Practice, Baptist Racist Views aren't (Not of Scripture) that is Baptist Final Authority (pope Final Authority for RC)
---john9346 on 2/9/19


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strongaxe and cluny is the following prayer not worship if not tell us all why not:

Hail, holy Queen, Mother of Mercy! Our life, our sweetness and our hope! To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve. To thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping, in this valley of tears. Turn, then, most gracious Advocate, thine eyes of mercy toward us, and after this our exile show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus. O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary.

---john9346 on 2/9/19


Melody:

Outside of your constant raving against it, have you ever, even once in your life, read the Catholic catechism, and seen what it is that they ACTUALLY believe and teach? I think you might be quite surprised, and find that the vast majority of it is very much in line with what Protestants believe and the Bible teaches.

But I realize that it's much easier to condemn and maintain a "holier than attitude" than to try to actually understand the nuances. It's hard work to separate wheat from chaff, but much easier to just burn down the whole cornfield.
---StrongAxe on 2/8/19


Spiritual blindness is putting an idolatrous religion on the same level as the Evangelical denominations - this shows how some people are spiritually wrong and obviously show it by them denying and defending what for centuries have been clear to all that have GOD'S DISCERNMENT and that is to see the difference between THE LIGHT and the darkness - well: Everyone is free to believe and accept right or wrong - but it won't change what is coming from THE LORD - be it blessings to HIS People, or judgments against those who in spite of hearing THE TRUE GOSPEL OF SALVATION - they went along with and listened to those false teachers with 'itching ears' and so they became just as them!
---Melody on 2/8/19


john9346:

You wrote: Strongaxe obviously has not read Roman Catholic Material that utterly contradict him

I grew up Catholic, and I know what we were taught. Do you? What "Roman Catholic Material" do you know of that "utterly contradicts me"? Be specific. Cite specific official Catholic publications that do.

comparing Baptitst Jim Crow Views to Roman Catholics Worship is comparing apples to oranges so so Logically Inconsistent...

Some Baptists believed that, but that doesn't mean we should judge ALL Baptists on it, any more than we should judge ALL Catholics based on what a few might believe.
---StrongAxe on 2/8/19


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\\Strongaxe obviously has not read Roman Catholic Material that utterly contradict him,\\

Please quote the EXACT RC source that says Mary is to be worshiped with the LATREIA given to God, john.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/8/19


strongaxe said, "Catholic teaching doesn't say worship Mary. Some Catholics may, but that isn't official Church teaching."
The Baptist church doesn't teach racism. Some white Southern Baptists (at least in the '60s) wouldn't fellowship with black ones. Would you thus condemn all Baptists as racists?"

Strongaxe obviously has not read Roman Catholic Material that utterly contradict him,furthermore, comparing Baptitst Jim Crow Views to Roman Catholics Worship is comparing apples to oranges so so Logically Inconsistent...
---john9346 on 2/8/19


Hail, holy Queen, Mother of Mercy! Our life, our sweetness and our hope! To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve. To thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping, in this valley of tears. Turn, then, most gracious Advocate, thine eyes of mercy toward us, and after this our exile show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus. O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary.




---john9346 on 2/8/19


Receive me, good St. Anne, into the number of your true clients, for so I profess myself and wish to remain throughout my entire life.
Obtain for me, from God, the power to imitate those virtues with which you are so plentifully endowed. Help me to know and regret my sins bitterly. Obtain for me the grace of active love for Jesus and Mary, and resolution to fulfill the duties of my state of life with faithfulness.
Save me from every danger that confronts me in life, and help me at the hour of my death.
Amen.
---john9346 on 2/8/19


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Cluny:

Yes, Jesus subjected himself to Mary because she was his mother, but he also subjected himself to Joseph because he was his father, and to Pilate, as he endured a trial, and to Roman soldiers, as he endured crucifixion.

None of these these these things is an indication of any kind of spiritual superiority of those people. Jesus did these particular things specifically because he was a man, and wanted to show that he was subject to the laws and customs of man, as are the rest of us - not because he was God.
---StrongAxe on 2/8/19


"Subject to THEM," both Joseph and Mary, yes, just as I said, as all children until they were considered adults were subject to their parents.

Again does not show anything out of the ordinary.

Jesus didn't go into His ministry directly out of the womb.
---kathr4453 on 2/8/19


\\
Show verses Cluny. He was obedient to both his parents as a child, but remember He said at a very young age...I must be about my Father's business,\\

It's right after the passage you mentioned.

" Luke 2:51 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
And he [Jesus] went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them: but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/7/19


Show verses Cluny. He was obedient to both his parents as a child, but remember He said at a very young age...I must be about my Father's business, meaning His Heavenly Father. I think at that point Mary and Joseph were humbling themselves to Him.
---kathr4453 on 2/7/19


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There is one thing about Jael and most of the other famous women of the Bible.

God Himself Incarnate did not humble Himself to be obedient and subject to them, as the Bible says He was to the Virgin Mary.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/7/19


Judges 6: 24 Blessed above women shall Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite be, blessed shall she be above women in the tent.

Also those in Christ and Christ in them are also full of the Grace of God.

Not to minimize Mary, but also not to exalt her above what scripture says or to read into scripture what is not there.
---kathr4453 on 2/7/19


Cluny:

You wrote: BTW, the Hail Mary is in the Bible. Did you know that?

Only half of it.

Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee! Blessed art though among women. Blessed is the fruit of thy womb. is.

Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now, and in the hour of our death is not.
---StrongAxe on 2/6/19


Please tell me what false doctrines I hold (other than not believing you God's mouthpiece).

Be specific, please.

Otherwise, all you are doing is spreading slander.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/6/19


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GOD'S WORD for those willing to accept IT and put IT in their hearts for the now and forever:

"If you keep MY COMMANDMENTS, you shall abide in MY LOVE" . John 15:10

"For GOD that commanded THE LIGHT to shine out of darkness, has shined in our hearts, to give THE LIGHT OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE GLORY OF GOD IN THE FACE OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST". 2nd Corinthians 4:6
---Melody on 2/6/19


Nicole:

'Charity' is doing something through GOD'S GUIDANCE in regard of helping others under their own needs at that time - your understanding of that word it's totally wrong - for according to the subject - to you: Charity is backing up/condoning those who openly transgressing THE LORD under their adulterous/idolatrous teachings - for your own spiritual well being, accept GOD'S WORD about what THE LORD warns against it and before start reading The Bible (the one that has not been changed from false doctrines) pray for THE LORD that through HIS HOLY SPIRIT will reveal it to you under HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS into your spiritual heart - so deceived you won't be any longer and depart from what is separating you from GOD'S TRUTH!
---Melody on 2/6/19


Cluny:

it's useless answering you, but your false words I rebuke: I'm not been slandering anyone - but by your own words (read your own messages) you are not being faithful to THE LORD by you giving glory to those who openly have opposed and keep opposing Christianity by their false doctrines and under judgment they are - even if you don't want to hear it: THE LORD IS GOD and HE separates those who are faithful to HIM from those who aren't!
---Melody on 2/5/19


***Cluny:

Me: ISN'T valid until the Pope states it is valid.==

You: This is not true from the Orthodox viewpoint.//

Please CITE a Council you believe a Pope didn't make it valid by his approval.***

Nicole, there was no papal approbation for the early councils, especially the first seven.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/5/19


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In other words, Melody, you cannot answer my question.

You just bring vague unsubstantiated allegations to slander me and others.

Think: Who is it who is called the accuser of Christians?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/5/19


Melody:

Cluny doesn't believe he has "problems spiritually speaking" that he needs to bring to the Lord. If he does, that's his problem and not yours, and between him and God, and not you.

However, it's you who keep telling him he has those problems, so if you think there are problems in what he says, you should tell him EXACTLY what those problems are. If he says things that you think contradict scripture, you should say EXACTLY what he said and EXACTLY which scriptures he contradicts, instead of just making vague accusations. (And this applies to anyone else you think is "doing it wrong", including me.)
---StrongAxe on 2/5/19


Cluny:

No more of this - you are a mature man to know where you are spiritually - I'm not here to debate anyone - just read The Bible (that one that has not been changed by false doctrines) accept GOD'S TRUTH and whatever problems you might have spiritually speaking - bring them to THE LORD - once in commitment with THE LORD - we are not going to be accepting (from whoever) those things that for THE LORD are sacrilegious and that separate the souls from HIS PRESENCE!
---Melody on 2/4/19


Melody, you have on several occasions accused me of spreading false doctrines.

Please tell me ONE of these false doctrines I've said on here, with the appropriate verse that refutes it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/4/19


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"THE LORD said: "Why do you call ME LORD"? . . . (for those in disobedience to HIM, under false doctrines that trample upon HIS SOVEREIGNITY AND HOLINES:



"Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not". But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling THE WORD OF GOD deceitfully, but by manifestation of THE TRUTH commending ourselves to every man's conscience in THE SIGHT OF GOD". But if our Gospel is hid, it is hid from them that are lost. In whom 'the god' of this world has blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest THE LIGHT OF THE GLORIOUS GOSPEL OF CHRIST, WHO IS THE IMAGE OF GOD, should shine unto them".
---Melody on 2/2/19


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: Which doctrine was violated when the Saint MISTAKENLY called the Church by the wrong name?

You tell me, as you're the one who expresses outrage over the term. The fact that you're outraged means some horribly vile mistake is being made. Odd that you are outraged, yet the Pope himself was not.

You do so because you KNOW they WON'T SCREAM at you for deliberately calling them out their name?

No. It's because many organizations have very long names for themselves and a simple one-word name suffices. "Catholic" is simpler too. Unfortunately, there are many different kinds of Catholic churches, so one needs to tell them apart.
---StrongAxe on 2/2/19


StrongAxe, you are right. Correcting the Saint's mistake is quibbling since it WASN'T the purpose of quoting him.

The Pope ONLY corrects doctrinal mistakes.

As you acknowledge this. Which doctrine was violated when the Saint MISTAKENLY called the Church by the wrong name?

The Pope knew he made a mistake and didn't quibble over the mistake

//Mormons don't like that word, preferring Latter Day Saints, but don't scream in outrage whenever anyone uses that word.//

So, you KNOW they don't want to be called Mormons but you STILL call them Mormons?

You do so because you KNOW they WON'T SCREAM at you for deliberately calling them out their name?

Melody, now do you understand?

IT ISN'T CHRISTIAN
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/2/19


Nicole_Lacey:

Why are you offended, when the church is not? The Pope himself quoted an archbishop who used that term, and the Pope was not offended that the term was used. Yes, I know the church does not particularly like the term, but it does not react in offended outrage. As I said, when I was going up in the 1960s, both clergy and laity freely used that term. If a term is acceptable, and then suddenly provokes outrage some years later, that's just political correctness.

Maybe you would know WHY if I called you Weak StrongAxe?

First, I wouldn't be offended, merely saddened that you would stoop to personal insults. Second, you would be making it up yourself because nobody else has used that term before - unlike RCC.
---StrongAxe on 2/2/19


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Actually Judas believed in the Kingdom Now Theology, believe Jesus was to overthrow the Roman Empire and rule they had over Israel and Jerusalem. They wanted to make Jesus KING right then and there. Interestingly one day that will be the case, but, as Jesus stated, MY KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS WORLD.

Judas was not guilty of Idolotry , or any such thing. He was guilty of believing in the wrong dispensation at the wrong time. When Jesus didn't overthrow Rome, Judas believed Jesus was an imposter. What he failed to see was before Jesus DOES become KING, He had to die and rise again first. Many today are in the wrong dispensation wanting to eradicate sin on earth. That's not the Gospel of GRACE.
---kathr4453 on 2/1/19


StrongAxe, INDEED, I am offended when ANYONE calls my Church by a name that ISN'T Her NAME!

//I don't know why this offends her,//

Maybe you would know WHY if I called you Weak StrongAxe?

//but she brings it up every time anyone mentions this term.//

You get a GOLD STAR for connecting the dots!

Someone says 'Roman' and I go bombastic.

Here's a thought: Stop changing my Church's Name and I won't go bombastic.

You know, my Black Grandma said the same thing you said.

She grew up hearing EVERYONE Black and White saying 'colored'.

So she couldn't understand how NOW the term can be so offensive since Black people themselves said 'Colored' and ASKED everyone to call them 'Colored'.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/1/19


Monk, why is it hard for people to stop using a false name?

I called you Michael and you tell me your name is Monk.

Who am I to continue to call you Michael?

I don't need to see your birth certificate to call you Monk

Working in the VA I would call all Veterans 'Ex' or 'Retired' Army etc.

Recently an inactive Marine who is a VA Police Officer told me "Once a Marine always a Marine. You NEVER say 'Retired, Ex or Former' Marine."

I apologized to him. For over a decade not one Marine corrected me until him.

Do you think because ONLY one Marine corrected me I decided to CONTINUE to use those adjectives above?

NO!

I call ALL Marines 'Marine'. Even a 85 yrs old.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/1/19


\\ "When they don't listen (yes, about The Gospel and ignore it for false doctrines) - leave" . . . for many became reprobate like Judas and into eternal separation from GOD! \\

BCV, please.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/1/19


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"Canonizing, Mariology, 'roman"- etcetera - since when this subjects pertain to Christianity? - well - even THE LORD said: "When they don't listen (yes, about The Gospel and ignore it for false doctrines) - leave" . . . for many became reprobate like Judas and into eternal separation from GOD!
---Melody on 1/31/19


Nicole, I don't understand why you find the word "Roman" offensive. However, I am glad to not use that word.

On the other hand, please allow our foibles to show up on these blogs occasionally. If we say "Roman" accidentally, just give it a rest, and live and let live.

Okay???
---Monk_Brendan on 1/31/19


Nicole_Lacey:

There's a big difference between revering someone (despite having disagreements with them) than in actually quoting something they actually said to prove a point.

According to the "my logic" you referred to, you might have a point -IF- the church not only canonized Aquinas, but actually quoted his statement about Mary's conception in a papal encyclical on Mariology. But without that, you're comparing apples and oranges.
---StrongAxe on 1/30/19


Melody, it's important because God expects charity from us FIRST.

I first explained on CN that John Calvin started that derogatory name.

I directed them to the Vatican website as proof.

StrongAxe, showed a Pope quoting a Saint who said the word 'Roman'. I explain the Saint isn't the Vatican.

St. Thomas Aquinas didn't believe in the Immaculate Conception. But believed Mary was sinless.

He was WRONG on Mary's Conception.

But according to StrongAxe's LOGIC the CC is WRONG about Mary's conception because of St. Thomas Aquinas'

He has it backwards.

The Vatican canonizes the person, not the person validating Her.

And She STILL proclaimed St. Thomas Aquinas a Doctor of the Church. One of 35
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/30/19


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Nicole_Lacey:

The pope wouldn't quibble over bad grammar - it's minor and doesn't affect meaning. He WOULD comment on things ACTUALLY doctrinally incorrect - which he did not do.


Melody:

Nicole is personally offended when anyone uses the term "Roman Catholic". I don't know why this offends her, but she brings it up every time anyone mentions this term. I grew up 60 years ago in a Catholic church, and EVERYONE in that and other churches DID use the term, so I can't understand how the term can now be offensive if the church itself used that term to describe itself.

Mormons don't like that word, preferring Latter Day Saints, but don't scream in outrage whenever anyone uses that word.
---StrongAxe on 1/30/19


Nicole and Axe:



Why is so important what that denomination calls itself? - in THE LORD'S EYES - it doesn't have any importance at all, especially when everyone knows that they are under GOD'S JUDGMENT (Revelation 22 = adding and removing from GOD'S WORD and on the worshipping of idols that to THE LORD it separates the souls from GOD as it's abominable under HIS HOLINESS - and HIS ADMONITIONS come from beginning to ending of The Bible) . . . it's very dangerous for those that knows that and still belongs to that false doctrine, a true Christian that has been Born Again - will depart from that immediately for the sake of his eternal soul!
---Melody on 1/29/19


StrongAxe: The term "Roman Catholic" is not "derogatory" if the Church ITSELF uses it.//

THANK YOU!

Because no one INCLUDING YOU haven quoted the Vatican using the word 'Roman'!

You quoted a Pope quoting a saint about another matter.

The CC quotes EXACTLY what is said. Pope quotes bad grammar and misspelled words as well.

They don't take the TIME to point out whats wrong.

//I grew up in a Catholic church, and our priest and everyone else in the church said Roman Catholic among ourselves.//

I had a Priest that said using birth control pills wasn't a sin.

HE WAS WRONG

I grew up with people burying the dead in cemeteries according to race.

Your point?
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/29/19


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