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Conclusion... I wouldn't trade what I have for some experience of being made to think I was taken to paradise. No one can prove such a thing....Paul never detailed his experience there, so David can't PROVE he went there. Being struck down, ..again, strange experiences, not the norm. Things Satan can imitate. Did David see GOD the Father in Paradise? ...he never claimed he did. Did God show him things unlawful to utter? Was he in the body or out of the body? Even Paul said he didn't know for sure. But that experience Paul had with The Lord, as John in Revelation too had one, is not something we all are SUPPOSED TO HAVE, and if we don't , being told we are not saved. SERIOUSLY?

So please address David on your concerns.
---kat453 on 3/3/19


Strongaxe I totally agree. Paul gave a personal testimony of his born again experience in Philippians 3. I can testify to that truth. Its not feelings... Its a life. The very life of Christ in you. That certainly can be felt.

Its David who says he experienced being taken up onto Paradise like Paul was, and seems to yearn for ME to experience this , DOUBTING MY FAITH , and says I will when I obey the LAW, what ever that is that avoids the preaching of the Cross, or our own testimony to Galatians 2:20-21. He also said i needed to experience what Paul did when thrown off his horse on the road to Damascus. This has been an ongoing dialogue.
---kathr4453 on 3/3/19


Strongaxe, when one comes to the Father THROUGH His Son Jesus Christ, there is no guessing game. We KNOW it. And that moment we say ABBA FATHER is like no other. It IS an experience like no other. Becoming a child of God through Jesus Christ far surpasses anything imaginable. experiencing the power of His resurrection life in you....no words can describe it. You just KNOW IT.

Only those who have never experienced this would come against it...

We KNOW we have passed from death to life...1 John. And we KNOW we have eternal life IN CHRIST. Its not just some head knowledge. The JOY of the LORD is something we EXPERIENCE...so yes. The peace of God within....beyond words. Walking in the Spirit is not walking in emotions...
---kath4453 on 3/3/19


John: the Bronze Snhke had become a god they were worshipping it//

That's I been telling you!

The statue is the SAME statue in Numbers 21 and 2 Kings.

THE PEOPLE WERE DIFFERENT!

One set of Israelites DIDN'T worship that statue, but another set of Israelites worshiped the SAME statue.

The statue didn't on it's own become a god. And if any set would have thought it was god would have been the first set. Afterall, it was by ONLY looking at the statue that saved them.

But you DIDN'T ANSWER my question.

I didn't ask you WHY the statue was destroyed.

I asked you WHY Moses KEPT the statue? Jacob, David and other Leaders of Israel.

Why keep the statue after the 1st set of Israel were healed.
---Nicole_Lacey on 3/3/19


Kathryn
The very fact that there is sin in the world, and you and many like you, call yourselfs sinners, should tell you, we are all under the Law of God. Isnt a sinner, someone who breaks Gods Law? (1 John 3:4)

The very fact that under the New Covenant, God has writen his Laws in our minds and puts them in our hearts, should tell you we are under Gods Law. Why would God write it, or call it Law..if you were not under his Law? (Hebrews 10:16)

I leave you with this...to do what you want, your souls are at stake, not mine.
---David on 3/3/19




kath4453:

The Bible says "you must be born again", but does not list any specific kind of subjective "experience", and does not describe any kind of subjective "feelings" that are associated with being born again. "Dying with Christ" and "being crucified with Christ" are metaphorical, as few to none of us physically die or are literally crucified. Because these things are subjective and experiential, they are not subject to objective verification.

Many other religions (and even non-religious philosophical beliefs) also have transformative empowering experiences that "feel" similar to the experience that many Christians feel when they say they become born again.
---StrongAxe on 3/3/19


\\Let's take the statue of st. joseph to sell a house. Catholic buy the statue, bury it near the for sale sign (upside down and facing the street), and then pray to st. joseph. I remember, as a kid in chicago, several neighbors using this method.\\

Do you think this is actually a teaching of the Roman Catholic Church, Steveng?

If so, please give the official source whence you found this.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/3/19


I find it very strange one would insist they have received the Biblical Born Again experience, ( the ONLY experience IS the Biblical one) yet all the proof of that experience they deny. One is Born Again, Born of the SPIRIT by first DYING with Christ. If one claims they have had a born again experience yet know NOTHING of being Crucified with Christ..the ONLY WAY one can then be raised up with Christ....that is experience the RESURRECTION LIFE in Christ, may want to,consider this. Satan can imitate just about anything but one thing he cannot imitate is THE POWER OF HIS RESURRECTION, being made conformable to His death...Phil 3. This IS the evidence one has been Born Again. Keeping the law proves nothing of the Born Again experience.
---kath4453 on 3/3/19


God and I see you ......
---David on 3/3/19

Here's the tell tale sign of something I can't even begin to express......

Does David think He is one of the Trinity? It would appear so, since no one , not even Paul made such claims to judge the heart soul and personal relationship of another.

This says it all as far as I'm concerned.....full of PRIDE! ARROGANCE! judging another man's servant...SIN, as Paul forbade such judgement. Yet David says he's sinless. He picks and chooses what he wants to be sin or not. measuring people using himself the yardstick.

Excuse me while I go gag myself David.
---kat453 on 3/3/19


Kathryn
When I read Pauls Epistles, I try to put myself in your place. And I admit, if I had not experienced the biblical definition, of being born of God, I would probably believe as you do.

You believe you have become the New Creature, that Paul writes about. I get that. God and I see you as a caterpillar, who has yet to make a cocoon. Though you dont exhibit the life of a butterfly, that doesnt stop you from believing you are a butterfly.

I wish I could wake you, but I can not. I wish God would wake you, but he will not. He will not wake you unless you believe in the one he sent, and begin building your house on his message of salvation.

Moses brought in the old, Jesus brought us the New. (John 1:17)
---David on 3/3/19




Blessed St. Joseph, I consecrate myself to your honor and give myself to you, that you may always be my father, my protector and my guide in the way of salvation. Obtain for me great purity of heart and a fervent love of the interior life. After your example, may I perform my actions for the greater Glory of God, in union with the Divine Heart of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Pray for me, Saint Joseph, that I may experience the peace and joy of your holy death. Amen.
---john9346 on 3/3/19


David Galatians 3 is so steeped in step by step information.

A!so if i'm missing something maybe you can recommend a book that will help me understand where you're coming from and why you avoid all teachings re THE CROSS. I

If you are concerned those who came via the cross are lawless sinners then your not hearing Romans 6-8. If your concerned CHRIST IN YOU is Just not enough, then I would venture to say you've never lived by the faith of Christ in you. Have you ever experienced Philippians 3?
---kathr4453 on 3/3/19


Catholics do indeed pray to dead people - the saints and Mary - especially catholics from latin america, south america, and the philippines. Let's take the statue of st. joseph to sell a house. Catholic buy the statue, bury it near the for sale sign (upside down and facing the street), and then pray to st. joseph. I remember, as a kid in chicago, several neighbors using this method.

As for the serpent on a stick (sounds like a food item): why did Jesus use mud to heal a blind man?
---Steveng on 3/2/19


The law of faith that works by love, the law of Christ in you the hope of Glory, the Law of being a NEW CREATURE IN CHRIST. Which is THE LAW OF THE SPIRIT OF THE LIFE OF CHRIST THAT SET ME FREE FROM THE LAW OF SIN AND DEATH.

Galatians 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but faith which worketh by love.

Galatians 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

Colossians 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
---kathr4453 on 3/2/19


David, my turn to ask you a question. Did you have to work hard to sin? Do you think once in heaven we will have to work not to sin?

Romans 6 says (sic) that once alive from the dead..that is AFTER being crucified with Christ and raised up a new creature, created in righteousness and holiness, that once we have obeyed submitting our members to righteousness that we become slaves to righteousness Romans 6:15-23....

It's like breathing ....it just happens without thinking about it.

David, is it possible you skipped this part and are trying to create your own self righteousness? REREAD Philippians 3 also.

I'm not sure what more you want me to say. Why would I purposely fall from Grace? I know better.
---kath4453 on 3/2/19


Nicole ask, "Plus, why did they KEEP the bronze statue after the people were healed?"

Here is the answer:

"He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan."
2 Kings 18:4

So, the Bronze Snhke had become a god they were worshipping it...
---john9346 on 3/2/19


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Nicole:

"In Numbers 21 why did they ASK Moses to pray to God instead of praying themselves?
---john9346 on 3/2/19


(1 Corinthians 7:19) Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is, the keeping of the commandments of God.

Kathryn
Since circumcision was a commandment under the law of Moses, Paul is not talking about that being the Law, that matters.
So what is the Law that matters?
---David on 3/2/19


John: What exactly do you want me to answer??//

In Numbers 21 why did they ASK Moses to pray to God instead of praying themselves?

Plus, why did they KEEP the bronze statue after the people were healed?

The statue was kept for I believe more than a century
---Nicole_Lacey on 3/1/19


David, the Law came through Moses...and the promises given to Abraham was 400 years before the Law, and the law did not annul the promises given to Abraham. Its all in Scripture if you keep up with Galatians Romans etc. Just because scripture says, law, obey, ordinances, etc doesnt necessarily mean the law of Moses. Abraham lived by faith. Obedience of FAITH.
Also Colossians 2 says all that was nailed to the Cross.

WHY do you avoid any and all scripture that has to do with the CROSS. I see this evasion over and over by always using your LAW verses to try to override any scripture I put here.

So, the preaching of the CROSS is foolishness to those who are LOST David. To USWARD...IT IS THE POWER OF GOD.
---kathr4453 on 3/1/19


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Here's the final answer David. Take it or leave it.

Galatians 3:16-18

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many, but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Also Romans 5 clearly say there was no law before Moses...no law between Adam and Moses. So it was the LAW OF FAITH, just as we see with Abel and Noah , Job, Enoch,..etc.
---kath4453 on 3/1/19


(Genesis 26:4-5) And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries, and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed, because Abraham obeyed My voice, and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.

Why did Paul say Abraham was not under the Law, when God says he was?
---David on 3/1/19


David , what God put in my heart/mind.

****Hebrews 13:20-21 with Romans 8:9-11 a Covenant promise Through the blood of the EVERLASTING COVENANT. **** Galatians 5:22-25***

Philippians 2:5 let this mind be in you that was also in Christ Jesus:..........................8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

2 Corinthians 4:10-11. (Supports Galatians 2-20)

10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body. 11 For we which live are always delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.
---kathr4453 on 3/1/19


1 Cor 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea,

Nicole, I believe this is the answer to your question. They didn't pray through Moses, but asked Moses to pray for them. God put Moses in charge of Israel to lead them. If that weren't the case, then they were free to go their own way, and if they did that, they would not have complained against Moses in the first place. Even when Mariam complained against Moses she was afflicted with leprosy.

So no Mary is not a Moses, or even equal to a Moses.
---kath4453 on 3/1/19


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Did they ask for forgiveness THRU MOSES ? Scripture please.
---kathr4453 on 2/28/19


Nicole said, "John, you can answer that question as well."

What exactly do you want me to answer??

---john9346 on 2/28/19


........., Isaac could not have become Abrahams heir, if he had died before Abraham. (Hebrews 11:17-19) ///

David, it goes much deeper than that. Go to Galatians and see the promise of the the SEED re CHRIST was to come through Isaac ( also reread Romans 4 concerning this promised child, when Sarah was past age to conceive). This promise of a Messiah starts in Genesis 3:15, right after Adam's sin. Abels offering BY FAITH ...a blood offering was faith in the promised Messiah. It was more fully revealed through Abraham, and his belief in the promised Messiah that this promise would come through their child Isaac that Abraham was IMPUTED the righteousness that comes by faith. IN ISAAC WILL THY SEED BE CALLED, AND THE SEED IS CHRIST.
---kathr4453 on 2/28/19


2)Abraham didnt have to do anything to bring the promised child into the world. He was a MIRACLE CHILD ....and the ONLY THING required that pleased God was they BELIEVED the promise. Now take a look at how long it took for that promise to come to pass.. YEARS AND YEARS. and funny thing, because it took so long they thought THEY had to make it happen, and woops, along comes Ishmael. Did their doubting nulify Gods promise? NO NO NO. A THOUSAND TIMES NO.

Is there any scripture that says Abraham had to be Justified AGAIN? NO NO NO. or reaffirm his faith in the original promise? NO NO NO Rededicate his life? NO NO NO.

Did his laps of faith change Gods mind? NO NO NO. because God is faithful who has promised.

---kath4453 on 2/28/19


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David, i believe you are more than a hair away from the truth. The form of doctrine we obey from the heart is the doctrine of the CROSS. Galatians 2:20-21, the central most of the doctrine of the cross. Philippians 3 Colossians 2-3, Romans 6-8....just to name a few.

I also believe I am complete in Him.



---kat453 on 2/28/19


Now the Gospel according to the MYSTERY does require OBEDIENCE OF FAITH, as we see in Romans 6 ..and other places OBEYING FROM THE HEART that form of doctrine that was delivered unto you. Romans 6:7 crucified with Christ ..no longer slaves to sin..for the person who hath died is justified from sin.-kathr4453

Kathryn
Good job...finally after all this time. You are a hair away from the Truth...and if you answer this next question, you will have it!
Obedience of the heart....And what does God put our hearts and write into our minds?

Hebrews 10:16)This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them...
---David on 2/28/19


Kathr, so if the bronze snake was ONLY to save the people who disobey God, why did they keep the statue?

After All those mission was completed. The people asked God for forgiveness THROUGH Moses and got healed after looking at the statue.

Why keep the statue?

Please explain?

Also, why didn't they ask God themselves?

Moses didn't sin.

John, you can answer that question as well.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/27/19


Kathr: Nicole, where are you.//

Sorry, I was only gone for 36 hours. Anywho

//I told you God told Moses to make a snake like the ones He sent in among Israel, ( putting the bronze serpent on a pole, ( wasn't a status) and BY FAITH, THOSE WHO LOOKED ON IT WERE HEALED. Looking at it was acknowledging their sin. God sent serpents among them because of their disobedience. There was NO magic in the serpent.//

That's my POINT!

Never are there MAGIC in any statues.

INCLUDING OUR STATUES!

Only Protestant THINK there are MAGIC in statues NOT Catholics

BTW, where are all that ridiculous spinning you wrote above in the Bible?
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/27/19


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David, Romans 16:25-27 say " for the OBEDIENCE OF FAITH"......I've posted often here. So,we see it's not the obedience of the law.

Now the Gospel according to the MYSTERY does require OBEDIENCE OF FAITH, as we see in Romans 6 ..and other places OBEYING FROM THE HEART that form of doctrine that was delivered unto you. Romans 6:7 crucified with Christ ..no longer slaves to sin..for the person who hath died is justified from sin.

Now much of obedience is believing what GOD SAID... So firstly, vs 11 obey this...RECKON YOURSELVES DEAD INDEED TO SIN, BUT ALIVE TO GOD IN CHRIST JESUS.

When by faith you David have obeyed this.....we'll talk further. Your posts seem to contradict Romans 6.
---kathr4453 on 2/27/19


James is not saying Abraham kept the works of THE LAW---kathr4453---kathr4453

Kathryn
If you read (Genesis 22:1-2), You will discover God commanded Abraham to sacrifice Isaac. And his obedience/works showed his faith.

Why was Abrahams obedience, credited as righteousness? Abraham showed his faith, through his obediece, because he believed in Gods promises.

God had promised Abraham, Isaac would be his heir. Abraham knew, in order for God to keep this promise, God would need to bring Isaac back to life. You see, Isaac could not have become Abrahams heir, if he had died before Abraham. (Hebrews 11:17-19)

Jesus gave us a promise in (John 14:21), through which our obedience is seen as faith.
---David on 2/27/19


Justification is a very important subject. If you don't understand it, it can wreck havoc on your spiritual life and send you in many wrong directions. Justification is the ANCHOR of our faith. It is our faith in the finished work of Christ, not our own work. Abraham believed God and it was accounted ( IMPUTED) to him for righteousness. IMPUTED righteousness is the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF CHRIST....not your own righteousness You think must be earned or proved over and over BY DOING THIS OR THAT OR KEEPING THE LAW. Read Pauls testimony in Phil 3.

OT reference "JUST" LOT.... did not lose his salvation or need rejustification.....
---kathr4453 on 2/27/19


Samuel:

Your words are right: "Sanctification is an every day commitment unto THE LORD and yes - to the dying of the flesh and by our being dependents in our LORD through HIS HOLY SPIRIT - giving us the Power to defeat it and under this fallen/wicked world in which we live as THE LORD foretold that it has become so grossly openly corrupted in defying GOD'S RIGHTEOUSNESS, for even those things that THE LORD called abominable and of which HE destroyed nations before, they have made them 'acceptable' by men of corrupt minds and spirit:

Let's be praying for GOD'S People to get busy into bringing the lost unto salvation and while still time to do so, for the last times we are living in accordance to THE SCRIPTURES!
---Melody on 2/26/19


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"OH Mary, sweet refuge of miserable sinners, at the moment when my soul departs from this world, my sweetest mother, by the grief that thou didst endure when thou wast present at the death of thy Son upon the cross, then assist me with thy mercy. Ketp far from me my infernal enemies, and come thyself to take my soul and present it to my eternal Judge. Do not abandon me, oh my queen. Thou, next to Jesus, must be my comfort in that dreadful moment. Entreat thy Son that in his goodness, he will grant me the favor to die clasping thy feet, and to breathe out my soul in his sacred wounds, saying, Jesus and Mary, I give you my heart and my soul."
The Glories Of Mary St. Alphonsus Liguori

---
---john9346 on 2/26/19


kathrn4453:

Amen - and how right you were in sharing the correct interpretation of Numbers 21: 4 thru 9!- and for the opening up the eyes of those who by their own choosing keep on distorting GOD'S WORD and under the same spiritual pollution of those people that were bitten by snakes for transgressing against THE LORD as they got into the worse rebellion against THE LORD and that it is idolatry and that 'the harlot' has been deceiving multitudes throughout the ages.
---Melody on 2/26/19


Nicole, where are you. I told you God told Moses to make a snake like the ones He sent in among Israel, ( putting the bronze serpent on a pole, ( wasn't a status) and BY FAITH, THOSE WHO LOOKED ON IT WERE HEALED. Looking at it was acknowledging their sin. God sent serpents among them because of their disobedience. There was NO magic in the serpent.

Only you changed the subject. Stop using the serpent as an excuse for your idolatry.
---kathr4453 on 2/26/19


Kathr: Yes Nicole, as I've said again and again, Moses was ALIVE right there on earth praying for those God put in his charge. Moses also prayed God would not destroy Israel after worshipping the golden calf.//

When people don't have answer or realize they are wrong they ALWAYS change the subject or events.

God told Moses what to do not Moses tells God.

God told Moses to make the statue.

God told Moses to make His people who were bitten to look at the STATUE for healing.

NOT PRAY TO HIM FOR HEALING.

NOPE!

Look at the STATUE if you want to LIVE!

Focus on Numbers 21 before moving to another subject.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/26/19


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David, of coarse TRUE faith shoes evidence. Abraham offered Isaac AFTER Abraham was IMPUTED righteousness by faith alone. The EVIDENCE of our justification is our continued walk BY FAITH in obeying God called sanctification. Now look at what James is and is not saying. He is not saying Abraham kept the works of THE LAW...because sacrificing your son was never a law to begin with....not even one of the 613 laws. Our sanctification is what is a continuation. If Abraham didn't already believe in God, God never would have asked of Abraham what He did. Abraham showed evidence of His ALREADY faith IN GOD, believing God would raise Isaac from the dead. No obedience to the Law promised to raise anyone from the dead.
---kathr4453 on 2/26/19


And Yes Nicole, as I've said again and again, Moses was ALIVE right there on earth praying for those God put in his charge. Moses also prayed God would not destroy Israel after worshipping the golden calf.

So where are they praying to the dead? NOWHERE. It is an abomination to pray to or try to contact the dead, both in the OT and New. You NEVER see anyone in the NT say they prayed to any dead, no matter how righteous they may have been. No one said they prayed to Stephen...who seemed to have died early on.

We are to pray for one another..as that is scriptural. Contacting the dead is demonic.
---kath4453 on 2/26/19


This is what I BELIEVE David. THE JUSTIFIED AKA THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH.---kat453 on 2/25/19

Kathryn
I am aware of this, but doesnt your doctrine teach, We are saved by Grace through faith, and it is faith that is without works?

We teach, We are saved by Grace through faith, a faith that is shown through our works.
(James 2: 17, 20)
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead.

(Psalm 19:7)
The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul....
---David on 2/26/19


Samuel, you are wrong. I'm not a Calvinist, however I was justified by faith in Jesus Christ. I believe He died for my sin. I don't have to keep believing Jeuss died for my sin over and over. You all ( the SDA's) don't believe in IMPUTED RIGHTEOUSNESS. You all believe in IMPARTED righteousness, which is false doctrine.

Our FUTURE SINS are taken care of as we see in Romans 6-8....shall we CONTINUE TO SIN..... Meaning after justification...the answer is not being justified again and again... The answer is being CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST, so that we DIE TO SIN...future sin.

You added no supporting scripture your beliefs. Samuel. Because there is no scripture to support your belief Samuel.
---kathr4453 on 2/26/19


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And sadly, even showing the same scripture OVER AND OVER has no effect on those who can't think and read for themselves. Scripture also,says those who walked with you and walked away WERE NOT SAVED TO BEGIN WITH. It does not say they lost their salvation. You cannot lose what you never owned.

And scripture deals with sin after you are saved ONLY ONE WAY.....ROMANS 6-8. But even showing that again and again does not register to the UNSAVED. It can't register to the UNSAVED, because you have to be saved FIRST before those scriptures become REAL and EVIDENT. And the evidence of those truths cause YOU to proclaim this truth as well. Where is YOUR PROCLAMATION ?????? I see none.
---kat453 on 2/26/19


\\The Gospel is not about Jesus.\\

The Bible disagrees with you, Steveng.

Read Mark 1:1.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/25/19


David, justification is not a one time effect.

Abraham was known as a righteous man after leaving his land and people.

He grew more after he trusted God would give him an heir.

Put still he was put to the test when he was asked to sacrifice his son.

Proving that justification is a growing process.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/25/19


Kathr: The ones who sinned against God, were asked to LOOK AT IT.//

Why?

Why did God FORCE them to look at the statue for HEALING?

Don't you think the people might get CONFUSED on who healed them?

God or the statue?

If they DIDN'T look at the statue they died. Numbers 21:9

BTW, They ALSO begged Moses to PRAY FOR THEM.

Numbers 21:7 PRAY that the LORD will take the snakes away from us. So Moses prayed for the people.

Sooooo, not only did that turned to a STATUE for healing they ALSO asked Moses to pray for them.

//They didn't pray to,it,//

Neither do I.

//kneel to it, talk to it.//

You DON'T know that!

But we do KNOW they expected the statue to HEAL them.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/25/19


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I disagree. Justification is not a one time event. That is the doctrine named once saved always saved. From Calvinism where once GOD choose you to be saved. You have no power to choose.

When I was saved Jesus made me righteous that is justification by Grace alone. But he didn't forgive all of my future sins. Each time I sin. I turn to GOD and he justifies me again. Till the day I die this will happen. Also each day Sanctification is going on. As I die to self and live in love the Holy Spirit is changing me.

But those who choose to be lost and live in sin. Will not be saved if they left Jesus and choose to follow the Devil.
---Samuelbb7 on 2/25/19


The Gospel is not about Jesus.

It's about the coming Kingdom of God. Nothing more, nothing less.

Jesus and the apostles also taught how to get there using love (as in the verb form). When true love is in the heart of a person, God will choose that person to populate his kingdom. Unfortunately, love has practically evaporated from the Earth today.
---Steveng on 2/25/19


Justification is a one time event. It's the very moment God declares you righteous the moment you put your faith in Jesus death and resurrection called the Gospel. Justification is not your born again experience. It is your legal standing before God.

If the law justifies, WHEN does the justification take place.....how long do you have to prove you can keep all the commandments? A day, week, year? And are you keeping it while still in the flesh? IMPOSSIBLE. So you say you keep it after you are Born Again...WRONG, because justification comes BEFORE our sanctification. So if you are already born again, you don't need to be justified.
49 PLUS scriptures say we are JUSTIFIED BY FAITH. And SANCTIFIED BY FAITH AS WELL.
---kathr4453 on 2/25/19


David this is what I believe. This is about JUSTIFICATION. This is the CONCLUSION . If you have a problem with it....I really don't care. I'm strengthen, established and settled in my Faith. I have been for many years. I,have peace with God and the peace of God.


Romans 3:24-26
24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God, 26 to declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
---kath4453 on 2/25/19


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Acts 26:18 to open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

David, this is also one of my favorite verses, as I remember the day the Lord showed me this. THE JUSTIFIED AKA THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH. It's been that way from the very beginning. See Hebrews 11.

This is what I BELIEVE David.
---kat453 on 2/25/19


David, the subject matter is JUSTIFICATION. Stop playing games.
---kathr4453 on 2/25/19


It's WRONG to build a doctrine over ONE VERSE without supporting scripture.---kathr4453

One verse?
What do we call the Ten Commandments? We call them The Law of Moses.

Which of those two words makes it the Law? Is it the word Ten, or the word Commandments? Of course, and I think you will agree, it is the word Commandments.

Gods Commandments are the Law. A commandment is a command,...not a suggestion! Some writers in the bible use the word Commandments, instead of the word Law. Every place in the New Testament where it says Keep Gods Commandments,...it means Keep Gods Laws.

Do a word search of the New Testament, and tell me how many places it tells us to keep Gods Commandments.
---David on 2/25/19


"OH Mary, sweet refuge of miserable sinners, at the moment when my soul departs from this world, my sweetest mother, by the grief that thou didst endure when thou wast present at the death of thy Son upon the cross, then assist me with thy mercy. Ketp far from me my infernal enemies, and come thyself to take my soul and present it to my eternal Judge. Do not abandon me, oh my queen. Thou, next to Jesus, must be my comfort in that dreadful moment. Entreat thy Son that in his goodness, he will grant me the favor to die clasping thy feet, and to breathe out my soul in his sacred wounds, saying, Jesus and Mary, I give you my heart and my soul."
The Glories Of Mary St. Alphonsus Liguori
---john9346 on 2/25/19


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No one was asked to WORSHIP the Bronze serpent...good grief.

The ones who sinned against God, were asked to LOOK AT IT. They didn't pray to,it, kneel to it, talk to it....so Nicole YOU stop making false analogies to support your idolatry.
---kathr4453 on 2/24/19


David, why do you obsess over ONE VERSE, when 49 verses say the opposite? No other verse says one is justified by the law except the one you continue to take out of context. It's WRONG to build a doctrine over ONE VERSE without supporting scripture. This is what CULTS DO. Paul is laying a foundation and you pull up one brick while Paul is still building and run with it, before the conclusion. "THEREFORE WE CONCLUDE" is where you missed the boat. Romans 3 CONCLUDE means to come to the END of his subject. Remember Paul nor any wrote in a "verse by verse" conclusion. They wrote in subject matter, with paragraphs, and CONCLUSIONS at the end of a particular subject.

You can play stupid. I know better.
---kathr4453 on 2/24/19


Melody, how DARE YOU! You are a hypocrite! You keep complaining about people changing your words and you do it to me all the time.

//You are defending your idolatrous beliefs, by you using Numbers 21: 1,4//

I DON'T have any idolatrous beliefs and you know it.

So, stop making excuses that you KNOW I don't worship idols because of Numbers 21:4-9.

So, unless you are willing to claim God told Moses to worship the bronze snake then STOP accusing me of what the Israel was using the statue.

You know I have Scriptures backing be up and it is MAKING YOU MAD!

Realizes you don't know what you are talking about.

Luke 6:37-38 LOOK IT UP
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/24/19


Nicole: You are defending your idolatrous beliefs, by you using Numbers 21: 1,4 - now read next and choose which one you'll be applying into your spiritual life for salvation and Eternal Life!



Exodus 20: 1 thru 4: "And GOD spoke all these words saying: I AM THE LORD thy GOD, which have brought you out of the land of Egypt (do you know why HE mentioned that nation, because of their idolatry - so to you will mean 'out of ??? ) - out of the house of bondage.

Thou shall not have 'other god's before ME. Thou shall not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in Heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water beneath the earth.

---Melody on 2/23/19


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Melody: I'm not sending judgment against any particular one,//

Hello?

I am that particular one.

//but just stating THE TRUTH and as THE LORD remind us in HIS WORD://

No you haven't.

You keep dodging Numbers 21:4-9.

So you are claiming the bronze snake NEVER happened in your so called 'truth'?

Answer the question and stop preaching to me.

I would think higher of you if you said one of two things:

Explain it.

or

Say I can't explain it, but I know you are still wrong.

SAY SOMETHING!
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/23/19


Samuel:

I'm not sending judgment against any particular one, but just stating THE TRUTH and as THE LORD remind us in HIS WORD: "And you shall know them by their Fruits" - if you have GOD'S SPIRIT DISCERNMENT - you can easily see who are for THE TRUTH and who are not and I don't see any wrong in saying what THE LORD saw HIMSELF from the very beginning: "Knowing this first, that no Prophecy of The Scripture is of any private interpretation". 2nd Peter 1:20
---Melody on 2/23/19


I never said I made a mistake Nicole.
---kathr4453 on 2/22/19


True Melody. But Jesus knew they were evil. If you have no first hand knowledge you cannot make that judgment.
---Samuelbb7 on 2/22/19


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So Kathr, I guess you are acknowledging you made a mistake.

Don't worry and feel bad. We all make mistakes and will continue making mistakes.

Lord knows I have and will continue.

We just have to acknowledge them and say sorry.

Saying sorry is a very hard thing to do. But truth me after saying sorry many times you will get use to the word as I have.

God bless.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/22/19


To those who have ears to hear and while still time to hear GO'S VOICE!

THE LORD HIMSELF called the wicked = 'wicked' and the evil - 'evil' and the hypocrites - 'hypocrites' and The harlot - 'harlot' . . . the one that is sending multitudes to hell and they themselves defend her until the end and unto hell itself with her . . . sad but true! . . . and so sad for those who hasn't heard THE TRUTH OF THE GOSPEL -but for those who have and rejecting it for following it's wickedness - well . . . they are choosing already their eternal damnation away from THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD and reprobate they chose to be!

TRUTH IS TRUTH until the end!
---Melody on 2/21/19


1 Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures,...


Jesus came to die for our sin, according to the scriptures.

This world and all not in Christ will perish....

Everything outside of Christ is sin. The New Heaven and earth is not a remake of the old.. Old things pass away behold I make all things NEW. This is not reincarnation Nicole.

Sorry Nicole, but your understanding is limited to a false restoration doctrine, like many who hold to that doctrine.

This world and all outside meaning outside of Christ will perish. Now the earth didn't sin, however it was corrupted because of sin, affected by the fall.
---kathr4453 on 2/22/19


Kathr: everything that has to do with this world and Adam 1 IS SIN.//

Wrong. The world is suffering because of Adam's sin.

//THis is why Jesus came in the flesh to die for sin,//

NO. Jesus came to die for man NOT sin.

//Satan brought it in this creation. Now exactly how....through a germ? NO. Was Adam 1 SIN before disobedience? NO.//

What? Germ? No one called sin a germ but you.

Again, satan didn't bring sin. He tempted Adam and Eve to commit a sin by disobey God. Disobedience was the sin.

Being tempted by satan ISN'T a sin.

If Adam and Eve didn't LISTEN to satan there wouldn't be any sin.

Remember satan COULDN'T get Jesus to disobey His Father.

Matthew 4:1-11
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/21/19


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Nicole everything that has to do with this world and Adam 1 IS SIN. THis is why Jesus came in the flesh to die for sin, where those who die with Christ ( your free will choice) die to sin. Sin never dies. The whole of the New Creation no sin will enter in. Satan brought it in this creation. Now exactly how....through a germ? NO. Was Adam 1 SIN before disobedience? NO.

Noun...person place or thing. Yes the whole of our person Adam 1 is sin. It can't be separated or isolated from our human life aka the flesh. That's why those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh.....Galatians 5:22-25. No longer I that live but Christ that lives in me. Our New Man, the new creature created IN CHRIST....has no sin. No sin IN CHRIST.
---kathr4453 on 2/21/19


Kathr, remember how you kept saying sin isn't a NOUN but a VERB???

//First Nicole needs a lesson on exactly why SIN is. It's not a NOUN--kathr4453 on 2/16/19

Since you love giving lessons then you need to take one yourself.

A lesson from God Who uses 'sin' as a NOUN!

Genesis 4:7

If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, SIN is crouching at your door, it desires to have you, but you must rule over IT.

'Sin' is the Noun.

'Crouching' is the Verb

'It' is the Noun.

How's that lesson from God?
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/21/19


HELLO Steveng!

Where's your apology for LYING on the Pope?

//Let me put it this way: Pope Francis is working for Satan. ---Steveng on 2/13/19

John 8:44
You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out his desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, refusing to uphold the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, because he is a liar and the father of lies.

And you have the nerve to say this?:

//The ultimate commandment of God is love - as in the verb form. Unfortunately, love has practically evaporated from the face of this world.---Steveng on 2/13/19

Why don't you follow God's Love Commandment with yourself first before attacking others?
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/15/19


Mike, since there isn't any time in Jesus' Kingdom you must understand the Kingdom of God has arrived.

Matt 4:17 and Matt 6:10. In Colossian 1:12-14
St. Paul speaks about us living in the New Kingdom.

So we are living as Children of the True Kingdom of God.

So I will explain it again. Saturday is the 7th day.

But Jesus Rose on Sunday which by His Resurrection He has SECURED our home with Him in His Kingdom.

Because Jesus ROSE the day AFTER Saturday we will NOT START OVER in the OLD kingdom.

Not the 1st day, BUT THE 8TH DAY!

Sunday is the 8th day.

We are in the New Kingdom Age.

Luke 5:39 applies to you if you celebrate the Sabbath on Saturday.

Luke 5:38 applies to the CC
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/14/19


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Mike:, Did you not read Jerry's statement to me?

Again, I didn't say God rested on Sunday. I said Jesus ROSE on Sunday.

God doesn't have time we do. He CREATED time for us. Please follow me.

There ISN'T time in His realm of Being.

So, When He Rose He Rose into His Realm of Being.

Which is the 8th DAY.

John 18:36 Jesus answered, MY KINGDOM is NOT of this world. If My Kingdom were of this world.

Remember the Jesus conversation with the Thief on the cross?

Luke 23:42-43 he was saying, "Jesus, remember me when You come in Your KINGDOM!" And He said to him, "Truly I say to you, TODAY you shall be with Me in Paradise."

His Kingdom is His Realm.

THUS the 8TH DAY
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/14/19


\\Nicole: My beef is not with you, but with Cluny. He stated that there was no sun worship prior to the time of Christ, and I proved him wrong - again.\\

WRong, jerry.

I never said there was no pagan sun worship.

I said there was no CHRISTIAN sun worship.

I also pointed out that sunrise services were a Protestant invention when they appeared in Christianity, and the pre-reformation churches never had any such custom.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/14/19


Sept 29, 2015 **Did Pope Francis Really Say Jesus Was a Failure?** Catholic Answers

*He was ADDRESSING a group of priests and religious, Pope Francis said: We can get caught up measuring the value of our apostolic works by the standards of efficiency, good management and outward success which govern the business world...But the true worth of our apostolate is measured by the value it has in Gods eyes...The cross shows us a different way of measuring success.

OURS is to plant the seeds: God SEES to the fruits of our LABORS.

And if at times our efforts and works seem to fail and produce no fruit, we need to remember that we are followers of Jesus and his life, HUMANLY SPEAKING, ended in failure, in the failure of the cross.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/14/19


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