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WRONG AGAIN!

St. John in Revelation was told to seal up what the seven thunders uttered.



Show where i'm wrong??
---john9346 on 3/23/19


Steveng:

I agree that we can create plagues galore. I was just saying that assault helicopters, such as the ones that were used in Vietnam, aren't the locusts of Revelation, because they behaved differently. It's possible that in the future, something similar may fit that description, but not yet.
---StrongAxe on 3/22/19


Strongaxe wrote: "However, these locusts had power to torture men five months, and they didn't harm plants, so this couldn't be..."

There are many diseases, viruses, and frequencies that can only harm the human body, but not plants. Most of the diseases are created in the laboratory like the zika virus. Man has been creating harmful virus since the 1930s. With today's knowledge, man can create anything even virus or even mutated virus. It's called biological warfare.
---Steveng on 3/20/19


\\False the only given this charge was Daniel...
---john9346 on 2/24/19\\

WRONG AGAIN!

St. John in Revelation was told to seal up what the seven thunders uttered.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/19/19


Steveng:

Revelation 9 describes locusts with golden crowns, faces like men, hair of women, teeth of lions, breastplates of iron, wings with sounds of chariots, and tails like scorpions with stings.

Anyone who has ever seen the film Apocalypse Now, or any similar war film, would immediately see the similarity with assault helicopters and their missile trails.

However, these locusts had power to torture men five months, and they didn't harm plants, so this couldn't be talking about Vietnam (i.e. helicopters spread Agent Orange as a defoliant, and their missiles killed). Still, the similarity gives as a hint as to what they MIGHT look like.
---StrongAxe on 3/18/19




steveng said, "In Revelation, John described an image of a helicopter. The people at John's time would envision the description just as John described it, but would not think of it as a helicopter since they did not know what a helicopter was.:"


Steveng, who said it was a helicopter?? present the verse or verses for this claim?


steveng said, "What other OT prophet written what God said, but did not understand and was told to bind it up a nd seal it?"

False the only given this charge was Daniel...
---john9346 on 2/24/19


john9346 wrote: "In order for any document to be understood the time it was written in mubst be known..."

In Revelation, John described an image of a helicopter. The people at John's time would envision the description just as John described it, but would not think of it as a helicopter since they did not know what a helicopter was.

What other OT prophet written what God said, but did not understand and was told to bind it up a nd seal it?
---Steveng on 2/24/19


Melody, please back up to John 1 Therefore, when the Lord knew that the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and BAPTIZED more disciples than John (though Jesus Himself did not BAPTIZE, but His disciples),//

We all know John BAPTIZE using WATER.

John 1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with WATER, but there stands One among you whom you do not know.

So that means Jesus TOLD the Disciples to baptized with WATER as well.

In Cana, Mary told Jesus they ran out of wine. Why didn't Jesus just filled the jugs with wine? Afterall the jugs were emptied.

(As you all claim Jesus didn't need water to baptizes us.)

But Jesus told the Servants to FILL the jugs with WATER first before making WINE. John 2:6-10
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/24/19


THE LORD explaining the Samaritan woman at the well, about the spiritual meaning of 'water':

John 4: 13:14 - "Whosoever drink of this water, shall thirst again". But whosoever drink of THE WATER that I shall give him, shall never thirst, but THE WATER that I shall give him, shall be in him A WELL OF WATER springing up into eternal life". . . THE LORD was speaking about THE LIVING WATER/HIMSELF coming into the sinner's spiritual heart and pouring in the spiritual cleansing and purifying that only can come from HIS PRECIOUS BLOOD AND SPIRIT - as A MOST SUBLIME SACRIFICE to us all sinners - being Born Again from Above!
---Melody on 2/23/19


Steveng:

In order for any document to be understood the time it was written in mubst be known...
---john9346 on 2/23/19




Nicole no scripture says we need water for the spirit to save us. What spirit are you referring to?

The ONLY SPIRIT is that of the Life giving Spirit of Jesus Christ. And NO SCRIPTURES says Jesus needs water to add to HIS SPIRIT to save you.

Not all baptism in scripture is about water. Jesus Baptism is about FIRE...no water is mentioned.

Just like you TWIST Peter being the Rock and Cannibalism and purgatory, and praying to Mary, and only Roman Catholic appointed saints are the real saints etc.......rosary beads, and on and on....you MAKE UP what you want to believe.

Many received John's water baptism and were NOT BORN OF WATER OR THE SPIRIT.....
---kathr4453 on 2/23/19


In the Evangelical/Christian Denominations - they have Baptism by immersion (and I went through that while very young) - but taken by someone that have accepted THE LORD JESUS CHRIST as their Personal SAVIOR AND LORD and in that, in dedication and a public testimony of their commitment unto THE LORD on their new Born Again Experience and to live a righteous life before THE LORD and under THE GUIDANCE OF GOD'S SPIRIT AND WORD: A person that has been truly saved, has received a new spiritual heart/conscience and the empowerment of THE HOLY SPIRIT so to live in obedience to THE LORD and under HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS AND GUIDANCE!
---Melody on 2/23/19


Kathr, I am going to believe you or the Bible?

You keep ignoring Jesus and RUNNING TO PAUL in order misinterpret his word to maintain your FALSE 'born again'.

STAY IN JOHN 3!

Jesus is clear. To be born again you need 'WATER' for the Spirit to save you.

If not, why would Jesus take the time to say 'water' and the Spirit in John 3:5?

Are you saying Jesus our Lord made an MISTAKE? NO!

That's like saying Jesus can Rise WITHOUT being dying.

Maybe but that's NOT how His Father wanted!

Remember Matt 26:42? Jesus was praying but He had to DRINK THE CUP.

Stop spinning and get baptized with REAL WATER.

PRAYING ISN'T ENOUGH!

If it WASN'T enough for Jesus its ISN'T enough for you.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/23/19


Ezekiel 36:25 - Then I will sprinkle - --- Clean Water - Upon You, and ye shall be clean: From all your Filthiness , and from all your idols, will I cleanse you,

Ezekiel 36:26 - A New Heart also will I give you, And A - New Spirit - will I put within you, and I will take away the stoney heart out of your flesh, and give you a heart of flesh,

Ezekiel 36:27- And I will put my - Spirit - with in you, And cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
---RichardC on 2/22/19


Nicole again you are wrong. Born again is of the spirit. Galatians ....Born of the spirit. Jesus, the last Adam is that life giving spirit. 1 Corinthians 15. When we are baptized into to Jesus death, and raised up together with Him, we are born again. No water is needed here Romans 6.

Jesus clarified in John 3...that which is BORN of the flesh is flesh , that which is BORN of the spirit is spirit.

Faith in Jesus death and resurrection is all that is needed to be born again.

There is no verse equating water baptism as Being born of water.
---kathr4453 on 2/23/19


Kathr: Nicodemus didn't understand the SPIRITUAL BIRTH. He did understand the one of the flesh re water.//

You are making up Scriptures. He thought he had to return into his mother's womb.

He thought Jesus literally meant 'born again' John 3:4

He didn't use the word 'Baptism'

Jesus used 2 words to be born again. WATER AND SPIRIT.

When you are baptized you use water.

John 3:23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much WATER there: and they came, and were baptized

//The no Scripture//

Acts 8:36 As they traveled along the road, they came to some WATER and the eunuch said, Look, here is water. What can stand in the way of my being BAPTIZED?
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/22/19


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I disagree with you Nicole. Nicodemus didn't understand the SPIRITUAL BIRTH. He did understand the one of the flesh re water.

Also Acts does not say one is BORN OF WATER when water baptized. No scripture does.
---kathr4453 on 2/22/19


I disagree with you Nicole. Nicodemus didn't understand the SPIRITUAL BIRTH. He did understand the one of the flesh re water.

Also Acts does not say one is BORN OF WATER when water baptized. No scripture does.
---kathr4453 on 2/22/19


We are saved by trusting the gospel of our salvation, the best explanation being 1 Cor 15:1-4, not by faith in feelings, churches, popes, religious systems, good works, hard work, church going, angels, miracles, or any of the millions of things people of faith believe.
The gospel of our salvation is the finished work of Christ on our behalf (Eph1:13).
One thing saves. Only one faith is acceptable. Only one faith was taught by Paul as the gospel. That is faith in Christs death for our sins, his physical burial, and literal resurrection for our eternal life.
Christs cross work is what saves. Is your faith in that?
---michael_e on 2/22/19


And THE LORD answer to those who were in all kind of different wickedness and sins (as the thief at the cross) - "and so you were", but now you have been cleansed and saved by true repentance (who can deceive THE LORD - as HE can clearly see the spiritual heart of man?) - and so it was with the thief at the cross - THE LORD saw his true repentance before HIM and his sincere belief and acceptance of THE LORD as the only salvation and hope for eternal life, and so now under GOD'S Kingdom he is with the rest of GOD'S Own - his living in sin on this world - never to be remembered again!
---Melody on 2/22/19


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Wow Kathr, you think just like Nicodemus.

John 3:4 How can someone be born when they are old? Nicodemus asked. Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mothers WOMB to be born!

John 3:5b unless they are born of WATER and the SPIRIT.

Now, Kathr do not CHANGE Jesus' words or ignore this chapter. Also DON'T try to make this chapter into WHAT you WANT to BELIEVE.

You receive the Holy Spirit when you are baptized.

Peter agrees with Jesus and states the SAME ORDER of receiving the Holy Spirit.

Water FIRST then Spirit.

Acts 2:38 Peter replied, REPENT and be BAPTIZED, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ FOR the FORGIVENESS of your SINS, and you WILL RECEIVE the gift of the HOLY SPIRIT.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/22/19


Steven:

You must repent from the blasphemy that came out of you about THE LORD not being GOD - repent before HIM and ask HIM under HIS MERCY for the forgiveness of this terrible condemnation that you are and to save you (and under the midst of this spiritual darkness that you are and not understanding THE LORD GOD DIETY)- to reveal HIMSELF to you as THE TRUE I AM that HE IS and that right now under your own human flesh you cannot conceive THE MIGHTY POWER OF GOD - that became MAN to die for our sins: Pray to THE LORD and then read Isaiah 9:6 - GOD loves you and desires to set your free!
---Melody on 2/22/19


"GLORY to THE ONLY TRUE GOD - CREATOR, REEDEMER and the soon coming KING of Kings - THE LORD JESUS CHRIST - ONE WITH THE FATHER that under HIS MOST SUBLIME DIVINITY - became MAN to save us from our sins". . . and for those who still cannot accept this so Glorious Truth: How can we sinners be cleansed and delivered from our sins and set spiritually free - if not by THE PRECIOUS GOOD OF GOD HIMSELF? - reflect on that!

"To THE ONLY WISE GOD AND SAVIOR, be glory, majesty, dominion and power - both now and forever" Jude 1:28
---Melody on 2/22/19


"GLORY to THE ONLY TRUE GOD - CREATOR, REEDEMER and the soon coming KING of Kings - THE LORD JESUS CHRIST - ONE WITH THE FATHER that under HIS MOST SUBLIME DIVINITY - became MAN to save us from our sins". . . and for those who still cannot accept this so Glorious Truth: How can we sinners be cleansed and delivered from our sins and set spiritually free - if not by THE PRECIOUS GOOD OF GOD HIMSELF? - reflect on that!

"To THE ONLY WISE GOD AND SAVIOR, be glory, majesty, dominion and power - both now and forever" Jude 1:28
---Melody on 2/22/19


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Most important about baptism: If a person has not been Born again/saved - baptism won't do anything to those still that have not from the heart truly repented before THE LORD and those who still are under a wicked spiritual possession as it is a religion that transgress against THE LORD AND THIS COMMANDMENTS - they can practice baptism, but it won't bring any salvation to them as their souls have not been regenerated by GOD'S SPIRIT because their own rebellion against GOD'S HOLINESS by practicing idolatrous and false doctrines, they are so spiritually blind that even when they read what THE LORD admonishes - they ignore it and have become reprobate to listen to THE TRUTH and follow IT!
---Melody on 2/22/19


Steven
Interesting point, and not all together improbable. But this man has been identified as a thief. What do you make of the teaching below?

(1 Corinthians 6:9-10) Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdom of God? Be not deceived: Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor the effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners shall inherit the Kingdom of God.
---David on 2/22/19


Born of water and the spirit...

Let's see, the following verse clarifies the water as the natural birth, our human birth, ( OH MY WATER BROKE) I thought Nicole was a Nurse...

And born of the Spirit is our Spiritual Birth....

The verses in John 3 say absolutely NOTHING about water being a water baptism resulting in a water birth.

So you again misappropriated scripture to misappropriate your false doctrine.
---kathr4453 on 2/22/19


John 4:14
But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst, but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a welling up to eternal life.

Jesus said my words are Spirit and life.

The water of the Word

Being Born Again, not of corruptable seed, but by the WORD OF GOD.

John 3 say, that which Is born of the flesh is flesh, ( water) that which is born if the spirit is spirit. ( spirit). Also water came out of Jesus side showing he was flesh.

Water Baptism also is never referred to in scripture as being BORN OF THE WATER.

Scripture teaches scripture.
---kath4453 on 2/22/19


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Let me understand your strange thinking.

Jesus who didn't sin allowed John to baptize Him in the Jordan.

But you all don't have to be baptized.

Jesus tells His Apostles to baptize everyone from in Nations, but to you all 'everyone' doesn't include you.

When the men heard Peter's speech after the descent of the Holy Spirit they asked Peter what should they do. Peter tells them to be baptized.

But you all don't think you all should be baptized.

The Eunuch who after he was instructed by Phillip (The Holy Spirit literally AND physically sent Phillip) asked Phillip to baptize him.

But you who WASN'T personally instructed directly by an Apostle of Jesus believe you DON'T HAVE to be baptized.

???
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/21/19


Kathr: the verses in Peter are about Jesus baptism ...WITHOUT WATER. The one Jesus baptized with is with FIRE.//

The same word 'baptism' is the same word when Phillip baptizes the Eunuch in Acts 8:36-39a

//Noah never touched the water. And everything under the water during the flood DIED....//

???

Before Jesus.

Besides it states Noah was righteous BEFORE the flood. Genesis 6:9

//It's not the washing away of the sins of the flesh......can't you see it clearly states that.//

You are the one making excuses because you don't want to believe John 3:5

Jesus answered, Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of WATER and the SPIRIT (Fire).
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/21/19


David,
A majority of christians do not understand what is written in the bible. They apply today's knowledge to what was written two thousand years ago.

As an example, let's say it's Friday afternoon. Your friend is worried that he cannot find a job. You then say "Not to worry. Starting today you are working for me." Even though he starts on Monday.

Got it?
---Steveng on 2/21/19


Steveng, I don't know how the Thief on the cross was Saved. Nor do we know how babies not baptized are Saved.

But, we know Jesus' 2nd Name is MERCY.

How does that PREVENT you from following Jesus' instructions?

You are suffering from Peter's syndrome.

John 21:15-22 ...Then He said to him, Follow Me!.....Jesus answered, If I want him to remain alive until I return, WHAT IS THAT TO YOU? YOU MUST FOLLOW ME.

Are you saying Jesus was mistaken in Matthew 28:19?

Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, BAPTIZING them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

NOTE: VERB as in Action.

STOP making excuses.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/21/19


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Nicole, was the thief on the cross baptize with water?---Steveng

Steven
When Jesus promised the thief, paradise, was he talking about heaven?

If he was, why did Jesus say,Today you will be with me in paradise? Was Jesus in heaven for the 3 days, before his resurrection?
If your answer is No, the paradise Jesus promised the thief heaven, could not have been heaven.

Something to think about?
---David on 2/21/19


Steveng:

"(Matthew 3)."

Steveng, this is Jesus as a man not as God.

(Matthew 27:46-47)

Again, this is Jesus speaking as a man.

Jn 1410 is again Human Nature.

Your confusing Divine Nature and Human Nature.

Only God alone my friend can atone for sin on the cross, forgive sins, walk on water, control nature a mere man cant...
Please read Phil 2:6-11 while we discussing this...
---john9346 on 2/21/19


Nicole, the verses in Peter are about Jesus baptism ...WITHOUT WATER. The one Jesus baptized with is with FIRE. Noah never touched the water. And everything under the water during the flood DIED....

It's not the washing away of the sins of the flesh......can't you see it clearly states that.

In acts there was those with John s water baptism. And they did not receive the Holy Spirit. Hadn't even heard of the Holy Spirit. The one with the Holy Spirit comes with FIRE because of the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Why keep using a verse that debunks your doctrine. Is it IGNORANCE, OR WHAT?

Nicole, you really have no business teaching others.
---kathr4453 on 2/21/19


Nicole:

Stop deceiving yourself under your own made up 'gospel':

You can preach all you want that 'baptism save us'- but better get to the root of where true and acceptable Baptism applies:

If you keep on believing in false ritualistic doctrines that have added their own false teachings and under idolatry that are an abomination unto THE LORD - you can keep on preaching baptism and putting it under action - but it won't do anything to you or others that are sinning against THE LORD'S HOLINESS by these blasphemous practices - and it doesn't matter if you won't like to hear THE TRUTH (deal with it)
as THE TRUTH is until the end and for those humble and wise to receive it!
---Melody on 2/20/19


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Nicole, was the thief on the cross baptize with water?
---Steveng on 2/20/19


1 Peter 3:20-21

who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah, while the ark was being built. In the ark a few people, only eight souls, were saved through WATER. And this WATER symbolizes the BAPTISM THAT NOW SAVES YOU not the removal of dirt from the body, but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

People STOP making excuses.

The Bible is CLEAR that Baptism is what Save us.

John, please explained how Mark 16:16 was added later?

So now you ONLY believe PART of the Bible?
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/20/19


Melody: Water baptism won't impart salvation to those religions that talk constantly about it to the respect,//

Salvation ISN'T based on feelings, but obedience to Jesus Christ

If you are Baptized as Jesus instructed in Matt 28:19 you are SAVED.

It doesn't matter the condition of the one who baptizes you. That person can be spiritually dead. It doesn't matter.

God isn't subject to ANYONE!

//but then teaching the souls into abominable doctrines of idolatry and distortion of GOD'S WORD://

Thank God that isn't me.

John, Acts 8:36 as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water, what doth hinder me to be baptized.

V38 was added by Protestants.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/20/19


John: Jesus in Jn 3:5 isn't referring to Baptism (water).//

Really?

Now you are making excuses.

Why would Jesus say WATER if it wasn't involved Baptism?

John 3:5 states WATER AND SPIRIT.

Not only that His own Apostles (Not you) agree that Baptism is used for Salvation.

Acts 2:37-38 Now when they heard this, they were PRICKED IN THEIR HEART, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, WHAT SHALL WE DO?

Then Peter said unto them, REPENT, and be BAPTIZED every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the REMISSION OF SINS, and ye SHALL RECEIVE THE gift of the HOLY GHOST. (also knew as the Spirit.)

Phillip is next!
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/20/19


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Nicole:

Water baptism won't impart salvation to those religions that talk constantly about it to the respect, but then teaching the souls into abominable doctrines of idolatry and distortion of GOD'S WORD: Shame that they read GOD'S WORD about it, but they put it aside - what could it be more sacrilegious and blasphemous than ignoring GOD'S RIGHTEOUSNESS AND PRECEPTS for the follow of wicked man-made religions? - their eternal separation from THE LORD'S PRESENCE they have chosen and that by listening to lies that comes from the deceiver and the depth of darkness!
---Melody on 2/19/19


Jesus is not God

John sees the Spirit of God descend like a dove upon Jesus and they hear God's voice from heaven say "This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved." (Matthew 3) Is Jesus a ventriloquist?

"My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?" If Jesus is God, why would He say this? (Matthew 27:46-47)

Jesus said, Dont you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing His work (John 14:10) The miracles Jesus performed was God working through Jesus just as God works through all Christians.
---Steveng on 2/19/19


Again your own words contradict your own spiritual walking, and you don't want to accept that they are directed to your own self:

Why don't you obey whatever HE said to do and directly from GOD'S WORD? - (not the 'false ones' that you keep adding) and putting in danger the sake of your own soul?

Why do you say that HE IS THE MESSIAH, but you remain into your own life of a deceitful religion and away from HIM and if you don't repent - this will be forever?

How come you don't follow whatever THE LORD ask of you? - and that to repent, forsake your idols and false doctrines and be saved before it's too late for you??? - as "for tomorrow - might not come" -
---Melody on 2/20/19


Nicole:

And just because Mary was chosen for THE LORD to be born in her body through THE HOLY SPIRIT - that doesn't make her one without sin and the abominable idol you have made of her - just accept that when you mention this is not to bring glory to THE LORD but because you still possessed by this false idolatrous religion that you still defend even against what THE LORD says about it - "The harlot" and that have been deceiving souls like you from centuries back - Shameful it is of your cultist promotion!
---Melody on 2/19/19


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steveng ask, "john9346 wrote: "Steveng, this was Jesus speaking as a man not God at this moment."

So, are you saying Jesus is God sometimes and man sometimes?"

No, the Lord Jesus had 1 will and 2 natures (Divine and human) example Jesus got tired, hungry other times he walked on the water, controled nature, and forgave sin.

Do you see, the 2 natures in harmonizing in different functions?
---john9346 on 2/19/19


Nicole:

Jesus in Jn 3:5 isn't referring to Baptism (water).

He is speaking of Water in its reference how the Spirit of God saves sinners see vs8

vs5 The Holy Spirit is a person,however, vs 7 and 8 again identifies how the Spirit works (*=(like wind)

Mk 16:16 isn't in Scripture it was a later added version...
---john9346 on 2/19/19


John, I am to believe you or Jesus?

John 3:5
Jesus answered,, Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can ENTER the kingdom of God unless he is born of WATER and the Spirit.

So do you ALSO believe the Spirit is figurative as well?

Mark 16:16
Whoever believes and is BAPTIZED will be SAVED,

John 5:24 backs me not you.

When Jesus uses the word 'hear' He means 'Obey' 'Do' whatever He said to do.

So Jesus said to be Baptized means you HAVE to be Baptized.

//10:26-29 states the Sheeps follows Jesus EVERYWHERE. So it backs me up again.

You can't say to Jesus I believe you are the Messiah and go back to your own life.

NO you have to follow and do whatever Jesus goes and asks of you.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/19/19


john9346 wrote: "Steveng, this was Jesus speaking as a man not God at this moment."

So, are you saying Jesus is God sometimes and man sometimes?
---Steveng on 2/19/19


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steveng said, "How do you explain when Jesus explicitly said to Mary, "my Father, your Father, my God, your God?"

Steveng, this was Jesus speaking as a man not God at this moment.
---john9346 on 2/18/19


nicole said, "Salvation is not a one time event. It is a continual process. Born again it is a gateway of Salvation that you grow by the God's Graces."

False, Jn 5:24 10:26-29 the Lord Jesus says salvation is 1 time, sanctification is progressive not salvation.

Jn 3:16 is to be interpreted in the context of Jn 3:5

Water in Jn 3:5 is figurative not litteral (baptism doesn't save a person)
---john9346 on 2/18/19


david said, "A (False) Doctrine does not bring folks their salvation,"
David, Paul inspired of the Holy Spirit disagrees with you ---john9346 on 2/17/19


I agree, but due to the 125 word limitation, I was forced to eliminate words in order to submit my comment. Before I eliminated words, my comment had the word (False) before the word doctrine.
---David on 2/18/19


Philippians 2:6 - Who being in the form of God, Thought it not robbery to be equal with God

Philippians 2:7 - But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Philippians 2:8 - And being found in fashion as a man, he humble himself , and became obedient unto death,even the death of the cross.

1 Timothy 3:16 - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the Flesh, justified in the spirit, Seen of angels ,Preach unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up to glory,

Manifest : ( Display or show ) a quality or feeling , By ones act or Appearance .
---RichardC on 2/18/19


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Nicole wrote: "Jesus is TRUE MAN AND TRUE GOD."

How do you explain when Jesus explicitly said to Mary, "my Father, your Father, my God, your God?"
---Steveng on 2/17/19


Romans 10:17- So Faith cometh by Hearing and Hearing but the Word of God.

Ephesians 2:8 - For By Grace Are Ye Saved Though Faith: And that not of Yourselves: It is a Gift of God,

Ephesians 2:9 - Not of Works, Lest any man should boast,

2 Timothy 3:16 - All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, And is Profitable For Reproof For Correction, For Instruction in Righteousness:

2 Timothy 3:17 - That the Man of God may be made perfect, thought furnished unto all good works

Hebrews 11:6 - But without Faith it is impossible To please Him: For he that cometh to God must Believe that he is, and that he is rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
---RichardC on 2/17/19


david said, "A Doctrine does not bring folks their salvation,"

David, Paul inspired of the Holy Spirit disagrees with you

Hear the Word of the Lord "Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine, continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee."
1 Tim 4:16
---john9346 on 2/17/19


Melody, I know many sincere people who were not sure of their Salvation.

Salvation is not a one time event. It is a continual process. Born again it is a gateway of Salvation that you grow by the God's Graces.

John 3:16 overshadows John 3:5 which intrigues me.

Jesus is clear that 'water' must be involved for eternal life. But Protestants value verbal method instead.

Method of response to God's call isn't clear to many Protestants.

David: All sin is sin against God.//

AMEN!

I guess 'guilt' you mean for choosing sin over God?

I would choose the word 'sorrow' which I guess is the same as guilt

Also, the smallest sin grieves us as if it was the most offense done towards God.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/17/19


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\\As I have said many times before Satan has had over two thousand years to divide christiandom up into over 75,000 different denominations each having their own ritual, traditions, ways of living and interpretation of the bible.\\

The worldly denominational "church" of Steveng is just one more division.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/17/19


David, Doctrine clarifies our Faith in a correct form.

Early Christians disputed Jesus' Human vs Divinity status.

The Church clarified those false spreading of Who Jesus is and not.

Jesus is TRUE MAN AND TRUE GOD.

You can't split Jesus. You can't say Mary is ONLY the Mother of Jesus. Thus Denying the Title the Mother of God.

Impossible. She can't be the Mother of part of Jesus.

Mary is the Mother of all of Jesus as True Man and True God.

So the Doctrine of 'Theotokos'. Greek for 'God-Bearer (Mother of God) declared in the Council of Ephesus, 431 AD

Doctrines are needed because as Jesus said the Church is a Mustard Seed that will grow.

Matt 13:31-32, Mark 4:30-32, Luke 13:18-19.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/17/19


If you don't know Gods will you cannot live a life in Christ. Ignorance of Gods will condemns us to death.
If you are ignorant of Gods will, and continue to say you are living your life for the Lord, you are deceiving yourself.
Truth is you are doing your own will, and calling it Gods. This is rebellion.
Right division points you to Gods plainly revealed will in the Bible.
Learn Gods will: 1 Tim 2:4, Eph 1:9-10, Eph 3:8-10, 1 Thess 4:3, and 1 Thess 5:16-18.
Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is. Eph 5:16
---michael_e on 2/17/19


Nicole
You have the gist of it.
A Doctrine does not bring folks their salvation, but it does, bring them to God. This is when a personal relationship with God, as our Father, is meant to begin. Without the body and shed blood of Jesus Christ, this relationship would be impossible.

Good works...those commands given to us through Gods Holy Spirit, are the very foundation of this relationship, (John 14:21). This relationship is meant to change our hearts. Good works are acts of Love towards God and towards others. Good works heal the heart.

All sin is sin against God. In those who love God, there should be a tremendous guilt before God. The greater your love for God, the greater that guilt will be. No guilt...No love.
---David on 2/17/19


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michael_e wrote: "Truly, there are different gospels..."

Only ONE gospel that Jesus and the apostles taught - and every true christian thereafter: The soon to come Kingdom of God. Nothing more, nothing less. They also taught how to populate God's kingdom from where we are now and that is LOVE (as in the verb form). Without works, faith is dead.

Israel and the true church (the christians) ARE one. Christians are grafted into the jewish line and are given the promises of Abraham.

God's grace is his mercy upon all mankind from the beginning.

There is one difference between the OT and the NT. All the laws are the same. The only difference is the OT in of a physical nature and the NT is of a spiritual nature.
---Steveng on 2/17/19


"THE LORD said: I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE, and no one comes to THE FATHER but by ME" - and why keep on bringing all these questions in reference to salvation when it's clearly said so in GOD'S WORD? . . . someone that has the assurance of salvation, it's not going to go through this constant contradictory subject, for THE LORD CONFIRMATION is solid within his heart and his reliance depends upon THE LORD HIMSELF and of course as well in the acceptance of HIS WORD - for righteousness and against wickedness that a true Born Again Believer will depart from it forever: "Decide WHOM you are going to serve and reverence now". . . The Bible is clear about it in the choosing!!!
---Melody on 2/16/19


A person does not need to belong to a denominational "church" to believe what is written in the bible. Belonging to a denominational "church" is detrimental to the spiritual health of a person.

As I have said many times before Satan has had over two thousand years to divide christiandom up into over 75,000 different denominations each having their own ritual, traditions, ways of living and interpretation of the bible.

Is Christ divided?
---Steveng on 2/16/19


\\As you know, I dont believe in Catholic or Protestant teachings, \\

In other words, David, you don't believe in the deity of Christ, His Resurrection, His Ascension, or His immanent personal return.

You don't believe in His Virginal conception and birth, or inspiration of Scripture.

These are among the teachings of both Roman Catholics and traditional Protestants.

And you just said you rejected them.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/16/19


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David: Romans 2:12-15//

I wish to cover the whole chapter. It backs up the Luke 12:47-48 in my opinion.

I guess you are claiming God comes to us in our limited knowledge and understanding of Him?

He credits the correct knowledge.

CC Doctrines safeguards the Faith of Jesus.

Such as the doctrine of composing music.

You must 1st have the basic laws of music.

Once someone learns this they are capable of composing music.

One also compose bad music.

A lister of music can differ bad music from well composed music.

As long as they are in the right camp. In other words they don't have to understand the basic to understand the quality of the music.

Do you follow?
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/16/19


Truly, there are different gospels in the Bible.
Israel and the Church, the mystery body, are not the same. Works were required under the law, but not required under grace.
The mystery of Christ and salvation was hidden from ages and generations past until revealed to the apostle Paul.
Salvation from sin couldn't be given to anyone apart from Gods grace.
God only can save. The only way he can save is by his grace. His grace is always merited by Christ and his work by the cross.
Salvation is available to all, but only given to those that believe.
This understanding of salvation is made plain in Pauls epistles, and is witnessed by (but hidden from) the law and the prophets (Rom 3:21).
---michael_e on 2/16/19


David: Romans 2:12-15//

BINGO!

We are talking!

I would like to debate your first statement about false doctrine in the CC.

It's false to because of your mistaken interpretation of the doctrine.

EX: Protestants say we believe Mary is God. Evidence to them: Mary is the mother of God.

CC- Doctrine PROTECTS the Divinity of Jesus.

If she is the mother of Jesus You MUST acknowledge she is the mother of God.

It isn't any different than to say Mary is the mother of the boy.

We are not calling Mary a male or a god. We are stating fact.

She is the Mother of Jesus.
She is the Mother of a Male
She is the Mother of God.

We can say all that because Jesus is a Male and God.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/16/19


nicole said, "
It seems people don't believe God can save people unless He does it their way."

If it is not the way of Scripture then it is not the way at all.
God


---john9346 on 2/15/19


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Nicole:

And you said it right for unless is by GOD'S SPIRIT bringing salvation through The Born Again Experience - no one can be saved and as many falsely believe they can by adding their own spiritual distorted doctrines - what a fallacy!

Once the souls have been saved, GOD'S SPIRIT within will reveal HIS WORD and the soul not only will accept IT under HIS DISCERNMENT - but apply it into his own life and for Righteousness, and as to the last Book of The Bible". "If you love ME - says THE LORD: Keep my COMMANDMENTS - only THE LORD can empower the soul to keep THEM!
---Melody on 2/16/19


Nicole
As you know, I dont believe in Catholic or Protestant teachings, but I do see the Love of God in some of those who attend those churches. I have also seen God bless their lives. Why would God do this, if they were following a false doctrine?

It is because they unknowingly,...are not following these doctrines, in actuality they are following Gods Holy Spirit. Why do I say this?

Both Catholic and Protestant doctrines teach their partitioners, We are not Under Gods Law. But if a person is keeping Gods Law, therefore putting themselves under Gods Laws, are they following the doctrines which teach, We are not under Gods Law?(Romans 2:12-15)
---David on 2/16/19


"Why the way God saves someone make a difference to some on CN?"
Because believers come to this forum to share to good news and to read that which shared. "It seems people don't believe God can save people unless He does it their way." The way has been documented and without that documentation His children would have no way of knowing, The Way. What a man believes, If not written, or if contrary to the word of God, is irrelevant.
---josef on 2/16/19


It seems people don't believe God can save people unless He does it their way.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/15/19


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