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What Are Lords Commandments

The children of Abraham were told to keep the Ten Commandments, those commandments were more commonly called, the Law of Moses. We are told to keep the Lords commandments, only his commandments are not called commonly called, the Law of Christ.

Why is one called the Law, and the other is not?

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No one is SAVED by keeping the law. Justification is our salvation, and we are justified BY FAITH in what Jesus did, not what we do.

Secondly, sanctification, that is, after one is saved is being conformed to the Image of Jesus Christ, being CHANGED FROM GLORY TO GLORY BY THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD. 2 Corinthians 3, again something the Lord does, not something we do.

No saved person chooses to sin. So the argument is MUTE.....and only an issue with those who have no clue what being IN CHRIST is about. So all this excessive talk is just more of people to sound more righteous than they really are. OUR righteousness Is the righteousness of Christ. Please know the difference.
---kathr4453 on 3/19/19


Samuel - Amen for what you testified: THE LORD JESUS IS GOD and HE gave The Law and by HIS WORD - not better explanation about IT, so let's remain under GOD'S LEADING and no one else's!

Matthew 5: 17, 18, 19 "Think not that I come to destroy The Law, or the Prophets, I'M not come to destroy, but to fulfill".

"For verily, I say unto you: Until heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle, shall in not way pass from The Law, until all be fulfilled".

"Whosoever shall break one of these least Commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in The Kingdom of Heaven, but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in The Kingdom of Heaven". . . Selah!
---Melody on 3/19/19


Kathryn
You learn a great deal more from those who disagree, than from those who agree. So though we may disagree, I believe we both benefit from our discussions.

You have caused me to look for evidence I may have not seen, if you had not opposed my position. So though you may not believe this, I do look forward to our conversations.

But I do wish you would could give one, 125 word response, at a time, so others could give a proper reply.
---David on 3/18/19


David, I've checked around other threads and see others likeminded have rebuked you. Micha for one. I just see those who believe the Gospel of Grace have actually left CN. Others still here do defend GRACE/FAITH, but for the most part, it's just an endless argument that ends in insults and fighting and smoke screens. BUT in no way does that prove YOU are right and those who oppose legalized grace are wrong. You continue to suggest you are right every time I say I'm done. Stupid me keeps biting that fake worm. BELIEVE WHAT YOU WILL DAVID. Ya Just can't help those suffering from delusions.

And only YOU changed the subject, to hating your mother and father etc, when things got a little hot for you. Your NOT right David.
---kathr4453 on 3/17/19


Kathryn
If you want to get away from the subject, just bow out. There is no reason to create these diversions. Whenever you see what I am saying is true, you hide from it, and call people names, or try to turn the table by changing the subject.

Have you noticed, though just about everyone on CN believes as you, about the Law, noone but you defends your belief about it? Thats because they are wise enough to see the truth in my posts.
---David on 3/17/19




This difference is part of different understandings of Scripture. For instance to me the Ten Commandments are part of the laws of Christ.

But those who think they are for Jews only. Call them the laws of Moses.

But it is GOD who gave the laws. So since Jesus is GOD. He gave the ten and others. So they are the laws of Christ. He also repeated some. Matthew 5.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/17/19


Back to the subject.

Romans 9: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

Galatians 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are OF FAITH ,the same are the children of Abraham.

Let's let scripture teach us TRUTH as to who the "children of Abraham" are. The Covenant God made with Abraham ALSO was 430 years before any law.

Then we have the "Children of Israel" ....a totally different group.

When I hear LEGALISTS say Children of Abraham, I think.....JW or Mormon. No one else uses that reference.....unless out of TOTAL IGNORANCE. If that is the case, they should NOT be teaching anyone scripture.
---kathr4453 on 3/17/19


\\Christian Love - your words don't show at all --\\

Do you actually think that YOUR words do, Melody?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/16/19


Melody, Deal with your own hypocricy first before judging others. Also,check out Galatians 1 and deal with THAT TRUTH FIRST.

David, that was not your original post, but I'm not going to argue with you. You seem to change your words often, so it's useless to continue with you.

You originally said (AFTER being taken to Paradise AFTER YOU KEPT THE LAW, ( because you kept the law,) you didn't want to leave and THAT left you suicidal. Now you claim you repented from contemplating life or death....and THAT is now why you are saved? I said before you were disconnected, changing your words often. Or just making up new words now ????

The LAW does not produce FRUIT David. Only walking in the Spirit does.
---kathr4453 on 3/16/19


David, please expound and give us all your actions of how you hate your mother and father and children and brothers and sisters, Grandpatents etc.

Do you obey this HATE. It's easy to pull up verses, harder to PROVE you obey them. Tell us all exactly how you obey them. Do you spit on your family, starve them what....how do you show your hatred for them.

We all need to learn from you how we too can obey and hate everyone since you've exalted yourself as being so much better that anyone else in your perfect obedience. And how do you know it's not your SINFUL FLESH doing the hating which would take no effort at all.

If you can't give examples of your hate....then you are a phony Bologna who is just all talk.
---kat453 on 3/16/19




Kathrn:

It's not worth my replying - but your offensive words are coming back to you and I just expected them as you always come against those whom you 'think' they don't agree with you (even thou they have the reason into doing it)!

Christian Love - your words don't show at all -- you accuse others of hypocrisy - and what about you? - since when I'm not supposed to expose THE TRUTH against those things that are sending the souls to eternal perdition? Would you come against THE LORD when HE admonish us to preach The Gospel of Salvation and to expose those things that are sending the souls to eternal perdition? - just remember this: HE IS THE ONLY PERFECT not any of us - as the Pharisees believed they were - blind/foolish ones!
---Melody on 3/16/19


Funny but I dont see HATE as one of the fruit of the Spirit.... ---kathr4453

Kathryn
Funny, how someone with your supposed, spiritual insight, does not recognize you argue against the Lord Jesus. For the verse I gave you are his words, not mine.

For the record, I have never contemplated suicide. I contemplated the meaning of life one night, all alone, because I found myself unable to find happiness.

This void caused me to turn to the Lord, and being led by the Holy Spirit, I repented. The void was instantly filled with Joy, and I have never looked back. But I can see why you feel my turning towards the Lord, when searching for a reason to go on, is suicidal.
---David on 3/16/19


Melody, if have purposely refrained from answering you because you are also not well versed in scripture, your only well versed in attacking Catholics. I've also been aware you cannot defend salvation by GRACE, as you always seem to side with the law keepers. This is why I believe you are also a false teacher, hiding behind Catholic bashing to make folks think you are so spiritual. LOVE tells the truth Melody no matter how it hurts. You don't mind hurting the Catholics now do you, showing what a hypocrite you really are. You are a double minded man Melody, unstable in all your ways. Spouting off trying to sound so righteous is just more PhariseeISM. Jesus had pretty harsh words for you all. Are you also accusing Him too?
---kathr4453 on 3/15/19


Mixing Law and Grace, legalizing Grace, Paul calls an accursed Gospel. There is no way around it, it is an enemy of the Cross. It can't be glossed over any more than those who believe Catholicism is false and don't hold back with their assessment. Surely telling the Truth and standing up for TRUTH can be seen as unloving. But it's hypocritical to bash Catholics and Catholicism but find those distorting the GRACE of God as innocents. What it shows is those defending those legalizing GRACE are just as guilty of false doctrine as the very people they bash. Helping to promote a false doctrine is promoting a false doctrine.
---kath4453 on 3/15/19


Mixing Law and Grace, legalizing Grace, Paul calls an accursed Gospel. There is no way around it, it is an enemy of the Cross. It can't be glossed over any more than those who believe Catholicism is false and don't hold back with their assessment. Surely telling the Truth and standing up for TRUTH can be seen as unloving. But it's hypocritical to bash Catholics and Catholicism but find those distorting the GRACE of God as innocents. What it shows is those defending those legalizing GRACE are just as guilty of false doctrine as the very people they bash. Helping to promote a false doctrine is promoting a false doctrine.
---kath4453 on 3/15/19


The law of God is holy, just, and good. It's perfect, a reflection of Gods holiness. But, it's the last thing you want in front of you at the final judgment.
The purpose of the law is to expose sin. Sin deserves death and that means you lose at the judgment. Being subject to it will hurt you not help you because you are part of sinful humanity. (Gal 3:10)
Even if God had given just one commandment you would fail to keep it just as your father before you. (Rom 5:12)
Ten Commandments are like an army aiming its weapons on the target which is your soul. If you didnt break the first one there are nine more to hold you accountable.
---michael_e on 3/15/19


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Kathryn:

"And the greatest is Love" - and why you don't show it? . . . for constantly you are offending others as with your words to David where you wrote that GOD'S LAWS cannot be in an unsaved heart and in reference to him: if David is talking about keeping The Law is because his heart is for THE LORD and not as you twist his own beliefs about keeping THE COMMANDMENTS - didn't THE LORD say it: "If you love ME, keep MY COMMANDMENTS"? - there's no excuse of your offensive words for him, just because you don't agree in one thing: "If we don't have LOVE (yes, CHRIST'S LOVE) all of our words and works are in vain- and our preaching would be worthless and shameful!
---Melody on 3/15/19


David, the word suicidal came from you.

I find it interesting the verses you pluck out of scripture. I guess the Law of Christ now is to hate and not love? Funny but I dont see HATE as one of the fruit of the Spirit or see any of the NT Apostles expound upon hating anyone.

BUT what you see as literal, just may mean something else altogether. You would have to be spiritually minded to understand this one.

Your also not worthy David unless you give EVERYTHING you own to the poor...leaving you poor as well. What shelter do you live in? Food stamps? Welfare recipient are you? So you are a socialists too, living in communal circumstances? Remember you cant pick and choose what you want to participate in.

---kathr4453 on 3/15/19


David, there is NOTHING you can say that will change my belief -kathr4453

Kathryn
I know, only God can do that. Many people read CN, looking for logical answers to their questions. Those answers, which reconcile the teachings of all New Testament teachers.

Oh...And just because a person believes, being with God is better than being here on Earth, does not make them suicidal. You may want to read the Lords Gospel before you make such accusations.

(Luke 14:26) If any man come to Me and hate not his father and mother, and wife and children, and brethren and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.
---David on 3/15/19


kathr, have you read the part in Galatians that says that Jews are spiritually the children of the slave woman Hagar?---Cluny on 3/14/19

Paul explains this as a allegory. The children after the Flesh vs the children of PROMISE. You need to understand this allegory to understand the depth of what Paul was saying. Chapter 4 make clear that those who chose to be under the law, observing days , times , years etc, are still in bondage. May also reference Colossians 2 as comparative with that. Those are a shadow of things TO COME, most likely the 1000 year reign. That is not to the Church. We the CHURCH are ABOVE AND FREE, both Jew and Gentile making ONE NEW MAN. Christian Jews are not spiritual children of Hagar.
---kathr4453 on 3/15/19


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It is concerning that David believes he went to Paradise and back, leaving him suicidal and empty handed. The truth is, when we are Born Again, aka born from above, we are literally raised up together with Christ, seated with Christ in heavenly places IN CHRIST. THIS PLACE IS THE HIGHEST HEAVEN OF ALL. And once seated there we are always seated there....and it's no metaphor either. This place also does not leave you suicidal. It fills you with joy beyond words.

Christ Himself is my exceeding great reward. To God be the Glory for all He has done, and is able to KEEP all I've committed unto Him against that day. I've committed my whole life.

God bless David. I pray for you to find HIGHER GROUND that you don't have to leave.
---kathr4453 on 3/14/19


\\God did not set me free to put me back under the yoke of bondage. Galatians 5:1. Another Book you refuse to read or obey. \\

kathr, have you read the part in Galatians that says that Jews are spiritually the children of the slave woman Hagar?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/14/19


And David, there is no proof or back up to prove the Law of Christ is the New Covenant. The New Covenant replaced the old covenant. And no scripture says the Law of Christ is a Covenant anyway. The Covenanants in scripture are clearly defined as covenants. You rejected the LAW OF THE Spirit of the Life of Christ that set you free from the Law of sin and death. Romans 8:2. Also James refers to this as the Perfect Law of LIBERTY...LIBERTY meaning being set free from the power of sin.

God did not set me free to put me back under the yoke of bondage. Galatians 5:1. Another Book you refuse to read or obey.

David, there is NOTHING you can say that will change my belief in Galatians 2:20-21 .....so just deal with it.
---kathr4453 on 3/14/19


David, it seems we are going in circles comparing apples to oranges. You confuse salvation with sanctification. God does not put His laws into an UNSAVED heart. And if you are keeping these laws to earn salvation, what need is there then to put in your heart.
---kathr4453 on 3/14/19


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Kathryn
The Law of Moses is Old Covenant....The Law of Christ is New Covenant. As a Christian...you have put yourself under the Law of Christ.

(Hebrews 10:16) This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them.

(Romans 2:14-15) For when the Gentiles, who have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, they, not having the law, are a law unto themselves, which shows the work of the law written in their hearts,their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts between accusing and excusing one another.
---David on 3/14/19


Romans 10: 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:).....8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach,9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.11 ..13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
---kathr4453 on 3/14/19


Who can deny THE LORD'S OWN WORDS? = "If you love ME - keep MY COMANDMENTS" - but then - HE put to shame The Religious Pharisees that condemned HIM for THE LORD to heal and do miracles in The Sabbath - in this respect - we follow HIS PERFECT DISCERNMENT about it - as 'for every day is THE LORD'S DAY' - to live a Righteous Life and to worship HIM in SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH - Did THE LORD make an error on that? - absolutely Not!
---Melody on 3/13/19


Mike, Paul did not just end with GOD FORBID....Please finish what Paul said.
Romans 6:15-18

15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey, whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? 17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

The form of doctrine that set us FREE FROM SIN is Romans 6:1-14. Why do you guys continue to misrepresent Paul, and always stop short of letting him FINISH-AKA CONCLUDE?
---kathr4453 on 3/13/19


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If I wrote a book on caring for new borns, and had a chapter on using a pacifier, and made some comment that it quiets and soothes during this time or that, and I see you as an adult recommending and still using a pacifier , BECAUSE YOU NEVER READ THE CHAPTER OF HOW TO WEEN ONE OFF A PACIFIER, that it's used only for a short time or else prolonged use could cause speech problems past the age of whatever.....but you kept insisting...."look chapter one sentence 6 page 7, you said, you said...." And you refused to read the entire book, Yep....you would not only show stupidity, but possibly I could add to my book that prolonged use caused brain damage. Or just willful ignorance, either way shows stunted growth on the way to maturity.
---kath4453 on 3/13/19


Mike, I so glad you know the law can never earn salvation. This is what I have been going round and round about with David. Maybe you haven't been keeping up with the conversation.

We are saved by Grace through faith, it is a gift from God, NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast.

This is what David has a problem with.
---kat453 on 3/13/19


kath

the law defines SIN & brings a sinner to repent & faith in christ. the law will never earn salvation. the law is the EVIDENCE OF your faith. the Law is spiritual & the reason a believer obeys the law is because the SPIRIT is guiding them not the spirit abolished the law. flesh & spirit is against each other. why then did Paul say that for the wages of sin is death. Rm 7:7-9 knowledge of sin comes through the Law. Paul even said in Rms 6:15 what then? shall we sin, bec we are not under the law but under grace? GOD FORBID. many christians say the law is abolished but christ said he NEVER did until heaven & earth is done. is heaven & earth done? no
---mike on 3/13/19


The rewards are how we built upon the foundation... Wood hay stubble, or gold silver previous stone. Corinthians. Some works will burn up, others will come forth on Glory.
---kathr4453 on 3/13/19


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No scripture says man will be given rewards according to how they kept the Law.---kathr4453

Not the ones you may know, but there are some.

(Revelation 22:12) And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every man according as his work shall be.
(Revelation 22:14) Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the Tree of Life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
(Matthew 16:27) For the Son of Man shall come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He shall reward every man according to his works
---David on 3/13/19


Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Many will say Lord Lord haven't we done this and that....and the Lord will say I NEVER KNEW YOU.

The Law was a schoolmaster UNTIL FAITH CAME...to bring us to Christ. And now that FAITH has come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

I don't doubt David that you feel you can do good deeds to earn heaven, sad as that is, but if you're not IN CHRIST, in the SPIRIT and only doing through the flesh.....you're lost kiddo! The Pharisees made the same mistake. You may also want to read Romans 10 that shows exactly how they, like yourself totally missed it.
---kathr4453 on 3/13/19


James 2:26 - For a Body without a Spirit is dead, so Faith without works is dead,

1 John 3:24 - And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in us in him, And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us,

( Works in them self don't save the person , There a part of faith )

John 14:15
---RichardC on 3/12/19


kathr brought up an interesting point.

Chapter divisions were made in the Bible about 1000 years after the NT was written.

Verse numbers were added about the time of the reformation.

I'm not saying that these are not useful, but as kathr pointed out, they are not part of the original mss.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/12/19


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As I said David, Paul didn't write in chapters and verses, he wrote in subject matter , and concluded in what we see chapter 3 the CONCLUSION of his subject, that no one is justified by the law.---kathr4453

So then, you believe he was wrong in (Romans 2) when he said, the Doers of the Law will be justified, and then corrected his error in (Romans 3)?

You have selective hearing....sign of a cult.---kathr4453

Always with the insults when someone shows you, you are wrong.
---David on 3/12/19


The DEEDS David in Romans 2 are EVIL DEEDS. Didn't you get that by the beginning of the sentence?.

No scripture says man will be given rewards according to how they kept the Law....a law that is not the Law of Moses...as David showed scripture for that. And these deeds we see in Hebrews 11....are not a common list of deeds everyone is to do. Only Noah built an Arc, and he was rewarded , Abel sacrificed from the flock ...again was rewarded.

So exactly what DEEDS have you personally been asked to do David?

Look at the Pharisee below...listing all his good deeds..yet was NOT justified, but abased....scorned.

Come on David, let's hear you brag about YOUR DEEDS. The ones you think gives you entrance to Heaven.
---kathr4453 on 3/12/19


As I said David, Paul didn't write in chapters and verses, he wrote in subject matter , and concluded in what we see chapter 3 the CONCLUSION of his subject, that no one is justified by the law.
You asked what law ? Where is the list of saints who kept this non Moses Law? Hebrews 11? The Law of building an arc? Did you build one? The law of sacrificing your child? Did you do that? Did you reject the riches of Egypt counting the sufferings of Christ greater riches? Funny Moses wasn't recorded as perfectly keeping the law.

You have selective hearing....sign of a cult.
---kathr4453 on 3/12/19


David, I can't reiterate enough how taking one verse out of context is a dangerous thing to do.---kath4453

Kathryn
One verse? Open your eyes. (Romans 2) is an entire chapter dedicated to justification through the Law.

(Romans 2:5-6) But because of thy hardness and impenitence of heart, thou treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the Day of Wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who will render to every man according to his deeds

These Deeds, Kathryn are Gods commandments.

(Matthew 19:16-17) Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?...But if thou wilt enter into Life, keep the commandments.
---David on 3/12/19


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Look who Jesus JUSTIFIED

Luke 18:9-14
Two men went up into the temple to pray, the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.14I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased, and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
---kathr4453 on 3/12/19


David, God put in every human a moral conscience, as we see Paul shows in Romans 1-2. So this idea of total depravity is false. Man knows what stealing is. Paul never said anyone was a perfect DOER of any law, including the moral law or law of Moses. Man simply has fallen short of the Glory of God no matter how hard they try to DO. One day you might be a good DOER and the next totally fail... so....are you justified one day, and then UNJUSTIFIED when you fail to be a perfect DOER?

So God provided a perfect solution to this problem, and that in the Person of Jesus Christ. Only God is a perfect DOER of A PERFECT SINLESS LAW.

To claim you were justified by being a DOER, ONCE? , TWICE? never ending???one would ask WHEN?
---kath4453 on 3/11/19


David , do you UNDERSTAND what Paul is saying here?

Philippians 3: 6 .......touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, 9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: 10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death, 11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
---kathr4453 on 3/11/19


David, I can't reiterate enough how taking one verse out of context is a dangerous thing to do. I also showed you that no other verse makes this claim, and that using one verse to build a doctrine is what cults do. I also showed you that Romans is a letter, that Paul CONCLUDES what he is saying in Romans 3.....

Paul CONCLUDES that no one is justified by the law.

We are Justified by Faith in His Blood and saved By His risen Life.

Anything else is a CULT.

You cannot save yourself David by doing anything. You've rejected redemption IN CHRIST ALONE.

You've been shown scripture and now have no excuse. Scripture clearly says the law is NOT of faith.
---kathr4453 on 3/11/19


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Kathryn
You preach (Romans 3:20) Therefore by the deeds of the law, no flesh shall be justified in His sight,...

But you hide from (Romans 2:13) For it is not the hearers of the law who are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Paul tells us the Law by which we can not be justified, in (Acts 13:19) ....and by Him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the Law of Moses.

But through what Law are the doers justified in (Romans 2:13)?
---David on 3/11/19


Galatians 5:19-25 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these, Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
---kath4453 on 3/10/19


Galatians 5:16

16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

This makes it clear that when we walk in the spirit we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh AKA SIN. LAWLESSNESS ETC.

Paul,never contradicted Jesus, however Paul preached a more complete Gospel based on Jesus death and resurrection life.

If you are Christ's you are no longer in the flesh Romans 8. If you need the law to control your flesh, then you are still in the flesh and are not Christ's. It's very simple.
---kathr4453 on 3/10/19


Those IN CHRIST, who walk in the light don't even think of darkness or evil coming from darkness. STAYING IN THE LOVE OF GOD, also produces FRUIT, exactly what God wants from us. Galatians 5:22-25, Romans 7 ....John 15, seems Jesus covered this with Paul. Being a slave to righteousness does not produce lawlessness. If you were a slave to righteousness Romans 6, you would already know this. Your arguing shows only what you have never experienced ...and just to be clear, walking in the Spirit is not a metaphor. You can't sin while walking in the Spirit. You don't know this?
---kathr4453 on 3/10/19


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And the scriptures I posted came exactly through Jesus Christ David. Do you also object to Romans as man made or God breathed?---kathr4453

Kathryn
When I read the Gospel of Jesus Christ and Pauls epistles, I dont see Paul contradict anything Jesus taught in his Gospel. But when I hear your teaching of Paul, they do nothing but contradict what Jesus Taught, and surprisingly, even what Paul himself taught.

Folks who say Paul taught a Lawless doctrine, act as if chapters Iike (Romans 2) dont even exist. You must ignore teaching these chapters because they refute your doctrine of Lawlessness.
---David on 3/10/19


1)Stay in the LOVE OF GOD...love here is not a big burst of euphoric emotions, as this Love defines God , RE: PURE, HOLY, RIGHTEOUS, MERCY, LOVINGKINDNESS, ETC ETC.
2) WALK IN THE LIGHT( God is light, and in Him is no darkness)

3) PUT ON CHRIST

4) I love Ephesians...PUT ON THE WHOLE ARMOUR OF GOD. WOW with that ARMOUR we see it's far far above the law of Moses.

These are all included in the Law of LIBERTY where the Spirit of the Law of the life of Christ IN US has set us free from the law of sin and death.

These are things ABOVE, in heavenly places in Christ where there is no sun or moon. Seated IN CHRIST WITH CHRIST at the right hand of the Father. This place we SHOULD BE BRAGGING ABOUT.
---kathr4453 on 3/10/19


THIS place IN CHRIST in heavenly places is our HOME, right now as we speak. Colossians 3:1-4 THIS is what we should be celebrating and talking about. This place IS lawful to speak about, and shout about from the mountain tops.....This is what separates us from this present evil world. Not some sabbath keeping or law keeping that was given to EARTHLY ISRAEL for earthly blessings and earthly cursings . We're no longer "earthly," but heavenly, with a whole different set of commands. STAY IN THE LOVE OF GOD...WALK IN THE LIGHT AS HE IS IN THE LIGHT....KEEP YOUR MIND ON THINGS ABOVE AND NOT BELOW. RE The Law of Moses etc is BELOW.

Make a choice....are you ABOVE, OR BELOW? What you obey will make that obvious.
---kath4453 on 3/10/19


And finally David, THIS PLACE, above In Christ in heavenly places IN CHRIST is where the butterfly lives, the NEW CREATURE that morfed from that earthly caterpillar who once lived under the earthly elements of this world only...re the law.

That total transformation comes ONLY through being crucified with Christ, and raised up,a NEW CREATURE IN CHRIST, Romans 6, being conformed to HIS IMAGE through the struggles and fellowship of HIS SUFFERINGS...Phil 3 ascending and overcoming tnrough powers and principalities of the evil one to grasp hold of the victorious life IN CHRIST, Ephesians 1, can only be realized THROUGH FAITH IN HIS PROMISES, 2 Peter 1.

That's the real butterfly David...all right in scripture.
---kat453 on 3/10/19


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And the scriptures I posted came exactly through Jesus Christ David. Do you also object to Romans as man made or God breathed?

Your comments are astounding in it reveals so much about what you don't believe, more than what you do.

You make such comments because you simply don't understand what GOD is saying.

Also Romans 6 that we die to sin when we died with Christ....but you say loving God kills sin in you. You live by EMOTIONS and FEELINGS not by faith or truth or facts. No scripture says emotions in us kills sin.

My Godly hearts desire David is you would understand those verses I posted...as God put in my heart to give to you. Rebuke HIm David. I'm just the messenger.
---kathr4453 on 3/9/19


I can testify to a time of testing after I was saved, where we do first start off living in our emotions, and how I am so greatful for those lessons, even painful as they were the Lord showing me the difference between walking in the Spirit and being led by our emotions. And how Satan uses our emotions to counterfeit our walk. It's when our words don't measure up to spiritual truth we need to bring it all before the Lord and make sure we are not misrepresenting Gods Truth or the Gospels Truth.

David, either you are a baby Christian who has yet to be tested and tried, trying to explain your experience in human understanding, but one thing, we are not to speak our own words or make false claims of being taken to paradise and back.
---kath4453 on 3/9/19


BACK UP:
Hebrews 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

Our SENSES...WHICH IS OUR emotions as well as our ability to learning what is of God and what Satan can so masterfully imitate..IS A PAINFUL PROCESS.

Strong meat is the word of God..... NOT Baby talk, milk, mush mush etc as the opposite, showing they have not been EXERCISED YET.

Paul was given a thorn in the flesh too after being and shown things in Paradise, to keep him humble, and it lasted his whole life. God revealed the Gospel according to the MYSTERY to Paul at that time. It wasn't just some joy ride to brag about.
---kat453 on 3/9/19


\\Oh that Kathryn would grasp the Truth comes through Jesus Christ, and not through her.
---David on 3/9/19\\

Oh that David would grasp the Truth comes through Jesus Christ, and not through him.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/9/19


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Oh that David would grasp this truth.
---kathr4453 on 3/8/19

Oh that Kathryn would grasp the Truth comes through Jesus Christ, and not through her.
---David on 3/9/19


Read "False traditions" and answer from GOD'S TRUTH about it - accept IT and depart from wicked man self-made false religions that send the
souls to eternal perdition!

Read and verify what THE WORD OF GOD has to say about those abominable doctrines that have falsified THE GOSPEL and see if you recognize the terrible and dangerous spiritual loss state where you are -for if someone has the opportunity and blessing of listen to THE TRUTH and they ignore it -they are accepting their own eternal destiny - away from GOD'S ETERNAL KINGDOM - for it's clear that you are not Born Again as your own conscience and spirit won't follow THE LORD'S ADMONITIONS but chosen the darkness in which you are right now!
---Melody on 3/8/19


In the Orthodox Church, most questions for self-examinations are based on the positive Laws of Christ commonly called the Beatitudes.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/8/19


Jesus taught, A wise man puts his words into practice, a foolish man does not. (Matthew 7:24-26).

Why?
Because a man learns by doing, and the results will speak for their self.
Example: I tell folks they can completely cure their sprained ankle in one hour, by putting a paste made from cayenne pepper on it.

Sounds like foolish, but when they put my words into practice, and the ankle is healed, then they KNOW, the Truth. If they dont put my words into practice...they will never know.
---David on 3/8/19


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Romans 9: 6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Oh that David would grasp this truth.
---kathr4453 on 3/8/19


Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

If you attempt to be justified by the law - the commandments - then you will fail in one aspect or another and be found guilty of breaking the law. Living by God's Spirit fulfills all the requirements of the law since love of others fulfills the law. Read Romans 13:10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor, therefore, love is the fulfilling of the law.
---riolion on 3/7/19


\\as far as relieving myself, I am sure that if toilets were avaialble back then, they will not be using a shovel. duh...glory to the pope huh cluny
---mike on 3/7/19\\

I guess you have not grasped yet that I am Orthodox, not Roman Catholic.

If you think that the Orthodox Church is just like the Roman Catholic church except for the pope, then you clearly know nothing about either.

Please quote exactly what I have said about the Saturday Sabbath.

I'll bet you can't.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/7/19


cluny - i choose what to pick what God commanded.

from the past YOU ARE the one choosing & picking that the 4th commandment is done away by justifying 1st day sunday but you cannot answer a simple question: Did God sanctify 1st day sunday? you will use acts 20:7 1 cor 16:2 but God never said 'sanctify the 1st day.'

as far as relieving myself, I am sure that if toilets were avaialble back then, they will not be using a shovel. duh...glory to the pope huh cluny
---mike on 3/7/19


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Mike
Most folks are unwilling to buck traditional church teaching. When you see someone as a teacher, you naturally accept whatever they teach, and suspend all logic which refutes those teachings.

The evidence of Law existing in the New Testament, logically, is overwhelming. But folks override that evidence with a closed mind, closed because they trust in the teachings of men. Teachings which are not of God.

I try to appeal to their logic. Because logic, sheds light on foolishness. And hopefully, when they see the foolishness, they will use the Law as it was designed by God,...to convert the soul. We are not saved by the Law, but through the Love which the Law creates.
---David on 3/7/19


\\but clearly it says that PAUL never abolished the Law commandments of God. \\

Who said such a thing? Not I.

And you never asked me about the Saturday Sabbath.

OTOH, mike, when you have to relieve yourself, do you bring a shovel with you and go outside the city to do so, as God commanded?

Or do you pick and choose which of God's commandments you observe?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/6/19


You're welcome David. The reason I asked the question was because I knew some were confused concerning the laws that were "nailed to the cross", thinking that somehow the ten commandments were "done away with" when the new testament was initiated.
---josef on 3/6/19


david - christians & pastors will say 'we are not under law' or 'law has been abolished' or 'law is a curse' or 'law is bondage' or 'law is for JEWS only' you will get conflicting & inconsistent answers. I asked the 7th day sabbath & cluny, strongaxe will say 'we are not under the law' or 'esteemeth one day over the other' or col 2:16 let no man judge you in holy days, sabbath days. but clearly it says that PAUL never abolished the Law commandments of God.
---mike on 3/6/19


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Josef
I know your intention, was to separate them. I Thank you for that. You gave me something to think about. I knew they were separate, but never really thought about why. And your comment, along with Nicole, Steven and Cluny, gave me that answer.

The Ten Commandments are the Laws of Love, and that is why they are Perfect in converting the Soul (Psalms 19:7). Paul goes into Great personal detail (Romans 7) about how it was a commandment, that caused his death to sin.

In other words, he discovered, like me, his Love for God killed that which caused him to sin. Many folks believe this is metaphorical, when its not.
---David on 3/6/19


David I know Moses replaced the tablets he broke, the ten commandments, in the presence of the Lord, however that was not my question. My question was concerning the law of Moses, written in the "book of the law", placed "in the side of the ark of the covenant", (Deu 31:26) and later written "in the presence of the children of Israel." Jos 8:32 The ten commandment were placed "in the ark". Deu 10:2 The LORD's commandments [mitsvah], and that which was referred to as the law of Moses [towrah], were separate.
---josef on 3/5/19


Cluny: According to Judaism, there are 613 commandments in the Torah, not just 10.//

Yes, but you know they didn't consider the 613 at the SAME level as the 10.

The 613 Commands were used as a buffer to the 10

2nd (3rd)Commandment: Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.

In the 613 - Don't say God's Name so you won't take His Name in vain.
If you can't say His Name how are you going to verbally disrespect His Name?

Jesus does this in a HOLIER WAY with the 10 Commandments and NOT a buffer either. Matt 5:27-30

You have heard that it was said, You shall not commit adultery. But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart...
---Nicole_Lacey on 3/5/19


David where in scripture is the ten commandments referred to as the Law of Moses?---Josef

(Exodus 34:28) And he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights, he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote upon the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.
---David on 3/5/19


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The ultimate commandment Jesus spoke of, and one that is our ticket to heaven, is love (as in the verb form). Of which hangs the 10 commandments, of which hangs the 613 laws of Moses and the laws of the prophets.

The ten commandments are both physical AND spiritual. In the OT, it says it is a sin if you physically murder someone. In the NT, even if you have hate in your heart, you have murdered someone.

The way things are going in the world today, love seems to be evaporating rather quickly. Love is the obstacle that is keeping the antichrist from revealing himself.
---Steveng on 3/4/19


According to Judaism, there are 613 commandments in the Torah, not just 10.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/4/19


David, you are correct that Moses gave Commands to Israel. (613 after other people in his Chair Matthew 23:1-2).

But the 10 Commandments are considered at the 'Moral' Law that never changes. Those are the 'Law of Christ' if you want to call them as such.

Mark 10:3-9 What did Moses command you? he replied.
They said, Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce and send her away. It was because your hearts were hard that Moses wrote you this law, Jesus replied. But at the beginning of creation God made them male and female. For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh. So they are no longer two, but one flesh...
---Nicole_Lacey on 3/4/19


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