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He Is A Devout Catholic

Our daughter is going with a fine guy whom we like very much. There is one problem He is a devout catholic.. when he comes home with her he will attend our church but always attends mass on his own. Do you think we should discourage this relationship

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mike, what do your bewildering posts to me have to do with the price of eggs in Afghanistan?

Since I'm Orthodox, and not Roman Catholic, I honestly don't see what you're getting at. We have nothing to do with the Popes.

Can you explain, please?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/21/19


I think you should talk to him nicely. Ask him why is he Roman Catholic. Talk, Don't attack but talk and listen.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/21/19


John:

Why waste your time and energies in some that it's obvious that they are for the defense of a religion that everyone knows (and that by the centuries)- that they are under idolatry - and not only making 'Mary' an idol - but what a spiritual blindness it is . . . even of those who have been responsible and under GOD'S JUDGMENT now and forever into sending multitudes of souls away from salvation for the promoting of this false and pagan religion that can't ever be in unity with THE LORD - for GOD AND HIS PRECEPTS they have trampled upon and keep on doing it - by voluntarily remaining in the darkness - and as from GOD'S WORD ADMONITIONS are: "Leave" and just pray for them!
---Melody on 3/21/19


cluny - here is a verse for you - Mark 7:9 - 9 And christ said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
Mt 15:3 But Christ answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the COMMANDMENT of God by your tradition?
since you like holding to TRADITIONS OF MEN - glory to the POPE, cluny.
---mike on 3/21/19


john9346:

You wrote: I address your objection on other postings are you willing to look them up yes or no?

Sure. Just tell me which blog, and approximately what date.

must be able to sho is that God Qualities aren't attributed to Mary and saints.

No, that's not how it works. When you make an accusation, it's up to YOU to prove it's true, not other people's job to prove it's false. You have yet to show ANY official Catholic or Orthodox writings that attribute "God Qualities" to Mary and saints.
---StrongAxe on 3/21/19





strongaxe:


I address your objection on other postings are you willing to look them up yes or no?
---john9346 on 3/20/19


monk brendan said, "John, the various devotionals that you are quoting from are NOT OFFICIAL CATHOLIC DOCTRINE! To get to those, you must first READ and COMPREHEND the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Then, you must quote from that document."

strongaxe:

Tell me, If I provide you the postings where i've already address your unfounded objections will you read them??
Monk Brendan the devotions flow from the catechism and Rc Statements of Faith...,

How could you not know this as a monk???
---john9346 on 3/20/19


Hello Readers:

If Strongaxe is going to defend the notion that rc and EO don't worship icons then be must be able to sho is that God Qualities aren't attributed to Mary and saints. If you can show this using actual facts then the argument against icons is over
I haven'tbeen here in days and Strongaxe haven't shown anything...
---john9346 on 3/20/19


mike, if you're claiming that the Pope changed Saturday to Sunday, can you tell me which pope did it, when, and how?

And will this explain how ancient Christian churches founded by the Apostles, such as Assyria, India or China, that never had anything to do with the popes have Sunday and not Saturday for their main worship day?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/20/19


What GOD'S WORD has to say about what has been going on here for a long time and by those that even thou they have heard The Gospel - they keep rejecting it for their own false doctrines that contradict and blaspheme GOD'S WORD and it's foolish to keep on sharing with them -leave them alone!

Proverbs 17: 15, 16, 20 "He that justifies the wicked (under harlotry religions) and he that condemned the just , even they both are an abomination to THE LORD".

"Wherefore is there a price in the hand of a fool to get wisdom, seeing he has not heart to it".?

"

He that has a forward heart, finds no good, and he that has a perverse tongue, falls into mischief".
---Melody on 3/20/19




Cluny:

Grasp your own words in this site and put them away for a true repentance and commitment unto THE LORD and HIS TRUE GOSPEL OF SALVATION -as THE LORD desires for you to become free from false doctrines that are separating you from THE LORD and for the salvation of your soul: Just go directly to THE LORD and ask HIM from a sincere heart to save you and deliver you from those things that HE doesn't approve of and that you keep on promoting even thou you say you are not a RC - you aren't the only one that have been under spiritual error - and the only thing that THE LORD expects of you is repentance and in that believing and applying HIS TRUE WORD into your life!
---Melody on 3/20/19


cluny - when are YOU going to grasp that God NEVER SANCTIFIED, never RESTED, never BLESSED, & NEVER MADE THE 1ST DAY HOLY.
since you disobey the COMMANDMENT of GOD, you are obeying man.

WHAT IS IT THAT you do not understand COMMANDMENT OF GOD.
---mike on 3/20/19


\\
'GLORY TO THE POPE' cluny

YOU keep the commandments of men than God.\\

1. When are you going to grasp that I am ORTHODOX, not RC, mike?

2. What are you talking about?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/19/19


Cluny wrote: "If you really believe this, then why do you accept the NT?"

The New Testament affirms the inspirational words of God of the Old Testament. All the teachings that Jesus and the apostles were teaching was from the OT. When Jesus and the apostles were teaching, what scriptures were they referring to since the NT did not exist at the time? What scriptures were people learning during the 400 years before the NT came into existence?

Acts 17:11
2 Timothy 3:16-17
1 Corinthians 2:13
2 Peter 1:20-21
---Steveng on 3/19/19


Melody:

You keep accusing people of challenging God's Word, yet you don't show which part of God's Word they are challenging, and how they are challenging it.


Steveng:

I didn't say it's not wrong to add to the Word of God, only that Revelation 22:18-19 applies only to Revelation.

Cluny is right: after the Torah, Deutronomy 4:2 would forbid any additional books. Every scripture you quoted is in a different book that didn't exist when the previous quote was written - so each was an addition to the Word of God, yet are all fine. Clearly all of these mean something different than what you think they mean.
---StrongAxe on 3/19/19


cluny is inconsistent he keeps on 'Glory to christ' but DOES NOT keep His commandments.

'GLORY TO THE POPE' cluny

YOU keep the commandments of men than God.
---mike on 3/19/19


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Cluny:

You keep on using your own erroneous ways to challenge GOD'S WORD and the most serious thing about - not only coming against others that are sharing IT, but against THE LORD HIMSELF from WHOM GOD'S WORD INSPIRATION comes - you are in a very dangerous spiritual ground: Put away your religion that won't do anything to you into becoming saved - call upon THE LORD (while still time) - repent from your sins and be saved - for anyone that keeps on rebelling against THE TRUTH that is only in THE LORD and by THE LORD - he'll be separated from HIM eternally, you cannot keep on twisting or changing THE TRUTH without receiving GOD'S JUDGMENT - rebuke the deceit that is in you - for divided you cannot be before THE LORD!
---Melody on 3/19/19


Steven:
Nice of you that you mentioned the other verses in respect from GOD'S WORD - and especially for us to retain IT and apply IT in our hearts - for in that - it means that THE LORD through HIS SPIRIT has given us the conviction of the True Belief and dependence of THE ONLY WAY OF SALVATION that is only through THE LORD JESUS CHRIST and for us to live and strive of what HE said: "If you love ME, keep MY COMMANDMENTS". - Amen!
---Melody on 3/18/19


\\
If any of you have read the bible and studied it like you claim you do Revelation 22:18-19 isn't the only verse in the bible that warns of adding or taking away from the words of God. Deuteronomy 4:2 says the same thing: \\

If you really believe this, then why do you accept the NT?

Or even Joshua and the OT books written after Deuteronomy?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/18/19


If any of you have read the bible and studied it like you claim you do Revelation 22:18-19 isn't the only verse in the bible that warns of adding or taking away from the words of God. Deuteronomy 4:2 says the same thing:

"Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you."

...and it relates to ALL of God's words, not just the book of Revelation.

Also:
Deuteronomy 12:32
Proverbs 30:5-6
2 Timothy 3:16
Matthew 5:18
---Steveng on 3/18/19


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\\
Look at yourselves. You are pledging allegiance to your worldly denominational "church," its rituals, its man-made traditions, its ways of living and its interpretations of the bible. \\

And you do the same thing that concern the worldly denominational "church" of Steveng.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/18/19


2 Timothy 2:24 - And the servant of the Lord must not strive: but be gentle unto all men apt to teach, patient.

2 Timothy 2:25 - In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves : If God peradventure will give the repentance to acknowledging of the truth,

Titus 1:13 - This witness is true . Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith:

Titus 1:14 - Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men. that turn from the truth,
---RichardC on 3/18/19


Melody:

I don't understand how many call themselves Christians, yet spend so much time self-righteously accusing and condemning others for everything. See who the Bible says "The Accuser" is.

Revelation 22:18 talks about "the words of the prophecies of this book" - which was Revelation itself, not what we now call "The Bible". At that time, each "book" was a single papyrus scroll, and each scroll was separate. Synagogues had and churches libraries containing dozens of scrolls, one of each book. Binding many books together under a single cover, i.e. into a codex, like what we use today, didn't come until several centuries later.
---StrongAxe on 3/18/19


John3695 said, Blessed St. Joseph, I consecrate myself to your honor and give myself to you, that you may always be my father, my protector and my guide in the way of salvation. ... Amen.

John, the various devotionals that you are quoting from are NOT OFFICIAL CATHOLIC DOCTRINE! To get to those, you must first READ and COMPREHEND the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Then, you must quote from that document.
---Monk_Brendan on 3/18/19


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Melody, that passage in Revelation (which you are misquoting as is your wont, btw) is talking about the Apocalypse itself, not the Bible as a whole.

If it were, we should not have the Gospel of St. John or his letters, as they were written AFTERWARDS.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/18/19


Warnings that comes directly from GOD'S WORD and to those who so defiantly have been coming against IT and by their own confessions and under spiritual darkness and slavery they are - by those 'religions' that posses the souls and totally close their spiritual eyes to reject GOD'S TRUTH - read and tremble where you are and where you will if you keep rejecting THE LORD into repentance:

"And I solemnly declare to everyone that reads This Book: If anyone adds anything to what it's written here, GOD shall add to him the plagues described in This And if any substracts any part of These Prophecies, GOD shall take away his share in The Tree of Life and in The Holy City just described". Revelation 22: 18, 19
---Melody on 3/18/19


john9346:

Are you praying that, or are you quoting official Catholic doctrine? If so, can you cite the reference? Show actual facts.


Steveng:

Almost everything you ever do on these blogs is accuse others of apostasy, and "attack with vitrolic comments". Your own "holier than thou" accusatory attitude aptly demonstrates where your allegiances are, and who your lord is. You claim to be Christian but fail to follow the simple principal teachings of Jesus (love, tolerance and forgiveness). Instead, you choose passages from the bible that are convenient for your personal ideology, and ignore others - while at the same time condemning everyone else whose emphasis is even slightly different.
---StrongAxe on 3/18/19


Look at yourselves. You are pledging allegiance to your worldly denominational "church," its rituals, its man-made traditions, its ways of living and its interpretations of the bible. You are bickering about whose worldly denominational "church" is better. There isn't one thought among you. Even Jesus would be attacked with your vitriolic comments. You people claim to be christian but fail to follow the simple principal teachings of Jesus (love, tolerance and forgiveness). Instead you choose passages from the bible or your personal ideologies to satisfy your selfish, cultural or political stance.
---Steveng on 3/18/19


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Come then, to my help, dearest Mother, for I recommend myself to thee. In thy hands I place my eternal salvation and to thee do I entrust my soul.

---
---john9346 on 3/18/19


Receive me, good St. Anne, into the number of your true clients, for so I profess myself and wish to remain throughout my entire life.
Obtain for me, from God, the power to imitate those virtues with which you are so plentifully endowed. Help me to know and regret my sins bitterly. Obtain for me the grace of active love for Jesus and Mary, and resolution to fulfill the duties of my state of life with faithfulness.
Save me from every danger that confronts me in life, and help me at the hour of my death.
Amen.

---john9346 on 3/18/19


It is true that Baptist's have various differences in doctrine. There are Southern Baptists, Northern Baptist's, free will Baptist's, independent Baptist's , Primitive Baptist's, and so many more. Some are VERY Legalistic, some are Calvin, some are anti Calvin .....

Does it mean they believe the same because they all say they are Baptist's? NO. Then there's that AWEFUL Baptist Church, you all know who,I'm talking about, who boycott military funerals etc.

Being Baptist is no guarantee one is saved OR has a corner on the TRUTH. But unfortunately many hold dear that they are Baptist's BEFORE Christians. This is a sign too of cult like behavior.
---kathr4453 on 3/18/19


strongaxe said, "Just what "God Qualities" do either the Catholic or Orthodox churches attribute to icons?" alities??

I address your objection on another posting are you willing to look it up??


strongaxe said, "Also, I never said "God Qualities". I said "reverence". There is a big difference. Most people revere their mothers too, but most don't think their mothers are God.

My point exactly that is why I pointed out to you that the flag and icons cant be compared...

Strongaxe what you must sho is God Qualities aren't attributed to Mary and saints. If you can show this using actual facts then the argument against icons is over so we're all waiting???
---john9346 on 3/17/19


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cluny said, "Jesus ordered it, so how is this so?"

Show to all where Jesus taught that baptism is connected to salvtion (where baptism saes)??

The NT recognizes only 2 offices (pastor or deacon) the word pastor is the same as bishop and elder.

Cluny show in Scripture where there is a authority structure???
---john9346 on 3/17/19


Cluny:

1. We are saved by grace, through faith, not by baptism. Jesus commanded us to be baptized. He commanded his apostles to sell their swords and buy cloaks. He also later commanded them to sell their cloaks and buy a sword. None of these things are REQUIRED for salvation. The thief on the cross wasn't baptized, yet he was saved anyway.

2. In the N.T., bishops were congregational, so the N.T. shows hierarchical congregational polity. Don't Baptists have deacons, etc. as well?
---StrongAxe on 3/17/19


To mention just a couple of things, john:

1. Baptists don't believe baptism has anything to do with salvation. Jesus ordered it, so how is this so?

2. The NT shows model of the church is hierarchical (or episcopal) polity, with bishops, presbyters, and deacons, as well as lesser ministers. But Baptists have congregational polity, despite what the Word of God says.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/17/19


john9346:

Just what "God Qualities" do either the Catholic or Orthodox churches attribute to icons? I invite you to provide any references to official church teachings that do so.

Also, I never said "God Qualities". I said "reverence". There is a big difference. Most people revere their mothers too, but most don't think their mothers are God.
---StrongAxe on 3/17/19


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Those who are here to insult Christians that are sharing and they do it based in GOD'S WORD: My prayer before THE LORD (that HE knows everyone's heart and in HIM there's no deceit hidden) - that'll HE will be giving everyone according as HE only can see truth and falseness within - and for HIS CORRECTION come in accordance to every word that has been spoken here and what's behind it, not just against others but against HIS VERY WORD - that if you read it carefully it will bring great judgment to those who do it: May THE LORD be the JUDGE
now and stop 'the deceiver' behind every false, hypocritical, hatred and accusatory word here and that has been goin on for a long time . . . Selah!
---Melody on 3/17/19


Many Baptist have various different doctrines.

I would have a problem with this. But It is my daughter who has to make the decision. But while I believe he could be a Christian. I am opposed to his doctrine.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/17/19


cluny said, "Because God gave me the grace to see that what Baptists believed could not be supported by the Bible."

And what are those beliefs one by one???
---john9346 on 3/16/19


\\Strongaxe show where and how those who pledge to a flag attribute God Qualities to the flag when they pledge to it unlike RC and Eastern Orthodox who attribute God Qualities to icons and saints???
---john9346 on 3/16/19\\

But we don't do that, john, so your accusation is baseless.

\\Also, Cluny doesn't know much about The Eastern Orthodox Religion as he claims. \\

john, on the other hand, knows absolute nothing about it.

kathr, you're pointing out what I've been meaning to ask Melody, so I will do so now.

Melody, were I to return to being a Baptist, would I be as gentle, forbearing, kind, as loving as you are?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/16/19


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strongaxe said, "I'm just agree with his calling out the hypocrisy of those who pledge allegiance to the flag who condemn those who show reverence to icons, because both are doing exactly the same thing."

What a laughable assertion...

Strongaxe show where and how those who pledge to a flag attribute God Qualities to the flag when they pledge to it unlike RC and Eastern Orthodox who attribute God Qualities to icons and saints???
---john9346 on 3/16/19


Melody,
your offensive words towards Cluny ans StrongAxe are coming back to you and I just expected them as you always come against those whom you 'think' they don't agree with you (even thou they have the reason into doing it)!

Melody, Christian Love - your words don't show at all -- you accuse others of hypocrisy - and what about you? - since when I'm not supposed to expose THE TRUTH against those things that are sending the souls to eternal perdition? Would you come against THE LORD when HE admonish us to preach The Gospel of Salvation and to expose those things that are sending the souls to eternal perdition? - just remember this: HE IS THE ONLY PERFECT not any of us - as the Pharisees believed they were - blind/foolish ones!
---kathr4453 on 3/16/19


The following is not even to be compared:

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."





Blessed St. Joseph, I consecrate myself to your honor and give myself to you, that you may always be my father, my protector and my guide in the way of salvation. Obtain for me great purity of heart and a fervent love of the interior life. After your example, may I perform my actions for the greater Glory of God, in union with the Divine Heart of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Pray for me, Saint Joseph, that I may experience the peace and joy of your holy death. Amen.

---john9346 on 3/16/19


Melody:

A Rule of Thumb when dealing with Cluny you must stick to the underlining issue and build upon with facts and substance. Cluny is very good for those who don't know his style in derailing a person. He does this especially when he is challenge. If you are persistent in your goal of debating him he will run from you or still try to derail.

Also, Cluny doesn't know much about The Eastern Orthodox Religion as he claims.

If you read his postings he's pretty much always defends Roman Catholicism and not his own religion.

Like in the other dialog with him and Strongaxe I feel very sad for these 2 men because tey have no faith and seek to destroy the faith of others who are rooted and grounded in the Lord...
---john9346 on 3/16/19


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\\when he constantly is thinking new ways to come against the Evangelical denominations\\

No, dearie. Only you.

You are one to talk. You think of new ways to come out against Pre-reformation churches, Melody.

As I asked you earlier. What do you know about the Eastern Orthodox Church?

If you know nothing (which seems to be the case), how do you know God doesn't approve of it?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/16/19


Melody:

Cluny has mentioning "praying to cloth" here for years in a reductio ad absurdum response to criticism of "praying to statues". You are new here, so you may not be aware of this.

I'm not defending Cluny - he can defend himself. I'm just agree with his calling out the hypocrisy of those who pledge allegiance to the flag who condemn those who show reverence to icons, because both are doing exactly the same thing.

As for your assertion that he is under "serious spiritual error", again, look to your own beam before criticizing the speck in someone else's. You arrogantly assume Baptists are Christians and Catholics are not. Some Catholics believe the reverse, and both are wrong.
---StrongAxe on 3/16/19


Axe:

If you want to defend Cluny - when he constantly is thinking new ways to come against the Evangelical denominations and into the defense of his own erroneous and worse to that, in rebellion doctrine against GOD'S WORD and in that to keep promoting things that are in rebellion against THE LORD?... well, it's your own decision - but I'm not ready to believe what he mentions about the cloth praying - it's just an excuse for him to make others believe that some form of idolatry of another, it's alright - because is not! - and he doesn't want to recognize that he is under serious spiritual error before THE LORD: My question would be: Why did he leave a Christian denomination for the one that he is and that THE LORD doesn't approve?
---Melody on 3/15/19


Melody:

I think that Cluny's descripion of "saying prayers to pieces of cloth" refers to saying the Oath of Allegiance to the Flag, which is, literally, if you think about it, a prayer to faithfulness to a piece of cloth. It isn't a supernatural prayer, but it is a prayer, nonetheless.

How is paying reverence to a flag (that you know isn't God) any different than paying reverence to a statue of a saint (that you know isn't God either)?
---StrongAxe on 3/15/19


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\\ It'll be interesting to hear why did you leave an Evangelical Christian denomination ...\\

Because God gave me the grace to see that what Baptists believed could not be supported by the Bible.

What do you actually KNOW about the Eastern Orthodox Church, Melody?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/15/19


Cluny:

False sayings about The Baptist Church - for that's where I (and by THE LORD'S GRACE that forever I'll be grateful) learned about THE LORD and THE TRUTH that comes from THE BIBLE - and if one thing that I learned there - what THE LORD sees as abominable and reproves - it's idolatry: It'll be interesting to hear why did you leave an Evangelical Christian denomination for one that in which they have added the things that GOD'S admonishes against and that of praying to 'the saints' for intercession and other things that bring judgment upon the souls?
---Melody on 3/15/19


My heart is broken, Melody.

You promised you wouldn't answer me back any more.

I guess among your other faults, the truth is not in you.

Why should I listen to someone as a spiritual expert who won't even be honest?

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 3/15/19


Cluny:

Wow, how you always have a way to avoid where you are and that by you bearing false testimonies against those that according to you 'dare' to speak THE TRUTH here - well, I guess its time to just 'leave' as you prefer to keep on believing your own false and idolatrous doctrines, than listening to THE LORD'S VOICE calling you to repentance and away from what HE detests (and you defend) - and all your praising THE LORD - won't save you as long as you keep on despising THE TRUTH that is only in THE LORD and not in your own opposite blasphemous beliefs: "Foolish is to strive against THE LORD" . . . and if there's hope for you, THE LORD will use IT'S OWN WAY to bring you to THE TRUTH!
---Melody on 3/14/19


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\\(and HE still on the crucifix)\\

And if you set up a creche at Christmastime, does that mean you think that Jesus is still a baby in a manger, Melody?

\\Doctrinally their primary deity according to their literature is what they call the Virgin Mary. \\

RioLion, can you please give a direct quote from the source you claim says this?

FWIW, when I was a Baptist before I got saved and became Orthodox, we said prayers to pieces of cloth.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/14/19


\\give honor and reverence to THE LORD and experience GOD'S FREEDOM from the bondage where you are - don't wait much longer while THE LORD still calling you for repentance \\

Why don't you follow your own advice, Melody?

\\- be saved now and forever: "I press toward the mark for the prize of High Calling of GOD in CHRIST JESUS"\\

Was Judas saved? He was just as called by Jesus as the other 11.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/14/19


cluny said, "Does this mean you don't ask anybody to pray for you?"

Yes we do but we don't make them gods when we do...

cluny said, "The Bible says in one of the letters of St. Peter, "Baptism doth now save us."

And do understand the context here right?? Also, you do understand the Greek in verse right?? You said you know Greek so you should understand this verse...
---john9346 on 3/14/19


following prayer is idolatry:


Hail, holy Queen, Mother of Mercy! Our life, our sweetness and our hope! To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve. To thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping, in this valley of tears. Turn, then, most gracious Advocate, thine eyes of mercy toward us, and after this our exile show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus. O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary.

---
---john9346 on 3/14/19


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Brendan:

Stop being a 'monk' and instead choose to become a Disciple for CHRIST THE LORD and First of all: Go before THE LORD (is between you and HIM wherever you are - "GOD IS SPIRIT and those who worship HIM - they worship HIM IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH" - a lie it is that you need to confess before other sinful men) - repent before GOD of your being in a religion that is sending you to eternal separation from THE LORD because of their abominable worship of idols and false doctrines - the reason that you cannot accept facts and THE TRUTH that comes from GOD'S WORD is because you still are under that spiritual slavery and ignoring GOD'S ADMONITIONS to you - do it now while still time for your eternal soul!
---Melody on 3/14/19


Monk:

Accept where you are: You have relied in a false/idolatrous religion and you have been deceived that by listening partially about THE LORD (and HE still on the crucifix) that that makes you a Christian . . . stop being under bondage of men that will be receiving terrible judgment before THE LORD for the propagating of their idolatrous and false doctrines that have corrupted GOD'S TRUE GOSPEL OF SALVATION - give honor and reverence to THE LORD and experience GOD'S FREEDOM from the bondage where you are - don't wait much longer while THE LORD still calling you for repentance - be saved now and forever: "I press toward the mark for the prize of High Calling of GOD in CHRIST JESUS" - Philippians 3:14
---Melody on 3/14/19


\\ well we don't pray to mary and the saints. and we got an intercessor between us and God, his name is Jesus.
---tim on 3/14/19\\

Does this mean you don't ask anybody to pray for you?

\\Think about what you said baptism doesn't save you my friend and neither do your good works both you focused upon...
---john9346 on 3/14/19\\

The Bible says in one of the letters of St. Peter, "Baptism doth now save us."

Who's right, john? You or the Bible?
---Cluny on 3/14/19


Monk Brendan,

I don't know why many believe Catholics are unbelievers. Sincere Catholics profess belief in Jesus Christ. I've known Catholics that differ one from another in their beliefs as is true concerning many denominations.It's not my place to judge the heart of another,it is God that knows the heart.

"DON'T make the mistake that I am less Christian than you!!!"

Yes,"Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory, but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves. Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others." KJV Philippians 2:3-4. Worth reading the next verses too, having the same mind(set) as Christ
---chria9396 on 3/14/19


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well we don't pray to mary and the saints. and we got an intercessor between us and God, his name is Jesus.
---tim on 3/14/19


Monk Brendan:

If someone claims to be something, but bear no marks or identity to what they say they believe, they are false and not true...

Think about what you said baptism doesn't save you my friend and neither do your good works both you focused upon...
---john9346 on 3/14/19


While I have had numerous encounters with Roman Catholics, I have been convinced that some are indeed brothers and sisters of mine in Christ. However, what most people look at is the doctrinal beliefs and well as some of the practices found within Roman Catholicism. Doctrinally their primary deity according to their literature is what they call the Virgin Mary. And yes they do allude to re-sacrificing Jesus in their services while refusing the wine, they only offer the bread. All too often those that claim to be Roman Catholic know little or nothing about the Bible, however, some where along the line they met Jesus but being ignorant of Biblical doctrines simply will never be fruitful.
---RioLion on 3/14/19


Why is it that almost ALL Protestants, Evangelicals, and especially home grown and usually flaky Christians believe that Catholics are unbelievers?

I find this type of post particularly offensive. I am an Eastern Catholic, I was washed in the water of Baptism on July 1, 1951. I have been doing my utmost for His best for the past 40+ years.

DON'T make the mistake that I am less Christian than you!!!
---Monk_Brendan on 3/13/19


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Does this apply to the worldly denominational "church" of Steveng?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/13/19


Yes, discourage the relationship, unless, of course, you can convince the guy to disassociate himself from any worldly denominational "church" each having their own rituals, traditions, ways of living, and interpretations of the bible. Is Christ divided?

Christianity is a lifestyle, not a member of a denominational "church" built by the hands of men. Christianity is based upon LOVE (as in the verb form). True love from the heart is the only ticket to heaven. The bible is full of examples of HOW to love. Today's denominational christians surely know how to define love, but rarely know HOW to apply it. To truly mature in Christ, one must gather together daily and be accountable to one another.
---Steveng on 3/13/19


In my experience as an Orthodox, Melody, it's protestants like you who are the real unbelievers.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/12/19


Yes, you should discourage that relationship if you are a true Christian and by that in obedience of what THE LORD admonish us in The Scriptures - not only in making a decision about marriage as HE said: "Don't be unequally yoked with unbelievers" - for they may acknowledge THE LORD in some way, but a person that attends that church it's not really saved as they are spiritually blind and indifferent about the idolatry and false doctrines that are taught there - but if possible share THE TRUTH of where he is by sharing GOD'S WORD to him and praying for THE LORD to prepare him through HIS SPIRIT in order for him to become saved and "A new creature in CHRIST our LORD".
---Melody on 3/12/19


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Yes, you should discourage that relationship if you are a true Christian and by that in obedience of what THE LORD admonish us in The Scriptures - not only in making a decision about marriage as HE said: "Don't be unequally yoked with unbelievers" - for they may acknowledge THE LORD in some way, but a person that attends that church it's not really saved as they are spiritually blind and indifferent about the idolatry and false doctrines that are taught there - but if possible share THE TRUTH of where he is by sharing GOD'S WORD to him and praying for THE LORD to prepare him through HIS SPIRIT in order for him to become saved and "A new creature in CHRIST our LORD".
---Melody on 3/12/19


Jim:

Scripture is clear Christians aren't to fellowship withNonChristians and catholics aren't Christians...

See, 2 Cor 6:14-18, Eph 5:11.

Also, read what catholics believe got questions website

Also, carm website.
---john9346 on 3/12/19


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