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Baptism Gone Wrong

I am the mother of a 16 year old son. my husband and our pastor recently decided for my son to be baptized. but my son was baptized fully nude. he was so embarrassed he refuses to talk to me. they even made him stand in front of everyone the whole time.what can I do

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Why did the father and the pastor feel they had to decide the 16 year old son had to be baptize without any input form the 16 year old? (Does the church believe in baptismal regeneration?) To make him stand naked in front of people is probably a form of child abuse and should be investigated. Teenagers have a hard enough time making the transition from childhood to adulthood without being embarrassed by adults they trust.
---WIVV on 4/20/19


Wow, looks like senility has taken its toll. Too funny.
---kathr4453 on 3/31/19


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Still missed the subject Monk. Have you ever heard of comparisons? \\

To whom are you comparing Monk Brendan, kathr?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/30/19


Still missed the subject Monk. Have you ever heard of comparisons? Nicole used them all the time without argument from you. Move on.
---kathr4453 on 3/29/19


Kathr4453 said, "Why can't people COMPREHEMD what is being said. Who today castrates young boys for the RCC?"

When did you STOP beating your husband and/or children?

That is the same type of question.

Castration is/was a barbaric custom that has, for the most part, been abandoned. Nobody does the whole castration thing for the Catholic Church. Girls are now allowed in the choir loft.
---Monk_Brendan on 3/29/19




\\ Cluny, don't you have anything better to do then defend child abuse?
---kathr4453 on 3/28/19\\

Where did you get the idea I was, kathr?

Let me mention in passing that castrati choir boys were NEVER found in Orthodox churches.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/29/19


Cluny, don't you have anything better to do then defend child abuse?
---kathr4453 on 3/28/19


\\Just because minors were baptized naked 2000 years ago because of some man made TRADITION not in scripture, DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT OR LEGAL TODAY\\

So were adults, kathr.

And please give BCV where nude baptism is forbidden.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/28/19


Monk, the subject is naked baptisms of underage children against their knowledge, and obviously against their own wishes. This is as barbaric as child castration that went on many,many many years ago before there were laws protecting minors. GET IT NOW?

Why can't people COMPREHEMD what is being said. Who today castrates young boys for the RCC?

Just because minors were baptized naked 2000 years ago because of some man made TRADITION not in scripture, DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT OR LEGAL TODAY JUST BECAUSE IT'S DONE IN THE NAME Of GOD, anymore than young boys being castrated TODAY for the RCC Chior boys club? Is it legal today? NO! Not in our country it's not.
---kathr4453 on 3/28/19


Kathr4453 said, "Cluny, you've missed the whole point. Stop defending perverts. When is not now, no matter what site or research team said what or when. It was NEVER part of scripture....PERIOD. Just like castrating young boys so they could be RCC choir boys was NEVER scripture either. Just because it was practiced BACK THEN, does not make it right or that it was ever right. Many boys died from infection. It was barbaric. Stop making GODS out of your early church fathers."

Kathr, did you know that the Lutheran Church also used castrati? So did a lot of opera houses.

You see, women of any sort were FORBIDDEN on the stage or in the altar or in the CHOIR LOFT! Not until the 18th century did that rule relax.
---Monk_Brendan on 3/27/19




I don't know what castrati singers have to do with baptism.

Having your own copy of the Bible is nowhere in the Bible, either. So following your own logic of rejecting non-Biblical practices, you should get rid of your copies of it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/27/19


Why in the world would you be baptize nude. You can go to a different church. Where we wear our clothes or a robe.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/27/19


Cluny, you've missed the whole point. Stop defending perverts. When is not now, no matter what site or research team said what or when. It was NEVER part of scripture....PERIOD. Just like castrating young boys so they could be RCC choir boys was NEVER scripture either. Just because it was practiced BACK THEN, does not make it right or that it was ever right. Many boys died from infection. It was barbaric. Stop making GODS out of your early church fathers.
---kathr4453 on 3/27/19


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Cluny, let me reword. The practice began approx 300ad and ended before the end of that century, meaning it did not last more than one century. Thankyou for the opportunity to correct my statement.\\

Wrong. It started earlier and did not end until later.

John's baptism was never the same thing as Christian baptism.

And do you think that baptism is something that John invented himself?

Glory to Jesus Christ!

And the majority of those being baptized at that time were infants. \\
---Cluny on 3/27/19


This question says a lot. Maggie doesn't say, " his father and the pastor", but " my husband and the pastor". It sounds like Maggie's husband may not be the boys biological father,but a step father and the mother left a decision like this up to her husband, the step father not his father, and that is why the boy is angry with the Mother. Why not also be angry with the husband? May be because she didn't protect him from this stepfather, where there may be other issues.

How long has this man been your husband, and was it this husband who got you involved in this church? Maybe there is a PED issue here.
---kathr4453 on 3/27/19


Cluny, let me reword. The practice began approx 300ad and ended before the end of that century, meaning it did not last more than one century. Thankyou for the opportunity to correct my statement.

And the majority of those being baptized at that time were infants. Also most adults being baptized slaves, who at that time were forced to work naked. Just like the Olympiads preformed naked. You can't compare that time and culture to today. In the USA we have laws protecting minors.

Even back then it fell out of favor with the RCC and Orthodox because of modesty reasons.

Again we don't live in 300 ad or in Rome or the old world. I'm sure there weren't laws then protecting minors from being molested either.
---kathr4453 on 3/26/19


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Jesus baptism was witnessed by all that were around, also hearing Gods voice. No nudity or in private. So whoever came up with the changes did it based on their own cult practices. When Adam and Eve were naked was BEFORE any sin. Since being saved does not give us freedom to walk around naked and not be ashamed should prove that baptism is not putting anyone back before the fall. So it must have been out of STUPIDITY of scripture the practice even existed. Even Jesus being sinless didn't strut around naked showing He was innocent of mind etc. And remember God COVERED Adam and Eve after He forgave them. Being Born Again is NOT a rebirth of the flesh....and baptism is NOT a rebirth of the flesh. Even in Christ we are clothed with HIM.
---kathr4453 on 3/26/19


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Cluny that sick practice started around 300ad and ENDED before the first century came to conclusion. \\

So it started before 300 and ended before 100.

Is that what you are saying?

How can something end before it started?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/26/19


Cluny that sick practice started around 300ad and ENDED before the first century came to conclusion. I ALSO KNOW this side of the Roman Catholic Orthodox Church history. The Greek Olympiads also preformed in the nude...TODAY THEY DO NOT.

Just because something was practiced 2000 years ago does not make it good or right. Today we have LAWS, and exposing teens nudity before anyone is against the law. Who knows how many PEDS now attend this church just for the peep show. Can they prove no one took pictures and downloaded them to a pron site? NO. We live in TODAY....not in some false CULT that started 2000 years ago. YOURChurch history also mutilated little boys so they could be Choir boys with voices that didn't change. SICK!
---kathr4453 on 3/26/19


I forgot to mention that because of the nudity at baptism, it was NOT done before the entire congregation.

Only the bishop or presbyter, baptizand, sponsor, and deaconess for women were present.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/26/19


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Since Paul makes it clear there is only one baptism in Eph 4:5, why is there such a hullabaloo over baptisms?
If Paul says there is only one then it must be the one baptism Paul teaches. It is found in 1 Cor 12:13 and Rom 6:3.
It's dry and performed by the Spirit baptizing you into Christ. This is the baptism that saves. It is not water baptism of any kind.
If you don't see this then you are stuck trying to reconcile the multiple baptisms taught in the Lords earthly ministry with the single baptism in Eph 4:5.
Right division opens eyes
---michael_e on 3/25/19


kathr, I know church history.

You clearly do not.

Happy Annunciation!
---Cluny on 3/25/19


\\ the one baptism of the mystery church into Christ requires no water and is largely neglected.\\

WRONG!

Happy Annunciation!
---Cluny on 3/25/19


Maggie,Are you new to this church? Had no Idea how they baptized? And your son was not a part of the Baptismal disscussion? Was it on his own confession of faith, or is this a CULT where water baptism naked is your belief of salvation? And what about others being baptized before your son? NONE? or just no naked baptisms? How and WHY was it exactly your son was kept in the dark, not only by his own parents but by the pastor? Did the Pastor say not to tell him? I would think a 16 year old would be included in the discussion prior, not only explaining the meaning of baptism, but what was expected of him. To be kept in the dark SHOWS IT WAS wrong. If you all believe there is nothing wrong with it....why the secrecy?Ephesians 5:12 and JUDE 4*
---kat453 on 3/25/19


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While many argue over the merits, mode, and method of water baptism, the one baptism of the mystery church into Christ requires no water and is largely neglected.
It's this ONE(not two or three) baptism of every believer into Christ that is responsible for our identity in Christ, our resurrection, our new ministry, our communion, and our inheritance with the Lord.
Right division opens eyes
---michael_e on 3/25/19


Do they make teen underage girls also get naked and stand naked before the congregation?

There was a church not to long ago where the pastor slept with his daughters...JUST LIKE THEY CLAIMED ADAM DID. In any event, NO SCRIPTURE STATES one is to be naked with Baptizm. That is a MAN MADE UP piece of crap tradition .

This should be looked into and the pastor should be arrested ( and parents if they agreed) for child abuse. We don't live in 50AD There are LAWS, and it may be some here were broken. If an adult themselves agrees to be baptized naked, and strutted in front of everyone...so be it.....CHILDREN?????? that's another story of perversion hiding behind religion.
---kathr4453 on 3/25/19


Mikveh or mikvah is a bath used for the purpose of ritual immersion in Judaism to achieve ritual purity. Using this as a transfer to baptism in the first place is FALSE DOCTRINE. These were private baths for purification.

Now let's look at Johns Baptisms...Jesus was baptized in the Jordan River, and no scripture says he got naked, or was a purification RITUAL. When Peter went to Cornelius home, NO DEACONESS was present or asked to travel along to prepare anyone for any ritual of a naked purification bath. When Philip baptized the Eunich, no such details were given that a deaconess was summoned to prepare for this or that.

Just because some FALSE TEACHERS perverted scripture using OT Mikveh does not make it a truth.
---kath4453 on 3/25/19


Following the example of the Jewish mikveh, early Christian baptisms were done in the nude.

This is why Deaconesses were chaperones for the baptisms of women.

Ancient illustrations of baptism show the baptizand nude.

In his post-baptismal instructions, St.Cyril of Jerusalem said, "What a wonder! Like Adam and Eve before the fall, you were naked and not ashamed."

Had you or your husband or your son been told beforehand that your son would be baptized in the nude?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/24/19


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Was your husband aware this was going to happen? I've never heard of such a thing. Your husband should have known better. What kind of church does this, so others can be warned? No scripture states one must be naked for baptism. Id get the authorities involved just as parents should who's children get molested. I see this as being molested. If you also knew beforehand this was going to happen, and DIDNT tell your son, you should all be put in jail. If he knows you both knew and didn't tell him, I don't blame him for not speaking to you. Your relationship with him may NEVER be the same again. You've lost his trust as parents, and protecting him as parents you totally failed.
---kathr4453 on 3/24/19


"what can I do Maggy what you could have done, should have been done before this occurred. Nothing can be done now, the situation has passed.
---joseph on 3/24/19


Find another pastor
---David on 3/24/19


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