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Obviously Monk doesn't know that if you type a wrong word WORD CORRECT saves it and will use the incorrect word over and over. Something I found out recently.

It's a form of neurosis or possibly a type of Autism or Asperger's in Monk that throws his world out of order when he sees a misspelled word. I think it's something we will all have to humor Monk with about his disability. He just fails to see that he is the one with the disability here. Actually he can't see that, so we'll have to see it for him. Cluny may also have this disability too.
---kathr4453 on 4/6/19


john9346:

I never said "everything goes". Why do you keep putting words I never said into my mouth and then condemning me for your own words that you are pretending that I said? Why do SO MANY PEOPLE on these blogs constantly do this?
---StrongAxe on 4/6/19


\\Monk Brendan So, word space is why you cant dialog about Marian Prayers lol
---john9346 on 4/6/19\\

I don't know about Monk Brendan.

I myself will not discuss ANY Marian doctrine here except to defend that her Son is God Incarnate.

And not everybody here believes that.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/6/19


strongaxe:

You have to understand EO Theology to answer your question, but in your world view since everything and anything goes why do you care??

Monk Brendan, the typo was from a prior posting my apology to you and I will for future dialog correct.

Monk Brendan So, word space is why you cant dialog about Marian Prayers lol
---john9346 on 4/6/19


Those who have died in THE LORD, they came under HIS PRESENCE instantly after leaving this earthly body - and as GOD'S WORD says: "Absent from the body, present with THE LORD". - and as free as the angels!
---Melody on 4/5/19




john9346:

You wrote: Whether the soul is finally seized by the demons, or taken to heaven depends on the state of the soul at death.

Exactly. Your choices in life determine your fate in eternity, and what happens after death merely demonstrates that fate. How is this any different from a dead soul appearing before God for final judgment? In both cases, the fate is already sealed at death, there's no chance for last-minute after-death repentance.
---StrongAxe on 4/5/19


John 9346 said, "Well first as a monk how unbecoming of you... would have expected better over a typo on a word... guest your not human???"

I am human, with all the foibles that continue in humans. But, I comment upon it because this is not the first time you have spelled the word "Eucharist" in the same manner. So it's not a typo, it's deliberate.

"You cant debate what you believe about Mary because you cant none of you can thats why you want to change the topic."

Not so! But I cannot have a conversation where between you and me, with comments limited to 125 words. If you can get the Moderator to cancel the limitations on word count and comment, then I will write to you about it.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/5/19


The dead IN CHRIST, not just the dead. Those IN CHRIST are those asleep IN THE LORD, not in the ground.
---kathr4453 on 4/4/19


Steveng:

Luke 23:43:
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Acts 7:55-60: Martyrdom of Stephen.

Revelation 6:9-10:
... I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

The thief on the cross, Stephen, and the martyrs didn't wait until the resurrection, but were the presence of God directly after death.
---StrongAxe on 4/4/19


"The teaching of Aerial Toll-Houses regards the soul's journey after its departure from the body, and is related to the particular judgment. In its most general form, it refers to the idea that after death, the demons attempt to find a basis for taking the soul to Hades, while the angels and the prayers of the living defend the soul if it can be defended. Whether the soul is finally seized by the demons, or taken to heaven depends on the state of the soul at death. In either case, the soul then experiences a foretaste of what it can expect after the final judgment. According to Fr. Thomas Hopko, the teaching of the Toll Houses is found in virtually every Father of the Church." orthodoxwiki/Aerial_Toll-House




---john9346 on 4/4/19




cluny said, "You don't actually think this means salvation after death, do you?
It doesn't.
In any case, not all Orthodox accept the idea of the toll houses."

Well, to Fr. Thomas Hopko, and others it does...
---john9346 on 4/4/19


monk brendan said, "John, are you so ignorant that you can't spell Eucharist? If you want to spell it completely in Greek, well Cluny can give you the Roman spelling--or are you trying to be obnoxious?"

Well first as a monk how unbecoming of you... would have expected better over a typo on a word... guest your not human???

You cant debate what you believe about Mary because you cant none of you can thats why you want to change the topic...

You should know by now when dialogging with me i'm going to always have a substantive facutal evidential discussion...

May the Lord Jesus open your eyes to him,

John
---john9346 on 4/4/19


john9346 wrote: "They are dead and into the presence of Godalready."

Your parents are still dead and in the grave until the resurrection in which the bible stated that when Jesus returns the dead in Christ shall rise first and the living shall be caught up together with the dead.
---Steveng on 4/4/19


You don't actually think this means salvation after death, do you?

It doesn't.

In any case, not all Orthodox accept the idea of the toll houses.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/4/19


"The Orthodox teaching is that we do have to be tested byevery possible demon and be victorious over that demon bythe grace of God, the intercessions of the Saints, andanything that we can do to open ourselves in faith to God sothat we can be delivered. So the truth of the tollbooth mythor allegory is not that the soul will go through some"astral space" getting tempted by demons and gettingpunished for sin. The right interpretation is that, astaught by many holy fathers such as Sts John Klimacus andAthanasias, death is the moment of truth and every demon isgoing to try to get you to apostatise, hate God and try tomake you cling to corporeal things.
---john9346 on 4/4/19


They would like to stopyou from letting go of everything so that you can only loveGod and let God save you.
Fr. Thomas Hopko, (
Life after death Mysteries beyond the grave)


Life)
---john9346 on 4/4/19


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Some people say, "Well, when you die it is too late andit is certainly too late for us to pray for a person. Whyshould I pray for my mother and father who have departedthis life? They are dead and into the presence of Godalready. There is nothing that these prayers can do, becauseit's over for them".
---john9346 on 4/4/19


john, then quit accusing me of holding to RC doctrines.

Please quote the actual Eastern Orthodox teaching about being saved after death, and where you got it from.

Unless it's from an Orthodox source, it doesn't count.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/4/19


cluny said, "John, Orthodox don't believe in the immaculate conception.
and co-redemptrix is not an official doctrine of ANYBODY's church."

First, act like EO and not rc,

Next, co-redemptrix you have been corrected on many times even Nicole called you on this...

Also, false that you never discuss Marian Dogmas there is a posting with you doing so.

You say your (orthodox) lol you don't even know about being saved even after one dies...
---john9346 on 4/3/19


Cluny:

I wasn't claiming that the Mormon interpretation of that verse (and the whole resulting house of cards they built on it) is correct. I was just addressing your question: And I have no idea what you mean by being saved after you die. Do you? I know of NO church that believes that.

Mormons DO believe people can be saved after they die, by being baptized - but since they can't be baptized themselves, it's OK to just baptize someone else in their name.
---StrongAxe on 4/3/19


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\\1 Corinthians 15:29
Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
---StrongAxe on 4/2/19\\

Note, btw, that Paul asks about why THEY are baptized for the dead.

He doesn't ask, "Then why do WE baptize for the dead?"

IOW, he's not talking about Christians.

In any case, the verse in context is discussing resurrection, not baptism.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/3/19


John9346 said, "papal primacy and infallibility, the priesthood, purgatory, indulgences, confession, penance, the Eukarist, the mass, the veneration of icons and dead saints, Sola Ekklesia, salvation after someone has already died, and theosis."

John, are you so ignorant that you can't spell Eucharist? If you want to spell it completely in Greek, well Cluny can give you the Roman spelling--or are you trying to be obnoxious?

Now, where, in Orthodox literature does it speak of saving someone after they are dead?

BTW, I refuse to get into an on-line argument about MY beliefs of Mary.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/2/19


Cluny:

You wrote: And I have no idea what you mean by being saved after you die. Do you? I know of NO church that believes that.

I do. The Mormons took one single verse out of context, and built a whole doctrine of Baptism for the Dead out of it. They baptize each other for the dead by proxy, to ensure those dead get into heaven. This is why they keep huge genealogical libraries - if they know who everyone is, they baptize themselves in their names and save everybody. Jews are very offended by this, i.e. that Mormons claim to snatch Jewish dead people into Mormon heaven.

1 Corinthians 15:29
Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
---StrongAxe on 4/2/19


Melody said, " "Today is the day of salvation, today is the acceptable time". - for tomorrow might be too late - do it now!"

Melody, It's been more than 40 years ago that I did what you suggest I need to do.

And I continue to ask God for His help and HIS salvation, each and every day.

And I will pray for YOU too, so that you can receive His Love, and be granted His salvation.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/2/19


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Melody, have your years of autolatry (self-worship) so seared your conscience that you cannot feel the gentle wooing of the Holy Spirit?

Cast aside your filthy garments of self-righteousness that make you think you are God's spokesman and spiritually superior to others.

Repent, and be clothed in the righteousness of Christ!

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/2/19


john, Orthodox don't believe in the immaculate conception.

And co-redemptrix is not an official doctrine of ANYBODY's church.

But for some time I have realized that truth in these matters means nothing to you, once you're in attack mode.

And in case you've not noticed, I never discuss any Marian doctrine on these blogs except to insist that the Virgin's Son is God incarnate.

There are already many people for whom this is a new idea, or who outright deny it such as Steveng.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/2/19


john, why do you say I believe in papal primacy, infallibility, indulgences, or purgatory?

Have you not grasped that I'm ORTHODOX and not Roman Catholic yet?

And I have no idea what you mean by being saved after you die. Do you?

I know of NO church that believes that.

Melody: cast aside the filthy rags of your self-righteousness, repent to God, and be saved.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/2/19


Cluny and Monk:

Go to THE LORD - repent and be saved - you know better than anyone else where you are but you don't want to admit it and that's very dangerous. so "Decide today WHOM you are going to serve - GOD or the idols - For those who worship them, cannot enter GOD'S Kingdom" . . . THE LORD IS MERCIFUL and if from a sincere heart you want to make sure of your eternal soul to dwell with THE LORD in Heaven, HE'LL be setting you free, but what GOD expects from us is total commitment unto HIM and leave behind those things that offend HIM - this is what true repentance is: "Today is the day of salvation, today is the acceptable time". - for tomorrow might be too late - do it now!
---Melody on 4/2/19


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If Monk Brendan and cluny wants us all to convert to their religions then they must show that The church of Acts 2 taught and practice the following:

Mary's perpetual virginity, immaculate conception, assumption, co-redemptrix, and mediatrix.

papal primacy and infallibility, the priesthood, purgatory, indulgences, confession, penance, the Eukarist, the mass, the veneration of icons and dead saints, Sola Ekklesia, salvation after someone has already died, and theosis.

---john9346 on 4/2/19


\\ for in that I'll be giving you directions into ending at THE RIGHT DIRECTION - ready to follow 'the Map directions?\\

Melody, were I to become your kind of Christian, would I be as loving, gentle, forbearing, and kind as you are?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/1/19


Melody, Cluny has asked you a question: What are his beliefs that go against God's Word?

And then, which of my beliefs don't measure up?
---Monk_Brendan on 4/1/19


Cluny:

Good that you saw 'my typo':-) - for in that I'll be giving you directions into ending at THE RIGHT DIRECTION - ready to follow 'the Map directions?

Stop at that 'crooked intersection' - turn around and go straight into the 'Intercession Venue' that will take you to "THE RIGHT ONE WAY" that leads to GOD'S Kingdom and "Streets of Gold' and then . . . you'll be so eternally happy that you'll finally regret all your wasted years of being lost in the midst of 'dark and muddy streets' and misguided by 'your blind driver' twisting your arm into the wrong 'full of holes intersection' where if you forever follow it - it would bring you into the fierce fire that destroys everyone that follows it! :-(
---Melody on 4/1/19


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Melody, the word you're looking for is INTERCESSION, not "intersection."

Again, I ask you to tell me what my false and idolatrous beliefs are.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/1/19


John:

It's amazing the voluntary rebellion and under spiritual deceit that the souls are . . . for you could even show them a video of all those places here and around the world - rendering worship to those idols/abominations (that to me it's even such an offense before THE LORD to even mention the names that these images have been given them and in their 'so called representation of Mary') . . . when the souls are under reprobation they won't even acknowledge GOD'S TRUTH but instead, give ear to wicked spirits and those that the enemy is using to deceive the souls and into eternal perdition - terrible it is - under reprobation they are and by their own refusal of GOD'S TRUTH into repentance!
---Melody on 4/1/19


Cluny:

Stay away from defending where you are, accept the facts of your erroneous beliefs as is praying to 'the saints' for intersection (idolatry that is) going along with the false teachings that have been added to GOD'S WORD by adulterous religions that are in total rebellion before THE LORD by transgressing HIS HOLY PRECEPTS: Repent, leave behind those false doctrines that have you under spiritual possession and over and over refusing to depart from them and in that in danger of losing your salvation: Is THE LORD going to change HIS WORD for your defiance against IT? - absolutely 'Not'
---Melody on 4/1/19


Through your grace, your intercession,
and your example, deliver us from all evil,
Our Lady, and untie the knots that
prevent us from being united with God,
so that we, free from sin and error,
may find Him in all things,
may have our hearts placed in Him,
and may serve Him always in our brothers and sisters.

Amen.

-Pope Francis'?? Prayer to Mary, Undoer of Knots
---john9346 on 4/1/19


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O Mary To you, gentle Mother,
whose protection I have always experienced,
this evening I entrust them to you once again.
All seek refuge and
protection under your mantle.
You, Mother of divine grace,
make them shine with
the beauty of Christ!
ACT OF ENTRUSTMENT TO MARY "Behold, your Mother!' (Jn 19: & | John Paul II
---john9346 on 4/1/19


O Mary,
help them to respond to their vocation.
Guide them to the knowledge of true love
and bless their affections.
Support them in times of suffering.
Make them fearless heralds
of Christ's greeting on Easter Day: Peace be with you!
With them, I also entrust myself
once again to you
and with confident affection
I repeat to you:
Totus Tuus ego sum!
I am all yours!
ACT OF ENTRUSTMENT TO MARY "Behold, your Mother!' (Jn 19: & | John Paul II
---john9346 on 4/1/19


Melody, have you yet grasped that I'm ORTHODOX, not Roman Catholic, and we don't believe in Purgatory?

You need to repent before God, Melody, and get born again.

Glory to Jesus Christ?
---Cluny on 3/31/19





strongaxe said, "You need to make a decision: either reverence and worship are the same, or they are not."

Strongaxe,

Tell us, how in the prayers to Joseph, Mary and Ann the same as saluting the flag??? Where in saluting the flag are people attributing God Qualities to the flag??


This is a question i've asked you before and you will not answer???
---john9346 on 3/31/19


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strongaxe said, "
I know. However, I had directed that comment at john9346, who doesn't appear to be able to tell the difference."

But the problem Strongaxe is neither you nor cluny can show this in Scripture...

sir your so used to making claims but when challenge you fail to support what you say you believe (most noticeable Prayer for Healing Posting) not a singgle bit of facts, evidence...

I and others here must conclude you simply do not know what you speak about...
---john9346 on 3/31/19


cluny said, "Is this the same God who ordered images of angels and cherubim to be made for the Tabernacle and Temple?
Or the one who ordered Moses to make a caduceus to be healed of snakebite?"

chapter and verse please?
---john9346 on 3/31/19


I'm not denying that, kathr.

But during the time of His earthly sojourn, the Lord would have had practical need for only Hebrew, Aramaic, Latin, and Greek.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/31/19


I'll bet Jesus could speak every language under the sun.
---kathr4453 on 3/31/19


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Cluny:

And this is going to be 'my own saying" - "When you talk with a child, you have to explain things in a way that he'll understand" and as such I'll do, for in the spiritual sense - you are!



You won't gain anything by you offending others and of what by your own words keep on confessing and promoting: Idolatry and false beliefs that have you under spiritual bondage and in that you are not giving THE LORD - the glory and honor that HE deserves and in rebellion and disobedience you are about HIS ADMONITIONS - not wanting to depart from your false religious beliefs that are against GOD'S HOLINESS - repent now, because if you don't - Purgatory doesn't exist - is either Heaven or hell . . . choose today
---Melody on 3/30/19


\\Who can fight against GOD'S WORD?\\

That's what I've been trying to tell you, Melody.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/30/19


I should have mentioned that during His earthly sojourn, the Savior doubtless spoke some Greek, which became the lingua franca in that part of the world because of Alexander the Great (who was actually a Greek-speaking Slav).

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/30/19


Who can fight against GOD'S WORD? - only those who are under totally spiritual darkness:

"They that forsake The Law, praise the wicked: But such as keep The Law contend with them".

"Evil men understand no judgment: But they that seek THE LORD understand all things".

"He that turn his ear from hearing The Law, even his prayer shall be abomination".

"He that cover his sins, shall not prosper, but whoso confess and forsaken them, shall have mercy". Proverbs 28: 4,5,9,13
---Melody on 3/30/19


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Cluny:

You wrote: They are not in NT Greek. Even the Savior Himself made the distinction.

I know. However, I had directed that comment at john9346, who doesn't appear to be able to tell the difference.
---StrongAxe on 3/30/19


\\You need to make a decision: either reverence and worship are the same, or they are not.\\

They are not in NT Greek. Even the Savior Himself made the distinction.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/29/19


Not all at once. But when the leaders started working on being rich and lived in sin. The church was falling. But then when the leaders decided they can make what they think greater than the words of GOD. They were truly fallen.

Just like the Pharisees who put their human traditions above the words of GOD. Then they also started murdering those who tried to correct them. All this showed they were not following Jesus.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/29/19


john9346:

You need to make a decision: either reverence and worship are the same, or they are not.

If they are not, revering saints, as Catholics and Orthodox do, is not idolatry.

If they are, saluting the flag, keeping your spouse's picture in your wallet on your desk, and your president's picture on the wall, ARE idolatry. So are most pictures, TV, and movies.

Islam has a very severe interpretation of idolatry, forbidding ANY depiction of the human form, which is why traditional Muslim art is always geometric shapes, and never portraits or sculptures. Do you agree?
---StrongAxe on 3/29/19


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\\First, I can dialog against icons because Yahweh God says its an abomination to him and on prior blogs \\

Is this the same God who ordered images of angels and cherubim to be made for the Tabernacle and Temple?

Or the one who ordered Moses to make a caduceus to be healed of snakebite?

Please explain.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/29/19


monk brendan said, "Filioque was the cause of the official split in 1054. True, this heresy started before that, but it was one of the reasons."

This is not true that the Filioque led to 1054 split, but you agree with me that Filioque before ad 1054 my point.

Icons was a division before 1054 2 Nicea Council, Council of Hieria, and Elvira...
---john9346 on 3/29/19


Monk Brendan said, "Have you gotten rid of all of the pictures in your life? I'm not going to "dialog" with you about icons until you do."

Why not I don't burn incense light candles kneel and pray to pictures:

Blessed St. Joseph, I consecrate myself to your honor and give myself to you, that you may always be my father, my protector and my guide in the way of salvation. Obtain for me great purity of heart and a fervent love of the interior life. After your example, may I perform my actions for the greater Glory of God, in union with the Divine Heart of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Pray for me, Saint Joseph, that I may experience the peace and joy of your holy death. Amen.
---john9346 on 3/29/19


cluny said, "Shall I go on?"

Anyone can claim this can you show this cite EO Sources give 3??
---john9346 on 3/29/19


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John9346 said, "Next, icons was a divided issue like Filioque I mention these because you stated nothing wasn't of divission until after 1054 that is false..."

Filioque was the cause of the official split in 1054. True, this heresy started before that, but it was one of the reasons.

Have you gotten rid of all of the pictures in your life? I'm not going to "dialog" with you about icons until you do.

FYI, there is no Pre-Reformation iconoclastic (i.e. without icons) Church, as we are following the traditions handed down to us from the Apostles, and they got it from Jesus.
---Monk_Brendan on 3/29/19


\\
Name 3 doctrines held by Eastern Orthodox today that was held in the First Century.
---john9346 on 3/29/19\\

1. God is three Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

2. Jesus is God Incarnate with fully human and fully divine natures.

3. He died, rose from the dead, and ascended into heaven for our salvation.

4. His personal Parousia, though He may tarry, is imminent.

Shall I go on?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/29/19


Monk Brendan:

First, I can dialog against icons because Yahweh God says its an abomination to him and on prior blogs I've dialog with you and others and each time when faced with facts run and deflect and to derail... Your buddy strongaxe tried to say the flag honorling is the as Saint worship lol


Next, icons was a divided issue like Filioque I mention these because you stated nothing wasn't of divission until after 1054 that is false...
---john9346 on 3/29/19


cluny said, "Yes, she is."

Name 3 doctrines held by Eastern Orthodox today that was held in the First Century.
---john9346 on 3/29/19


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If Monk Brendan and cluny wants us all to convert to their religions then they must show that The church of Acts 2 taught and practice the following:

Mary's perpetual virginity, immaculate conception, assumption, co-redemptrix, and mediatrix.

papal primacy and infallibility, the priesthood, purgatory, indulgences, confession, penance, the Eukarist, the mass, the veneration of icons and dead saints, Sola Ekklesia, salvation after someone has already died, and theosis.
---john9346 on 3/29/19


Steveng:

You wrote: Doctors are not interested in curing anything. Cancer has grown 1300% since the 1960s. How so? It's a billion dollar a year business, the love of money.

My, such cynicism. It's the kind of attitude that believes all doctors, lawyers, preachers, and politicians are unscupulous money-grubbers, all police are bloodthirsty killers, and all priests are child abusers - based solely on the actions of a few bad ones. Jesus socialized with lepers, prostitutes, and extortionists (tax collectors) despite their being simiarly loathed, and he was criticized for it.

I was diagnosed with leukemia in Nov. 2014, and my doctors worked aggressively to cure me, and my doctor pronounced me CURED in Dec. 2016.
---StrongAxe on 3/28/19


Steveng:

You wrote: As for your bickering about whose worldly denominational "church" is better:

What? Why are you directing this at me? I am not pushing any kind of denomination here. YOU are the one here who is constantly complaining about "worldly denominational churches", dividing Christ.
---StrongAxe on 3/28/19


\\As for your bickering about whose worldly denominational "church" is better:\\

You think the worldly denominational "church" of Steveng is superior, don't you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/28/19


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StrongAxe wrote: "If you have cancer, your doctor is much more interested in curing it..."

Doctors are not interested in curing anything. Cancer has grown 1300% since the 1960s. How so? It's a billion dollar a year business, the love of money.


As for your bickering about whose worldly denominational "church" is better:

Christians ARE the church, not a worldly denomination or a building. God's church is not made by man's hands. Love, true heartfelt love, as in the verb form, is your ticket to heaven, not a member of some worldly denominational "church" each having their own man-made rituals, man-made traditions, ways of living and interpretations of the bible. Is Christ divided?
---Steveng on 3/28/19


John9346 said, "Patently False, The Filioque Controversy, Icons,etc."

Oh, we're going to start up with icons, again. Are you telling me that there is not a single picture of Jesus, or anyone else in your LIFE? When you have removed ALL photographs, pictures, artwork, etc. from your life, THEN you can talk to me about icons.

As far as Filioque, the Orthodox (and the Melkites) do NOT use Filioque in the Creed.
---Monk_Brendan on 3/28/19


\\Not Orthodox in terms of orthodox (Eastern Orthodox) of today.\\

Yes, she is.

When you get it right the first time, you don't have to reform or restore anything.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/28/19


monk brendan said, "John, the Orthodox Church has existed since the first Century,"

Not Orthodox in terms of orthodox (Eastern Orthodox) of today.


Monk Brendan said, "
As a matter of fact, it was after the split from Orthodoxy that the aberrations began to appear."

Patently False, The Filioque Controversy, Icons,etc.
---john9346 on 3/28/19


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cluny said, "John, have you grasped yet that I'm Orthodox and not Roman Catholic?
Attempts to introduce Reformed doctrines into Orthodox countries always fell flat."

Well when are you going to start acting like you are Eastern Orthodox sir and not rc??

Next, Reform Theology is embraced in countries that may have a large number of Eastern Orthodox... to God be praised for his truth.



---john9346 on 3/28/19


John9346 said, "The corruption was a development over time and not necesarily a specific time. What we do know from Church History is that factually by the 12 or 13th century the corruption of the church by the rcc was apex."

John, the Orthodox Church has existed since the first Century, and the split between the Catholic and Orthodox happened in the year 1054, a century plus before your date of 12th or 13th century.

As a matter of fact, it was after the split from Orthodoxy that the aberrations began to appear.
---Monk_Brendan on 3/27/19


Cluny:

You wrote: Attempts to introduce Reformed doctrines into Orthodox countries always fell flat.

Then how do you explain the existence of evangelical Protestant churches in Greece, Russia, etc.?
---StrongAxe on 3/27/19


john, have you grasped yet that I'm Orthodox and not Roman Catholic?

Attempts to introduce Reformed doctrines into Orthodox countries always fell flat.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/27/19


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Well Cluny,

I actually dialogged with you about this some time ago on a past posting.

The corruption was a development over time and not necesarily a specific time. What we do know from Church History is that factually by the 12 or 13th century the corruption of the church by the rcc was apex.
---john9346 on 3/27/19


There is not necessarily a clearly-defined point where this happened, but by the time the papacy was an that could be won by bribery and familial influence, and was concerned more with temporal matters (wealth and politics) than spiritual matters, and rival factions elected their own popes based political lines and were anathemizing each other, and selling indulgences as a means of fund-raising, it was clear that the line had been crossed long before that point. The fact that the line had been crossed was much more important than fixing the exact year, day, and hour that it happened.

If you have cancer, your doctor is much more interested in curing it than about worrying overly much about exactly what day it started.
---StrongAxe on 3/27/19


Actually it started long before Calvin or Luther. It began with Wycliff, and maybe a few even before him. Huss I believe was another long before the 1500 reformation.
---kathr4453 on 3/27/19


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