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How To Love

The ultimate commandment is "love," as in the verb form. From the beginning of Genesis to the end of Revelation, the bible has many examples about HOW to love.

So why is it that today's so-called christians make living a christian lifestyle so complicated?

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Trav, great verses you still don't understand. SARAH is the free woman, and in Isaac will thy seed be called...not SEEDS as of many but SEED and the SEED is Jesus Christ.

The bondwoman was Hagar, and Ishmael... Ishmael is after the FLESH, Isaac after the SPIRIT. So here again is this Covenant God made with Abraham....that was never nullified when the Old Covenant came into affect...and the New Covenant replaced the Old Covenant but it NEVER replaced the Covenant made with Abraham 430 years prior to the Old Covenant.

God made 2 covenants with Abraham....one the SPIRITUAL SEED...those today IN CHRIST re all families of the earth have a heavenly calling, and the other to EARTHLY ISRAEL were promised land and earthly blessings.
---kathr4453 on 7/2/21


#2 Trav, your two verses posted here are a starting point. Sarah and Hagar. Isaac was the child of PROMISE, not Ishmael. Ishmael was after the flesh, ISAAC was after the Promise. LIKE ISAAC SO ARE WE....CHILDREN OF PROMISE. So now go back to Galatians Chapter 3...where Paul has already laid that foundation. It says THOSE WHO ARE OF FAITH ARE ABRAHAMS SEED. Not the other way around. The LAW is not of faith.

But here Paul is saying and establishing FIRST who the heirs are....and never once mentions Jacob and his physical descendents. Here in Galatians Paul is establishing those who's FAITH IS IN JESUS CHRIST are heirs according to promise....not the New Covenant, but the ABRAHAMIC COVENANT...to ALL FAMILIES OF THE EARTH.
---kathr4453 on 7/3/21


Trav, again you cherry pick. .
---kathr4453 on 7/2/21

Yes I do. As you have noticed these Olive-Cherries are one of a kind. Only applicable to those that embrace them. Or intend to plant them. Mmmm good.
Some wont buy them at any price. Even though they are prepaid. They prefer to persecute anyone who prefers the true Olive Cherries. Ironic for sure. But, also found in scripture.

Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
---Trav on 7/2/21


Trav, again you cherry pick. Why not read the remainder of Galatians 4. Better yet start with Chapter 1 to get that good foundation before plucking out verses 4:4-5.

You first claimed you were Gods servants UNTIL I POINTED OUT only SONS qualify. And to become A SON, you had to be IN THE SON, JESUS CHRIST. Now John 1:12 show how one first becomes a son, no longer a servant.

Line upon line...precept upon precept.

So those of ISRAEL who have not RECEIVED JESUS CHRIST AS THE SON OF GOD, are none of His .
---kathr4453 on 7/2/21


Trav:

"who cares" is that other than Jacob's 12 sons having differen mothers, which is which makes NO DIFFERENCE later. No sons or tribes are better or worse than any others by virtue of who their mother was - they are all treated equally, and are judged based on their own actions and their own merits, NOT on those of their mothers. I.e. Israel treated them all as his own sons equally, and "did not care" whose mother was which.

Even with adoption, adopted sons have the same rights and pre-eminence as natural-born sons. That is what adoption MEANS. When God adopts us as his children, this gives us the same rights to his promises as Israel had from the very beginning.
---StrongAxe on 7/2/21




You stated here 12 tribes....
Who cares.
Who cares what Kings says
Two sets of brothers do not come from different tribes.
---kathr4453 on 7/1/21

Who cares. Who cares
GOD does.
Christ does
Israel does.
I do.
Lawless you dont, because you have no part of them.
He cared enough to give his son as a sacrifice.
Two sets father mother, father mother.
Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
---Trav on 7/2/21


Jacobs 12 sons regardless of who their mother was are where the 12 Tribes of Israel come. Each son was given a name. That name is the name of a tribe. No two brothers came from the same tribe, as each is its own tribe. But Trav's BOOK OF ISRAEL have their own selected verses, and new definition of TRIBE.

Now King David may have had many wives, but all his children would be considered of the tribe of Judah. If not, then Boaz and Ruth's children would not be JUDAH, and Jesus lineage of Judah would be nullified. Ruth was a Sodomite....not at all from Israel.

Trav will curse again at this TEACHING FROM THE HOLY BIBLE. It may not be in his BOOK OF ISRAEL. Kind of like The Book of Mormon.....but worse.
---kathr4453 on 7/1/21


More nonsense from Childish Trav. You stated here 12 tribes.... Then asked where I thought Judas tribe was. Who cares. Only your cult cares. Who cares what Kings says about renting in 12 PCs. One has nothing to do with the other. Two sets of brothers do not come from different tribes. If you knew the scriptures about Israel you would have known that. Being a Gentile I can see why you would be ignorant of that fact. But everything you post is hap hazard like that. No one takes you serious but your own cult. David diesn either but is a hypocrite not rebuking you because his fragile ego couldn't take your insults.
---kathr4453 on 7/1/21


Fake pearls perhaps?

Its true, there are 12 tribes and 12 apostles. But among the apostles there were at least 2 sets of brothers, (James and John, Peter and Andrew).
Therefore it would seem to be impossible for all 12 tribes to be represented among the 12 apostles.
---kathr4453 on 6/30/21

Fake Pearl scripture to you? Wow!
Why are you replying with a copy pasted plagiarized question from another blog? Because you are at least seeking. a rebuttal. Better than ur usual. Keep it up.
Israels 12 sons came from four different mothers. Look em up yourself. They are still brothers.

Heres one you can puzzle over.
1Ki 11:30And Ahijah caught the new garment that was on him, and rent it in twelve pieces:
---Trav on 7/1/21


Fake pearls perhaps?

First, with the exception of Matthew, who may have been a Levite (Mark 2:14), and Paul who was from the tribe of Benjamin (Romans 11:1), the Bible does not record the tribal affiliation of the original apostles. Its true, there are 12 tribes and 12 apostles. But among the apostles there were at least 2 sets of brothers, (James and John, Peter and Andrew). Also most of the apostles were Galilean and according to John 1:44-45 Philip and Nathaniel came from the same town as Peter and Andrew. Tribal allotments and laws of inheritance tended to keep the tribes together. Therefore it would seem to be impossible for all 12 tribes to be represented among the 12 apostles.
---kathr4453 on 6/30/21




Trav, Jesus came to redeem His people, but LOOK, they crucified Him...
---kathr4453 on 6/27/21

I give you pearls you throw em in the mud. A claiming jewish girl like you should at the least recognize your own. Having some doubts here.
12 Apostles. 12 tribes. One Apostle named Judas. Probably represented which of the Twelve tribes?
Judah was Christ own family. His own, Judah received him not. Judah also would have nothing to do with scattered Israel ( Lost Sheep). A lot like you.
So lets do a simple verse for starters.
You like James,
Jas 1:1James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
Now who is left to go too?
---Trav on 6/29/21


Trav, Jesus came to redeem His people, but LOOK, they crucified Him....those realizing HE SHOULD HAVE , but WOOPS....they rejected their own redeemer. Well, not all did, but ISRAEL AS A WHOLE was not redeemed at that time. THAT IS STILL FURURE AT HIS SECOND COMING. Roman's 11...still some branches broken off...

When something should have happened...it means it didn't. If I say I should have worn shoes...I'm saying I have no shoes on.

Luke 24: 20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.

21 But we trusted that it had been he JESUS which SHOULD HAVE redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
---kathr4453 on 6/27/21


David refuses to believe anything Jesus said..
Much like you have Trav.
Neither of you believe in the deity of Jesus Christ..
---kathr4453 on 6/21/21

Well, Thank you for miss-informing us what you believe we believe. Your input output is important to you. Persecution is a blessing coming from you.
Christ, prophets and Apostles posted testimony stand as my own belief I stand with them.
He hath holpen his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy,
Luk 1:68Blessed be the Lord God of Israel, for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
Luk 1:72To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant,
Luk 1:77To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
---Trav on 6/27/21


Trav, you described David perfectly with your verses you just posted. Thank you.

David is still up to thinking he knows more than all the Apostles put together. Even though they walked with Jesus, learned FIRST HAND from Jeses, witnessed His death and resurrection, David refuses to believe anything Jesus said or referred to concerning His resurrection life. Much like you have Trav.

I know your doctrine has issues as to Jesus, like David, only recognize Jesus as a good teacher etc, but not THE SON OF GOD. GOD IN THE FLESH. Neither of you believe in the deity of Jesus Christ. A DEAL BREAKER ALL THE WAY AROUND.
---kathr4453 on 6/21/21


A troll is Internet slang for a person who intentionally tries to instigate conflict, hostility, or arguments.

I was especially enlightened..

MINE WAS PITY for David.
---kathr4453 on 6/19/21

You must have been enlightened reading in front of a mirror. An unexpected outcome for us your new label.
Its your nasty name calling, yelling in print and lack of scripture that outs you here in part.

Isa 8:14And he shall be for a sanctuary, but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
Isa 8:20To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
---Trav on 6/20/21


A troll is Internet slang for a person who intentionally tries to instigate conflict, hostility, or arguments in an online social community. Platforms targeted by trolls can include the comment sections of YouTube, forums, or chat rooms......And even Christian forums.

There's an interesting doc on Netflix called THE CON. I was especially enlightened by the last one...the Hollywood troll. The con games people play with others for who knows what reasons, are everywhere. But I found Davids statement above....(should be read in entirety,on 'Should Christians sell cigarettes'. ) A perfect TROLL TACTIC described in the definition above. Steeped with Gaslighting to get a reaction...MINE WAS PITY for David, EXPOSING a sad and dark heart.
---kathr4453 on 6/19/21


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StrongAxe
But then again, if you answered it truthfully, Kathrine would now be spewing lies about you instead of me. Which is another clue according to (Revelation 21:8)
---David on 6/15/21

Yes here is an example of the very opposite of what JS1234 just posted. 1Cor 13. Projecting someone would do evil out of their own imagination, falsely slandering another, even accusing Strongaxe of lying... ....remember evil comes from an unregenerate heart...

So if you are not measuring up to 1Corinthians 13, can you claim you are sinless?

Maybe those who claim to be sinless have a different definition of sin than the Bible does. Beware of heretics.
---kathr4453 on 6/19/21


Love is patient and kind, love is not jealous or boastful, it is not arrogant or rude. Love does not insist on its own way, it is not irritable or resentful, it does not rejoice at wrong, but rejoices in the right. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

1 Corinthians 13:4-7
---JS1234 on 6/10/21


Most Jews dont believe in Jesus either....---Trav on 6/5/21

Israel will ALWAYS be God's chosen people. The CHURCH is not earthly Israel. We have no promise Land to RETURN TO. Heaven is our home...right now. We don't look for land, we are looking for Jesus Christ. Earthly Israel is looking for the Messiah, who came already and they rejected Him. One day at Jesus 2nd coming THEY will look upon Him WHO THEY HAVE PIERCED AND MOURN because they will realize then THEY CRUCIFIED THE MESSIAH.

However individual Jews down through out the ages do believe in Jesus will be saved from the WRATH TO COME... AKA THE TIME OF JACOBS TROUBLE that spoken of in Daniel AS Jesus clearly stated in Matthew 24-25. Trav is not telling THE WHOLE TRUTH.
---kathr4453 on 6/10/21


The MYSTERY is CHRIST IN YOU THE HOPE OF GLORY, Colossians 1:24-27, .....which the majority of Jews/Israel/NthHouse have rejected Jesus. kathr4453///

Trav stated on the Mason blog Jews don't believe in Jesus. When quoting someone EVEN GOD, it's important to show the WHOLE QUOTE not just part of it.

Christ cannot be IN ANYONE who doesn't believe in Him. So you can't force a square peg in a round hole no matter how hard you try.

ONE DAY, DURING THE GREAT TRIBULATION ..MATTHEW 24-25, God will deal with UNBELIEVING ISRAEL, and only 1/3 will be alive to enter into the earthly kingdom reign. 2/3 will die, in their sin, just like those who DID NOT ENTER THE PROMISE LAND. Even Paul warns about the days of provocation.....
---kathr4453 on 6/10/21


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....which the majority of Jews/Israel/NthHouse have rejected Jesus.
---kathr4453 on 6/9/21

Your opinion is poor building material combined with no knowledge. Teaching construction classes....without concern just desire.
Deu 7:9..... God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations,
Deu 14:2 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people, that ye should shew forth ......:
1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people....
---Trav on 6/10/21


Genesis to Revelation is ABOUT JESUS CHRIST. Genesis 10, after the flood, God divided Noah's sons into different NATIONS. These NATIONS were in existance before Israel. Genesis 12 God promises Abraham, He will make of him a great NATION....SINGULAR. Israel in scripture is always referred to as the NATION of Israel, not NATIONS of Israel.

ALSO, God told Abraham he would be the father of MANY NATIONS. ALL FAMILIES OF THE EARTH. But this is not referring to genetic offspring, but spiritual. Roman's 4:16, Galatians 3:29. If you are CHRISTS, you are Abraham's seed and heirs according to promise. You must believe in Jesus Christ to be Christ's***** and Abrahams Spiritual seed. MATTHEW 3:9, LUKE 3:8, LUKE 13:28 ,JOHN 8:39 , 8:56-57*****
---kathr4453 on 6/10/21


Genesis begins with no Jews, however we see the BEGINNING OF SALVATION, as Hebrews 11 show. Abel, Enoch, Noah begin the pattern of salvation that is BY FAITH in the promised redeemer. Genesis 3:15.

Then we have a pattern of things in HEAVEN God used Israel to show us here....SEEING CHRIST IN THE TABERNACLE. All that was after a pattern of things in heaven. God gave Israel the LAW, so that sin would ABOUND,Romans 5 so that the whole world is found guilty before God.

The MYSTERY is CHRIST IN YOU THE HOPE OF GLORY, Colossians 1:24-27, .....which the majority of Jews/Israel/NthHouse have rejected Jesus.

Paul warns reminding of the days they rebelled in the wilderness and DIED IN THEIR SIN. Jude 1:5 , 1 Cor 10:5
---kathr4453 on 6/9/21


WHAT?! How can you claim these have no foundation?
---StrongAxe on 6/6/21

A foundation is the beginning of a house. So walls will hold the roof up.
You have no foundation in scripture.... the beginnings of Israel. The prophets.
You attempt to take a few verses in New Covenant Testament to build a structure incapable of standing. A weak, dangerous and confused hut.
Isa 51:1 Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the LORD: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged.

Isa 51:2 Look unto Abraham your father, and unto Sarah that bare you: for I called him alone, and blessed him, and increased him.
---Trav on 6/9/21


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Trav:
You keep mentioning "Israel's scripture".
It sounds like it's something you just made up.
Heb 13:20. How does that apply directly to anything being discussed...
---StrongAxe on 6/6/21

Your playing context ignorant again now. Maybe you are.
Lets post it again.... Shepherd of and for the Sheep and Blood of Everlasting Covenant.

Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

Lev 20:26And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine.

---Trav on 6/8/21


Trav:

You wrote: I'm your man sister.

What does that even mean?

You keep mentioning "Israel's scripture". What is that, exactly? I don't recall that term ever being used in either old or new testaments. It sounds like it's something you just made up.

Logical in that you claim no foundation in scripture

WHAT?! I actually quote scriptures to prove my points. How can you claim these have no foundation?

You constantly quote scriptures that are not related to the subject at hand, but are references that are vague and not on point - like Heb 13:20. How does that apply directly to anything being discussed. Nobody disputes that God raised Jesus from the dead.
---StrongAxe on 6/6/21


Trav: I referenced what JESUS SAID. Again, you reject scripture you don't like.
---StrongAxe on 5/27/21

Mark up another a false statement.
What I reject is your interpretation of Israels book, their messiahs mission mixed with your liberal agendas. You revel in scriptural contention. I'm your man sister.
My sword is a sword and Israels scripture which you have no scriptural or doctrinal defense for. Logical in that you claim no foundation in scripture but, devise and promote your own.
It calls for scripture when you do.... that Sheep will see and hear.
Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
---Trav on 6/4/21


Trav:
You wrote: I like and utilize all scripture. My posts testifying.

If you utilize all scripture, why do you put down the ones I quote? Why do you constantly put down everything I say **even when I am directly quoting Jesus or the Apostles**?.
---StrongAxe on 5/29/21

Well guess it would seem that way, seeing you have no answer for Israels scriptures. Which i prefer to post nullifying your misconceptions with specific scripture rather than opinion.
I do have an agenda... to post Sheep/Israels scripture you discard because you presume to have replaced them.
Pretty foolish in the face of thousands of overwhelming statements, promises by GOD to this people. You have bought into a delusion.
---Trav on 5/29/21


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Trav:

You wrote: I like and utilize all scripture. My posts testifying.

If you utilize all scripture, why do you put down the ones I quote? Why do you constantly put down everything I say **even when I am directly quoting Jesus or the Apostles**?
They are just as much scriptures as the ones you quote, yet you don't seem to like them, because they disagree with your own pet agenda.
---StrongAxe on 5/29/21


Trav: I referenced what JESUS SAID. Again, you reject scripture you don't like.
---StrongAxe on 5/27/21

I like and utilize all scripture. My posts testifying.
I point to the water... but, it is not my
place or fault if you cannot or do not drink, see or hear. Even British sheep.
Ironically you make opportunities for those Sheep who can and will.
Like kat your logic and misunderstanding does not equal or erase the prophets, promises of GOD. Which is also in scripture.
Job 33:14For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man perceiveth it not.
Isa 9:8The Lord sent a word into Jacob, and it hath lighted upon Israel.
Isa 45:25In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.
---Trav on 5/28/21


David8318:

I did not "quote" Luke 22:36. I just mentioned part of it, That you deduced chapter and verse means you got what I intended.

I never said Jesus told his disciples to wage war. You put words in my mouth and then condemn me for them. He told them to buy a sword for self-defense - and Peter exceeded that mandate by chopping off the servant's ear.

Jesus does not want his disciples to take up arms. It is neither wise, nor loving.

If he didn't want them to take up a sword, why did he tell them to buy one? To display on the mantel? If a lion attacks you, you can still love it without offering yourself for lunch.

Trav: I referenced what JESUS SAID. Again, you reject scripture you don't like.
---StrongAxe on 5/27/21


Jesus did not come to bring peace but a sword. Matthew 10:34-36.

The Crusades, CONSTANTINE thought spiritual warfare could be fought with a literal sword. (Jerusalem NEVER belonged to the RCC ) THEY LOST. It was clearly GREED. Ephesians 6 state our spiritual warfare is fought with spiritual armour. And that was what Jesus was stating to Peter. Jesus came to die for our sins. Peter didn't understand that yet.

However one has the right to defend their homes, and country from outside invasion etc. a totally different animal. Even Israel all throughout the book of Judges went to war defending their land, killing literally the enemy. Judges 5-7 God tells us His thoughts on those who do not come to the aid of their homeland.
---kathr4453 on 5/28/21


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Lu.22:36- misquoted by- strongaxe.

A little knowledge can be dangerous. Strongaxe misquote and limited knowledge of the events in Gethsemane creates war and destruction on a global scale!

In context, comparing both Luke and Matthew, Jesus used the situation in Gethsemane to teach his disciples a salient lesson. When Peter drew the sword, the parallel account at Matthew 26:52, Jesus said:

"Put your sword back in its place... for all who draw the sword will die by the sword".

Jesus does not want his disciples to take up arms. It is neither wise, nor loving.

Rather, "Love your enemies, and pray for those persecuting you"- Mt.5:44. Something strongaxe fails to comprehend.
---David8318 on 5/27/21


Jesus himself told his disciples that if they had two cloaks, they should sell one and buy a sword.
---StrongAxe on 5/25/21

David this guy speaks outta both sides of his mouth.
Now he defends swords. Not brave enough to weld one himself, he prefers other Americans die to protect his fearful Canadian self. A fence straddler. Gate rider, Is what Cowboys call em.
Rev 3:15I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
Rev 3:16So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee
---Trav on 5/27/21


David8318:

If they had, every one would have gone to the gas chamber. It's easy to sit in an ivory tower and blame others for not being willing to sacrifice their lives.

In places where JW is illegal, do you throw yourselves on your swords on principle, or practice your beliefs in secret? JWs whistle Kingdom songs in public as a "secret handshake", like how early Christians drew fish.

If another JW burst into your house with a weapon, intent on killing your family, would you let them, or would you try to stop them? If you would, you have no business criticizing others who do the same. Pot. Kettle. Black. "Love each other" doesn't mean "be a doormat".
---StrongAxe on 5/26/21


//clergymen secretly worked against the Nazis//- strongaxe.

But they wouldn't have had to if their church leaders opposed the Nazis in the first place! It was Catholic church policy to support the Nazis! Strongaxe pettifogging over JW's, who 'keep on the watch' is wholly disproportionate considering the devastation strongaxe church has inflicted on humanity! (Mk.13:37)

Regarding Love, Jesus said:

"By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another."- Jo.13:35 (NIV)

During the last 2 World Wars Catholics killed Catholics, and Protestants killed Protestants.

There's no Christian love in Constantinian religions!
---David8318 on 5/26/21


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David 831:

You wrote: "Love your enemies"! A teaching strongaxe is yet to comprehend!

Loving your enemies doesn't require you to bear your neck to them so they can slaughter you like sheep. It just means that you don't get to retaliate back. If there are roaming gangs of thieves in your neighborhood, you can still lock your door instead of putting out the welcome mat. Jesus himself told his disciples that if they had two cloaks, they should sell one and buy a sword.

And if you're going to use the term "bloodthirsty", how many people (especially children) have died because JWs refuse blood transfusions? Your own hands are not clean.
---StrongAxe on 5/25/21


JEWS TRIED TO MURDER PAUL. Paul turns to the Gentiles. .
---kathr4453 on 5/25/21

Your jewish family.... didnt believe prophets now or Christ then.

Two parties/houses involved have prophets proof, seen by Covenant.
Heb 8:8....., saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Paul understood who he was sent too, all Israel. Paul worked for Christ.

Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Rom 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
---Trav on 5/25/21


//Nowhere does Jesus tell us that we should go like sheep to the slaughter//- strongaxe.

The loving thing to do is to follow Jesus' command and "turn the other cheek"- Matt.5:39. Also to "love your enemies and pray for those persecuting you"- Matt.5:44.

Instead of following Christ's teachings, strongaxe prefers the teachings of his bloodthirsty Catholic warlord Jimmy Gibbons, so-called "Cardinal" of Baltimore who along with the rest of his Archbishop cohorts taught their flocks in 1917 to "rise as one man to serve the nation...the duty of a citizen is absolute and unreserved obedience to his country's call".

"Love your enemies"! A teaching strongaxe is yet to comprehend!
---David831 on 5/25/21


Those steeped in cults can only fall back on insults and false accusations to support their nonsense. Real Christians discuss doctrine, not assault those who point out untruths. And real Christians LOVE it when an untruth is pointed out.

Yes Jesus CAME TO HIS OWN FIRST. And HIS OWN RECEIVED HIM NOT. At Pentecost , yes thousands of Jews were saved, But thousands were not, persecuting the Apostles and murdering Stephen im sure along with others. After Pauls conversion , JEWS TRIED TO MURDER PAUL. The ones who REJECTED JESUS CHRIST. Paul turns to the Gentiles. So right there proves NO KINGDOM RESTORED TO ISRAEL BEGAN THEN AND NOT TO THIS VERY DAY. My goodness Israel didn't become a nation again until 1948.
---kathr4453 on 5/25/21


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Trav:
Kathr is neither my wife nor teacher. You leap to incorrect conclusions.....
---StrongAxe on 5/24/21

It was not clear on your relationship.... now it is. Thanks. You seem heavily under her influence. She tries to verbally parrot you at times. You two make a pair.
Back to your nations doctrine, Imagine your life work is looking for Israel in all nations. You disperse the gospel.
Who is drawn. Who accepts.
Who takes the religion, who distorts and who doesn't.
Jas 1:1James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
---Trav on 5/25/21


Trav:

Kathr is neither my wife nor teacher. You leap to incorrect conclusions, based on zero evidence (e.g. this, and Armostrongist theory that British = Lost Tribes of Israel, that most Christians reject). Just because two people have similar opinions that disagree with yours doesn't mean they are in cahoots. Maybe it's because yours are wrong?

I posted several scriptures, by Jesus and Apostles, that prove Jesus was first sent to Israel, but later the Gospel was expanded to all nations (In ADDITION to, not INSTEAD of Israel). That you consider these "no prophets or Christ supporting your position" speaks volumes about your one-sided approach to scripture - rejecting any scriptures that do not support your position.
---StrongAxe on 5/24/21


Trav:
You are constantly accusing people of being false witnesses,.....
Yes, you constantly post scriptures that support your position,...br>---StrongAxe on 5/23/21

Yes I accused your wife/teacher of being a false witness.... twice.
I meant it.
I follow/belong to no denom, man or organization. Christ is my religion.

I constantly, consistantly post scriptures fo Israels position.

I consider the few scriptures you guys post. They have no prophets or Christ supporting your interpretation of them. The context you worship is you.... and your mis-interpretations.
Israel was a servant people, still are.
You would have nothing to mis- interpret if not for them and GODs promises too them.
---Trav on 5/24/21


Trav:

You wrote: We?? This accusation again makes you a false witness. Your opinions, yelling in print, name calling, are weak warnings.

You are constantly accusing people of being false witnesses, and being unbelievers, and worse, so accusing others of "yelling in print, name calling" is the pot calling the kettle black.

Yes, you constantly post scriptures that support your position, but you casually dismiss those that support the positions of others - forgetting that BOTH of them are part of the same Bible.
---StrongAxe on 5/23/21


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Trav, You state things not even in scripture trying to find a verse you think will back up what you are saying. You mishandle the Word of God for one thing, and omit scripture others post, you refusing to accept ALL SCRIPTURE. RED FLAG! LET ME YELL THAT AGAIN "RED FLAG".

Trav,Every false teacher posts cherry picked verses. You are no different. You like all cults redefined words to FORCE your false doctrine on others. And YOU get nasty when one points this out... Also another red flag cults do.

Your false doctrine has been exposed for years, and many sites will explain it to you. Not even Jews for Jesus agree with your doctrine. And no Messianic congregations do either. You should take notice of that.
---kathr4453 on 5/23/21


Yes I know Trav....this is what we ...
---kathr4453 on 5/22/21

We?? This accusation again makes you a false witness. Your opinions, yelling in print, name calling, are weak warnings.
Christ words and the prophets are what I post and who you never have answers for.
So you do not claim to be a Sheep, or in the flock sooooo ... prophets words wont/cant support your posts. What is the name of your doctrine?

Isa 48:11For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

Isa 48:12Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called, I am he, I am the first, I also am the last.
---Trav on 5/22/21


Act 20:29For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
---Trav on 5/20/21

Yes I know Trav....this is what we have been warning you about...ARMSTRONGISM is one of these grevious wolves. Just one among multitudes of false teachers.
---kathr4453 on 5/22/21


....NEVER GIVEN TO ISRAEL, but will be given the Church....
---kathr4453 on 5/12/21

My posted in multiple verses belonging to GOD....call to an ethnos Israel, that accept instead of distort their promises.
They go through the Sheep gate... not climb over the back door.
Joh 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
Joh 10:7 Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
Joh 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
Act 20:29For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
---Trav on 5/20/21


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....NEVER GIVEN TO ISRAEL, but will be given the Church....
---kathr4453 on 5/12/21

My posted in multiple verses belonging to GOD....call to an ethnos Israel, that accept instead of distort their promises.
They go through the Sheep gate... not climb over the back door.
Joh 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
Joh 10:7 Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
Joh 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
Act 20:29For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
---Trav on 5/19/21


Trav, I have nothing against the OT prophets, I believe every prophecy. Nowhere have I ever stated otherwise. However THE MYSTERY CHURCH kept secret but now revealed was not prophecied in the OT. Jesus Himself first spoke of this in His prayer in John 17. Do you think Jesus has no right? Matthew 13:35???? In the OT Israel saw the Glory of God, and the Glory of God was manifest to them, but was never IN THEM. The Glory Jesus had before His incarnation was NEVER GIVEN TO ISRAEL, but will be given the Church....the CHURCH that includes EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES IN THIS DISPENSATION. No DNA, geanology test required..ONLY SINNERS SAVED BY GRACE . I know you hate it, but God is still proceeding. Your verses can't stop it.
---kathr4453 on 5/12/21


Trav, you're not scripture or Gods prophet....
you haven't won a single battle here.
---kathr4453 on 5/10/21

I agree... Im not either prophet or GOD.
Ha....There is no battle.... except your doctrine against every Prophet, Christ and his Apostles.
I stand with them..... it is the safest place in the universe. Posting their scriptures I can do left handed. All the OT unifies with the NT. You have a poor hand against GODs prophets. A stubborn bluff against a royal flush.... with your cards facing towards the opponent.
1Pe 2:9But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people,
Psa 135:4For the LORD hath chosen Jacob unto himself, and Israel for his peculiar treasure.
---Trav on 5/11/21


John 17: 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them, that they may be one, even as we are one:

23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. CHRIST IN YOU THE HOPE OF GLORY....Colossians 1:24-27. Out of Jesus own mouth.


THAT THE WHOLE WORLD MAY KNOW.....Not just Jews/10N house.

But again Israel the earthly nation will SEE the Glory of the Lord, however the CHURCH...THOSE ONE WITH GOD IN CHRIST( COLOSSIANS 3:1-4) seated with Christ in heavenly places IN CHRIST, also not earthly, but a NEW CREATURE, was never revealed in the OT as Ephesians 3:1-5 clearly state.
---kathr4453 on 5/11/21


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Trav, you're not scripture or Gods prophet. I like what the BOC is to do...putt on the whole ARMOUR of God. I never see that on you as you flail around verses you think are going to cut someone's head off. You simply are showing the difference between one warring in the flesh and can't stand up to those warring in the spirit. You haven't learned how to rightly handle the Word of God, and just haphazardly hurl OT scripture at anyone who disagrees with you. We don't use the Word of God to curse another...that is witchcraft.

Maybe you should study the NT TRAV....having your speech filled with grace, etc. you haven't won a single battle here. And your OT verses are irrelevant to this dispensation of GRACE AND THE CHURCH AGE.
---kathr4453 on 5/10/21


I'm beginning to see why Trav has a spirit of comdemning others and playing God here, .......
---kathr4453 on 5/10/21

Who is condemning??
GODs scripture by prophets, Apostles on my posts/arrows have hit a target off to the left.
Hmmmm 1st time it has stuck past the arrow-head. The wind? Move the target or the bow? Lets see....Only one GOD for my instruction book.... his arrows, his bow.
My fingers.

2Sa 22:27 With the pure thou wilt shew thyself pure, and with the froward thou wilt shew thyself unsavoury.

Gen 49:24 But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob, (from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel:)
---Trav on 5/10/21


The Lord bless you and keep you: The Lord make his face to shine upon you, and be gracious to you: The Lord lift up his countenance upon you, and give you peace.

Numbers 6:24-26
---JS1234 on 5/9/21

I am going to take this very personal....
Thankyou.

Luk 10:6And if the son of peace be there, your peace shall rest upon it: if not, it shall turn to you again.

I have had a peace beyond my previous understanding..... for 24+ years now.
Luk 10:16He that heareth you heareth me, and he that despiseth you despiseth me, and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.
Rom 3:11-18 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
---Trav on 5/10/21


The Lord bless you and keep you: The Lord make his face to shine upon you, and be gracious to you: The Lord lift up his countenance upon you, and give you peace.

Numbers 6:24-26
---JS1234 on 5/9/21


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I believe a couple of verses Trav posted Trav must think he is God. God never asked US to spew anyone out of our mouth. God never asked US to judge if someone is hot or cold or Luke warm. I'm beginning to see why Trav has a spirit of comdemning others and playing God here, judging others, measuring everyone against himself. Only God can measure us against Christ alone, not each other. And it's LOVE that will draw the sinner to Christ. The Pharisees have no such power. But this is the difference between being IN CHRIST AND CHRIST IN YOU, or believing the law now written in your heart has turned you into a modern day Pharisee where you now justify your condemnation towards others.

ALERT : Romans 8:1.......
---kathr4453 on 5/10/21


Love is patient and kind, ... Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
1 Corinthians 13:4-7
---JS1234 on 5/8/21

Truth has no love for untruth. Night hates light.
Lukewarm is not a desirable characteristic.

Psa 119:119Thou puttest away all the wicked of the earth like dross: therefore I love thy testimonies.

Psa 119:128Therefore I esteem all thy precepts concerning all things to be right, and I hate every false way.

Rev 3:16So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
---Trav on 5/9/21


Love is patient and kind, love is not jealous or boastful, it is not arrogant or rude. Love does not insist on its own way, it is not irritable or resentful, it does not rejoice at wrong, but rejoices in the right. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

1 Corinthians 13:4-7
---JS1234 on 5/8/21


kathr4453 wrote: "NO ONE CAN COME TO THE FATHER ( HEAVEN) EXCEPT THROUGH THE SON... on what AUTHORITY do you have to change the rules and FALSELY LIE and mislead others ..."

I didn't change the rules. It's mentioned in the bible.

There are two resurrections. The first is when Jesus returns when the dead in Christ shall rise and the living shall be caught up with the dead.

The second resurrections is at the end of the thousand year reign of Christ when all the other dead shall rise and be judged from the book of life - according to their works. Some to everlasting death and some to everlasting life.

Blessed are those that rise in the first resurrection.
---Steveng on 4/8/19


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The ultimate example of how to LOVE, is set by Jesus Christ who laid down His life for you and me. There is no greater love than to lay down your life for another. Jesus laid down His life for telling the TRUTH. He was crucified because He told the TRUTH. What was that TRUTH? That's no one can come to the Father except through His Son, Jesus Christ. We also see this in His Apostles. They too laid down their lives preaching the ONE AND ONLY GOSPEL, that no one can come to the Father except through His Son. Yes...THAT MESSAGE WILL GET YOU KILLED. Hare Krishna will only get you punched in the face at the airport.

So many missionaries have laid down their lives to bring the Gospel to the whole world Just as Jesus asked.
---kathr4453 on 4/6/19


Steve:

But the assurance that infants and children are and will be in GOD'S KINGDOM and in THE LORD'S PRESENCE forever . . . it came from THE LORD'S OWN WORDS when HE said: "Let the children come unto ME, for of them is The Kingdom of Heaven" . . . innocent as they are (and WHO better than THE LORD to understand that?) - for they can't see the difference between good from evil!
---Melody on 4/6/19


Steven:

You aren't the only one concerned about the souls on this earth that for one reason or another, they haven't had the blessing of coming to the knowledge of our LORD JESUS CHRIST SUPREME SACRIFICE for us sinners, through The Gospel of Salvation, and that's why THE LORD said: "And how would they know about ME, if no one tells them?" - often I bring this to THE LORD, and in acknowledging - (above all things HIS GRACE) - if we sinners feel that compassion for them - how much more our LORD under HIS PRECIOUS AND MERCIFUL AGAPE LOVE?.

How could GOD HIMSELF condemn innocent ones that for no fault of their own, they lived and died on this earth without receiving the opportunity to know about GOD'S GIFT of Salvation?
---Melody on 4/5/19


Steveng, no one can come to the Father except through His Son Jesus Christ. AKA, the Only way to heaven To God the Father is through Jesus Christ. Argue all you want, but it's God's rules...Its His monopoly game and the RULES SAY, NO ONE CAN COME TO THE FATHER ( HEAVEN) EXCEPT THROUGH THE SON. That's what God sent His Son to reconcile man back to God. If you don't like the rules Steveng, on what AUTHORITY do you have to change the rules and FALSELY LIE and mislead others ...that will be on YOUR HEAD. WOW....don't wanna be in your shoes on Judgement day. LIARS will not enter the Kingdom of God. Your false Gospel is a LIE. Gods not gonna let them in because YOU lied.
---kathr4453 on 4/5/19


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StevenG said, "As a small group, people are accountable to one another. People grow and mature in Christ a whole lot better than going to a denominational "church" service once a week. We are not to be only hearers of the word."

But your "small group" is not connected to any other small, medium, or large scale congregation, or you would be able to claim 501c3 status.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/5/19


Monk_Brendan wrote: "YOUR HOUSEHOLD is all that you are responsible for,.."

Christians are responsible to all of humanity. The ultimate commandment is "love". The bible is full of examples about HOW to love. We, as christians, are to assemble daily with not only our family, but friends and neighbors - and even strangers.

As a small group, people are accountable to one another. People grow and mature in Christ a whole lot better than going to a denominational "church" service once a week. We are not to be only hearers of the word.

Jesus and the apostles set the example. We are to emulate Jesus in all his works and even do greater works.

What's the meaning of true religion?
---Steveng on 4/4/19


StevenG said, "What about the people throughout all of history who did/do not know God or Jesus? Will they have eternal life?"

What about the infants who died, the children who died, and the mentally challenged? Will they have eternal life?

YOUR HOUSEHOLD is all that you are responsible for, and in that, I cannot judge whether you are doing wright or wrong in God's eyes.

I know of a man in India that helps people all day long, by taking care of their feet. He is Hindu, but he is obeying what is God is drawing him to do. I think it is a better bet on him getting into heaven than some people on this list.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/4/19


Because they spend all their time criticizing, judging, and condemning others, and criticizing, judging, and condemning others' spirituality and beliefs, instead of cleaning their own house first.
---StrongAxe on 4/2/19


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\\Did THE LORD feel superior when HE spoke THE TRUTH?\\

Where did you get the idea you were speaking the truth, Melody?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/2/19


Melody wrote: "THE ONLY WAY OF SALVATION that is through THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.."

What about the people throughout all of history who did/do not know God or Jesus? Will they have eternal life?

What about the infants who died, the children who died, and the mentally challenged? Will they have eternal life?

What about the people who do the will of God, not knowing it's the will of God? Will they have eternal life?
---Steveng on 4/2/19


Monk:

1st Corinthians 13: "And now remain, faith, hope and LOVE - and the greatest is LOVE". - and when THE AGAPE LOVE is within a person's heart, he will see the souls with compassion and mercy (love your neighbor as yourself) and would act and live in this so short and temporary earthly life, by bringing others to THE LORD'S SALVATION and by that, sharing HIS GOSPEL in TRUTH as THE LORD commands us to do, in that, we are being obedient to what HE admonishes HIS People: "Go and preach The Gospel, in season and out of season" - for whoever might have a sensitive heart to listen to It and accept GOD'S GIFT of Salvation that it's only through our LORD JESUS CHRIST - now and forever!
---Melody on 4/2/19


Monk:

Did THE LORD feel superior when HE spoke THE TRUTH? - of course not! . . . but then 'the hypocritical, religious Pharisees, attacked and persecuted HIM and why? - because on their own wickedness they couldn't bear or accept WHOM HE WAS - GOD IN HUMAN FORM!

THE LORD says to HIS People:
Go and preach The Gospel TO the ends of the earth" - and to those who are of an open heart - of course - no one can force anyone (not even THE LORD HIMSELF will do it) - GOD'S GIFT OF SALVATION is for those who will accept it and by that believing in THE ONLY WAY OF SALVATION that is through THE LORD JESUS CHRIST and reverence to HIS WORD!
---Melody on 4/2/19


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Melody said, "Why it is? - because from the depth of hell itself this distortion and attack against Christianity comes from and you are right, by those 'so called Christians' but aren't and that the wicked and destroyer of the souls use them to make it appear like that!

THE LORD says: "Test the spirits' and then separate what's TRUTH and what's not: "Not all that says: LORD, LORD - but those who do MY WILL" . . . and under obedience to THE TRUE GOSPEL OF SALVATION . . . Selah!"


Melody, in all of Matt 25 and 1 Cor 13, there is not ONE command to beat people into submission, and to feel superior to those that don't agree with you. Read both passages, and you will see.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/1/19


Jesus said "If ye love me, keep my commandments." Jhn 14:15
---joseph on 4/1/19


Steven:

What is LOVE? -"GOD IS LOVE - THE AGAPE/PERFECT LOVE" - and "If someone is in CHRIST - a new creature he is, the old things have passed away and everything has become new" in CHRIST JESUS our LORD"!!!

Why it is? - because from the depth of hell itself this distortion and attack against Christianity comes from and you are right, by those 'so called Christians' but aren't and that the wicked and destroyer of the souls use them to make it appear like that!

THE LORD says: "Test the spirits' and then separate what's TRUTH and what's not: "Not all that says: LORD, LORD - but those who do MY WILL" . . . and under obedience to THE TRUE GOSPEL OF SALVATION . . . Selah!
---Melody on 4/1/19


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