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And the craziest of all is David's idea that we're foster kids until we're adopted. Foster meaning servants. He said his parents fostered two girls and I guess made them servants and based upon their service to them, passed their test and then were adopted. CALLED CONDITIONAL LOVE ....YIKES. Problem David....YOU were born into your family. We are also BORN INTO GOD'S FAMILY, BEGOTTEN THROUGH JESUS CHRIST. CALLED BEING BORN AGAIN.
Also, GENTILES were never servants. Israel was. But were never said to be foster kids..
---kat453 on 4/24/19


We do see Abraham only believed in one God...obeyed God's voice. Just as Noah in his time did not follow pagan worship...certainly there were laws from Adam after the fall to Moses. But these were laws of FAITH, believing in the one and only true God. Enoch walked with God. And their faith in the ONLY TRUE GOD where they all practiced sacrifice as a testimony of their faith is a law as well. They, because of having a relationship with the Lord OBEYED HIS VOICE and no other.
---kathr4453 on 4/24/19


Romans 5 CLEARLY say between Adam and Moses THERE WAS NO LAW....HOWEVER DEATH STILL REIGNED.---kathr4453

(Genesis 26:4-5) And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries, and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed, because Abraham obeyed My voice, and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.

Kathryn
Wrong...according to the passage above, God clearly says, Abraham kept His Law.
I know...I know...Paul taught Abraham was not UNDER the Law.

Key word...UNDER.
Paul taught Abraham was never UNDER Gods Law, not that Abraham did not keep Gods Law. Do you understand the difference?
---David on 4/24/19


You tell us Nicole, Is there a difference? These verses say it plain and clear. We are not saved by our works, but by Grace, which after we are saved WALK IN THE WORKS GOD HAS BEFORE ORDAINED WE SHOULD WALK IN. And as confused as David is, THESE works are not the works of the LAW that I will be judged by.

Ephesians 2:8-10

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
---kathr4453 on 4/24/19


Romans 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone,

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?


Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: ....
---kath453 on 4/24/19




Why is it when Protestants do works it is DIFFERENT than Catholic's works?

When I worked in the soup kitchen I stood next to many Protestants.

I saw many Protestants visiting Prisoners.

I saw them care for the sick.

Why are you all doing these works?

Are you afraid you WON'T go to Heaven?

Do you REALLY take Matthew 25 literally?
---Nicole_Lacey on 4/23/19


What is not of faith is sin...or didn't you read that verse David.

If the Law of MOSES pointed to SIN, and you claim we are not under the law of MOSES, but another law.....what law then is judging my sin?

I'm a NEW CREATURE in Christ...what are you David? No one in the OT was a NEW CREATURE in the RISEN CHRIST.

You talk in circles David. Romans 5 CLEARLY say between Adam and Moses THERE WAS NO LAW....HOWEVER DEATH STILL REIGNED.
---kathr4453 on 4/23/19


You David have rejected EVERYTHING I have posted in Galatians...arguing constantly against it. ---kathr4453 on 4/18/19

Kathryn
Your definition of Grace, simply does not take into account everything taught on the subject. The bible, by many writers, Paul included, teach that we will be judged by our works (Romans 2).

You are a sinner...correct?
Tell me, how do you sin without the Law, when sin is the transgression of the Law?
---David on 4/23/19


\\ your are here to insult and denigrate others \\

Why do you project so much, Melody?

By that I mean accusing others of what you yourself are actually doing.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/19/19


Silly girl, YOU are the Pharasee here. Yes Jesus and Paul rebuked the Pharisees, just as I rebuke you.
Too funny
---kathr4453 on 4/19/19




However David, these works of faith we do after we are saved will be judged at the judgement seat of Christ...not the great white throne judgement. We may have loss of rewards but not loss of salvation. Please know the difference between these two judgements.

We're not saved by our works of faith David. But every true Born Again Christian WILL have works of faith. Some more than others. Some will produce more fruit than others, but we are not saved by how much fruit we produce. We are saved by Faith in What Jesus did...not what we do.
---kath453 on 4/19/19


Kathryn:

In ignore you are - use your words to yourself - as from beginning to end - your are here to insult and denigrate others - and just as the 'accuser' - you are acting . . . stop your vile comments about me - do your hear me? - keep them to yourself . . . and may THE LORD rebuke your false testimonies against others as HE only knows how to deal with people like you - just as HE did with The Pharisees/religions ones - good bye!
---Melody on 4/19/19


Melody, I don't know what your problem is, but your snarky remarks only show how ignorant you are concerning sound doctrine. Your selfrighteous judgement with your hateful remarks only show how thinned skinned you are when someone disagrees with you. Carnal Christians like yourself cause more damage to the Church than the unsaved do.

We simply have different levels of learning. Your still drinking milk, and are having issues rightly dividing the word of truth. I rebuked your very first post and it hurt your feelings...and your FLESH is showing. Please grow up, or better yet, use self control.
---kathr4453 on 4/18/19


Steveng/ David, the Bible is clear what the GRACE that brings salvation is about. And the Book of Galatians is the most detailed doctrine there is telling us the difference between GRACE vs the LAW, what it is to fall from Grace.....( going back under the law after beginning in the Spirit) Gal 3. And Galatians 2:20-21 clarify that again.

So David I reject YOUR discombobulated definition of GRACE. You David have rejected EVERYTHING I have posted in Galatians...arguing constantly against it.

I believe in the Rapture of the CHURCH, and there is no back door for those who are not in the BOC during this dispensation OF GRACE who are saved by faith in Jesus Christ who died for our sin. AND Both of you reject that Jesus is GOD.
---kathr4453 on 4/18/19


Kathryn:

The problem here is you - your own wrong assumptions of what you read and about others! . . . Your false accusations against me and others THE LORD sees it - and as you are bearing false testimony, that's against you! Since when I said that I don't believe in GOD'S GRACE? - just because I confirmed GOD'S WORD in which THE LORD said: "If you love ME, keep MY - COMMAMDMENTS".. . in your own distorted view of where you are, you just take from other writings, what you want to take in order to come with your attacks, you can preach all you want, but if you keep acting as you do - your Gospel is just 'words' - THE LOVE OF CHRIST isn't in you . . . ask THE LORD for deliverance!
---Melody on 4/18/19


kathr4453,
Grace is NOT the good news, the gospel.

The Gospel, the good news, is the soon to come Kingdom of God. Nothing more, nothing less. Jesus and the apostles taught us how to get there from where we are today and that is through the ultimate commandment - Love, as in the verb form. Love, true love from the heart, is your ticket to heaven. Sure, God has mercy, grace, upon his creation giving us a chance to populate his kingdom.

So saying the gospel is anything other than the coming of the Kingdom of God is false teaching.
---Steveng on 4/18/19


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David rejects salvation by GRACE. He has put a different definition to GRACE.---kathr4453

Kathryn
Again, Your definition of Grace is what I oppose...not the one found in the bible. David rejects Salvation by Grace? You know that is a lie, so why say it? Try to keep the influence of Sin out of our discussion.

You trust the Greek dictionary...look up the definition of the word. It says Grace is the favor of God. How do you reconcile that with your definition?
---David on 4/18/19


Melody, your not listening. The conversation is about salvation, not how we live after we are saved. GRACE is the CROSS... This is what David rejects. David rejects salvation by GRACE. He has put a different definition to GRACE. And he has put a legalistic definition to justification.

Melody, you have no business reprimanding others when YOU can't even defend the Gospel of Grace.

David is all over the place, stating God saves who He wants ONLY AFTER you keep the commandments. This is not even Calvinism...if John was paying attention.
---kathr4453 on 4/16/19


David, no one here but Melody agrees with your version of Grace. Although I believe in free will, I believe even Calvinist's believe we are saved by Grace through Faith, it is a Gift of God, NOT OF WORKS lest any man should boast.

GRACE again is defined in Galatians 2:20-21, stating it is CHRIST IN YOU, VIA BEING CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST AND RAISED UP TOGETHER WITH HIM A NEW CREATURE.

I Know you hate this definition of Grace. You HATE the doctrine of the CROSS, and it appears Melody does as well.

You are disagreeing with GOD not me.

The Second resurrection you both plan to attend,???? THE CHURCH will be a witness against you. You have TRAMPLED the Spirit of GRACE...Hebrews 10.

I warn you both IN LOVE....
---kat453 on 4/16/19


We just reject your version of Grace for the one Jesus taught.
---David on 4/15/19

David, other than Melody supporting your False Gospel...her showing how two faced she is stating on other threads we are redeemed by His Blood, redeemed is a ONCE and for all PURCHASE ....not some monthly coupon club and then MAYBE in the end, if we've kept the law, will be given eternal life. ...there is no WE.

God has more compassion on you David because you don't know better. melody however will be judged more harshly, as scripture states to those who know the truth but compromise the truth in favor of WHAT MELODY? Because he likes you? And you like him?
---kat453 on 4/16/19


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Kathryn:

If you'd really stand up for GOD'S WORD, you wouldn't be in opposition to IT as you do, for it's so clear that no matter who shares exactly what THE LORD admonishes us in reference to those who are in true commitment unto HIM -you contradict it . . .yes! - we are saved by GRACE - but why are you ignoring what THE LORD requires of us about keeping HIS COMMANDMENTS if we love HIM? - put aside your ego and accept THE TRUTH OF HIS GOSPEL - GOD'S WORD is first - not someone here that wants to be above all others just as you show in your replies and in that not even accepting THE LORD'S OWN WORDS to us - is that true Christianity to you?
---Melody on 4/15/19


And if you HAVE heard the Gospel of GRACE and rejected it. -Kathryn

Kathryn
We just reject your version of Grace for the one Jesus taught.
---David on 4/15/19


John you need to listen to David.
---kathr4453 on 4/15/19


If folks are hoping to be judged by their works after the FIRST RESURRECTION, and think they are going to earn Heaven, by those works, WOW, that's such a horrible doctrine to hang your hat on.

BLessed are those who have part of the FIRST RESURRECTION...because YOUR NAME is written in the Lambs book of LIFE. Your salvation is secured IN CHRIST. You will actually be judging those along with the Angels at this second resurrection time. Maybe there are degrees of hell, according to these works, but no where in that verse is there any assurance anyone's works will result in eternal life IN HEAVEN.

But yea, David and Melody are hoping to enter another way. GOOD LUCK WITH THAT.
---kath4453 on 4/15/19


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Thank goodness David you came to your senses.

Now those IN CHRIST, aka The CHRUCH will be judged at the judgement seat of Christ, not the Great White Throne Judgement. It's too bad Markv is not here to represent some of these truths John fails to address. ALL Born Again Chriatians KNOW the BOC will not be judged "after" the 1000 year reign, aka the second resurrection.

And if you HAVE heard the Gospel of GRACE and rejected it...you don't qualify to be judged any other way or the hope of slipping through by good works. YIKES!
---kat4453 on 4/15/19


And another book was opened, which is the book of life, and the dead were judged out of those things which written in the books, according to their works". And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: And they were judged every man according to their works".---Melody

Again Melody,...the word Works is a curse word in many churches who choose to extrapolate a false narrative from a few passages of Pauls.

Those who follow these false doctrines have put their trust in men and take the word of men over the word of God. BTW, my apologies for thinking you could have been Kathryn.
---David on 4/15/19


And another book was opened, which is the book of life, and the dead were judged out of those things which written in the books, according to their works". And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: And they were judged every man according to their works".---Melody

Again Melody,...the word Works is a curse word in many churches who choose to extrapolate a false narrative from a few passages of Pauls.

Those who follow these false doctrines have put their trust in men and take the word of men over the word of God. BTW, my apologies for thinking you could have been Kathryn.
---David on 4/15/19


Steven . . . and in accordance to GOD'S WORD = Revelation 20:12,13,14

"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before GOD, and the books were opened: And another book was opened, which is the book of life, and the dead were judged out of those things which written in the books, according to their works". And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: And they were judged every man according to their works".

"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire - this is the second death".
---Melody on 4/14/19


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Sounds like some don't have THE SPIRIT. It must be difficult keeping the law in the flesh. No one could..Except our David here online. Amazing. Let's all give David a standing ovation.

Those IN CHRIST are at this very moment seated with CHRIST in heavenly paces IN CHRIST. our life is hidden with CHRIST in God. And when Christ who is our life appears we shall appear WITH HIM IN GLORY. A HIGHER PLACE THEN THOSE WHO ENTER THROUGH A GATE.
---kathr4453 on 4/14/19


"Blessed are they that do HIS COMMANDMENTS,...Revelation 22:14---Melody

But isnt this a teaching of WORKS?
Many think it is Melody, and thats why they reject it.

What does it mean to repent?
You were born a servant to sin, therefore sin is your Master, right from birth.

When the Bible says, Repent,.... it means to change who you serve. When you Sin, you serve Satan. When you Keep Gods commandments, you serve God.

Sadly...Many churches, in ignorance, teach serving God is Works. Folks are called to repent, yet somehow, without keeping Gods commandments???

For those of you who like to study Paul, in his (Romans 7) marriage analogy, he gives us the result for those who Repent.
---David on 4/15/19


And DONT FORGET, only by the Holy Spirit can we say JESUS IS LORD....AKA LORD GOD ALMIGHTY. 1 Corinthians 12:3

The end of Revelation is addressing those who will enter the 1000 year reign. The CHURCH ENTERS through Jesus Christ..His Bride, BODY.

Now we also see in Matthew conditions as well to enter....by cutting off hands and poking out eyes if they offend. Matthew 18:9

The NEW CREATURE IN CHRIST who is created in righteousness and Holiness will not need to cut or poke.

But if you all want to say this is YOUR GOSPEL....as David also does....then YOU WILL HAVE TO DO SOMETHING to save yourself.
---kat453 on 4/15/19


Only through GOD'S SPIRIT - can we understand THE LORD JESUS CHRIST'S DEITY:

"I AM THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA, THE BEGINNING AND THE ENDING, says THE LORD, which IS and which WAS, and WHICH IS to come, THE ALMIGHTY". Revelation 1:8

"Blessed are they that do HIS COMMANDMENTS, that they may have right to The Tree of Life, and may enter through the gates into the city". Revelation 22:14
---Melody on 4/14/19


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John, THIS is what I listen to. And I don't listen to anyone who says Jesus is not God no matter what else they say.

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. 4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law, ye are fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

I had no idea John that Calvinist's are justified by keeping the Law.....thanks for the info.
---kathr4453 on 4/14/19


So, those who did the will of God, not knowing it was the will of God, are going to suffer in hell for ever?

What about the people who did not know Jesus? The people before Jesus' birth?
---Steveng on 4/14/19


Kathr:

listen to what David is saying his statement is directly in line with Scripture (Rom 8:29-30, Eph 1:4-13, Jn 6:37-45, 64-65, 17:1-9)

Hey, if you are going to tell the Lord Jesus that he doesn't know his own people go head and knock yourself out...

David said, "God chooses who he will save, not you."

Again, I say amen...
---john9346 on 4/14/19


strongaxe said, "I wrote: Do John and Isaiah have Prophetic origins? WE don't know for sure 100%"

So sir this is your world view my friend i'm only saying what your world view dictates...

strongaxe said, "How can reading ANYTHING tell you if it's true? You."

Sir, you've already prooven this what BOM and Koran so why not be genuine do the same with Scripture???

If God wrote the bible (Theopneustos) then you should have no problem with the standard you used with BOM and Koran???
---john9346 on 4/14/19


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Besides, if that were true, why would we need a Bible, if God would just write what we need on our hearts?---StrongAxe

StrongAxe
The bible was printed in 1611, long after the Lord started the church. They didnt need a bible, How do you explain this?

Well David, then show us the verses you claim Jesus said if you keep His law, THEN God will sends His Grace and Then saves you by Grace.---kathr4453

(John 14:23 & 24)Jesus replied, Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own, they belong to the Father who sent me
---David on 4/14/19


Kathr Paul writing by the Spirit of God contradicts you listen:

29For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. 30And those He predestined, He also called, those He called, He also justified, those He justified, He also glorified.
attention, "those God foreknew." not saw down through history and determine based there choice...
---john9346 on 4/14/19


Here's what's confusing about David's theory. Maybe he'll clear it up for us.

David does not believe Jesus is God. When asked, he squirms out of it and says, "Jesus is not the Father". But no one asked if Jesus was the Father, they asked, "do you believe Jesus is GOD?"

Yet he claims that the law /commandments we are to keep was Gods law that went back BEFORE the Law of Moses. And he claims Jesus is saying keep MY LAW. Are these two entirely different laws? And if he believes Jesus isn't God, what makes Jesus laws any different than Mohamed's laws? OR if Jesus laws are the same as Gods Laws before the Law of Moses, why is Jesus calling them "His" Laws/commandments .....if He's not God?
---kathr4453 on 4/14/19


Well David, then show us the verses you claim Jesus said if you keep His law, THEN God will sends His Grace and Then saves you by Grace. And Please don't peace together verses out of context using your overactive imagination wanting us to see what is not said.

We are saved David because Jesus who is GOD, LORD, was made flesh, so that He could talk our sin, and die In our place fulfilling the JUSTICE God requires of sinners. Romans 5. John 1, Ephesians 2
---kathr4453 on 4/13/19


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Didn't you hear him, ....after you keep THE LAW, God flies by seeing you do His will by keeping the Law, and WALLA God sends His Grace to you and toy are then saved by Grace.---kathr4453

Kathryn
Do you ever listen to yourself? I said what Jesus said. Making your silly rants against me, blasphemy against him.
---David on 4/13/19


David:

The problem with "the law God writes on your heart" is it's entirely subjective, and no subject to verification by others. There are very many people in this world who very sincerely believe that they know what God has written on their hearts, and will believe that sometimes even unto death (i.e. martyrdom), yet what many of them believe is inconsistent with each other (so God CAN'T possibly be inspiring all of them, because he is not the author of confusion).

All the holy wars in history have been caused by people who sincerely believed that their god told them to murder others in the name of that god.

Besides, if that were true, why would we need a Bible, if God would just write what we need on our hearts?
---StrongAxe on 4/13/19


StrongAxe
When I say the Law of God, I refer to the Law God writes in your heart, the New Covenant of Christ. Why does everyone assume I am talking about the law of Moses when I mention, the Law?

Havent the Laws Jesus mentioned to the man in (Matthew 19), always been Gods Law? If not, how could God punish Cain when he murdered Able? Why did God flood the Earth?

If Sin is the transgression of Gods Laws (1 John 3:4), How can God punish the sinner on the day of judgement, unless there are Laws which can be broken?

Kathryn
No need to get all keyed up. John was not complimenting me..he just was advocating the Truth.
---David on 4/13/19


john9346:

You wrote: But in your world view the bible isn't real

STOP SAYING THAT! I NEVER said that.

In addition, the Bereans never existed in your world view...

Again, I NEVER said that.

I wrote: Do John and Isaiah have Prophetic origins? WE don't know for sure 100%
You wrote: Sir, you don't know??? how about reading it lol

How can reading ANYTHING tell you if it's true? Only if it coincides with KNOWN TRUTH that is OUTSIDE of it. Houses are built on foundations, but the foundations CANNOT rest on any other part of the house. They must rest on something OUTSIDE the house. Muslims read the Qur'an and conclude that IS is true. How can YOU prove them wrong?
---StrongAxe on 4/13/19


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John David is not teaching Calvinism by any stretch of the imagination. He doesn't even believe Jesus is God. So your Amens are encouraging a false doctrine. You need to pay attantion to what others say rather than cherry picking one thing ....

Didn't you hear him, ....after you keep THE LAW, God flies by seeing you do His will by keeping the Law, and WALLA God sends His Grace to you and toy are then saved by Grace.

If this is Calvinism you all have never disclosed...thank you for letting us know. It's FALSE DOCTRINE you are now involved in teaching and encouraging.
---kathr4453 on 4/13/19


David,don't get excited over John's atta boy pat on the back. Calvinist's believe the false doctrine God picked your name out of a hat like a heavenly lotto...for salvation, and that folks who don't even know they are saved are saved. They use the Jacob Esau thingy concept, that before you were even born you were predestined.

However the doctrine of predestination never says this. The doctrine of predestination says that AFTER we are saved, we were predestined to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ....which I believe ....which is THE CHURCH....the CHURCH ( His Bride) was predestined , but exactly WHO and HOW MANY...we see WHOSOEVER BELIEVES TODAY ( free will) will be added To the church daily...just like it began in Acts.
---kath4453 on 4/13/19


david said, "God chooses who he will save, not you."

amen...
---john9346 on 4/12/19


strongaxe said, "That's not what I said. The Bible gives the standard for establishing truth - two or three witnesses. However, when several people all say EXACTLY the same thing, word for word, they aren't acting as independent verifiable witnesses. Rather, they are parrots, all quoting the same single source."

But in your world view the bible isn't real so what difference does it make truth is subjective not objective.

In addition, the Bereans never existed in your world view...
---john9346 on 4/12/19


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I agree, and if even ONE PERSON could have obtained such a perfect life, there would be no need for Jesus to die for our sin. In Adam ALL DIE, AND IN CHRIST shall all who believe be made alive. His very resurrection life IN YOU is what guarantees our own resurrection. It's HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS in us ...Philippians 3. Galatians 2:20-21 It's the power of HIS RESURRECTION we experience today ...those crucified with Christ and raised up together with Him a NEW CREATURE NOW.

I believe much of the 4 Gospels...not all of it , is addressing the Jews and Israel for the 1000 year reign. Matthew is NOT addressed to the Church. You have to study to show yourself approved RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH. Which means it can be WRONGLY divided.
---kathr4453 on 4/12/19


Doesn't the Word of God differentiate the difference between the 613 "statutes" and the Ten "commandments" of which the ultimate commandment is Love, as in the verb form?

Doesn't the Word of God tell of two resurrections?
---Steveng on 4/12/19


David:

Yes, one CAN (theoretically) obtain eternal life by keeping the commandments, but Paul also said that in practice, NOBODY (except Jesus) is righteous enough to be able to do so. That is why we have a different way to obtain eternal life - by grace, rather than by law. Paul even said that if we attempt to justify ourselves by keeping the law, but we offend in even one point, we are guilty of it all.

Also, when one speaks of "keeping the commandments", just which ones are we still required to keep? There are 613 of them. How many Christians keep all of them, or teach that all of them should still be kept? Do you?
---StrongAxe on 4/12/19


Did God offer Eternal life to those under the Law of Moses?
No, he didn't.
---StrongAxe on 4/10/19


StrongAxe
Notice the Lords answer to the man who asked about Eternal Life, a New Covenant teaching. When asked about Eternal Life, he was told to keep the Commandments. Jesus told the Truth, or he lied to this man. What do you believe?

(Matthew 19: 16 & 17)
Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life? Why do you ask me about what is good? Jesus replied. There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.


If your interested, This teaching is the foundation for what Paul taught in (Romans 2 & 3).
---David on 4/12/19


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I think what many miss in the OT is followed up in Hebrews 3-4. That they were preached the Gospel like we were. Entering the Land, the PROMISE LAND could only be entered BY FAITH, not by keepin the law. Joshua is a type of Christ who goes before, and we follow. Crossing the Jordan represents the CROSS, where we leave behind the old, and enter the new. Egypt represents the world, The Promise land is a type of Heaven. It so parallels Ephesians. In the NT Christ is OUR LAND, we ENTER into Christ....we are IN CHRIST and when we do we ENTER HIS REST....

Hebrews 3-4 back this up. But you have to be heavenly minded to grasp and understand it.
---kathr4453 on 4/11/19


David:

You wrote: But the question is...what is the Law of God? (Rhetorical Question)

No. It is NOT a rhetorical question at all, because there are many people who say that we must obey the law of God, and in order to do so, it is VITAL that we know exactly what that law IS, in order to obey it. It's impossible to obey laws (e.g. other than laws of physics) if you don't know what they are. For example, it's vital for Christians to know just which parts of the OT law they are required to obey, and which ones they are exempt from (and there is much disagreement on this).

Did God offer Eternal life to those under the Law of Moses?

No, he didn't.
---StrongAxe on 4/10/19


Paul says we are not under The Law (i.e. The Law of Moses, not the Law of God. The two are NOT the same---StrongAxe on 4/6/19

Strongaxe
Sorry brother, missed your comment. Two different covenants...I agree.
But the question is...what is the Law of God? (Rhetorical Question)

Yes or No
Did God offer Eternal life to those under the Law of Moses? I ask, to show you something many miss, in the Lords Gospel.
---David on 4/10/19


Melody:

I am not disagreeing with that. What I AM asking you is: just WHICH commandments are those, specifically? Which of the 613 commandments in the Old Testament are we required to keep, and which ones are we not required to keep? And how can YOU tell the difference?
---StrongAxe on 4/9/19


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Axe:

Please read directly from GOD'S WORD (KJV) what THE LORD said about it: "If you love ME, keep MY COMMANDMENTS" - why asking me, when the right answer is in The Bible? - you'll find out specifically which are they . . . and let's be blessed by THE LORD GUIDANCE in our life THE TRUE SOURCE of all blessings - right?
---Melody on 4/9/19


Melody:

I'm not making an issue of it (as SDA do), because, as I said, I am one of those who, as Paul said, "consider all days equally holy", and I believe, as Paul did, "that each should be persuaded in his own mind". I was just pointing out that the Sabbath Commandment is one of the things that Christians disagree about.

Again, I ask, when you talk about obeying "those Laws that THE LORD gave to man", just which laws, specifically, do you mean, because there are a lot of different laws God gave to men, at a lot of different times, and in a lot of different places.
---StrongAxe on 4/9/19


Axe:

When you read The Scriptures, you need to have the discernment (that only comes from GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT to understand the meaning) . . . if I sent you those verses of Scriptures is for you to accept what THE LORD thinks of The Sabbath . . . it's useless, if after reading that, you still keep on making an issue about the day of worshipping: Is THE LORD supposed to be worshiped only one day or another? - absolutely not! - if I'm going to Church on Sunday or Saturday or Wednesday - THE LORD is not going to condemned me for that - for in fact - HE looks at our hearts: For what value would it be, if I went into certain 'special days' but my Christian living was not in true commitment to THE LORD? - just a fallacy - a loss a hypocrisy!
---Melody on 4/8/19


Samuelbb7:

I am NOT SDA. Unlike SDA, I believe Paul when he said "some treat all days equally holy. Let each be persuaded in his own mind."


Melody:

Just what "Definition" of the Sabbath is that? Genesis 2:2-3: God rested on the seventh day. All days in Genesis began at sunset. Even today, we call the seventh day Saturday and the first Sunday. Jews observed the Sabbath since the beginning, and always from sunset Friday night until sunset Saturday night. Yet somehow, the Christian church now seems to have he idea that Sunday is the sabbath. Why is that? There is absolutely nothing in scripture that says it ever moved.

None of the scriptures you quoted said anything about WHICH day the Sabbath is.
---StrongAxe on 4/8/19


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Axe:

Please read about The Sabbath Day that have been in such debate here - instead of reading GOD'S WORD and accept and believe what THE LORD'S OWN WORD gives the definition of it!

Luke 14:3: THE LORD spoke unto the lawyers and Pharisees saying: Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath day?".

And keep on reading going back to Luke 6:9, Luke 11:44,45, Luke 13: 14:6 and Matthew 12:10 thru 13.

In fact, all days are to be honored and into worshipping THE LORD in SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH and as we live our daily lives in commitment unto HIM . . . may under HIS MERCY AND GRACE we strive for and for THE LORD to set us free from our own errors!
---Melody on 4/7/19


Strong Ax you are starting to sound like a Seventh day Adventist. Which I am happy to be one.

There are many moral laws in the Bible. The Ten are their basis. They are to be followed for love leads to doing right.

But we are no longer in the country of Israel and we are in the New Covenant. So yes there are laws to be kept. But not all of the Old Testament is part of the New Covenant.

GOD bless and keep you and yours.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/7/19


Melody:

And just which laws are those, exactly? Can you be specific?

He gave Moses 10 Commandments. Most Christians are OK with 9, but the Sabbath one causes much contention. Sabbatarians correctly say the Sabbath begins at sunset Friday and ends at sunset Saturday, and nowhere in OT or NT changed this. The Church gathered on Sunday since the earliest time, but this was NOT "The Sabbath". Languages other than English often include these 2 as different days.

God gave Moses 613 commandments total, yet most Christians ignore many of them (e.g. not eating pork, not shaving, not wearing blended fabrics, etc.) These were not man-made laws, yet Paul said we are no longer under the Law, so we aren't obligated to obey them.
---StrongAxe on 4/7/19


So what are you suggesting Melody? Are you for blowing up abortion clinics, and murdering the DR's who perform abortions? Are you for lynching sodomites? EXACTLY how are you going to DISOBEY the laws?

We are here to preach the Gospel of salvation before the WRATH OF GOD comes on this world. We were NEVER asked to be that wrath or take that wrath into our own hands. All these evils were around when Paul Peter James were alive...AND NOT ONE OF THEM SHOWED OR PREACHED TO WAR AGAINST EVIL, .....we are told to put on the whole ARMOUR of God to protect us while we are in this evil world.

You aren't going to clean up this world Melody...aka RESTORATION THEOLOGY...a doctrine straight from hell.
---kathr4453 on 4/7/19


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Axe:

The Laws that we should obey are those Laws that THE LORD gave to man for our own survival and benefits and for the blessing of the nation - but not the ones "Man-made" ones: Are we (if we are truly Christians and ruled by GOD'S SPIRIT) - be obeying the depraved laws that are man-made under wickedness like we have now - as those pro abortion, drugs, homo sexuality, etcetera??? - Absolutely NOT!!! - "Decide today WHOM you are going to serve" says THE LORD!!!
---Melody on 4/6/19


David:

Paul says we are not under The Law (i.e. The Law of Moses, not the Law of God. The two are NOT the same):
Romans 6:14: For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Both Jesus and Paul said we should obey man-made laws:

Jesus said render unto Caesar what is Caesar's (Matthew 22:1, Mark 12:17, Luke 20:25)

Romans 13: Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
---StrongAxe on 4/6/19


David:

The Laws were created by THE LORD HIMSELF, and is true that from the very beginning - which country has been totally fulfilling them? - none . . . but now in these 'last times' that we are living - the corruption and trampling upon GOD'S LAWS have become the most degrading and in cynical and open rebellion against THE LORD GOD - and that's the reason that we are seeing the most unbelievable and distorted views of them, and of course: How can a country rely on men's decisions for The Laws to be enforced - when many are under their own fallen and sinful discernment to apply them, and into driving humanity to fulfill their own under wickedness desires and the most abominable one: The Sodomite one under GOD'S JUDGMENT!
---Melody on 4/6/19


Steven
Which is greater, The Laws of God, or The Laws of Man? Lets look at the duration of punishment for both. The most time given for breaking the Law of man, is a life sentence. The most time you can get for breaking Gods Law, is an Eternal sentence. Obviously, Gods Law must be greater than mans Law.

Why do I point this out?
Because the majority of Churches, says we are not under Gods Law, which is the greater of the two. So why would mankind find it necessary to keep Mans Law, the lesser of the two?

I believe what we are beginning to see in Law enforcement, is the effects caused by these Church teachings.
---David on 4/6/19


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john9346:

That's not what I said. The Bible gives the standard for establishing truth - two or three witnesses. However, when several people all say EXACTLY the same thing, word for word, they aren't acting as independent verifiable witnesses. Rather, they are parrots, all quoting the same single source.

Instead of taking what such people take for granted, investigate what they said for yourself. The Bereans didn't accept anything they were told at face value. They "searched the scriptures daily to see if these things were true" - i.e. they did their own independent research. Those sites complain about the Rollins Memo - so why not actually research what that is for yourself, rather than just parroting their propaganda?
---StrongAxe on 4/5/19


Folks
You all must consider the source of information. If we watch Fox news we are going to get conservative biased reporting.

If we watch ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN and some others we are going to get liberal biased reporting.

On Fox, you never hear anything positive about liberals. On ABC, NBC, CNN, etc...you never hear anything positive about conservatives
You folks really need to watch both sides, for they both have good ideas.

When we focus on the negative instead of the positive, we make enemies. When we focus on the positive, instead of the negative we make friends.
---David on 4/5/19


strongaxe said, "That EXACT phrase appears on several right-wing web sites. Because they use the same exact words, they all likely came from one source."

So because it appears on a conservative website that means it isn't true???

If appeared on several Left Wing Websites does that mean it is true???

So, truth is based upon party loyalty lol
while!
---john9346 on 4/5/19


NurseRobert:

Try googling the exact phrase in the first sentence above, in quotes, and you will see several alt-right websites that all use exactly the same sentence, so they're obviously getting their information from a single source.
---StrongAxe on 4/5/19


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Where are you getting your information?
---NurseRobert on 4/4/19


How about a little context, before making broad accusations like that?

That EXACT phrase appears on several right-wing web sites. Because they use the same exact words, they all likely came from one source.

They talks about the "Rollins memo". If you actually read about that, it talks about "declination and diversion", instead of prosecuting the 15 low-level non-violent crimes, diverting the cases to programs like community service. This was tried in juvenile court, resulting in 60% fewer arraignments WITHOUT any increase in crime.

If prosecutors don't have to waste their time with minor crimes, they can concentrate on major ones, without clogging up the courts for years.
---StrongAxe on 4/4/19


"Boston orders police to stop arresting criminals for breaking and entering, destruction of property or shoplifting. I don't know exactly what is meant by "stop arresting", are those things considered a crime or not. If so, there must be an arrest, indictment, and prosecution. Or it could be the city is simply looking to save money, and rather than bearing the cost, they are looking to make the citizen more 'protection minded' as concerning intrusive theft of property.
---josef on 4/4/19


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