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I was saved at a Morris Cerullo Crusade in Hartford, CT in 1978 or 79 at the Hartford Civic Center. Does anyone know how can find any info. on the dates, as I was saved there, and am seeking my Salvation date? Thanks,

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Melody,

1) The CHURCH for one will be judged at the Judgement seat of Christ....at the FIRST RESURRECTION. We will be given rewards, or loss of rewards. NO one saved during this CHURCH AGE will face the second death or the Great White Throne Judgement.

2) The thief was with Jesus before Jesus was raised from the dead. In Luke, you will see Abraham's bosom / Paradise where the OT saved were, BELOW were the LOST. When Jesus rose from the dead He lead Captivity captive and took all those OT saints NOW MADE PERFECT to Heaven ...where the veil was rent...and the way into the HOLY OF HOLIES was opened.

Please study to show yourself approved before misleading others with your snarky comments.
---kathr4453 on 4/18/19


Kathryn:

Unbelievable where you are and you don't want to recognize it: Again in your own proud self - righteousness, you are coming against THE LORD'S OWN WORDS and that by your own sayings: Is not what you said, but what THE LORD said: "The thief was not going to wait to be with THE LORD in Paradise and that from THE LORD'S OWN WORDS - not your own:

"Take your own dictatorial words' and apply them to yourself: Your daring to say that: "You are the one that shouldn't be here" under your own offensive manner against others and your twisted way of seeing The Gospel and your egotistical belief that you are here above all others - even against what it's proved that comes from GOD'S WORD!
---Melody on 4/18/19


David, here the thing, the Blood of Jesus washes away our sin, however the identification with Jeuss in death and resurrection life does away with the OLD MAN. That's the part you seem to be missing. There is therefore now no condemnation to those IN CHRIST who walk after the Spirit, AND clearly says we are no longer in the flesh BUT THE SPIRIT if we are CHRISTS.

Melody, NO ONE came into the presence of God until AFTER Jesus rose from the dead. There are different levels of Heaven...Paul called it the 3rd heaven. You shouldn't talk at all Melody. OT Saints were in Paradise or Abrahams Bosom and MOVED to the Highest Heaven after Jesus Rose from the Dead. Hebrews 12.
---kathr4453 on 4/18/19


Kathryn - you said to David: "I guarantee (and under your own error - you are guaranteeing) - you will be taken to a place far above Paradise - right into THE PRESENCE OF GOD - right into The Kingdom of HIS SON JESUS CHRIST" - really?

Well - wanted or not to admit your error and to defeat your own self righteousness that even contradict THE LORD'S OWN WORDS - read the next and stop your un-Christian and constant quarrelling that doesn't pertain to someone claiming to be Christian!

THE LORD JESUS CHRIST said to the thief at the cross after he recognized THE LORD as SAVIOR AND LORD: "Today you shall be with ME in Paradise" - and who are you to change even GOD'S WORDS?
---Melody on 4/18/19


Kathryn
Your last post was written from the heart, and I was touched. We both believe in Christ, but see the benefit of his sacrifice in different ways.

I see his sacrifice much like the animal sacrifice. Like the animal sacrifice, a means for atonement and forgiveness of sin, but with one difference. His Blood.

The blood of animals was used for cleansing the external, whereas the Blood of Christ is used to cleanse us internally. Which is what Jesus was referring to in (Matthew 23:25 & 26). This internal cleansing is accomplished through the confession of sin.(1 John 1:9).

But words are only words, my words against your words. But when we act upon Gods word,...then we will come to know the Truth. (Matthew 7:24)
---David on 4/18/19




Then David, I highly recommend you do just that....confess that you are a sinner ...let the Lord know you cannot save yourself, that only through Jesus Christ who died for our sin can take away sin. Then totally surrender your life to the Lord, being Crucified with Christ...be SET FREE FROM SIN, and walk in the NEWNESS of the risen Christ IN YOU. PUT ON CHRIST.

When you have done this, and find you are a NEW CREATURE IN CHRIST created in righteousness and Holiness...yes HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS and HOLINESS, I guarantee you will be taken to a place far above paradise...right into the very presence of God ...translated out of this present evil world right into the Kingdom of His Son Jeuss Christ.

Hope you make it David.
---kathr4453 on 4/17/19


David, I found the right path many ago. It's so arrogant and presumptuous of you to accuse Christians of being on the wrong path, when you haven't found it yourself. I'm very happy and blessed with my walk with the Lord.

I'm going to continue on the path I've been on for 60+ years now. I just find your path has a stumbling stone and rock of offense the Pharisees tripped and fell upon.

There's nothing more you can do or say David. I know whom I believe and He is able to KEEP all that I have committed unto Him against that day.

Now will you please move along?
---kat4453 on 4/17/19


Kathryn
You see anyone who tries to lead you to the right path, as your enemy. I ask you to repent, not because I see you as an evil person, but so that through repentance, you will learn the Truth.

You think I am a Liar, a false teacher. You believe this simply because I do not believe as you believe. Repentance is the very foundation of a life in Christ, but many like to argue definition rather than application.

Confession of sin is paramount to repentance. Daily Confession of sin, keeps you into the light of God, so you can change course. It takes only a few minutes. Try it, see what God does, and then we can have a meaningful discussion.
---David on 4/17/19


Melody, your word are empty words blowing in the wind, and not grounded in truth. Yes, they will fall by the wayside, but the Word of the Lord will endure FOREVER.

Only Satan would try to shame someone who is defending the Gospel of Grace.

I've been translated out of this world Into to the Kingdom of His Beloved Son...Colossians 1:13. So not sure what kingdom you are talking about.

You're in the wrong Kingdom Melody. Railing against sodomites IS NOT The Gospel of GRACE either....where you have failed miserably. The only hatefulness I see here is coming from you....
---kathr4453 on 4/17/19


Melody, let's make clear YOU are a false teacher, and because of that your words here are pretentious and EMPTY, that I CANT HEAR YOU!

To encourage Christians that we will be raised at the second resurrection judgement to have our WORKS judged is a lie from HELL.

And I've NEVER heard of any Baptist Church preach such things. If you don't mean that...THEN TELL DAVID HE IS WRONG, rather than humor in his false doctrine you encourage.
---kat4453 on 4/17/19




Kathryn:

There you go again with your false accusations (it's a waste of time to argue with someone like you) - you cannot prove your offensive words against my writings - for everything that I have shared here are Biblical inspired - and your own antagonist problem you are putting them on others that share GOD'S WORD - your words are not only those whom a Christian won't use against others, but they openly tell that even while contradicting GOD'S WORD - your 'ego' has to demand the priority: THE LORD IS MY JUDGE - and your judging are putting where they belong - away and in the corner! - remember 'man's kingdom' doesn't last long! :-) = "To the fool, respond likewise" . . .
---Melody on 4/16/19


Kathryn:

There you go again with your false accusations (it's a waste of time to argue with someone like you) - you cannot prove your offensive words against my writings - for everything that I have shared here are Biblical inspired - and your own antagonist problem you are putting them on others that share GOD'S WORD - your words are not only those whom a Christian won't use against others, but it openly tell that even while contradicting GOD'S WORD - your 'ego' is demanding the priority - what a foolishness of someone that talks so much about GOD'S GRACE!

THE LORD IS MY JUDGE - and your accusations are putting where they belong - away and in the corner - remember "man's kingdom doesn't last long - and disappear." :-)
---Melody on 4/16/19


David, you need to get over yourself. Not everything is about YOU. We're not discussing YOU. We're discussing Salvation by GRACE through FAITH. You are bullying those who believe differently as you, and them by some delusion of grandeur step into the Light of the Holy Spirit and make things about YOU, and how YOU are right and how YOU need to inspect someone's faith. You've made everything about YOU. This is what BULLIES DO.

I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Grace .....and no one needs YOU in any way shape or form. You are a false teacher, jumping around here and there mixing all sorts of single verses and trying to make them all fit into your cherry picked doctrine.
---kathr4453 on 4/16/19


Jesus is GOD. I by the Holy Spirit say Jesus is LORD GOD ALMIGHTY. I believe Jesus died for my sin, and I've been REDEEMED by the Blood of Jesus once and for all. I am justified by BY FAITH ALONE.

The Gospel according to the MYSTERY was given to Paul to preach. Jesus did not preach the Gospel according to the MYSTERY, but only touched upon it in John 17.

You have openly rejected everything concerning the Gospel according to the MYSTERY including the Church being Judged at the judgement seat of Christ.

Our judgement will be for rewards, or loss of rewards, not if we are saved or lost. Your gospel is the one Paul said is ACCURSED, or maybe he said those who preach your false gospel are accursed. Galatians 1:1-7
---kathr4453 on 4/16/19


Kathryn:
You are talking about 'bullying' and who is the one that from the very beginning has been doing it - if not you?---Melody on 4/15/19


Thank you Melody.
Kathryn calling me the Bully definitely got a, What?? Out of me.
The Truth hurts, and I just think she was wounded by it. So in her eyes she sees me as the Bully.
---David on 4/16/19


David is the BULLY, And you are a bully too Melody. You've bullied just about everyone here online with your holier than thou posts. Seeing you are not defending the Gospel of Grace, shows you are not grounded in anything , but ONLY KNOW HOW to rail against the Catholic , Orthodox Mekalites ( sorry Monk...SP) but when asked to be specific YOU CANT. Here I am being very specific as to why I disagree with David. I have every right according to scripture TO REBUKE YOU BOTH WITHOUT APOLOGY.

Thank you for finally showing your hand as to your beliefs ...remember the Second resurrection Judgement will be no picnic you plan to attend, the one you have encouraged David is for Christians...YIKES. With friends like you who needs enemies.
---kathr4453 on 4/16/19


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Kathryn:

What a shame! . . . have you not realized that by the way you come against others, you are giving a wrong testimony of what a Christian is? (who's going to believe a change of heart in you?).

You are talking about 'bullying' and who is the one that from the very beginning has been doing it - if not you? - and in a constant offensive way . . . hope that you listen to THE LORD into changing- what's the use with sharing about the many years of salvation that you have - if your offensive words totally contradict the way a Christian should relate to others? - The Bible talks about it - willing to accept THE LORD'S ADMONITIONS? - Oh I know - you'll come against me, but it doesn't matter, you need to hear about it!
---Melody on 4/15/19


David, I'm sorry folks here have to put up with your bullying. So unchristlike. My testimony is I was saved BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH, a GIft from God, therefore I cannot boast of saving myself. I was not saved or justified by keeping the law. I am crucified with Christ and raised up together with Him a New Creature.

No matter how many times I have said this you refuse to listen or accept. I ENTERED HIS REST.

I heard the Gospel OF GRACE and I was CALLED. I answered that CALL.
I heard the KNOCK and opened the door and The Father Son and Holy Spirit came in unto me. Oh what a day that was. I will never forget it. And it's only gotten better every day. Going now on 60 years.....
---kathr4453 on 4/15/19


David you also seem to be throwing out chum...going on some fishing expedition by making up things that happened to others and trying to apply to me. So and so did this or that..bla bla bla. Not once did I ever say I was saved at a Billy Graham Crusade. Your overactive imagination is humorous.

Many think they are saved by keeping the law....wrong too.

David just accept the fact that YOU are not the Holy Grail of absolute TRUTH, and no one needs to go through YOUR INSPECTION to see if they are saved.

Now BACK OFF. STEP BACK. MOVE ON.
---kat453 on 4/15/19


David rejects these scriptures....so John I DO NOT NEED TO LISTEN TO HIM. I LISTEN TO GOD.---kathr4453

......And still, no testimony to prove me wrong. Why? It is because your testimony would prove me right. Listen to your own testimony, Kathryn.

I am not singling you out,....millions of people have a testimony which involve being saved by their works. They claim, like you, I did this or I did that...and I was saved. And then blindly, make the claim they were saved by Gods Grace.

Kathryn, how many times have you heard an evangelist, like Billy Graham, ask folks to come forward to make their decision?
Grace...is Gods decision!! If you listen to your own testimony, you will see if was works or Grace that saved you.
---David on 4/15/19


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I totally agree with these verses, but these verses are not teaching Calvinism.

Romans 8:29-30

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
---kath453 on 4/15/19


Galatians 5: 1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law, ye are fallen from grace.

5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but faith which worketh by love.

9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

David rejects these scriptures....so John I DO NOT NEED TO LISTEN TO HIM. I LISTEN TO GOD.
---kathr4453 on 4/14/19


Are all the people before Jesus' birth who did the will of God, but never knew Jesus, are going to suffer in hell for ever?
---Steveng on 4/14/19


Kathr:

listen to what David is saying his statement is directly in line with Scripture (Rom 8:29-30, Jn 6:37-45, 64-65, 17:1-9)

Hey, if you are going to tell the Lord Jesus that he doesn't know his own people go head and knock yourself out...

David said, "God chooses who he will save, not you."

Again, I say amen...
---john9346 on 4/14/19


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I've posted my testimony here for nearly 15 years. 852 people so far have been blessed by it. If you weren't here, that's your loss. --kathr4453

Kathryn
Your unwillingness to give your testimony, simply proves my point, your testimony involves Works. If this were not true, you would have given it by now. And Everyone, but you, realizes that.

And Kathryn, just because someone agrees with you, that doesnt make it True. Jim Jones boasted 25,000 followers.
---David on 4/14/19


How many times have I shown Hebrews 11 listing those who were saved BY FAITH before Jesus was crucified? They put their faith in the PROMISED REDEEMER who would come to take away sin. Before the Cross, they offered a blood sacrifice that covered their sin UNTIL the fullness of time came. Even Job said I KNOW THAT MY REDEEMER LIVETH and He shall standeth at the last days upon the earth...Job 19:25 -26 Even Job believed in the promised REDEEMER and the resurrection of the righteous.

NOW on this side of the Cross, Every day souls are saved who believe in The death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Now believing in the Death and resurrection certainly include WHY Jesus came, died and rose again. David may not know that.
---kathr4453 on 4/14/19


David, please show that I used the exact words you said I said? You claim to keep the law but break it every time you address me. Bearing false witness, lying etc.

I'm nor a Calvinist David, so don't twist and put words in my mouth I NEVER said just so you can WHAT??? We see through your tactics. Shame on you.

And like always you love to bear false witness just to goad me into WHAT?

I've posted my testimony here for nearly 15 years. 852 people so far have been blessed by it. If you weren't here, that's your loss.

No one gives their testimony so that YOU can pick apart....that's not why anyone gives their testimony. We give it to GLORIFY GOD, not humor you.
---kathr4453 on 4/13/19


I've Already shared my testimony and out of my testimony I preach THAT very testimony of CHRIST CRUCIFIED. ---kathr4453

Kathryn
You were saved when Jesus was crucified? Jesus was crucified long before you were born. Kinda Sounds a little like Calvinism, since you too, were saved before you were born.

Sounds interesting, did your church branch off from one of the ones John Calvin founded? What do you call your religion?
---David on 4/13/19


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David, I KNOW I HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. I KNOW THE LORD.

I've Already shared my testimony and out of my testimony I preach THAT very testimony of CHRIST CRUCIFIED.

You find the preaching of the Cross foolishness. Scripture says you are lost.
---kathr4453 on 4/13/19


Kathryn
You argue about what I say, and yet when I give you a means to prove me wrong, you dont take it. The Truth is in your testimony. Just give us your testimony, and then we can see if you did something to be saved. But my hope is, you will see it.

Many folks, like you, confuse the receiving of the Holy Spirit with salvation. They believe they are saved, and then create a false narrative, using Pauls epistles as proof of their salvation.

If you are arguing with someone about whether a fence, surrounding a pasture, is electrified, how do you win the argument? Touch the fence Kathryn...touch the fence.
---David on 4/13/19


John David is not teaching Calvinism by any stretch of the imagination. He doesn't even believe Jesus is God. So your Amens are encouraging a false doctrine. You need to pay attantion to what others say rather than cherry picking one thing ....

Didn't you hear him, ....after you keep THE LAW, God flies by seeing you do His will by keeping the Law, and WALLA God sends His Grace to you and toy are then saved by Grace.

If this is Calvinism you all have never disclosed...thank you for letting us know. It's FALSE DOCTRINE you are now involved in teaching and encouraging. YIKES
---kathr4453 on 4/13/19


Don't get too excited David over John's atta boy pat on the back. Calvinist's believe the false doctrine that you name picked out of a hat like a heavenly lotto...for salvation, and that folks who don't even know they are saved are saved. They use the Jacob Esau thingy concept, that before you were even born you were predestined.

However the doctrine of predestination never says this. The doctrine of predestination says that AFTER we are saved, we were predestined to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ....which I believe ....which is THE CHURCH....the CHURCH ( His Bride) was predestined , but exactly WHO and HOW MANY...we see WHOSOEVER BELIEVES TODAY ( free will) will be added To the church daily...just like it began in Acts.
---kath4453 on 4/13/19


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david said, "
God chooses who he will save, not you."

amen yes he does forever praise the God of Scripture...

---john9346 on 4/12/19


CORRECTION...Christ IN YOU, THE HOPE OF GLORY. We the Body of Christ, the Church are promised to be Glorified together with Christ. This is the HIGH CALLING OF GOD IN CHRIST. Philippians 3:14 . This HIGH CALLING was touched upon in Jesus prayer in John 17 before Jesus went to the CROSS, and what was that mystery revealed to Paul that was not discussed in the 4 Gospels other than its initial introduction in John 17. The CHURCH was Chosen IN HIM ( the idea) before the foundation of the world.

Here is what those who are IN HIM and HE IN YOU live by.....Galatians 2:20-21.

This is the dispensation and GOSPEL we are called to TODAY. The POST resurrection Gospel.

And Romans 2:16 David is clearly stated after your verses.
---kathr4453 on 4/12/19


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You are not coming against me, but against THE TRUTH from GOD'S WORD and as your choice: "Whatever a man sows, that, he shall reap":\\

You think you're coming against ME?

Remember what you said when the sky falls on you.

BTW, you took that verse out of context--a commonly used trick of yours.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/12/19


Melody, I'm so convicted and frightened by your words that I'm just going to have to lie down and take a nap.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/13/19


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David, you can cut the condescending attitude. I agree with RichardC verses here, and that all have sinned and fallen short of the GLORY of God. Maybe you need a lesson in the definition of GLORY. If you need help with that I'll be more than happy to explain it to you. CHRIST ON YOU THE HOPE OF GLORY....is the Gospel concerning the CHURCH, AKA HIS BODY.
---kathr4453 on 4/12/19


Romans 3:10 - There is none righteous, no, not one

Romans 3:11 - There is none who understands: There is none who seek after God,

Romans 3:12 - They have all turned aside: They have together become unprofitable, There is none who does good, no, not one,
---RichardC on 4/11/19


Cluny:

You are not coming against me, but against THE TRUTH from GOD'S WORD and as your choice: "Whatever a man sows, that, he shall reap":

"A fool's lips enter into contention, and his mouth calls for strokes".

"A fool's mouth is his destruction, and his lips are the snare of the soul". Proverbs 18: 6,7

The foolishness of man perverts his way, and his heart frets against THE LORD".

"A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaks lies, shall not escape".

"A false witness, shall not be unpunished, and he that speaks lies, shall perish". Proverbs 19: 3,5,9
---Melody on 4/12/19


David, I hate to say this, but from all that you have written over the months, it appears you are working very hard in hopes to be chosen for salvation.---kathr4453

Kathryn
Peter said, Paul was hard for some folks, to understand. Tell me, Which part of the Passage below are you having trouble with? Maybe I can help you.

Romans 2:6 & 7)
God will repay each person according to what they have done. To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.
---David on 4/12/19


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\\there's no other way for salvation and that by ourselves seeking GOD, 'our good deeds are like dirty rags to a HOLY GOD'?\\

That includes your own, Melody, and what you post here.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/11/19


David:

Why is so difficult to understand how can we as sinners and after recognizing first of all that without THE LORD - there's no other way for salvation and that by ourselves seeking GOD, 'our good deeds are like dirty rags to a HOLY GOD'? - when the soul believes (and that by THE HOLY SPIRIT working in the heart) - repentance comes and then - the sinner in his/her own way of communication, would go to THE LORD and ask for salvation and for the forgiveness of one's sins - this is what THE LORD expects from every sinner - repentance first and then into asking THE LORD into our hearts to impart salvation and the cleansing of our sins!
---Melody on 4/11/19


please read Hebrews 11 concerning FAITH and how faith is our acting upon what God first said. James even says faith without works AKA obedience of faith, or action resulting in faith.

David you cannot try to win God's Grace.....because the Grace of God that brings salvation...yes that GRACE , has been made known to all. ****TITUS 2:11 ******THIS GRACE says If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart God raised Him from the dead thou shall be SAVED. ROMANS 10:9-10.

David's problem here could be that he doesn't believe Jesus is GOD. Jesus is LORD. LORD Means GOD.

Those who try to make it more complicated or make some cult out of it HATE THE SIMPLICITY of Salvation.
---kathr4453 on 4/11/19


David, I hate to say this, but from all that you have written over the months, it appears you are working very hard in hopes to be chosen for salvation. It simply does not work that way.

All who receive Jesus Christ are called His Chosen. Don't confuse the Jacob and Esau issue of chosen. Jacob wasn't chosen to be saved, but chosen between he and his twin brother to receive the blessings given to Abraham. And Esau was chosen to SERVE Jacob. Nothing about being chosen for heaven or hell.
---kath4453 on 4/11/19


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Okay, you dont believe me. I understand. Let me prove it to you.

Each of you who dont believe me, give us your testimony, without telling us you did something the day you were saved. Cant do it? If you cant do it, it should be obvious, you saved yourselves when you acted.

God chooses who he will save, not you.
---David on 4/11/19


Melody, do you ever take the advice you so freely dish out to others?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/10/19


No, you are not saved by doing the will of God. Doing the will of God brings us the Grace of God (John 14:21)...and by Grace, you are saved.
---David on 4/10/19

This is absolutely a lie. There are no scriptures stating this either. We are saved through the cross, aka the finished works of Christ, AKA GRACE. WE ARE SAVED BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH.

Stating you are doing Gods will to get Gods attention thereby He brings Grace to you, is saving yourself.

No one can do the will of God in their unsaved lost nature....EXCEPT HIS WILL TO BELIEVE ON HIS SON.
---kathr4453 on 4/10/19


David:

Why did THE LORD say:
"Repent and be saved"? . . . HE gave us the discernment put in our hearts of what true repentance is, and we can come to THE LORD and express it in different ways: And how would a sinner know what repenting of our sins and accepting GOD'S GIFT OF SALVATION through our LORD JESUS CHRIST is but by THE LORD giving us the knowledge to THE ONLY WAY OF SALVATION and that by reading, hearing GOD'S WORD, acknowledging IT, and then to call upon THE NAME OF THE LORD . . . and in our own words (in sincerity of heart) repent before HIM and ask HIM to come into our hearts and save us: "Repent and be saved" - without repentance - no one can be saved!
---Melody on 4/10/19


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Has it occurred to anyone but me that "asking Jesus into your heart" whether or not as "personal Savior" (neither of which is in the Bible) is still a work that YOU do?

In case you've not heard, we are not saved by works.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/10/19


david said, "No, you can not save yourself by reading a bible and asking the Lord into your heart."

This is utterly false the Lord has saw fit to save many by just reading his Word the Scriptures one such was Charles Spurgeon and Jonathan Edwards...
---john9346 on 4/10/19


Martin Luther by himself with the Bible was reading Romans and by the Power the Holy Spirit with the Word of God...living and powerful stronger than a two edge sword piercing between soul and spirit joint and marrow broke through explaining justification by FAITH ALONE.

Absolutely God has the POWER TO SAVE through HIS WORD.

Does David think he has to be there to explain his theory? YIKES
---kathr4453 on 4/10/19


Question #1: Does that mean that when a person living alone in the wilderness, finds a bible, reads it, and asks the Lord into his heart, is NOT saved? Steveng

No, you can not save yourself by reading a bible and asking the Lord into your heart.

Question #2: Does it mean that a person who does the will of God, not knowing it's the will of God, will NOT have eternal life?Steveng

No, you are not saved by doing the will of God. Doing the will of God brings us the Grace of God (John 14:21)...and by Grace, you are saved.
---David on 4/10/19


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Cluny:

Enough is enough - whatever your problem - resolve it yourself!!! - your accusatory words are returning to you until you recognize where you are . . . and yes!!! - "I accepted THE LORD as my Personal SAVIOR and Amen for that - now and forever!!!:-))) . . . as for you: "Repent and be saved" and then your critical and antagonism spirit will disappear! = Proverbs 22:10
---Melody on 4/10/19


Accept is to RECEIVE, John 1:12 that IS in scripture.

Salvation is a personal thing. Jesus didn't come to save Churches or Nations, but INDIVIDUALS. God accepted Abel's sacrifice and rejected Cain's . Our INDIVIDUAL names are written in the Lamb's book of life. If YOU ( personal) believe in YOUR HEART( personal) YOU will be saved...( PERSONAL). Even our rewards are individual.

The Mystery is CHRIST IN YOU, THE HOPE OF GLORY. So for Christ to be IN YOU, not on you or above or below or around you...then Rev 3:20 says IF ANY MAN, ( not any church or group) He knocks at the door, and if we ( individually open the door God will COME IN UNTO YOU....

It's very telling if one has an argument against that.
---kathr4453 on 4/10/19


Melody, NOWHERE does the Bible say that baptism is a public testimony.

I've discussed this already in the thread "Baptism Gone Wrong."

NOWHERE does the Bible say "accept Christ" or "personal savior."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/9/19


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Question #1: Does that mean that when a person living alone in the wilderness, finds a bible, reads it, and asks the Lord into his heart, is NOT saved? \\

Such a person will never find that in the Bible, because it's not in there.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/9/19


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David, the Eunich asked about Isaiah 53, the prophecy concerning Jesus Christ. Philip explained the prophecy and with doing so he shared the Gospel with the Eunich, the Eunich believing Just as Romans 10 clearly say. How shall the year without a preacher. Philip preached Jesus death and resurrection, and the Eunich belief in Jesus, just as we see Cornelius were saved....GODS WAY OF SAVING. Not yours.

You have no right to judge anothers relationship with the Lord.
---kathr4453 on 4/9/19


Question #1: Does that mean that when a person living alone in the wilderness, finds a bible, reads it, and asks the Lord into his heart, is NOT saved?

Question #2: Does it mean that a person who does the will of God, not knowing it's the will of God, will NOT have eternal life?

Don't be complicated with your answers. Just answer "yes" or "no" to Question #1 and Question #2.
---Steveng on 4/9/19


Actually his way is trying to save yourself.---kathr4453

Kathryn
Folks are always making this claim, and yet all one needs to do is listen to their own testimony, to discover they are the ones who believe salvation through works.

How many testimonies have you heard like this? They claim they were saved after baptism, after saying the Sinners Prayer, or after accepting Jesus into their hearts. In each case, they believe they are saved, after they did something. It may not be in their teachings, but it is in their testimonies.

In (Acts 8:27-40), a Eunuch does everything Phillip tells him to do. Did Phillip tell the Eunuch he was saved? Wouldnt he have been told he was saved, in most churches today?
---David on 4/9/19


david said, "Would you have been saved if you had not taken this action? If not, you saved yourself by your actions."

David, what he is describing by getting on his knees was a result (outward expression) of what the Lord was doing inside of him... Not that he saved himself the action is a result of not because of...

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---john9346 on 4/9/19


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Samuel, praise God for your testimony. Don't let the devil put doubt in your mind. Such an evil thing to do. You obeyed through FAITH, and FAITH / believing is not saving yourself. The only way someone can save themself is if they shed their own sinless blood. That's impossible. You know you are saved. David is not God who sees your heart. Actually his way is trying to save yourself.
---kathr4453 on 4/8/19


\\later on I got baptized by immersion as a public testimony of accepting THE LORD as my own Personal SAVIOR\\

Melody, why do you believe things that are nowhere in the Bible?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/8/19


THE LORD knows exactly the date and time that I was saved, but what I do recall from a small child that I was where I started to attend the Evangelical Church, that there was not doubt on me that THE LORD was THE ONLY TRUE GOD AND SAVIOR and that HIS WORD as taught in Sunday School Bible Classes ( such a special day for me it was) - was inspired for all of us to grow in spiritual maturity and commitment unto THE LORD . . . later on I got baptized by immersion as a public testimony of accepting THE LORD as my own Personal SAVIOR - and that was around the age of 12 years old - that was a very special day for me!
---Melody on 4/7/19


I was saved in a trailer at college when I got down on my knees and asked Jesus into my heart. 45 years ago.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/7/19


Samuel
If you were saved in the manner prescribed in the statement above, you saved yourself. I will explain.

You were not saved before you got down on your knees and asked Jesus into your heart, you were saved after, you got down on your knees and asked Jesus into your heart.

Would you have been saved if you had not taken this action? If not, you saved yourself by your actions.
---David on 4/8/19


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Jesus died for me on a hill on good Friday.

I was saved in a trailer at college when I got down on my knees and asked Jesus into my heart. 45 years ago.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/7/19


Ron:

THE LORD understands your being sensitive about it, but just trust in HIM that such sublime and for eternal value date, GOD has written it for you in The Book of Life and for the assurance of you becoming one of HIS OWN and Heir to HIS Eternal Kingdom - as for the most important thing to do is for you to keep on growing in spiritual maturity as you study and apply HIS WORD into your daily living and being a special Instrument to bring others into THE LORD'S PRECIOUS COVERAGE OF REDEMPTION - for this is what our LORD desires from all of us!

Sincerely in CHRIST JESUS our LORD - blessings!

Melody
---Melody on 4/6/19


Knowing the DATE is inconsequential. What does that matter? What you have done since then is a lot more important.

If it is ABSOLUTELY necessary, God will provide.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/4/19


That's not true.

You were really saved on a hill outside Jerusalem on the first Good Friday.

Some would say, and I would not disagree, that you were saved on the first Easter morning.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/4/19


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