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Cluny, quit being nasty and I won't call you out.

REMEMBER you are the one who hit first by using a derogatory name against my Faith.

When I explained it was derogatory (thinking you didn't know) you had the nerve to tell me it wasn't and doubled now and justified everyone else to continue using that word.

I gave you proof on YouTube and instead of saying 'SORRY', you got mad when I play your game.

Now, I am sorry for bringing Monk into this debate.

I will show you how mean it is to change another person's faith name. (Kathr and Samuel as well)

I will add a word to you'll Faith. Sometimes it has to happen to you before you realized it isn't nice.

Petersburg Orthodox Church will be yours.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/6/19


\\
Nope, because when people like you see the word 'Greek' you must think about 'Athens'\\

Wrong again, Nicole, as in everything else you say about me.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/4/19


Again Cluny, I am SHOWING you how FOOLISH you sound.

I didn't make that comment because I thought the Greek are the people in Greece!

The Greeks were around before Jesus walked the earth.

You are the one that needs to grasps how ridiculous you sound calling the Catholic Church the 'Roman' Catholic Church.

Jesus wasn't in Rome when He started His Church.

The Romans NEVER claimed the CC as their own.

//If it makes you feel good to attach a city to its name, it should be Antiochian.//

Nope, because when people like you see the word 'Greek' you must think about 'Athens'

Afterall, if you dare to add 'words' to another person's faith, you will as well disconnect actual words in someone's faith.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/4/19


\\Cluny, you are the one connecting Religions to Cities not me. Using your logic, you need to connect Monk's faith with 'Athens'.\\

Have you not grasped yet that "Greek" in this context does not mean the modern nation of Greece,which was NEVER a independent sovereign state until 1825, 100 years AFTER the Melkite union took place?

If it makes you feel good to attach a city to its name, it should be Antiochian.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/4/19


Are you people still bickering about what denomination is better? 1 Corinthians 1:11-13

On another note:
I am not afraid that man can destroy my body, but I fear God for he can destroy the body and the soul.

Besides, what loving God would have people and angels tortured for the rest of eternity. Would God bring evil people into the new heavens and the new earth? How do we know that the fall of man will not happen again in the new world to come?
---Steveng on 5/3/19




Cluny, you are the one connecting Religions to Cities not me. Using your logic, you need to connect Monk's faith with 'Athens'.

StrongAxe, many Americans think United States has 52 States.

Using your logic, we do have 52 States instead of 50.

Many Americans think Puerto Ricans are NOT American Citizens. Again since they believe that then it MUST be true.

Many Christians think it's a SIN for women wearing pants, jewelry or makeup.

People think people from England are the ones with English accent instead of Americans.

So much that when you think of English Accents you think of the Britishes not us.

Now who REALLY has the accents?

Who spoke English FIRST?

Here is an hint: NOT US.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/3/19


Nicole, did you know that Greece was never a sovereign nation until 1825 or so.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/2/19


Cluny: "No one is really too sure where these cities were.

There's a long-standing tradition they are now at the bottom of the Dead Sea."

Do you think they are still burning with everlasting fire while underwater?

Actually, they have been found. Layers of ashes with embedded balls of sulfur (brimstone).


Christ is a Seventh-day Adventist!



---jerry6593 on 5/2/19


Nicole_Lacey:

Actual Catholics have themselves used the term "Roman Catholic" themselves, and have had no problem with that term being used of them. I have previously demonstrated this on many occasions. When I was growing up in a Catholic church in the 1950s-60s, EVERYBODY in our church and others freely used the term "Roman Catholic", and it was accepted practice then.

Why do you keep choking on this gnat? Why does this personally offend you so much?
---StrongAxe on 4/30/19


Nicole_Lacey said, "Since you all love to use cities to define religions, I suggest Athens for Monk's Melkite Catholic Greek Church for you all to use."

Nicole, our church is rooted in Antioch, where they were first called "Christian."

And there is NO Melkite monastery or parish on Mt. Athos, or in Athens.

And by the way, the term used is Greek (a country, not a city) Catholic, not Catholic Greek.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/29/19




Nicole, "Greek" in the full official name of the Melkite Catholic Church does NOT refer to the modern nation of Greece, which dates only to1828.

Rather, it refers to the Eastern half of the old Roman Empire.

Curiously, the Arabic name of the Melkites has the word RUM in it, which obviously is from the word for Rome.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/29/19


TRue Strong Ax.

GOD didn't kill Satan then. I have my understanding of why not. But that is not the point.

Why would GOD who loves everyone torture people for all eternity. When the Bible says the Wages of Sin is death? So you say it is eternal life in hell. The Bible says it is death. I will go with the Bible.

Look up the Theology named Conditionalism.

Look up Professor Edward Fudge and tell me what you think of him?
---Samuelbb7 on 4/28/19


john9346:

What right do you have to demand that ANYONE provide you with a statement of their faith? Are you some kind of divinely-appointed Grand Inquisitor in charge of making sure everyone's faith is "acceptable"?

What is YOUR denomination's "statement of faith"? You shouldn't demand that of others, if you aren't willing to provide the same yourself.


Nicole_Lacey:

The reason people use the word "Roman" Catholic is because there are several different Catholic churches, and one often needs to distinguish one from another. Quit choking on gnats.
---StrongAxe on 4/28/19


\\You are correct and i'll add that if Monk Brendan is so concerned about being mislabeled then he needs to provide a Melkite Catholic Statement of Faith other then the Apostles or Nicene Creed as its obvious Melkites believe more than just those creeds.\\

john, if you really what to know what the Melkites believe, there are plenty of sites you can check out.

Their beliefs are 99# dientical with the Orthodox.

Also, NONE of the Eastern Churches use the Apostles' creed, as it does not have the authority of an Ecumenical Council.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/28/19


Nicole,

You are correct and i'll add that if Monk Brendan is so concerned about being mislabeled then he needs to provide a Melkite Catholic Statement of Faith other then the Apostles or Nicene Creed as its obvious Melkites believe more than just those creeds.

If Monk Brendan is genuine he will do this for all of us to not do so demonstrates an agenda to create straw man arguments to deflect from the heart of the matter...
---john9346 on 4/28/19


== I suggest Athens for Monk's Melkite Catholic Greek Church for you all to use.
Since you all LOVE to make OTHER people's faith name.==

I'm still wondering where you got the name "Athens Catholic."

In case you didn't know (and you probably didn't), the Byzantine Liturgy originated in CONSTANTINOPLE, not
Athens.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/27/19


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Cluny, I myself said he used that term. He used the word by saying we Catholic DON'T used that term.

He DIDN'T. call himself 'Roman'.

Stop calling name. Worry about your own Orthodox Church. You all have enough problems.

Since you all love to use cities to define religions, I suggest Athens for Monk's Melkite Catholic Greek Church for you all to use.
Since you all LOVE to make OTHER people's faith name.

John, I don't know who started the word 'Roman'. The YouTube video was to prove to Cluny and the gang that the Holy See doesn't use the word Herself.
It's a derogatory name and they know it. And they call themselves Christians.

Atheists are more Christlike than them.
---Nicole_Lacey on 4/27/19


\\You believe that GOD cannot destroy the angels. That he lacks the power to make them cease to exist? He created them. He can destroy them. \\

Why would God do so since He loved them enough to create them to start with?

You (and others) might enjoy reading THE RIVER OF FIRE by Alexander Kalimiros.

An SDA pastor I shared it with enjoyed it and found it thought provoking.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/26/19


Samuelbb7:

Whether or not God is actually capable of destroying angels, it appears that he has no interest in doing so. He permitted Satan to rebel and take 1/3 of the angels with him. It would have been ridiculously easy for him to prevent that by just annihilating Satan the moment he rebelled - but God didn't do that. He could have prevented demons from tempting and terrorizing mankind, but he didn't do that either. He allows it to happen, for some reason, even though the result is to consign billions of people to hell for eternity. He even made a bet with Satan over Job's soul, and allowed Satan to torture Job in the process.
---StrongAxe on 4/27/19


Samuel, maybe I used the wrong word. Immortal I should use.

Luke 20:35-36
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels, and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

Sure God right now could turn everything into big juicy grape ..but won't because that would make Him a Liar.
---kathr4453 on 4/27/19


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I think Nicole means she is an Alabama Catholic....or that seems to be how her thinking goes, since she is CLUELESS as to what a Roman Catholic means. Or maybe she thinks she is an American Catholic..which actually is not affiliated with the Catholic Church at all.
---kathr4453 on 4/26/19


So Kathyr

You believe that GOD cannot destroy the angels. That he lacks the power to make them cease to exist? He created them. He can destroy them.

People and angels will not suffer in hell for all eternity. Paul said the wages of sin is death. Jesus in Revelation says the wicked die the second death.

Born once die twice. Born Twice die once.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/26/19


Nicole said, "
Speaking of EWTN, you SHOULD have heard Fr. Pacwa on EWTN Live state himself that ONLY Protestants call Catholics 'Roman' Catholics who was started by John Calvin."

Nicole, i can tell you its fallacious that John Calvin coined the term Roman Catholic.

Roman Catholic is definitional acceptable because there are many denomination of catholic Roman just being one of many.
---john9346 on 4/26/19


\\
//Monk Brendan is a MELKITE Catholic.//

According to your logic Monk is a Athens Catholic.\\

I have no idea what you man by "Athens Catholic". Do you?

If so, please explain.

BTW, the adjectival form is "Athenian".

You have no idea what I have heard and have not heard on EWTN. And just this last Tuesday, I heard Fr. Pacwa use the term "Roman Catholic."

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/26/19


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The lake of fire was made for the Angels, who are eternal beings. And the soul never dies. Yes eternal death....

Jesus went where for three days? He didn't become extinct and then come again to life. His physical body died, but said...TODAY YOU WILL BE WITH ME obviously showing awareness.

Luke also shows those who died physically were aware they had died and could not contact the living, but wanted to to WARN of this place the lost go..a place of misery and suffering....called the first death. Why do some say those verses are an allegory of Jesus teaching something that doesn't exist, and for what end or purpose??? Jesus would never mislead anyone for any reason. AND Allegories don't use people's names.
---kathr4453 on 4/25/19


Cluny, I follow the Catholic Latin Rite which ISN'T the Roman Catholic.

//Monk Brendan is a MELKITE Catholic.//

According to your logic Monk is a Athens Catholic.

Since he is Melkite Greek Catholic.

//BTW, I hear the term "Roman Catholic" frequently on EWTN.//

No you didn't.

Speaking of EWTN, you SHOULD have heard Fr. Pacwa on EWTN Live state himself that ONLY Protestants call Catholics 'Roman' Catholics who was started by John Calvin.

Go to YouTube and type 'EWTN Live - Protestant Theology - Fr. Mitch Pacwa, S.J. with David Anders - 06-23-2010'

Speed up to 34:37 min/sec.

You will HEAR him state that WE DO NOT call ourselves Roman Catholics.
---Nicole_Lacey on 4/25/19


Nicole_Lacey said, "So YES He needed a Body to Sacrifice for us."

If God needs anything at all, then He is not God, but rather a creation, and not a Creator.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/25/19


First the penalty for sin is "Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

The Bible does not teach the wicked have eternal life. So therefore they cannot suffer for eternity.

Christian Conditionalism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Look it up.

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

They die the Second death. Like the old saying. Born once die twice. Born Twice die once.
So the answer is no to the question.
Love GOD love others follow Jesus.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/25/19


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\\Do you really believe that Sodom & Gomorrah are still burning? I couldn't spot the fires on Google Earth.\\

No one is really too sure where these cities were.

There's a long-standing tradition they are now at the bottom of the Dead Sea.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/24/19


\\Cluny: ...that declares this to be an official Roman Catholic doctrine?//

I have NO IDEA what's in the Roman Catholic doctrine. Go ask a Roman Catholic. I am Catholic.\\

If you follow the Latin rite, you ARE a Roman Catholic, Nicole.

Monk Brendan is a MELKITE Catholic.

BTW, I hear the term "Roman Catholic" frequently on EWTN.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/24/19


Absolutely Steveng, FOREVER. And remember there is no redemption for Angels....or Satan who is an angel.
---kathr4453 on 4/24/19


Cluny: ...that declares this to be an official Roman Catholic doctrine?//

I have NO IDEA what's in the Roman Catholic doctrine. Go ask a Roman Catholic. I am Catholic.

Monk: Nicole, The Bible says that "38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord,...//

She is giving consent.

//God doesn't NEED anyone or anything. If He had wanted to, He could have raised up a stone, made it into a body, animated it, and called it Jesus. But God didn't do that! HE wanted//

God needs our will to be with Him. He CHOSE not to force anyone to love Him.

God made the plan of our Salvation. He decide how He was going to Save us.

His plan was to have a Body.

So YES He needed a Body to Sacrifice for us.
---Nicole_Lacey on 4/23/19


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monk Brendan said, "Unless you have read and understood the Catechism 0f the Catholic Church (Not the Baltimore Catechism put out in the American Roman Catholic Churches back in the 40's or whenever.)"

First of all you wrote, "0f." it should be "Of." hypocritical isn't it?? your not following your own Spelling Standard...

You know from prior postings the catechism that I have referenced to you the moement it was presented you always said, "John i'm Melkite not Roman catholic."
---john9346 on 4/23/19


Cluny et al: Cut out the denominational bickering and stick to the blog subject.

Do you really believe that Sodom & Gomorrah are still burning? I couldn't spot the fires on Google Earth.



---jerry6593 on 4/23/19


Nicole_Lacey said, "Now the Catholics states Mary is Co-Redemptrix because the Angel asked sent to her for permission to give Jesus a Body to use to save souls.

No one else was asked. The Angel TOLD not asked."


Nicole, The Bible says that "38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord, be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her."

You said, But Jesus needed to get His Body FIRST from Mary

God doesn't NEED anyone or anything. If He had wanted to, He could have raised up a stone, made it into a body, animated it, and called it Jesus. But God didn't do that! HE wanted .
---Monk_Brendan on 4/22/19


Nicole, the Eastern churches teach that, in the beautiful poetic phrase, all creation held its breath to see what Mary's answer to the Angel's statement would be.

Regarding Mary as co-redemptrix, could you please provide appropriate citations from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith or other appropriate dicastery that declares this to be an official Roman Catholic doctrine?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/22/19


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Again People, you are acting silly for arguing about a Church that doesn't exist!

Now the Catholics states Mary is Co-Redemptrix because the Angel asked sent to her for permission to give Jesus a Body to use to save souls.

No one else was asked. The Angel TOLD not asked.

When the Court (If allowed by the State) condemns a person to death does the mere words actually kills the person?

No a person is need to literally kill the person.

Now who is responsible for the death of the person?

The person who ACTUALLY kills the person or the Court? The Court.

But the State NEEDS a person to FOLLOW the Court's Order.

Jesus SAVES US by His Body.

But Jesus needed to get His Body FIRST from Mary
---Nicole_Lacey on 4/22/19


monk - obey God than man that is what Peter said. you & cluny obeys man not God. christ said to the Pharisees that they reject the commandments of God, that you may keep your traditions. by the way, the orthodox church & the catholic church split in 1054. I am pretty much sure the orthodox carried certain traditions from the RCC.
---mike on 4/22/19


John9346 said, "Now as a monk the standards are high proove this??"

First of all, you misspelled prove, with ONE O. But I will pass that by.

Unless you have read and understood the Catechism 0f the Catholic Church (Not the Baltimore Catechism put out in the American Roman Catholic Churches back in the 40's or whenever.), I will not be able to discuss this with you. Look back in your files, and you will find that I have NEVER said that Mary was co-redemptrix. I have denied this repeatedly!
---Monk_Brendan on 4/22/19


i got this from the Catholic News agency - As is readily acknowledged on both sides, Catholics and Orthodox already have much in common - acceptance of the teaching of the first seven general councils of the Church, the sacraments including the Eucharist, and the apostolic succession of their bishops. It adds up to what Pope Francis, writing to Orthodoxys Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople, Bartholomew, recently called a profound closeness between the two bodies.

as the bible says there will be ONE WORLD RELIGION & the orthodox will unite with Rome.
---mike on 4/22/19


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Monk Brendan said, "John, none of the things that you have posted have a remote resemblance to Catholic Dogma."

Now as a monk the standards are high proove this??

Before responding remember we've dialog on many postings much you yourself had to admit that the information was correct because the catechism, and many multiple Rc Authorities I showed to you were exact...

You even had to apologize because you were corrected...
---john9346 on 4/21/19


About Co-redemptrix:

While the idea of Mary as Co-Redemptrix might be a wide spread notion in the Roman Catholic Church, there is NO official doctrinal statement defining this as a dogma.

You might want to read the Wikipedia article on this.

Even on Google, I got

"Co-Redemptrix is a title used by some Roman Catholics for the Blessed Virgin Mary, as well as a Catholic theological concept referring to Mary's role in the redemption of all peoples. It has always been controversial and has never formed part of the dogma of the Church."

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/22/19


John9346 said, "Monk Brendan have you recommend to Cluny to stop defending RC Teaching and post the actual things that Eastern Orthodox really Believe???"

John, none of the things that you have posted have a remote resemblance to Catholic Dogma.

A lot of the Pre-Reformation Dogma is exactly the same! What you are quoting is 400+ years of Reformation anti-Catholicism. You would do better to actually read "Catechism of the Catholic Church" BEFORE posting another anti-Catholic screed on this or any other forum.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/21/19


One I remember specifically: Mary as Co-redemptrix."

You see, first, why are you commenting on a RC Matter and you claim to be EO you proove my point...

Next, you have been corrected on this multiple times that RC do believe, teach, and practice this even Nicole corrected you on this when she cited a pope in defense do you listen sir??
---john9346 on 4/21/19


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\\cluny said, "john, a lot of things that you post are in fact NOT Roman Catholic teaching to start with, or Orthodox teaching, for that matter."

Name one??\\

One I remember specifically: Mary as Co-redemptrix.

While many RCs may believe this, it is NOT official RC doctrine.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/21/19


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cluny said, "john, a lot of things that you post are in fact NOT Roman Catholic teaching to start with, or Orthodox teaching, for that matter."

Name one??
---john9346 on 4/21/19


\\Monk Brendan have you recommend to Cluny to stop defending RC Teaching and post the actual things that Eastern Orthodox really Believe???
---john9346 on 4/20/19\\

john, a lot of things that you post are in fact NOT Roman Catholic teaching to start with, or Orthodox teaching, for that matter.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/20/19


Monk Brendan said, "Mike, Cluny is NOT CATHOLIC! He doesn't follow the Pope. Read up on Orthodox Christianity before you address him again."

Monk Brendan have you recommend to Cluny to stop defending RC Teaching and post the actual things that Eastern Orthodox really Believe???
---john9346 on 4/20/19


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mike said, " cluny - your favorite verse is what the serpent said in the garden - 'you will not die, you will be like God knowing what is good & evil'. disobedience because you are the one who thinks you are God defining what is good or what is evil'...again 'glory to the pope' not christ cluny...of course your source of information is man the pope & not the bible. that is why you 'glorify the pope not christ & his word or commandment...cluny - that is what the bible says. it's obvious who you really are obeying...for you glory to the pope not the word of God."

Mike, Cluny is NOT CATHOLIC! He doesn't follow the Pope. Read up on Orthodox Christianity before you address him again.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/19/19


\\
obviously, cluny does not know the difference between the Word or commandment of God but call them the dogmas of a 'denomination' & yet he obeys man than God,\\

mike:

Unless you're channeling Melody, give specific examples of how I am doing this.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/19/19


Steveng, are you not burdened by the dogmas, traditions, and rituals of your own worldly denominational "church"?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/19/19


mike:

Steveng was the one who talked about "dogmas of a denomination" - Cluny was just quoting him to challenge that statement (exactly as you are doing, but at least he's challenging the right person).

Please state EXACTLY which "Word or commandment of God" that Cluny calls "dogmas of a denomination". Please state EXACTLY how Cluny "rejected and mocked" the commandment and word of God. If you make accusations, you have to be able to back them up.
---StrongAxe on 4/18/19


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cluny said 'burdened by your denomination's dogma, traditions and rituals that you, having a very narrow mindset based upon your denomination'

Mark 7:9 - And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. this is what Christ said.

obviously, cluny does not know the difference between the Word or commandment of God but call them the dogmas of a 'denomination' & yet he obeys man than God, then leaves 'Glory to christ'. how many time has cluny REJECTED & mocks the commandment & word of God.
the Holy spirit rejects the flesh not the commandment of God. even Peter said 'obey God not man'
---mike on 4/18/19


to cluny here is a great verse for you

Genesis 3:4-
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
---mike on 4/18/19


\\
Many of you who bicker about whose "church" is better are so heavily burdened by your denomination's dogma, traditions and rituals that you, having a very narrow mindset based upon your denomination, makes it very difficult to connect to the Holy Spirit. \\

Steveng, you're exactly the same way.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/18/19


Many of you who bicker about whose "church" is better are so heavily burdened by your denomination's dogma, traditions and rituals that you, having a very narrow mindset based upon your denomination, makes it very difficult to connect to the Holy Spirit. It must be very scary for you and others to lose your denominational identity, your false sense of comfort.

Cluny, Strongaxe, instead of repeatedly attacking mike that he's wrong, why not "enlighten" him who your worldly denominational leaders are?

cluny, as for your tag at the end of your posts read Matthew 7:21-23.
---Steveng on 4/18/19


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mike, do you think that the Pope is the one who changed the worship day from Saturday to Sunday?

If so, please tell me WHICH pope did so, WHEN, and HOW did he make it stick.

If I have misunderstood you, forgive me, and then explain why you keep up bringing the pope to me.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/17/19


mike:

You wrote: cluny - your favorite verse is what the serpent said in the garden - 'you will not die, you will be like God knowing what is good & evil'. disobedience because you are the one who thinks you are God defining what is good or what is evil'

How could you possibly know what Cluny's favorite verse is? Again, you are totally making things up about people, and then accusing them of it. Do you know what that's called? It's called "bearing false witness". I seem to recall that there's a commandment against that in the Bible somewhere. Perhaps you've heard of it.
---StrongAxe on 4/17/19


cluny: "If hell doesn't last forever, then heaven doesn't either."

Why not? By your logic, Sodom and Gomorrha are still burning today, as:

Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of ETERNAL FIRE.

Do you really believe that they are still burning? I couldn't spot the fires on Google Earth.


---jerry6593 on 4/18/19


mike:

You wrote: it's obvious who you really are obeying. for you glory to the pope not the word of God.

Why do you keep mentioning the Pope? How many times does Cluny have to say that he's Orthodox AND NOT CATHOLIC for people to understand that?

How can you possibly argue against what people say, when you don't even LISTEN to what they say in the first place?
---StrongAxe on 4/17/19


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\\for you glory to the pope not the word of God.
---mike on 4/17/19\\

mike, don't you understand that I am NOT a Roman Catholic?

Why do you keep on dragging the pope into your reproaches against me?

And NOWHERE does the Bible say, "Glory to the word of God."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/17/19


cluny - your favorite verse is what the serpent said in the garden - 'you will not die, you will be like God knowing what is good & evil'. disobedience because you are the one who thinks you are God defining what is good or what is evil'

again 'glory to the pope' not christ cluny
---mike on 4/17/19


cluny - of course your source of information is man the pope & not the bible. that is why you 'glorify the pope not christ & his word or commandment'

ouch
---mike on 4/17/19


cluny - that is what the bible says. it's obvious who you really are obeying.

for you glory to the pope not the word of God.
---mike on 4/17/19


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\\ the wicked shall BURN UP that it shall leave neither root nor branch...for they shall be ASHES. \\

If this happens on earth, as the SDAs teach, who is going to clean up the mess, mike?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/17/19


mike:

You wrote: lucifer broke Commandment 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.

When did Lucifer break the Sabbath? When did Lucifer commit adultery? When did Lucifer covet his neighbor's wife? If you're going to be specific and accuse someone of breaking sins by specifically calling them all out, you need to be sure there is specific evidence of each of those sins.

Yes, Lucifer is guilty of many things, but not necessarily everything you accused him of.
---StrongAxe on 4/16/19


\\glory to the pope cluny.
---mike on 4/16/19\\

Why do you keep on saying that, mike?

I'm really bewildered by it.

Can you please explain?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/16/19


john9346 - exactly john. lucifer rebelled & wants to be God until today. so what Law did lucifer break when he said 'I will be like the MOST HIGH' I will ascend above the throne of God. lucifer broke Commandment 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.
For Sin is the transgression of the Law of God.

glory to the pope cluny.
---mike on 4/16/19


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"And the devil that deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever". Revelation 20: 10 . . .

"The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of GOD, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of HIS INDIGNATION: And he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in THE PRESENCE OF THE LAMB".

"And the smoke of their torment ascended up forever and ever, and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever received the mark of his name". Revelation 14: 10,11
---Melody on 4/16/19


No...Ezekiel 28:18 - therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, IT SHALL DEVOUR THEE & I will bring to ASHES upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

God will destroy the wicked. that is why God said 'there will be NO MORE SIN.'
people suffer for the rest of eternity is another fear tactic.

Malachi 4:1-3 .'For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven, and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up... BURN UP not BURNING.
---mike on 4/16/19


cluny - hell is made for the devil not for the sinner. before SIN or lucifer's rebellion, there was no HELL but heaven existed before. does that make hell eternal? NO. the bible say there is a second death that is FINAL from which there will be NO RESURRECTION. the wicked shall BURN UP that it shall leave neither root nor branch...for they shall be ASHES.
---mike on 4/16/19


Steveng:

Yes, God is just sinners have broken God's Law and what happens if you break the law?? think about it...
---john9346 on 4/16/19


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"Will angels and people suffer in hell for the rest of eternity?" No. 1Co 15:26 "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death". With death destroyed, there will be no need for the grave. Rev 20:14 "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death".
---joseph on 4/15/19


If hell doesn't last forever, then heaven doesn't either.

The same words are used to describe the duration of both.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/14/19


No!

Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone

Mal 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven, and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.


---jerry6593 on 4/15/19


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