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You wrote to Cluny: you glorify the pope & your SUN god is risen cluny

Do you STILL NOT GET IT? Cluny is
so he has NOTHING to do with the pope WHATSOEVER. YOU talk more about the pope (in your accusations) than he ever does.

Yet you totally ignore what people say because it disagrees with your own desire to cast accusations. If you have an actual valid point to make, MAKE IT. Show ONE post ANYWHERE where Cluny "glorified the pope".
---StrongAxe on 5/15/19

Strongaxe, Paul and James compliment one another as Paul in Romans 6 show obedience of what we are to do. Romans 16:24-27 OBEDIENCE OF FAITH. Galatians is steeped with obedience of faith AFTER SALVATION...RE FALLING FROM GRACE......James is not about our justification aka our initial salvation,( Ephesians 2:9-10) but our life after we are saved. Those who misrepresent Paul simply don't understand Paul.

James is talking about SANCTIFICATION, which Paul shows Romans 6-8 as our sanctification and James calls works. Paul also states WORKS OF FAITH in Romans 3.

---kathr4453 on 5/15/19

And I agree, Jerry bringing Jesus Christ down to our level is blasphemy ...however it's possible Jerry does not believe in the deity of Christ. Jerry's comments and statements do reveal more than he knows.
---kat453 on 5/15/19

AXE, CLUNY. Neither of you understand book of James.
Matt 13:13-15 & 1Cor 2:7-15 explains why you fail to understand God's HIDDEN wisdom.

AXE. Hypocritical Leftist Christians like you who accuse Conservative Christians of lacking works that shows faith, have no understanding of God's HIDDEN wisdom in James 2 on what the works even are.

And now I see that apart from your heretical doctrine on Matt 25, you also falsely claim that Paul & Jesus contradict each other.

BTW, Jesus said "by their FRUITS you shall know them" (Matt 7).

With so much false, heretical doctrine you push here I would make a similar warning as Jesus gave about the Pharisees (Matt 16): "Beware the leaven" of AXE.
---Haz27 on 5/15/19

strongaxe wrote: "The term "Seventh Day Adventist" carries much baggage..,"

All worldly denominations "carries much baggage" that does not apply to Jesus for each denomination carries man-made rituals, man-made traditions, man's idea of living, and man-made interpretations of the bible. ALL worldly denominations spend more than 85% of their income/donations on maintaining their hard assets, paper assets, and legal papers.

Gods true Church has no earthly wealth, no huge bureaucracy, no billions tied up in hard assets, real estate, insurance, investments, and bank accounts and no money to maintain these assets. God's true church is not made by man's hands including "church" buildings.
---Steveng on 5/15/19


The term "Seventh Day Adventist" carries much baggage that does not apply to Jesus, so it is inaccurate to call him one, just as it would be inaccurate to call him a "Catholic" even though believed in one universal (i.e. catholic) church.

James taught salvation comes by BOTH faith AND works (that demonstrate that faith), but far-right evangelicals ignore that and prefer Paul's "salvation by faith alone" - which justifies people who say they believe, yet their works demonstrate they really don't (see Matthew 25). Jesus taught "by their works you will know them", yet Evangelicals focus on Paul, because much of what Jesus taught was uncomfortable.
---StrongAxe on 5/15/19

Just as Jesus IS THE LIFE AND RESURRECTION, He is also THE SABBATH REST.."HE IS", NOT A DAY. WE ENTER HIS REST, WHEN WE ENTER Into Christ through our identification with Jesus in death and resurrection life.

Also The MYSTERY of Romans 16:25-27, Colossians 1:24-27 is Christ IN YOU, the Hope of GLORY, having translated us out of this present EVIL AGE, the one Haz27 and Jerry are still in bondage to, showing neither understand The Gospel according to the Mystery. BUT the Right Wing GOP knows NOTHING about that the GOP has nothing to do with Christianity. Satan has you both in a FILIBUSTER keeping you from growing up into Christ. VERY VERY DUMB.
---kathr4453 on 5/15/19

\\you glorify the pope & your SUN god is risen cluny
---mike on 5/15/19\\

What in gehenna are you talking about?

Do you know yourself?

Please quote my EXACT words where I "glorified the pope". Otherwise, you stand before God as a slanderer.

When will you grasp the fact that I'm Eastern Orthodox?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/15/19

Sam: "People on the far right. Do not like to read the book of James."

Who told you that? Fake CNN? It is you who ignores the scriptures that condemn the Democrat platform.

Cluny If you and the others love Jesus so much, why don't you obey Him?

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Jesus IS a Seventh-day Adventist!

---jerry65 on 5/15/19

KATHR. You really need to get out of that Leftist echo chamber of hate and lies.
You have "itching ears" for such garbage, and it will only lead you astray from God's truth. Put your trust in Jesus, instead.
---Haz27 on 5/15/19

Here's proof Haz27 doesn't read people's posts here, but just sounds like a bot....

Anyway, according to Haz27 the megaphones of the left wing ALSO do not disrespect Our LORD Jesus Christ by calling him JC. praise GOD for,the Liberal Lefties who sound more Christian than Haz27.
---kathr4453 on 5/15/19

cluny - St. James says it is not hearers of the word who are justified, but DOERS of it.

how ironic for you to say that when you don't keep the commandments of God, you even mock it.

you glorify the pope & your SUN god is risen cluny
---mike on 5/15/19

\\CLUNY. You already know CN word ...\\

Maybe it's because I've just noticed your irreverent abbreviation.

Nobody is saved without Jesus. But the Bible also says, "I will have mercy on whomsoever I will have mercy."

St. James says it is not hearers of the word who are justified, but DOERS of it.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/15/19

AXE. Again you repeat your heretical doctrine that Jesus is not needed for entry into Heaven because those that are ANTI-CHRIST can still make it based upon some ambiguous minimum standard of good deeds for the physically needy.

I suggest you read John 14:6 which says that Jesus is the ONLY way to Heaven.

The MYSTERIES of Heaven (Matt 13:10-15) is HIDDEN wisdom (1Cor 2:7) that the likes of you do not receive from Jesus. That's why you fail to understand Matt 25.

KATHR. You really need to get out of that Leftist echo chamber of hate and lies.
You have "itching ears" for such garbage, and it will only lead you astray from God's truth. Put your trust in Jesus, instead.
---Haz27 on 5/15/19


In Matthew 25, many who don't think they will be saved, will, in fact be saved, and many who DO think they're saved, will not. This means that there are people who have very finely-developed senses of theology, who nevertheless will be lost. This also means that there are people who are saved, who don't realize they are. Now, Christians should KNOW their theology, so they should KNOW that they are saved - which means that the "sheep" who are confused can't all be Christians.
---StrongAxe on 5/15/19

Yes Cluny, I'm offended. He should be addressed as Our Lord OR, The LORD Jesus Christ. JC sounds like something an unsaved person uses.

But any correction spiritually Haz27 considers hateful. There is an interesting verse in scripture that says correct a BROTHER and he will love you, correct a SCOFFER and he will hate you. Just Haz27's reaction to correction gives his own heart's actually "self impeaching" behavior. .
---kathr4453 on 5/15/19

\\KATHR & AXE. Your politically driven hate and gas lighting which you have displayed here on CN for many years is typical of the Left. \\

And what do your own hate-filled postings here on these blogs say about yourself, Haz?

Are these, too, typical of the Left?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/14/19

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CLUNY. You already know CN word limits results in abbreviation of names/words.
I've used JC abbreviation here for years so why your sudden offence taking?

BTW, why are you not offended by the heretical doctrine AXE contrives from his flawed understanding of Matt 25?

AXE claims that Jesus is not necessary for entry into Heaven because the alternative to John 3:16, John 14:6, is to do some ambiguous minimum standard of good deeds for needy and that will get you into Heaven WITHOUT Jesus.

Is it because AXE is your friend thus you ignore all his offensiveness, even when it's heretical doctrine denying John 14:6?

I suggest Jesus is a far better friend to have than those who deny John 14:6.
---Haz27 on 5/14/19

\\CLUNY. JC, the teacher (Matt 23:8), reveals the MYSTERIES of Heaven to Christians who search for it (Prov 25:2). \\

Haz, calling our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ merely "JC" is at the very least irreverent.

And I'm sure I'm not the only one here who finds it offensive.

If you can't even be reverent, it is doubtful that God has revealed ANY mysteries to you.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/14/19

KATHR & AXE. Your politically driven hate and gas lighting which you have displayed here on CN for many years is typical of the Left.

And Leftists always project their own hate, racism, bigotry, etc onto anyone who dares to oppose and criticise the authoritarian Left's lies and destructive agendas.

AXE. If you genuinely don't justify the persecution of Christians then don't justify the persecution of Christians, like the hateful LGBTQI Marxist Left do.

You lack spiritual discernment of Matt 25, for example. You read it purely in physical terms and then offer the heretical argument that JC is not needed for entry into Heaven because good deeds are an alternative to John 3:16.
---Haz27 on 5/14/19

The tactic Haz27 uses is called Gaslighting...aka psychological manipulation totally of Satan.

I suggest we boycott and completely ignore Haz27, just as scripture keep no company in anyway with until he/she repents.

He's only using CN to troll and spew his garbage.

And seeing his false doctrine that he says he/she is sinless is another reason to be shunned here. Just that false doctrine shows he is not a spokesman for God.
---kathr4453 on 5/14/19

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Read my lips.
, and your parroting it like a broken record, like you do with all your other accusations, doesn't make it any more true. Explaining why something happens is not justification.

Your scriptures may explain why SOME people don't understand divine mysteries, but they don't point fingers at WHO those people are. It is YOU who points fingers and say "I'm sprititually discerning, but you're not". What presumption and spiritual arrogance!

The fact that you constantly spew hate, despite Jesus' command to love God, your neighbor, and your enemy, suggests YOU may not even be a Christian.
---StrongAxe on 5/14/19

James 3:13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.

14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.

15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.

16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.

17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
---kathr4453 on 5/14/19

The verses I just posted in James 3 does not take a rocket scientist to understand. The WISE are those IN CHRIST, who is made unto us WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE, supplying all the mysteries to those who have the mind of Christ. Only those who are heavenly minded have the mind of Christ...those like Haz27 who are earthly minded do not have the mind of Christ and therefore have no clue about any of the Mysteries given to those who obey and live Colossians 3:1-4. Romans 6-8

Don't let Haz27 trumpet foul mouth confuse the TRUTH.

People can have discussions without all the name calling and vicious attacks. Trumpet foul mouths just don't know how to debate...they only know how to assault.
---kath4453 on 5/14/19

SAMUEL. Read Matt 13:10-15 & 1Cor 2:7-14 for why you don't understand MYSTERIES of Heaven, HIDDEN wisdom of God, in book of James.
BTW, neither Right nor Left represent Christianity, but of the 2 the heartless Left are the far greater evil.

CLUNY. JC, the teacher (Matt 23:8), reveals the MYSTERIES of Heaven to Christians who search for it (Prov 25:2).
As AXE & SAMUEL fail to understand God's HIDDEN wisdom then that either suggests they're not Christians or else they trust in man's doctrine rather than searching for spiritual discernment from JC.

AXE. You can't excuse your Leftist justifications for persecuting Christians. The fact you justify persecuting Christians suggests you may not even be a Christian.
---Haz27 on 5/13/19

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Haz, do you think that Jesus (NOT JC) has revealed any mysteries to you?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/13/19


I'm not justifying ANY persecution. If you had ACTUALLY read what I said for what it was worth, you would have seen that I said that ALL PERSECUTION IS BAD. I just said that the pot shouldn't call the kettle black. But you don't listen to what people say, other than to pick it apart and use as ammunition in your constant relentless and baseless attacks.

Your constant accusations show that you hate your enemies, in defiance of Jesus's SPECIFIC command to love your enemies.

Obviously JC has not given you these MYSTERIES, especially considering the heretical doctrine you push.

And you presumptuously think he has given them to YOU?!
---StrongAxe on 5/13/19

People on the far right. Do not like to read the book of James.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/13/19

AXE. Your absurd justification for TODAYS persecution of Christians because gays were supposedly persecuted in PAST generations proves that your Leftist puppet masters rule you.

You parrot deviant Left's justifications, even when its similar principles to OT law an eye for an eye.

Your justification for persecuting Christians suggests to me you're not a Christian, as also does your heretical doctrine from Matt 25.

BTW, if you read Matt 13:10-15 you'll see Jesus confirm the HIDDEN wisdom in his words. To LOST souls his parables are merely parables. But to true Christians they are given the MYSTERIES of Heaven.

Obviously JC has not given you these MYSTERIES, especially considering the heretical doctrine you push.
---Haz27 on 5/13/19

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\\Gender is MOSTLY binary, not 100%. Some people are born with two sets of part. How would YOU classify them?\\

A few years ago, I saw a TV show about intersexuals.

One was a beautiful woman who had always been raised female. But by college her periods had not started.

Medical tests showed she was XY. Is she a m an or a woman?

A soldier had a CT scan before his discharge. A uterus and ovaries were found inside him. Is he a man or a woman?

When I asked my dr. about this, he simply said, "In matters of human sexuality, things are seldom what they seem."

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/13/19


I DON'T deflect. I point out policies PROVEN TO WORK to greatly reduce abortions, yet you constantly ignore them. This proves your interest is NOT to save babies, but solely to gather ammunition to hurl accusations and condemnation in your Holy War against the left. Please examine your own priorities.

All persecution is bad, but if X persecutes Y for a century, then Y persectues X for a year, X is in the greater wrong, and has no right to play the victim card.

Gender is MOSTLY binary, not 100%. Some people are born with two sets of part. How would YOU classify them?

You follow God's way?! John 3:17: For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world...
But of course, Haz27 knows better than God.
---StrongAxe on 5/13/19


Again, you constantly parrot Yuri Bezmanov. You constantly talk about "hateful lies", yet almost every word that drips from your mouth is filled with hatred for the left, and you are so blinded by your own hatred for the left that you can't even see it. Please remove the forest from your own eye before criticizing the splinter in everyone else's.
---StrongAxe on 5/12/19

There are some Hebraisms, mostly in syntax in the LXX, though fewer in the NT.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/13/19

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HAZ 27, I've only read the first 3 words of your rant and false accusation, and refuse to read your garbage posts. Satan and the Left do not read the Word of God for the purpose of obeying the Lord . I don't know who you think your talking to.

You may want to revisit the book of James. Wow, James seems more relevant now than ever....especially the verses of hateful bickering and fighting that comes from BELOW, and not above. Satan has you by the neck Haz27 and is having a hay day with you. Since I am an OVERCOMER, his use of you to attack me is not working. I pity you. REPENT
---kathr4453 on 5/13/19

AXE. You ALWAYS DEFLECT to protect oppressive Left from valid criticism.

You even justify the deviant Left's persecution of Christians TODAY who support God's view of LGBTQI by arguing that OT law eye for an eye should apply because of supposed persecution of gays in PAST generations.

You also use the Left's arguments justifying Left's baby genocide, or deflect to irrelevant nations when backed into a corner.

No doubt you will eventually justify the child abusing Left's agenda to replace the scientifically correct binary gender view, with their deviant neutral gender enforcement upon children.

Whatever your authoritarian Left tyrants deem to be good, you will justify.
As for me, I'll follow God's ways.
---Haz27 on 5/13/19


You wrote: The Hebrew language doesn't have 'verbs'.

That is totally incorrect. Have you ever studied Hebrew?

Hebrew uses the active particples for present tense (e.g. "I eating" rather than "I eat"). It omits the present of "to be" except in existential contexts, e.g. "he was, and he IS, and he will be", but all verbs are actually verbs in past and future tenses. There is also "yesh" that means "there is" or "there are".

Since Jesus didn't say 'is', your example is incorrect.

The New Testament is written in Greek, not Hebrew, so any arguments about Hebrew grammar are irrelevant about it in any case.
---StrongAxe on 5/12/19

KATHR. Satan has deceived you through your itching ears for the Lefts hateful lies. Stop being such a hater serving the Left. Trust in JC instead.

AXE. Youre a brainwashed follower of Marxist Left, as your posts here prove.
Yuri Bezmanovs warnings about your brainwashing come from his role as a KGB Communist propagandist involved in subverting nations.

Academic and former Communist activist David Horowitz likewise warns of the Marxist brainwashing you are manipulated by.

In 1958 an FBI agent put out a book titled Naked Communist, which lists their findings on Marxist goals. The Lefts PC tyranny and dominance of megaphones of society confirms they succeeded in their goals.

This confirms Yuri Bezmanovs warnings.
---Haz27 on 5/12/19

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Of course, you believe everything Bezmanov says. Brainwashed righties reject facts too. The unifying thing here is not that they are LEFT, but that they are BRAINWASHED. Cultic behavior happens on both sides. The left is not the enemy. Satan is. By setting left against right and vice versa, Satan laughs all the way to the bank.

You talk about baby genocide. I mention ways that LOWER the genocide, and you call that deflection. Yes - it deflects from your OBSESSION with casting blame, and redirects it to ACTUALLY SAVING LIVES, but you don't care because your entire religion is about blaming and condemnation.

So STEM shooter was a DEM. The previous few mass shooters, including the NZ one, were Trump-quoting RIGHTISTS.
---StrongAxe on 5/12/19

---Haz27 on 5/11/19

Haz27 I'm sorry you are so brainwashed and hateful that you , like the NEW far right feel the need to assault your supposed enemy first, in order to make a point. A point in fact that is a bold face LIE. That's what I HATE Haz27, Christians or those who say they are getting sucked Into these HATEFUL attacks on others as if it were sanctioned by God. You drank that poison KoolAid not me. So stop bearing false witness and admit not all who call themselves Christians ARE. Even the anit-Christ is going to deceive many that he is God. You look like one who will be easily deceived. WHY! Because YOU are trying to serve two masters. WRONG! If you find that be it.
---kathr4453 on 5/12/19

Ok so many believe America is the NEW ISRAEL...the NEW PROMISE LAND, that God made a Covenant with. Is the Covenant then based on HATE, or again to be a LIGHT to all Nations? How can we be that LIGHT when so much DARKNESS is overshadowing this Country by HATE talk towards others, even your supposed enemy..the Democrats...too funny!

You know when Schlinder realized what was really going on to its core, he wished he could have bought more families and saved them. How do you know God doesn't want us taking in more immigrants simply for the very same reasons....saving lives. Has anyone even asked God what HIS WILL IS? Can anyone even hear Gods voice with all this NOISE and hate going on? NO!
---kat453 on 5/12/19

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't STEM SCHOOLS those that focus on SCIENCE, TECHNOLOGY, ENGINEERING AND MATHMATICS?

What was Jerry 's comment about? MIT would fit that description perfectly.

Is there another meaning, or was Jerry just being Jerry?
---kathr4453 on 5/11/19

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AXE. I make FACTUAL criticisms of the Left. And Yuri Bezmanov said brainwashed Lefties reject facts.

Take, for example, when I criticize baby murdering Left in USA (same applies to Left in Aust) YOU DEFLECT to other irrelevant nations in trying to steer debate away from the baby genocide that the DEMs (that YOU support) push for.

JERRY. True, STEM shooters were a Christian-hating DEMs BO fan, and a trans. Thats why the Lefts Fake News media are so subdued over this shooting.

KATHR. True, we should put our faith in God, not man. But as you are a follower of the Christian-hating oppressive Left (as proven by your hateful outbursts when we criticize the Left here), then I suggest you stop trying to pretend otherwise.
---Haz27 on 5/11/19


You wrote: AXE. Your lies and emotional outbursts wont help you AXE.

Emotional outbursts? YOU are the one constantly screaming accusations and condemnation at the left, constantly accusing them of genocide and other things.

Since you characterize abortion as MURDER, then US and AU MURDER more babies per capita than NL or DK, yet you continue to ignore that, trying to ineffectively treat the symptom rather than the cause.
---StrongAxe on 5/11/19

Haz: The STEM was a rabid LGBTQ Trump-hating DEMOCRAT.
---jerry6593 on 5/11/19

Throwing millions off healthcare Is MURDER instead of a tragedy , considering the heartless selfish reasons that are most commonly offered for it. The RIGHT WING UNDER NO HEALTH CARE , Not caring for any baby, preschooler or teen AFTER leaving the womb, much less not caring for the unborn while in the womb's kinda like saying it's illegal not to plant corn in Iowa, during a drought , and we're not bringing in any water to help. Your on your own. HAHA, EVEN THE RW WOULD SUPPLY WATER IF NEED BE. Look now at the payoffs for soy beans TOTAL HYPOCRITS.

To me it's ALL MURDER, but the RW want to draw a line in the sand....and I see no scripture for that's ALL MURDER IN GODS EYES.
---kathr4453 on 5/11/19

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God never asked Christians to be IGNORANT OF END TIMES, but to be wise concerning end times, and He has given us scriptures for these times TO OBEY. But you also need to be saved and have the mind of Christ, not being conformed to this world...ROMANS 12:1-2. This many are lacking, and in reality walk in the opposite direction.....called wood hay and stubble.

And as I've ALWAYS SAID HERE, there is EVIL, in both parties. The RWC party is NOT going to save you or the world. Or save you from this present evil world. You've put your faith in men and not God.

So you are welcome to again assault me Haz27 with your childish rants. Most babies do who hate hearing the truth they don't like.
---kath4453 on 5/11/19

AXE. Your lies and emotional outbursts wont help you AXE.

I was actually referring to the Lefts Fake News media in Aust which typically follows whatever trends on Lefts Fake News in USA. But no doubt STEM shooting news from Leftist media has downplayed that the shooters were from within their own Leftist, queer ranks.
We know Leftists would be screaming abuse for weeks if there was even a hint of a shooter being a Christian, or Trump supporter. Remember the Covington boys?

It was good to see those students walk out on the heartless opportunistic DEMs speakers.

BTW, abortion would be better described as MURDER instead of a tragedy considering the heartless selfish reasons that are most commonly offered for it.
---Haz27 on 5/10/19

I'm against abortion as well, but when I see these laws going into effect, it makes me think of prohibition. Those wonderful Christians had their heart in the right place, but look at the horror that came out of it. For one ORGANIZED CRIME, ...and in the end it was done away with. I cringe at the thought of back alley butcher shops again opening up. Good golly, we can't even control the crime of drugs and illegal guns, child trafficking and so on.

And pushing poor folks off healthcare would endanger pregnant mothers and baby...seems like a total contradiction of thought here. Total hypocricy to me.
---kathr4453 on 5/10/19

\\Don't complain about MSM here not talking about the STEM shooting. I actually live here and it's talked about all over. \\

Haz, I agree with StrongAxe. I, too, hear the MSM talking about the horrible shooting at the STEM school for days ever since it happened.

I don't know about Australian media.

It wouldn't surprise me if comparable tragedies happen in the Antipodes, but American media would at most mention it only once.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/10/19

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Haz27, are you capable of not babbling the same garbage over and over? Even a moron can repeat itself over and over like a broken record. Are you a troll? Sounds like you are.
---kathr4453 on 5/10/19


Please remove the emotional outbursts from your own eye before criticizing kathr's.

Don't complain about MSM here not talking about the STEM shooting. I actually live here and it's talked about all over. You are so biased against the left media, you will believe any lie about it that supports your views.

I am not silent about abortion. I think it's a tragedy. But, unlike you, I favor solutions that ACTUALLY REDUCE them, like NL and DK do. You merely want to scream outrage and cast blame on the left (as always), rather than advocating solutions that are actually effective at reducing abortions. Compare abortion rates on NL and DK with those in the US to see which are more effective. Attack the cause, not the symptom!
---StrongAxe on 5/10/19

KATHR. Considering your far Left politics and your emotional outbursts defending Leftism with all it's evils, I suggest you're shooting yourself in your own foot by presenting such a transparently false facade that somehow you're not into politics.
---Haz27 on 5/10/19

1095: The First Crusade began when the Byzantine Emperor, Emperor of the Eastern Roman Empire, requested the help of the Pope to reclaim territories in Asia Minor lost to Islamic conquerors.
1095: At the Council of Clermont, the Pope called upon the princes of Western Europe to reclaim Jerusalem. Crusaders were promised absolution of all sins.
1096: While the Pope had called on the princes of Europe, the call was widely heard. In 1096, a large group of peasants attacked and killed many Jewish people living in the Rhineland of Germany.
1096: A group of 50,000 to 60,000 Europeans, including some 7,000 knights took the city of Jerusalem, establishing the Western-dominated Kingdom of Jerusalem.
---kathr4453 on 5/10/19

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Cluny, also back then the Pope reigned over Kings and we see what Henry VIII went through severing from Roman control. The Pope today holds no such power as to organize another crusade. But we do see America with Christian backing vote in presidents using our military to support ISRAEL and the Jews to secure what belongs to the Jews through God's promises......Isaiah 14 1-7. Nothing about bringing Christians back to the land. This is not what the CC then or today has supported. God never promised THE CHURCH land. The TRUE CHURCH THAT IS. So Rome wanting to reclaim Jerusalem ....reclaim from when and who? ANS: Same old Rome dressed in DRAG. OR did the CC just want another relic in its possession?
---kat453 on 5/10/19

Normally when there's a school shooting in USA our Leftist dominated media make it headline news.

But the latest shooting at STEM school Highlands is only briefly mentioned in passing.

No doubt it's because one of the shooters was trans, and the other a Christian hating DEMs Obama supporter?

Just imagine how the far Left's Fake News media would have had headlines screaming for days if the shooters were MAGA hat wearing Trump supporters, or were Christians.

The far Left's Fake News are clearly opportunistic liars who manipulate what is presented as "News" merely to further the authoritarian Left's power and privilege.
---Haz27 on 5/10/19

Cluny, I also believe seeing Isaiah 14 as in the future, since it has not been completely fulfilled as yet...(all prophecy will be fulfilled) that God doesn't need America to fulfill His Promises, and will not share that Glory with anyone, especially a gentile nation not even mentioned in Prophetic scripture to lend God a helping hand to bring those promises to pass.....and possibly WHY we have Trump in office to destroy Americas power and lead to a bankrupt nation. Because so many Christians are misled as to end times prophecy....will drink the poison kool-aid. THats why we as TRUE Christians are no longer part of this world system.....and our hope and faith is in Christ ALONE.....not politics.
---kath4453 on 5/10/19

AXE. Again your silence is consent for far more harmful Fake News lies from extremist Left. Infowars does not have anywhere near the reach that Leftists do through their dominance of media, academia, Hollywood, FB, Google, etc.

Lefty extremists like Fake News CNN, WP, NYT, etc (a couple did admit they got it wrong but were too arrogant to apologize), as well as many others including Bill Maher, Jim Carry, Kathy Griffen, etc, are rightly being sued (especially CNN as it was the worst) for their hateful vicious attacks against Covington boys that ENDANGERED their lives.

Its disappointing you defend the overwhelming volumes of harmful Fake News lies from extremist Left by pointing to a small outlet like Infowars as a deflection.
---Haz27 on 5/9/19

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So Cluny tell us why then did the Catholic Church army murder Jews on the crusades? And where in scripture is Jerusalem considered a Christian City?
---kathr4453 on 5/8/19\\

The Crusaders were NOT "the Catholic Church army".

In any case, the Orthodox were killed by Crusaders, too.

The Jews were expelled by the Pagan Romans during the time of the Caesars. So just who do you think was living in Jerusalem until the mahometans took it over?

It sure wasn't Jews.

Christ is risen.
---Cluny on 5/9/19

\\(Remember, I dated a Muslim and see the many traits in you boths\\

Traits do not make a person a mahometan.

Only religious belief does, Nicole.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/9/19


It's good then that you admit that fake news exists on both the right and the left side of the spectrum. Fake news is not bad because it's left. It's not bad because it's right. It's bad because it's fake, regardless of who does it. So when you denounce it, please be fair and denounce it on both sides.
---StrongAxe on 5/9/19

CNN also gave a retraction from the early report. They went on air a number of times and had the Covington boys give their side of the story.

But many forget that part. Fox News reporters generally tell the truth. But the Commentators who pretend to be news people lie most of the time.

Comparing CNN to Alex Jones who has caused grief to the parents of murdered children for years is not the same. He never has admitted being wrong.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/9/19

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AXE. I clearly stated earlier that I see Alex Jones as almost as bad as extremist Left's Fake News media like CNN, NYT, WP, etc. Why do you then falsely claim I did not?

But you've remained silent about the Left's Fake News hateful lies.

For example are you now willing to acknowledge the Left's Fake News hateful lies against the Covington school boys, like the cartoonist & political commentator Scott Adams did?
Scott apologised for criticising the Covington boys and admitted the entire story against the boys by CNN, etc was Fake News, saying that they had inverted the perpetrator and the victim.

These boys needed security protection thanks to Leftists threatening them due to Fake News lies from CNN, etc.
---Haz27 on 5/8/19


I just double-checked the Fox thing, and you're right, that appears to have been false news, and I apologize (See? I am willing to admit when I'm wrong, but I don't recall you ever doing so).

(Although, to be fair, Bill O'Reilly of Fox said in 2004 that Fox wasn't allowed in Canada).

You seem to use propagandistic terms like "Left Fake news" in almost every paragraph in every message, which makes your messages sound like propaganda, rather than well-researched facts.

And you STILL remain silent about InfoWars, a site that itself admitted that it's fake news.
---StrongAxe on 5/8/19

AXE. Extremist Left Fake News like CNN, NYT, WP, and our fraudulently misused tax payer funded ABC & SBS in Aust, are propaganda outlets masquerading as news.

These extremist Left Fake news media are no different to Joseph Goebbel's NAZI propaganda news.

As for your claim Fox news is banned in Canada (itself an extremist Left Big Brother thought police state), that's yet another Leftist lie.

BTW, Canada's CRTC regulations defines false or misleading news as news that the LICENSEE KNOWS is false or misleading and that endangers or is likely to endanger the lives, health or safety of the public.

You really need to get out of that extremist Left echo chamber of lies.
---Haz27 on 5/8/19


Have you ever watched InfoWars? It's a right wing extremist conspiracy site, and ADMITTED to falsifying fake allegations against Sandy Hook parents just to get ratings.

Fox News is not even allowed to broadcast in Canada, because Canada has laws that forbid propaganda masquerading as news. The U.S. used to have laws like that here too (The Fairness Doctrine), but Republicans got rid of that, which spawned propaganda organizations like Fox News.
---StrongAxe on 5/8/19

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So Cluny tell us why then did the Catholic Church army murder Jews on the crusades? And where in scripture is Jerusalem considered a Christian City?
---kathr4453 on 5/8/19

AXE. Fake News CNN, NYT, WP, etc are Leftist extremists who always push lies like Russian collusion, BUT they ignore DEMs & Facebooks collusion with far Left in Aust to interfere in our elections.

Extremist Left's Fake New targeted the Covington Boys who were racially abused by native Indians and blacks.
These boys lives were threatened as a result of the far Left's hateful lies, hence needing security protection.

The CNN liars initially conned cartoonist & political commentator Scott Adams who criticised the boys as a result. But later when facts exposing CNN's lies came out he apologized and called the entire CNN story Fake News, saying that CNN and other news sources had inverted the perpetrator and the victim.
---Haz27 on 5/8/19


You wrote: 2. As Strongaxe, you also must be a Muslim...

WHAT?! I am NOT a Muslim. This is the same slander the right constantly threw at Obama. Stop. Please stop.

(Remember, I dated a Muslim and see the many traits in you boths

And what traits would those be, exactly?


Alex Jones is a right-wing extremist, and InfoWars is his extreme right-wing propaganda site. He endorses that anti-vaxxer nut that Jerry was praising.
---StrongAxe on 5/8/19

Nicole, StrongAxe is NOT a mahometan.

He is a Christian.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/8/19

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Nicole, Christians yes, Catholics NO.

I guess it hurts seeing history repeating itself fine, stick your heads in the sand...

Also, there was no Islam during the time the original 12 Apostles were on earth, yet ther was persecution of Christians. Yes, even murdering of Christians by Jews. And it was over RELIGION....yet no where in scripture do I see any of the Apostles instruct The brethren to HATE, FORM hate groups...a fight back....etc. They were driven out of Jerusalem, not only by the Jews but by Nero...

So YOU all back up WITH SCRIPTURE, your hate mongering rethoric .....also include how they taught to falsely accuse others they were prejudice against of rape etc.....your living 2 Timothy 3 in the present.
---kathr4453 on 5/8/19

Nicole, ..even TODAY the Catholic Church supports Muslims in Jerusalem, and has for quite some time. Pope John Paul in 2000 totally sucked up to the worlds first terrorist ARAFAT in Jerusalem, never once apologized to the Jews. Even invited Arafat to the Vatican.

So you don't see this from Chriatians...only Catholics. So that's why I stated the difference. You Catholics have a selective memory concerning Israel and the Catholic Church. Christians want to give the land back to the Jews....the CATHOLICS do not, and NEVER HAVE.

There's your recent history. But since FOX is Catholic, you'll never get that truth there either. Poor fools who don't know how to read and research truth.....believe everything you hear.
---kath4453 on 5/8/19

Cluny: According to the Bible, Arabians (Muslims) have no part in Jerusalem.

Neh 2:19 But when Sanballat the Horonite, and Tobiah the servant, the Ammonite, and Geshem the ARABIAN, heard it, they laughed us to scorn, and despised us, and said, What is this thing that ye do? will ye rebel against the king?
Neh 2:20 Then answered I them, and said unto them, The God of heaven, he will prosper us, therefore we his servants will arise and build: but YE HAVE NO PORTION, nor right, nor memorial, in Jerusalem.

---jerry6593 on 5/8/19

Kathr, you know the rules.

CITE that ridiculous claim that Crusaders forced children to go to Jerusalem.

1. Can you PLEASE stay in this century.

Or at LEAST in the LAST 5 CENTURIES. (Even though you are a history revision about the Crusades)

2. As Strongaxe, you also must be a Muslim. Since you are upset that Christian's helped Jews get back their home land and KEEP it. (Remember, I dated a Muslim and see the many traits in you boths

3. Your new name Faith will be named Southern Nuthern Atlanta Baptist Church.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/7/19

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And just who did you think were the proper owners of Jerusalem?

kathr, Jerusalem was a Christian city until the mahometans stole it from them.

They had no right to do so.

The Crusades were a Christian response to mahometan jihadistaism.

Christ is risen.
---Cluny on 5/7/19

KATHR. You can't hide from that outburst of hateful abuse you displayed some time back. Others also commented about it. You can't deflect from it with deceitful allegations of me being "tender".

I'm not condoning what RCC did back then. My focus is on the evil the world faces NOW from Satan's Islam.

AXE. I see Alex Jones as almost as bad as far Left Fake News CNN, NYT, WP, BBC, etc. These hateful Fake News outlets are TEXTBOOK FRAUDSTERS.

In Aust we have far Left Fake News FRAUDSTERS like ABC, SBS which are obligated to remain impartial and provide balance. But Left's swamp here allows for Leftist FRAUDSTERS to wilfully disregard these charter obligations the ABC & SBS has to the tax payers who fund them.
---Haz27 on 5/7/19

Haz27, sorry you are so tender as to see discussion you disagree with as abusive. I'll try to be more tender towards your sensitivity, seeing you are a snowflake.

The children were SENT to Jerusalem by the Catholic Church to purge Jerusalem of Muslims because the Catholic Church and ROME wanted to have power and control over Jerusalem having no more right to Jerusalem than those who were from that part of the world. Pretty arrogant actually. Wasn't the only time ROME sent an army to take over what was not their's.

Many children died, were kidnapped and sold into slavery ..a horrible thing. But the FACT IS the Children were recruited for religious reasons.
---kathr4453 on 5/7/19

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