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What do you think about Canada putting through a bill criminalizing hate speech in public? This includes christian displays and street preaching so not to offend muslims.

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Samuel: Is that Texas has reduced health care for the poor.//

So, you rather see them death because they won't have health care?

How do you know they will sick?

BTW, PPH does NOT provide prenatal care.

Why would they?

They want to kill the baby, not bring the baby to term.

//So they want the Babies to be born. But then work so they well be born sick and die. Or make it where with no insurance they die.//


Please read your last statement 10 times to yourself.

//So why is it called pro life when the work to let the babies die?//

Maybe, so we DON'T PLAY GOD?

Why don't you let God be God and you stop pretending you are God.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/27/19


I haven't read the exact laws either, just what others in the know have said about them. Do a web searchs for Alabama miscarriage felony and Georgia miscarriage felony.

Most rapes go unreported, leaving the victim with sole responsibility. However, if the attacker is a "spread my seeds all over the world as much as possible" type, he could wait until after the statute of limitations expires, then demand a paternity test, and force himself back into the victim's life without recourse.
---StrongAxe on 5/27/19

Wow, so if the child is left at the hospital, does the state then go after child support from the father? How does that work too? All these kids in foster care...hummmm...are supported by the father?

So the birth father also has to pay the foster parents? And if these children are put up for adoption, will the rape or incest have to be disclosed? I think it does today. And there is going to be a waiting line for these children to be adopted? Well that's not gonna happen. We already see our social services taxed physically and financially to the hilt and where so many fall through the cracks and end up dead or abused. It's going to compound so many other problems along the way especially states who hate socialism programs.
---kathr4453 on 5/27/19

\\Alabama's new abortion law is so strict that if a woman has a NATURAL miscarriage, she has to PROVE that it wasn't an at-home abortion, or else she could go to prison. \\

I have not read this law, StrongAxe. Can you quote the relevant words here?

BTW, "miscarriage" is not a medical term. In medispeak it's called "spontaneous abortion."

]]So teenage girls who get raped have a choice of being stuck with their rapist's child (with Rapist Daddy having the right to visit for 18 years), or being executed.]]

The RD also has the OBLIGATION to support the child so conceived. I'm sure there is a provision for having the rape verified with the law enforcement and medical proof.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/26/19

These rapists share custody and have visitation rights until the child is 18. So even a married woman and her husband and other children are forced to have a rapist in their lives for 18 plus years. Many will just be left at the hospital and dumped on the state...even incest babies with possible health problems, that will compound welfare even more ...something they HATE. Might want to see the DOC of all those babies born in Germany ..who were left to die and starve in their cribs in orphanages.

And Cluny and Nicole scoff that suicide rates will increase...AS IT IS ALREADY KNOWN THESE GROUPS ARE ALREADY AT SUICIDE RISK..This just compounds it more. So wreckless all the way around. HOME TO ROME AND THE INQUISITION.
---kathr4453 on 5/26/19

One of the big hypocritical things missed. Is that Texas has reduced health care for the poor. Taken away prenatal care by working to close Planned Parenthood which provided prenatal care.

So they want the Babies to be born. But then work so they well be born sick and die. Or make it where with no insurance they die.

So why is it called pro life when the work to let the babies die?
---Samuelbb7 on 5/26/19


You wrote: Oddly, the Left want the minimum sentences for true criminals, but want the death penalty without a trial to babies because their fathers raped their mothers.

Alabama's new abortion law is so strict that if a woman has a NATURAL miscarriage, she has to PROVE that it wasn't an at-home abortion, or else she could go to prison. As if the poor mother isn't traumatized enough already.

Texas is right now trying to pass a death sentence for abortion. So teenage girls who get raped have a choice of being stuck with their rapist's child (with Rapist Daddy having the right to visit for 18 years), or being executed.
---StrongAxe on 5/26/19

NICOLE. I agree it's good to see Alabama standing up for right to life of the unborn.

KATHR. All my accusations against the Left are fact based. You object simply to justify your support for the Left in spite of all it's evils.

AXE. The will of God is spoken of often in Bible. Much of it is consistent with John 6:40, which itself is consistent with John 3:16, John 14:6.

You reject God's will in John 6:40 (John 3:16, John 14:6) because you're desperate to justify your heretical gospel distortion of Matt 25 where you claim there is an alternative path of salvation without the need for Jesus.

I note you did not answer my question as to what amount of good deeds is required for an ANTICHRIST person to be saved.
---Haz27 on 5/26/19

Haz, you can only PRAY for those who DO NOT voice a defense for babies being killed in the womb. Rather speak out about fake racism and media.

I am so PROUD of my State Alabama for the strongest anti-abortion law.

Oddly, the Left want the minimum sentences for true criminals, but want the death penalty without a trial to babies because their fathers raped their mothers.


Ezekiel 18:20

2 Kings 14:6
But the children of the murderers he slew not: according unto that which is written in the book of the law of Moses, wherein the LORD COMMANDED, saying, The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, nor the children be put to death for the fathers, but every man shall be put to death for his OWN sin.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/26/19


Many verses in both testaments describe the Will of God. John 6:40 is only one. Christians today cannot see Jesus, as Jesus is no longer physically here. I didn't say Christians can't do all the OTHER things.

The ONLY way Christians "cannot fulfil the Will of God" is if one assumes, incorrectly, as you do, that John 6:40 is the ONLY description of the Will of God. This is reductio ad absurdum, yet you are are so fixated on THAT ONE VERSE you cannot see past it. NO other verse says you must SEE Jesus to fulfill the Word of God.

I proved things sufficiently time and time again. If you cannot see it even now, I will not bother WASTING MY TIME talking to deaf ears to try to do so again.
---StrongAxe on 5/26/19

Haz27 has issues Cluny and will throw out any and all slanderous statements because there is hate in his heart. Much like the hate of the pharisees who falsely accused Jesus, because they didnt like what He said, or the pharisees who hated Paul and Peter as well. Its just part of the nature of the unsanctified ...or carnal minded or those lost.

Haz27 simply does not understand why THE CHURCH is *CALLED OUT*....he doesnt know what *CALLED OUT* MEANS, and because of his ignorance, has to go the way of thin skinned Trump with childish attacks and name calling, as the new way FAKE CHRISTIANS are NOW acting...shipwrecking their faith.
---kathr4453 on 5/26/19

Haz27's bazaar accusations is just another reason no one here takes him/ her seriously. To throw out false accusations totally off the wall only shows how ignorant Haz27 is. So keep it up Haz27......self disqualifying yourself from any credible conversation.

We all understand what a counter punch is.....but if your counter punch is a bold face LIE...You are a FAKE CHRISTIAN and a very small person.
---kat453 on 5/26/19

KATHR. Your support for the hateful Left with their baby genocide, racism, sexism, lies, Christophobia, and poverty creation, etc, is NOT Holy, as you deceitfully claim for yourself. Dont let your itching ears lead you astray. \\

Haz, nothing you have said about kathr is even close to the truth.

I admit kathr and I have some differences, but I certainly would NEVER accuse her of "christophobia."

Why are you doing so? What has she actually said that leads you to this statement?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/25/19

KATHR. Your support for the hateful Left with their baby genocide, racism, sexism, lies, Christophobia, and poverty creation, etc, is NOT Holy, as you deceitfully claim for yourself. Dont let your itching ears lead you astray.

AXE. Your claim that Christians CANNOT do the will of God Jesus described in John 6:40 (which confirms John 3:16) is your deceitful attempt to justify your heretical doctrine from Matt 25 that Jesus is somehow NOT the only way to salvation.

You have repeatedly failed to show anything to indicate that your heretical distortion from Matt 25 is not somehow a denial of John 14:6.

Gal 1:8,9 warns you of the outcome of your heretical claim that Jesus is not the only way of salvation.
---Haz27 on 5/25/19


I have repeatedly pointed out that the Will of God is mentioned in many other places in the Bible other than John 6:40, and Christians DO fulfil that, but you are so fixated on that one verse, that you can't see anything else.

I've repeatedly shown you how Matthew 25 does NOT deny John 14:16, but again, you are so obsessed with your own theological interpreration that you ignore that.

I have NOT painted myself into a corner. My "corner" has many large doors out of it, but you're so obsessed with thinking inside the box, that you are oblivious to them.

Your stubborn pride in insisting that your own interpretation of the Word of God is the only possible one will only end badly for you.
---StrongAxe on 5/25/19

The definition of Holiness is to be set apart. God set Israel apart from the rest of the world. God has also set His CHURCH apart from the world...this is why we are Crucified to the world and the world to us...translated out of this present evil age into the Kingdom of His dear Son, Jesus Christ. This Haz27 calls left wing propaganda. HARDLY! Sorry, it's anything BUT.

Its obeying...BE HE HOLY AS HE IS HOLY. HAz27 accuses ANYONE of being the enemy if they don't follow his UNSANCTIFIED MIND. BEWARE OF THOSE LIKE HAZ27 WHO CLAIM TO BE CHRISTIAN.

Be YE Holy...means to be separate from this come OUT of this world and be not judged with her, which includes right wing nuts as well.
---kathr4453 on 5/25/19

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AXE. YOU are rendering the Word of God null and void with your worldly interpretations.

You claim Christians CANNOT do the will of God in John 6:40, in spite of scriptures saying Christians actually DO the will of God.

And you've created a false gospel out of your flawed interpretation of Matt 25, which denies John 14:6.

You've painted yourself into a corner on such topics and no matter how many ways your error is explained to you, you just remain stuck in your corner insisting you have not painted yourself into a corner.

Your stubborn pride in denying the Word of God will only end badly for you.
---Haz27 on 5/24/19


When scripture tells us something, that "hidden wisdom" is IN ADDITION TO what is plainly said, not INSTEAD OF what is plainly said.

The Pharisees made this same mistake with their Korban rule. Scripture says "Honor your father and your mother". Rabbis said if you vowed money to God, that money was exempt from helping your parents, as God is more important than your parents. The first three commandments come before the fifth.

But Jesus said their own interpretations CHANGED the meaning of what God PLAINLY WROTE, and thus rendered the Word of God null and void. You are doing EXACTLY THE SAME THING by saying the "hidden meaning" is more important than what God plainly wrote.
---StrongAxe on 5/24/19

AXE. The Word of God says it's "HIDDEN wisdom", "MYSTERIES of Heaven", "SPIRITUALLY discerned", yet you reject this.

YOU said NOBODY today can SEE Jesus, and thus fulfil John 6:40.
If NOBODY can FULFIL (accomplish, attain, perform) the will of God in John 6:40 then that means you're saying they cannot do the will of God in John 6:40.

You can't dig yourself out of this hole either, Axe.

KATHR. Considering your politically motivated hate and bigotry, your attacks against me are clearly projections of your own characteristics learned from your Leftist cult. Your "itching ears" (2Tim 4:3,4) for the Left's lies will only lead you astray.
---Haz27 on 5/24/19


Yet again, you take something I say, and twist it to mean something else. I did NOT say "nobody can do the will of God". I said "Nobody today can SEE Jesus, and thus fulfil John 6:40". There are many other verses in the Bible that also tell us the Will of God - the only reason you could possibly reach the conclusion you did is by being SO FIXATED on John 6:40 that you ignore everything else.

On the other hand, Jesus speaks of helping others in MANY other places, not only Matthew 25.

You claim that I miss the hidden wisdom in Matthew 25:31-46, yet you miss its very plain message. You are so obsessed with finding the Hidden Forest, that you can't even see trees when you walk right into them.
---StrongAxe on 5/24/19

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SAMUEL. You really need to follow Jesus, instead of your "itching ears" for the cult of Leftism.

It's you heartless Lefties who are the haters, as demonstrated by the baby genocide, racism, sexism, poverty, child abuse, dysfunction, Christophobia, etc that so characterizes the greedy Left.

AXE. Those scriptures I quoted did not define the will of God, as John 6:40 does. They simply spoke of Christians DOING THE WILL OF GOD. Obviously you read those scriptures I quoted so superficially that you missed their message about DOING God's will.

John 6:40 tells us what is God's will, which YOU REJECT.

In Matt 7:23 Jesus says to those who do not do God's will: I never knew you, Depart from me..."
---Haz27 on 5/24/19

I agree with Cluny...a little leaven ruins the whole lump. haz27 mixes leaven with his version of a bogus Gospel that teaches sinlessness. ALSO Mixing the worlds politics with Christianity is no Gospel at all. That in itself is an accursed gospel...OR DOES THE VERSE SAY THE PERSON IS ACCURSED, who brings another Gospel. Paul, Peter NEVER brought a Gospel that included world politics. Those who do ARE ACCURSED of God. Nothing to scoff at here. But Haz27 will scoff at God.
---kathr4453 on 5/24/19

\\Here's part of Gal 1:8,9 again for you to consider on your false gospel.
if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed\\

Do you mean people like YOU, Haz?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/24/19

Great verses Haz. Now when will you work to love others as Jesus did? When will you love your enemies and people you oppose?

When will you be kind to all on this site and every where?
---Samuelbb7 on 5/23/19

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Jesus said the greatest commandments (i.e. what God WANTS us to do) were "Love God", and "Love your neighbor as yourself", and elsewhere "love your enemy".

I said nothing against Eph 5:17. John 9:31, Eph 6:6, Heb 10:36, 1 John 2:17. Note **NONE** of these command us to SEE Jesus, so we are all able to do them (unlike John 6:40, which was only possible to those in Jesus' day who were actually able to see him).

I can't speak for Australia, but American conservatives want to exclude foreigners, and to cut food, shelter, and aid to the poor - demonstrating "hate your neighbor". Republican politicians use political dirty tricks, demonstrating "hate your enemy" too.
---StrongAxe on 5/23/19

AXE. You are spiritually blind/deaf hence you claim that NOBODY can do the will of God... in contradiction of the Word of God.

It also explains why you fail to understand Matt 25 where you create a different gospel where some ambiguous minimum standard of good physical deeds are an alternative path of salvation than through Jesus (John 3:16).

You fail to see the HIDDEN wisdom in Matt 25:31-46, and being thus limited by your worldly understanding you fabricate a heretical doctrine from it that denies John 14:6.

Here's part of Gal 1:8,9 again for you to consider on your false gospel.
if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed
---Haz27 on 5/23/19

\\John 9:31 ...God does not hear sinners, but if anyone is a worshiper of God and DOES HIS WILL, He hears him\\

Haz, this was said by the Savior's enemies.

Why did you quote it here?

And which of us on these blogs (including you, including me) is NOT a sinner?

BTW--if you say that you have no sin, you deceive yourself, and the truth is NOT IN YOU, according to 1 John.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/23/19


No, it doesn't. There you go again, taking something God PLAINLY WROTE for everyone to understand. Then you insert your own words like "only" that are neither stated nor implied, to render the word of God null and void, just so you can change with it means to something totally different, to absolve you and all your conservative friends from doing what God plainly commanded.

When the final judgment comes, you will find yourself in that very same predicament, being rejected for disobeying Jesus's commandment, and totally clueless as to how you did that, because you interpreted it to mean something different than what he said.
---StrongAxe on 5/23/19

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AXE. You said: "NOBODY can do the will of God because we cannot physically see Jesus.

You contradict the Word of God.

Eph 5:17 Therefore do not be unwise, but UNDERSTAND WHAT THE WILL OF THE LORD IS

John 9:31 ...God does not hear sinners, but if anyone is a worshiper of God and DOES HIS WILL, He hears him

Eph 6:6 as bondservants of Christ, DOING THE WILL OF GOD from the heart

Heb 10:36 For you have need of endurance, so that after you have DONE THE WILL OF GOD, you may receive the promise.

1John 2:17 the world is passing away, and the lust of it, but he who DOES THE WILL OF GOD abides forever
---Haz27 on 5/23/19

kathr, please reread what I said on 22 May, and read it carefully.

I never said there were other ways to salvation.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/23/19

The other sheep not in this fold is not saying there is another way to heaven.

When God said, I will have Mercy on whom I will have Mercy, He was talking about Israel the Nation....not salvation of individuals arbitrarily.
---kathr4453 on 5/22/19

AXE. God's word is SPIRITUALLY discerned (Matt 13:10-15).
1Cor 2:7-14 we speak the wisdom of God in a MYSTERY, even the HIDDEN wisdom....we also speak, not in words which mans wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches... the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Matt 25 refers only to SPIRITUALLY needy lost souls.
Whilst Christians do also offer physical help to physically needy, it's not based on Matt 25.

The best help for the physically needy comes by preaching gospel, because if they SEEK FIRST kingdom of God & His righteousness, then physical needs are met by God (Matt 6:31-33).
---Haz27 on 5/22/19

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\\ There are not MANY WAYS that lead to Salvation.
---kathr4453 on 5/22/19\\

I admit that anyone who is saved is saved by Jesus.

But He Himself said, "I have other sheep who are not of this fold."

And in the OT, God says, "I will have mercy on whomsoever I have mercy."

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/22/19

Also remember Jesus said that while still on earth. No one can come to the Father...AKA SALVATION ETERNAL LIFE, ,except THROUGH His Son. There are not MANY WAYS that lead to Salvation.
---kathr4453 on 5/22/19


You spritualize everything. Yes, some words have spiritual meanings IN ADDITION to their plain, ordinary meanings, but these do not REPLACE their plain ordinary meanings.

Jesus said hating or lusting was tantamount to murder or adultery in your heart, so he extended "don't kill or commit adultery" to "don't hate or lust", but that doesn't mean it's OK to physically kill someone without spiritual hate or physically cheat without spiritual lust.

Feeding a spiritually hungry person the Gospel is FINE, but that doesn't exempt you from feeding a physically hungry person food. By nullifying the plain meaning, you change God's word, just as the Pharisees who made the Korban exception (Mark 7:8-13).
---StrongAxe on 5/22/19

AXE. You claim that you CANNOT SEE Jesus, the WORD OF GOD (John 1:1, Rev 19:13).

In addition your lack of spiritual discernment (1Cor 2:14) of the HIDDEN wisdom (1Cor 2:7) in the WORD OF GOD indicates that you are not eating/drinking of Jesus (the WORD OF GOD) our SPIRITUAL food/drink (1Cor 10:3,4).

And you also preach a different gospel (through your heretical doctrine on Matt 25) that denies John 14:6.

This all suggests you're not a Christian.
---Haz27 on 5/22/19

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Once again, you explain away and contradict ACTUAL words Jesus said to conform to your own beliefs. Talk about preaching a different gospel!

John 6:20:
This is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son ***AND*** BELIEVES IN HIM may have everlasting life, and I will raise him up at the last day.

There are TWO requirements here. 1) see the Son, and 2) believe in him. Ever since 33 AD, nobody has been able to meet the first requirement.

Nothing here that says this is the ONLY will of the Father. The Bible lists many other things God wants. Many other scriptures say how to be saved. However, because you are OBSESSED with this ONE SCRIPTURE, you arrive at erroneous conclusions.
---StrongAxe on 5/22/19

CLUNY. Have you truly not (spiritually) seen Jesus, the WORD(John 1:1)?

In fact true Christians even eat and drink of him because he is spiritual food/drink for them (1Cor 10:3,4).

Rev 19:13 also calls Jesus the WORD OF GOD.
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The WORD OF GOD.

True Christians HAVE SEEN Jesus (the Word of God), and they believe on him, thus doing the will of God, John 6:40.
---Haz27 on 5/22/19

\\John 6:40 tells us clearly that the will of God is that we believe on Jesus and thus have everlasting life. \\

Haz, you conveniently left out the Savior's on words about "seeing" Him.

Why did you do this?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/21/19

AXE. You always dig yourself into ever deeper holes.

Now you claim NOBODY can do the will of God because we cannot physically see Jesus, in spite of Jesus saying in Matt 7:21 that only those who DO THE WILL of God enter Heaven.

Again you see merely as a SPIRITUALLY BLIND natural person does (1Cor 2:14), unable to see Jesus Christ, the WORD OF GOD (John 1:1).

You're like doubting Thomas who needed PHYSICAL evidence.
Remember Jesus said to him Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed John 20:29.

Matt 13:13-15 explains why you're so spiritually blind/deaf.
Gal 1:8,9 describes the outcome when preaching a different gospel.
---Haz27 on 5/22/19

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Well we now have the verse, blessed are those who don't see but believe, stated AFTER Jesus resurrection, and is still in effect today seeing today no one can physically see Jesus Christ.

It's Gods will ...God is not WILLING that any man parish, but we see how man CAN PARISH, and that is by MANS OWN WILL...seeing we have FREE WILL.

In other words Strongaxe, that verse is refuting the false doctrine of Calvinism.

Many have seen, and believed, also not seen and believed and have fulfilled Gods will. On the day of Pentecost over 3000 in one day fulfilled Gods will. Fulfill here does not mean universal salvation.
---kathr4453 on 5/22/19


I'm saying that NOBODY TODAY can fulfil John 6:40, since nobody today has seen Jesus. If you base your ENTIRE THEOLOGY about filfilling the will of God on John 6:40, everybody today loses.

This is why we CANNOT base our theology on a single verse, but MUST take the ENTIRE word of God into consideration.

John 6:40 tells us clearly that the will of God is that we believe on Jesus and thus have everlasting life.

No. You must see the Son AND believe on him. You fail if you don't believe him. You ALSO fail if you don't see him. Learn some elementary logic.
---StrongAxe on 5/21/19

AXE. You're not making much sense. Are you saying that nobody can do the will of God?

John 6:40 tells us clearly that the will of God is that we believe on Jesus and thus have everlasting life.

You contradict this scripture and also John 14:6 with your false gospel where you claim that believing on Jesus is NOT necessary because doing some ambiguous minimum standard of good deeds is an alternative to salvation through Jesus.

You can't claim you do not contradict John 6:40 and John 14:6 when you clearly do contradict these scriptures.
---Haz27 on 5/21/19


And you think you do? Since Jesus' ascencion, nobody has "seen" him, so NO Christians in the top 19+ centuries (INCLUDING you) could fulfil this. If you accuse me of violating John 6:40, so do you.

I SPECIFICALLY said I don't deny John 14:6, so stop constantly saying I did.

Your mistake is that you base your entire theology on one or two verses, ignoring everything else that might elaborate

Yes, the Bible contains hidden wisdom - IN ADDITION to what it plainly says, not REPLACING what it plainly says.

But none of this has anything to do with Canada Hate Speech laws.
---StrongAxe on 5/21/19

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AXE. You did not know what the will of God is, as Jesus described in John 6:40.
this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and BELIEVES IN HIM may have everlasting life, and I will raise him up at the last day

But your heretical doctrine (which denies John 14:6 & 6:40) claims that those who do NOT believe in Jesus (hence antichrist) did the will of God and thus are sheep in Matt 25, based on your alternative gospel of good deeds.

Gal 1:8, 9 describes the position of those who preach a different gospel.
---Haz27 on 5/20/19

AXE. God's HIDDEN wisdom (1Cor 2:7) is SPIRITUALLY discerned (1Cor 2:14). Your ears & eyes are closed (Matt 13:10-15) soou do not receive MYSTERIES of God's kingdom.

The spiritually hungry/thirsty are the lost who lack Jesus our spiritual food/drink (1Cor 10:3,4).
The spiritually naked are the lost who lack robes of righteousness, garment of salvation (Isa 61:10).
The spiritual strangers are the lost who are strangers from covenants of promise & household of God (Eph 2:12,19).

This view of Matt 25 is consistent with God's will in John 6:40 (which you didn't even know).

BUT YOUR heretical doctrine DENIES John 14:6. You claim the alternative to Jesus is doing some ambiguous minimum standard of good deeds.
---Haz27 on 5/20/19

\\ It is upsetting to me that any SDA (or any Christian for that matter) is a Democrat. Do you have any Democrats in your Orthodox church?

I haven't seen anywhere that Samuel said he's a Democrat.

NO Church, including the Orthodox, has an automatic political agenda as part of its statement of faith.

kathr had some pointed remarks about this in the thread about having to be a Christian to be president.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/20/19


Matthew 25 SPECIFICALLY says feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit the sick. YOU are not content with what God ACTUALLY SAID. Like Pharisees before, you re-interpret what he said to totally nullify it, and make it mean something completely different that you happen to believe.

The Law said "honor your father and mother", but Pharisees said if you vowed money to God, your vow took precedence over the commandment. Jesus said, NO it didn't. DO WHAT GOD ACTUALLY SAYS, not second-guess God by reading between the lines, pretending you are somehow divining some hidden spiritual interpretation. God asked us to follow his word, not read his mind.

By your own interpretation, you render God's word null and void.
---StrongAxe on 5/20/19

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cluny: "jerry, are you aware that Samuel is also SDA?"

Yes, I am very much aware of it. It is upsetting to me that any SDA (or any Christian for that matter) is a Democrat. Do you have any Democrats in your Orthodox church?

---jerry6593 on 5/20/19

you glorify the pope & your SUN god is risen.
---mike on 5/19/19\\


I worship the Sun of Righteousness, and not a solar deity.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/19/19

AXE. You obviously dont know what the will of God is. Jesus even tells us what it is in the gospel of John.

The Sheep in Matt 25 are preaching the gospel to lost souls (who dont know Jesus). Its lost souls who are the SPIRITUALLY hungry, thirsty, sick, naked, strangers, as described in scripture.

Your heretical gospel claims that those who dont know Jesus (thus ANTICHRIST) can still get to Heaven without Jesus merely because they did some ambiguous minimum standard of good physical deeds for the physically needy.

Your heretical gospel denies John 14:6.

CLUNY. Read on to the next verse Ezekiel 16:50.
---Haz27 on 5/19/19


Yes, Matthew 7:21-23 go hand in hand with Matthew 25. What did Jesus say the two greatest commandments were? Love God, and love your neighbor.

What are the sheep doing in Matthew 25? Feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, comforting the sick - these are all demonstrating love for their neighbor. THIS is the Will of God.

The goats in Matthew 25 didn't do this. Neither did the ones rejected in Matthew 7. They thought they were doing God's will by doing great works, and miracles, and prophecies, and all kinds of other flashy "religious" works that they thought would impress God. But God isn't impressed by all that. That's not what he wants at all. He wants us to love our neighbor.
---StrongAxe on 5/19/19

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SAMUEL. For past several decades it's the Left (that YOU support) who are the obvious haters, deceitfully vilifying anyone who opposes the Left's authoritarian aims, deviancy, racism, sexism, baby genocide, etc.
I suggest you stop defending such evil.

CLUNY. Rom 2:1 is likewise not applicable when quoting God's warning about His judgements against the likes of LGBTQ and those who approvingly glorify it.

BTW, I agree with your efforts praying outside those clinics. I see others doing the same here in Aust.

---Haz27 on 5/19/19

cluny - tyranicide is morally just.

really? why did US support dictators in the 60s, 70s, 80. US overthrew the democratically elected of Iran & replaced it with dictator SHAH. why? bec of the OIL not democracy. what about Marcos? war criminal ronald reagan even supported him. why? the bases. rumsfled even shook hands with saddam. what about noriega? so i find your answer double standard.

you glorify the pope & your SUN god is risen.
---mike on 5/19/19

jerry, are you aware that Samuel is also SDA?

Richard C and Haz: If you really want to know the sin of Sodom, read Ezekiel 16:49.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/19/19

Jude 1:7 - Even as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication , and going after strange flesh, are set forth an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
---RichardC on 5/19/19

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AXE. You said I SPECIFICALLY said that many who do not know Jesus, yet do his will.....

Doing Gods will is the KEY, as Jesus tells us in Matt 7 when differentiating between true and fake Christians.

Matt 7:21-23.
Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who DOES THE WILL of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name? And then I will declare to them, I never knew you, depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!.

So what is the will of God that Jesus refers to here?
And are the sheep in Matt 25, and you also, doing this will of God?
---Haz27 on 5/18/19


Romans 2:1 has NOTHING to do with abortion.

And for your information, I was named as a defendant in a $39 million suit entered by the abortuaries in my home town.

They think my praying silently across the street did them that much damage.

I sure hope so!

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/19/19

Sam: "So why do you spread hate."

You've got to be kidding. It is you leftists that hate Trump 24/7/365. Do you think that, as Christians, we should support (by our free speech) the Biblical position on Religion, Gender Identification, Abortion, Sexual Perversion, law and order, etc.? If you do, then you can't be a Democrat!

---jerry6593 on 5/19/19

CLUNY. you fail to understand Rom 2:1, hence you avoid my question.

God is the judge. His word in Rom 1 describes outcome for LGBTQ, etc.
Christians quoting Gods word on His judgements are not judging.

God judges those outside church (1Cor 5:13), and Christians warn of Gods judgement in Rom 1.
Christians dont judge fellow Christians righteousness by deeds of law as were under grace. Any Christian who does wrong (e.g LGBTQ) is disciplined (Heb 12).
But Christians do judge any fake Christians preaching false gospel (1Cor 5:12).

AXE. Your false gospel on Matt 25 denies John 14:6 as you claim non-Christians (thus antiChrist) enter Heaven based on some ambiguous minimum standard of good deeds for the needy.
---Haz27 on 5/18/19

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I did NOT deny John 14:6. I SPECIFICALLY said that many who do not know Jesus, yet do his will, are saved through him even if they don't know it.
---StrongAxe on 5/18/19

\\CLUNY. Are you saying Rom 2:1 says you're guilty of judging those who abort/kill babies, and thus guilty of the same?\\

Now who's deflecting, Haz?

You know that Romans 2:1 is to be read in light of what you yourself quoted from Romans 1.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/18/19

2 John 1:10 - If there come any unto you, and not bring this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed.

Luke 6:26 - Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
---RichardC on 5/18/19

AXE. You preach FALSE gospel denying John 14:6. See consequences in Gal 1:7-9.

Your posts show you support the increasing authoritarianism of todays PC Left tyranny with it's growing Orwellian thought policing. STOP LYING TO COVER THIS UP, AXE.

Jesus said life gets worse (Matt 24). I already told you ANTI CHRIST authoritarian Left & Islamists are driving this, and we can't stop it.

OT law fulfilled at cross (Col 2:14). Jesus declared all foods clean. But he did not say LGBTQ, murder, adultery, etc was OK. You twist God's word to fit deviant Left's approving glorification of LGBTQ.

CLUNY. Are you saying Rom 2:1 says you're guilty of judging those who abort/kill babies, and thus guilty of the same?
---Haz27 on 5/18/19

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Tearing apart the first amendment? You mean like Trump saying anyone who speaks against him should be arrested?


Jesus said his kingdom is not of this world. He told us to preach the gospel to the world, NOT rule it politically. He could have railed against political corruption in his world, especially from Rome, since there as much there aplenty. But he didn't.

However, many Christians, especially those on the right, think they know better, and try taking over the world for Jesus.

Show ONE THING I have ever said that I "long" for an authoritarian state OF ANY KIND. I do not. I am all for free speech and freedom of conscience.
---StrongAxe on 5/17/19

AXE. It really should be very obvious why there's so much opposition to so called "hate" laws.

It all comes down to the fact that the Marxist Left (aka authoritarian hateful bigots) dominate the megaphones of society, major political parties like the DEMs, and also the Swamp, big tech FB, Goulag, U.N, etc.

Such people, including equally hateful ideologies like supremacist Islam, should NEVER be allowed to remove our free speech rights, dictating what can be said or thought.

Like I said to you before, it seems that you long for an authoritarian Leftist Orwellian Big Brother government enforcing their thought policing.
---Haz27 on 5/17/19

The Consitution is the only thing that is keeping communism from taking over. That's why they are tearing it apart little by little especially concerning the first and second amendments.

Our founding fathers wrote and spoke about how the Constitution allows anyone to do whatever they want, but it is the bible that keeps them from doing anything they want. And since America, and the world, has turned their backs on God there will be a great falling away from the faith in the end days.

The hate laws may sound good and dandy, but it has an ulterior motive - to silence God's word.
---Steveng on 5/17/19


Our freedom of speech is not absolute. It's illegal to shout, "Fire!" in a crowded theatre, unless it actually is on fire.

Slander and perjury are also illegal.

Jesus said that those who take up the gun shall die by the gun--or something like that.


Thomas Aquinas taught that tyranicide is morally just.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/17/19

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I agree Strong Ax

Jerry so you are good with promoting hate?

I remember Jesus said to love your enemies. So why do you spread hate. It is the haters who will come after the Christians in the last day. So why are you joining with the hateful?
---Samuelbb7 on 5/17/19


I wonder why Christians would object to laws criminalizing hate against ANYONE? Do they thing that hating is a GOOD thing? Especially when Jesus taught us to love God, love our neighbor, and love our neighbor? Whom, exactly, are we SUPPOSED to hate?
---StrongAxe on 5/16/19

The leftist, progressive, marxist, liberal, communist, democrats in the US have been attacking freedom of speech for some time now. All hate speech legislation is a violation of our Constitutional right to free speech. They also attack our other Constitutional rights such as the prohibition of open worship anywhere and the right to keep and bear arms.

May God help Canada.

Leftism was spawned by Satan and never quits.

---jerry6593 on 5/17/19

i saw televangelists like falwell jr, robertson, jeffress preach on TV that God says it is OK to kill dictators or approve the iraq war bec their president is a republican. even falwell jr. prohibit 'correcting' trump & call it 'hate' speech.
---mike on 5/16/19

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The Marxist Left (hateful authoritarian bigots) are imposing their so called "hate" laws simply to attack our rights & freedoms.

Aust is likely to have a new far Left government next week. The Left's leader (soon to be facing historical rape charges now that witnesses have been tracked down) has promised legislation attacking free speech critical of their gender bending efforts upon school children.

And just like in Canada, Aust likewise has a Muslim politician pushing for her far Left party to introduce Islam's Sharia blasphemy law under the hate laws.

Orwell warned of a future authoritarian Big Brother government and it's thought policing. We now know that it comes from Leftists and their Islamist allies.
---Haz27 on 5/16/19

"What do you think about Canada putting through a bill criminalizing hate speech in public? Steveng what qualifies as "hate speech" according to their new bill?? How is it applied to "christian displays" or "street preaching"?
---josef on 5/16/19

What should we do about your own hate speech against what you call "worldly denominational churches," and the lies you tell about them?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/16/19

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