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Canada Hate Bill For Speech

What do you think about Canada putting through a bill criminalizing hate speech in public? This includes christian displays and street preaching so not to offend muslims.

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\\ There are not MANY WAYS that lead to Salvation.
---kathr4453 on 5/22/19\\

I admit that anyone who is saved is saved by Jesus.

But He Himself said, "I have other sheep who are not of this fold."

And in the OT, God says, "I will have mercy on whomsoever I have mercy."

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/22/19

Also remember Jesus said that while still on earth. No one can come to the Father...AKA SALVATION ETERNAL LIFE, ,except THROUGH His Son. There are not MANY WAYS that lead to Salvation.
---kathr4453 on 5/22/19


You spritualize everything. Yes, some words have spiritual meanings IN ADDITION to their plain, ordinary meanings, but these do not REPLACE their plain ordinary meanings.

Jesus said hating or lusting was tantamount to murder or adultery in your heart, so he extended "don't kill or commit adultery" to "don't hate or lust", but that doesn't mean it's OK to physically kill someone without spiritual hate or physically cheat without spiritual lust.

Feeding a spiritually hungry person the Gospel is FINE, but that doesn't exempt you from feeding a physically hungry person food. By nullifying the plain meaning, you change God's word, just as the Pharisees who made the Korban exception (Mark 7:8-13).
---StrongAxe on 5/22/19

AXE. You claim that you CANNOT SEE Jesus, the WORD OF GOD (John 1:1, Rev 19:13).

In addition your lack of spiritual discernment (1Cor 2:14) of the HIDDEN wisdom (1Cor 2:7) in the WORD OF GOD indicates that you are not eating/drinking of Jesus (the WORD OF GOD) our SPIRITUAL food/drink (1Cor 10:3,4).

And you also preach a different gospel (through your heretical doctrine on Matt 25) that denies John 14:6.

This all suggests you're not a Christian.
---Haz27 on 5/22/19


Once again, you explain away and contradict ACTUAL words Jesus said to conform to your own beliefs. Talk about preaching a different gospel!

John 6:20:
This is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son ***AND*** BELIEVES IN HIM may have everlasting life, and I will raise him up at the last day.

There are TWO requirements here. 1) see the Son, and 2) believe in him. Ever since 33 AD, nobody has been able to meet the first requirement.

Nothing here that says this is the ONLY will of the Father. The Bible lists many other things God wants. Many other scriptures say how to be saved. However, because you are OBSESSED with this ONE SCRIPTURE, you arrive at erroneous conclusions.
---StrongAxe on 5/22/19

CLUNY. Have you truly not (spiritually) seen Jesus, the WORD(John 1:1)?

In fact true Christians even eat and drink of him because he is spiritual food/drink for them (1Cor 10:3,4).

Rev 19:13 also calls Jesus the WORD OF GOD.
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The WORD OF GOD.

True Christians HAVE SEEN Jesus (the Word of God), and they believe on him, thus doing the will of God, John 6:40.
---Haz27 on 5/22/19

\\John 6:40 tells us clearly that the will of God is that we believe on Jesus and thus have everlasting life. \\

Haz, you conveniently left out the Savior's on words about "seeing" Him.

Why did you do this?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/21/19

AXE. You always dig yourself into ever deeper holes.

Now you claim NOBODY can do the will of God because we cannot physically see Jesus, in spite of Jesus saying in Matt 7:21 that only those who DO THE WILL of God enter Heaven.

Again you see merely as a SPIRITUALLY BLIND natural person does (1Cor 2:14), unable to see Jesus Christ, the WORD OF GOD (John 1:1).

You're like doubting Thomas who needed PHYSICAL evidence.
Remember Jesus said to him Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed John 20:29.

Matt 13:13-15 explains why you're so spiritually blind/deaf.
Gal 1:8,9 describes the outcome when preaching a different gospel.
---Haz27 on 5/22/19

Well we now have the verse, blessed are those who don't see but believe, stated AFTER Jesus resurrection, and is still in effect today seeing today no one can physically see Jesus Christ.

It's Gods will ...God is not WILLING that any man parish, but we see how man CAN PARISH, and that is by MANS OWN WILL...seeing we have FREE WILL.

In other words Strongaxe, that verse is refuting the false doctrine of Calvinism.

Many have seen, and believed, also not seen and believed and have fulfilled Gods will. On the day of Pentecost over 3000 in one day fulfilled Gods will. Fulfill here does not mean universal salvation.
---kathr4453 on 5/22/19


I'm saying that NOBODY TODAY can fulfil John 6:40, since nobody today has seen Jesus. If you base your ENTIRE THEOLOGY about filfilling the will of God on John 6:40, everybody today loses.

This is why we CANNOT base our theology on a single verse, but MUST take the ENTIRE word of God into consideration.

John 6:40 tells us clearly that the will of God is that we believe on Jesus and thus have everlasting life.

No. You must see the Son AND believe on him. You fail if you don't believe him. You ALSO fail if you don't see him. Learn some elementary logic.
---StrongAxe on 5/21/19

AXE. You're not making much sense. Are you saying that nobody can do the will of God?

John 6:40 tells us clearly that the will of God is that we believe on Jesus and thus have everlasting life.

You contradict this scripture and also John 14:6 with your false gospel where you claim that believing on Jesus is NOT necessary because doing some ambiguous minimum standard of good deeds is an alternative to salvation through Jesus.

You can't claim you do not contradict John 6:40 and John 14:6 when you clearly do contradict these scriptures.
---Haz27 on 5/21/19


And you think you do? Since Jesus' ascencion, nobody has "seen" him, so NO Christians in the top 19+ centuries (INCLUDING you) could fulfil this. If you accuse me of violating John 6:40, so do you.

I SPECIFICALLY said I don't deny John 14:6, so stop constantly saying I did.

Your mistake is that you base your entire theology on one or two verses, ignoring everything else that might elaborate

Yes, the Bible contains hidden wisdom - IN ADDITION to what it plainly says, not REPLACING what it plainly says.

But none of this has anything to do with Canada Hate Speech laws.
---StrongAxe on 5/21/19

AXE. You did not know what the will of God is, as Jesus described in John 6:40.
this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and BELIEVES IN HIM may have everlasting life, and I will raise him up at the last day

But your heretical doctrine (which denies John 14:6 & 6:40) claims that those who do NOT believe in Jesus (hence antichrist) did the will of God and thus are sheep in Matt 25, based on your alternative gospel of good deeds.

Gal 1:8, 9 describes the position of those who preach a different gospel.
---Haz27 on 5/20/19

AXE. God's HIDDEN wisdom (1Cor 2:7) is SPIRITUALLY discerned (1Cor 2:14). Your ears & eyes are closed (Matt 13:10-15) soou do not receive MYSTERIES of God's kingdom.

The spiritually hungry/thirsty are the lost who lack Jesus our spiritual food/drink (1Cor 10:3,4).
The spiritually naked are the lost who lack robes of righteousness, garment of salvation (Isa 61:10).
The spiritual strangers are the lost who are strangers from covenants of promise & household of God (Eph 2:12,19).

This view of Matt 25 is consistent with God's will in John 6:40 (which you didn't even know).

BUT YOUR heretical doctrine DENIES John 14:6. You claim the alternative to Jesus is doing some ambiguous minimum standard of good deeds.
---Haz27 on 5/20/19

\\ It is upsetting to me that any SDA (or any Christian for that matter) is a Democrat. Do you have any Democrats in your Orthodox church?

I haven't seen anywhere that Samuel said he's a Democrat.

NO Church, including the Orthodox, has an automatic political agenda as part of its statement of faith.

kathr had some pointed remarks about this in the thread about having to be a Christian to be president.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/20/19


Matthew 25 SPECIFICALLY says feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit the sick. YOU are not content with what God ACTUALLY SAID. Like Pharisees before, you re-interpret what he said to totally nullify it, and make it mean something completely different that you happen to believe.

The Law said "honor your father and mother", but Pharisees said if you vowed money to God, your vow took precedence over the commandment. Jesus said, NO it didn't. DO WHAT GOD ACTUALLY SAYS, not second-guess God by reading between the lines, pretending you are somehow divining some hidden spiritual interpretation. God asked us to follow his word, not read his mind.

By your own interpretation, you render God's word null and void.
---StrongAxe on 5/20/19

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cluny: "jerry, are you aware that Samuel is also SDA?"

Yes, I am very much aware of it. It is upsetting to me that any SDA (or any Christian for that matter) is a Democrat. Do you have any Democrats in your Orthodox church?

---jerry6593 on 5/20/19

you glorify the pope & your SUN god is risen.
---mike on 5/19/19\\


I worship the Sun of Righteousness, and not a solar deity.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/19/19

AXE. You obviously dont know what the will of God is. Jesus even tells us what it is in the gospel of John.

The Sheep in Matt 25 are preaching the gospel to lost souls (who dont know Jesus). Its lost souls who are the SPIRITUALLY hungry, thirsty, sick, naked, strangers, as described in scripture.

Your heretical gospel claims that those who dont know Jesus (thus ANTICHRIST) can still get to Heaven without Jesus merely because they did some ambiguous minimum standard of good physical deeds for the physically needy.

Your heretical gospel denies John 14:6.

CLUNY. Read on to the next verse Ezekiel 16:50.
---Haz27 on 5/19/19


Yes, Matthew 7:21-23 go hand in hand with Matthew 25. What did Jesus say the two greatest commandments were? Love God, and love your neighbor.

What are the sheep doing in Matthew 25? Feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, comforting the sick - these are all demonstrating love for their neighbor. THIS is the Will of God.

The goats in Matthew 25 didn't do this. Neither did the ones rejected in Matthew 7. They thought they were doing God's will by doing great works, and miracles, and prophecies, and all kinds of other flashy "religious" works that they thought would impress God. But God isn't impressed by all that. That's not what he wants at all. He wants us to love our neighbor.
---StrongAxe on 5/19/19

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SAMUEL. For past several decades it's the Left (that YOU support) who are the obvious haters, deceitfully vilifying anyone who opposes the Left's authoritarian aims, deviancy, racism, sexism, baby genocide, etc.
I suggest you stop defending such evil.

CLUNY. Rom 2:1 is likewise not applicable when quoting God's warning about His judgements against the likes of LGBTQ and those who approvingly glorify it.

BTW, I agree with your efforts praying outside those clinics. I see others doing the same here in Aust.

---Haz27 on 5/19/19

cluny - tyranicide is morally just.

really? why did US support dictators in the 60s, 70s, 80. US overthrew the democratically elected of Iran & replaced it with dictator SHAH. why? bec of the OIL not democracy. what about Marcos? war criminal ronald reagan even supported him. why? the bases. rumsfled even shook hands with saddam. what about noriega? so i find your answer double standard.

you glorify the pope & your SUN god is risen.
---mike on 5/19/19

jerry, are you aware that Samuel is also SDA?

Richard C and Haz: If you really want to know the sin of Sodom, read Ezekiel 16:49.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/19/19

Jude 1:7 - Even as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication , and going after strange flesh, are set forth an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
---RichardC on 5/19/19

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AXE. You said I SPECIFICALLY said that many who do not know Jesus, yet do his will.....

Doing Gods will is the KEY, as Jesus tells us in Matt 7 when differentiating between true and fake Christians.

Matt 7:21-23.
Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who DOES THE WILL of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name? And then I will declare to them, I never knew you, depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!.

So what is the will of God that Jesus refers to here?
And are the sheep in Matt 25, and you also, doing this will of God?
---Haz27 on 5/18/19


Romans 2:1 has NOTHING to do with abortion.

And for your information, I was named as a defendant in a $39 million suit entered by the abortuaries in my home town.

They think my praying silently across the street did them that much damage.

I sure hope so!

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/19/19

Sam: "So why do you spread hate."

You've got to be kidding. It is you leftists that hate Trump 24/7/365. Do you think that, as Christians, we should support (by our free speech) the Biblical position on Religion, Gender Identification, Abortion, Sexual Perversion, law and order, etc.? If you do, then you can't be a Democrat!

---jerry6593 on 5/19/19

CLUNY. you fail to understand Rom 2:1, hence you avoid my question.

God is the judge. His word in Rom 1 describes outcome for LGBTQ, etc.
Christians quoting Gods word on His judgements are not judging.

God judges those outside church (1Cor 5:13), and Christians warn of Gods judgement in Rom 1.
Christians dont judge fellow Christians righteousness by deeds of law as were under grace. Any Christian who does wrong (e.g LGBTQ) is disciplined (Heb 12).
But Christians do judge any fake Christians preaching false gospel (1Cor 5:12).

AXE. Your false gospel on Matt 25 denies John 14:6 as you claim non-Christians (thus antiChrist) enter Heaven based on some ambiguous minimum standard of good deeds for the needy.
---Haz27 on 5/18/19

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I did NOT deny John 14:6. I SPECIFICALLY said that many who do not know Jesus, yet do his will, are saved through him even if they don't know it.
---StrongAxe on 5/18/19

\\CLUNY. Are you saying Rom 2:1 says you're guilty of judging those who abort/kill babies, and thus guilty of the same?\\

Now who's deflecting, Haz?

You know that Romans 2:1 is to be read in light of what you yourself quoted from Romans 1.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/18/19

2 John 1:10 - If there come any unto you, and not bring this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed.

Luke 6:26 - Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
---RichardC on 5/18/19

AXE. You preach FALSE gospel denying John 14:6. See consequences in Gal 1:7-9.

Your posts show you support the increasing authoritarianism of todays PC Left tyranny with it's growing Orwellian thought policing. STOP LYING TO COVER THIS UP, AXE.

Jesus said life gets worse (Matt 24). I already told you ANTI CHRIST authoritarian Left & Islamists are driving this, and we can't stop it.

OT law fulfilled at cross (Col 2:14). Jesus declared all foods clean. But he did not say LGBTQ, murder, adultery, etc was OK. You twist God's word to fit deviant Left's approving glorification of LGBTQ.

CLUNY. Are you saying Rom 2:1 says you're guilty of judging those who abort/kill babies, and thus guilty of the same?
---Haz27 on 5/18/19

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Tearing apart the first amendment? You mean like Trump saying anyone who speaks against him should be arrested?


Jesus said his kingdom is not of this world. He told us to preach the gospel to the world, NOT rule it politically. He could have railed against political corruption in his world, especially from Rome, since there as much there aplenty. But he didn't.

However, many Christians, especially those on the right, think they know better, and try taking over the world for Jesus.

Show ONE THING I have ever said that I "long" for an authoritarian state OF ANY KIND. I do not. I am all for free speech and freedom of conscience.
---StrongAxe on 5/17/19

AXE. It really should be very obvious why there's so much opposition to so called "hate" laws.

It all comes down to the fact that the Marxist Left (aka authoritarian hateful bigots) dominate the megaphones of society, major political parties like the DEMs, and also the Swamp, big tech FB, Goulag, U.N, etc.

Such people, including equally hateful ideologies like supremacist Islam, should NEVER be allowed to remove our free speech rights, dictating what can be said or thought.

Like I said to you before, it seems that you long for an authoritarian Leftist Orwellian Big Brother government enforcing their thought policing.
---Haz27 on 5/17/19

The Consitution is the only thing that is keeping communism from taking over. That's why they are tearing it apart little by little especially concerning the first and second amendments.

Our founding fathers wrote and spoke about how the Constitution allows anyone to do whatever they want, but it is the bible that keeps them from doing anything they want. And since America, and the world, has turned their backs on God there will be a great falling away from the faith in the end days.

The hate laws may sound good and dandy, but it has an ulterior motive - to silence God's word.
---Steveng on 5/17/19


Our freedom of speech is not absolute. It's illegal to shout, "Fire!" in a crowded theatre, unless it actually is on fire.

Slander and perjury are also illegal.

Jesus said that those who take up the gun shall die by the gun--or something like that.


Thomas Aquinas taught that tyranicide is morally just.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/17/19

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I agree Strong Ax

Jerry so you are good with promoting hate?

I remember Jesus said to love your enemies. So why do you spread hate. It is the haters who will come after the Christians in the last day. So why are you joining with the hateful?
---Samuelbb7 on 5/17/19


I wonder why Christians would object to laws criminalizing hate against ANYONE? Do they thing that hating is a GOOD thing? Especially when Jesus taught us to love God, love our neighbor, and love our neighbor? Whom, exactly, are we SUPPOSED to hate?
---StrongAxe on 5/16/19

The leftist, progressive, marxist, liberal, communist, democrats in the US have been attacking freedom of speech for some time now. All hate speech legislation is a violation of our Constitutional right to free speech. They also attack our other Constitutional rights such as the prohibition of open worship anywhere and the right to keep and bear arms.

May God help Canada.

Leftism was spawned by Satan and never quits.

---jerry6593 on 5/17/19

i saw televangelists like falwell jr, robertson, jeffress preach on TV that God says it is OK to kill dictators or approve the iraq war bec their president is a republican. even falwell jr. prohibit 'correcting' trump & call it 'hate' speech.
---mike on 5/16/19

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The Marxist Left (hateful authoritarian bigots) are imposing their so called "hate" laws simply to attack our rights & freedoms.

Aust is likely to have a new far Left government next week. The Left's leader (soon to be facing historical rape charges now that witnesses have been tracked down) has promised legislation attacking free speech critical of their gender bending efforts upon school children.

And just like in Canada, Aust likewise has a Muslim politician pushing for her far Left party to introduce Islam's Sharia blasphemy law under the hate laws.

Orwell warned of a future authoritarian Big Brother government and it's thought policing. We now know that it comes from Leftists and their Islamist allies.
---Haz27 on 5/16/19

"What do you think about Canada putting through a bill criminalizing hate speech in public? Steveng what qualifies as "hate speech" according to their new bill?? How is it applied to "christian displays" or "street preaching"?
---josef on 5/16/19

What should we do about your own hate speech against what you call "worldly denominational churches," and the lies you tell about them?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/16/19

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