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Was Hitler Left Or Right

Was Hitler on the Left or Right?

Hitler was evil, and I don't defend him. However, he was against Stalin and Marx. He was a Nationalist Socialist, where as Marx and Stalin were International Socialists. The end point is the same, but read Das Kapital and Mein Kampf to understand the difference.

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jerry6593:

See: Trump's Racism: An Oral History - The Atlantic

The Justice Department filed a 1973 lawsuit against Trump Management Company focused on 39 NYC properties. Employees were directed to tell African Americans there were no vacancies. Company policy was to rent only to "Jews and executives".

NAACP sent black and white couples to Trump Village. Black couples were told no vacancies. After subpoenaning documents, black applications had a big C on them.

He took out full-page ads calling for execution of black and Latino Central Park Five (for raping a white woman in 1989). In 2002 DNA evidence proved their innocence. Trump called that settlement a disgrace and in 2016 still insisted on their guilt.
---StrongAxe on 6/1/19


Cluny: StrongAxe is pro-life, as am I.//

You keep telling yourself that if you think it consoles you.

Haz, John and I know better.

Ever heard of a true old sayings during the 50's and 60's by a Southerner Man speaking to a Northerner Man about Black People?

Southerner Man: "We love the Individual Black Man, but HATE the Black Race. But you Northerners HATE the Individual Black Man, but LOVE the Black Race."

//We both agree there is more to this issue than merely stopping abortion, or talking about how horrible it is.
Do you understand?//

LOUD AND CLEAR.

You are just like the Northerners

You both LOVE Abortion rights, but HATE babies' rights to live.

Do you understand?
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/1/19


Hitler was a murderous, Jew-hating, LEFTIST, SOCIALIST. He had much in common with today's Democrat Party.



---jerry6593 on 6/1/19


Haz27:

No. You didn't "expose" it. You just disagreed with it. I showed you actual numbers. Do you have actual numbers that say otherwise? If so, show them.

But note how you still have not answered my question on how many good deeds are required for someone who does NOT KNOW Jesus (thus they're ANTI CHRIST) to still be saved by their deeds.

Because, like almost everything else in life, this is not quantifiable. It's not as if someone who does 49 good deeds goes to hell and someone who does 50 goes to heaven. This is the fallacy of black-and-white thinking. However, "by their fruits you will know them". You can tell if someone loves his neighbor (as Jesus commanded) by their actions.
---StrongAxe on 5/31/19


Haz:

First, what I shared with you about Strongaxe I shared in love for strongaxe to ask you to please pray for him that the Lord will graciously save him and ask the Lord for wisdom on how to discuss with him in meaningful dialog...

As far as Kathr lol she just cant engage me in a Meaningful substantive Dialog all she has is immature tactics she's funny to me I cant take her serious smileing face with tears of joy :-)

Soli Deo Gloria
---john9346 on 5/31/19




Haz, I'm telling you again:

StrongAxe is pro-life, as am I.

We both agree there is more to this issue than merely stopping abortion, or talking about how horrible it is.

Do you understand?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/31/19


AXE. I was not criticizing you on your occasional paraphrasing me rather than cut & pasting my quote. I understand your reasons. Also I'm not interested in criticizing others about paraphrasing, spelling/grammar errors anyway. I was merely pointing out the double standards of KATHR in her attack against JOHN

As for "your" so called facts, I challenged them, having already exposed your false claims about Netherlands being "lowest" abortion rate worldwide, the Big Switch lie, Nazism, Xenophobia, poverty, etc.

But note how you still have not answered my question on how many good deeds are required for someone who does NOT KNOW Jesus (thus they're ANTI CHRIST) to still be saved by their deeds.
---Haz27 on 5/31/19


Haz27:

You say you "see right through my tactics", yet you are unable to challenge my facts. Why is that?

I don't like being confronted with embarrassing realities?!

Porn consumption and teen pregnancy are highest in Christian conservative Republican states.
Among those same states, Georgia, Florida, Michigan, and North Carolina have higher abortion rates than the national average.

What about THOSE embarrassing realities? DON'T lay America's moral problems solely on Democrats.
---StrongAxe on 5/31/19


AXE. The reason why I keep challenging your repetitive deflections from the DEMs baby genocide platform is because I see right through your tactics.

You deflect, you obfuscate, you avoid answering questions that expose your flawed views, these are just some of the more common tactics you've used on the various topics we've debated.

You obviously don't like being confronted with the embarrassing realities that reveal your shameful beliefs.
---Haz27 on 5/31/19


Haz27:

You wrote: AXE. I refer to the DEMs baby genocide that results in the killing of approx 16,000 babies per week.

Yes, I know, you keep saying it over and over again. But I wonder WHY you keep saying it? It's because you are obsessed with CASTING BLAME.

I have shown you a way that has been proven to kill FEWER BABIES, yet you ignore that, because you just want to KEEP CASTING BLAME.

BTW, the Netherlands allows abortion on demand up to the 21st week. Their abortion rates are similar to that seen in USA.

No. Netherlands abortion rate is 5-7/1000 women of reproductive age - LOWEST rate in the world. USA was 29.3 in 1980-81, and 11.8 in 2015, around TWICE that of the Netherlands.
---StrongAxe on 5/31/19




SAMUEL. I have to agree with CLUNY on his reply to you about abortion versus adoption and the human rights of the baby.

You have exposed your politically motivated double standards.
I've always recognized the insincerity of your posturing about "Love", and here you are heartlessly supporting the arguments for the killing of the inconvenient unborn when they are in fact wanted and loved by others, and have the right to life just as you do.

AXE.
FYI abortions rates per 1000 women in Denmark is 17.72%, compared to USA 17.13%.

Aust is 16.56%
Sweden is 25.35%
Russia 37.28%
Cuba 46.69%

Poland 0.14%
UAE 0.17%
Qatar 0.40%
Mexico 0.76%
Malta 0.87%
Chile 0.02%
---Haz27 on 5/31/19


AXE. I refer to the DEMs baby genocide that results in the killing of approx 16,000 babies per week.

Your deflection from the DEMs baby genocide could be likened to a couple of Germans in 1930's Germany debating the NAZI's persecution of Jews, and when one of them is critical of the Socialist NAZIs over this the other one (a Socialist NAZI supporter) deflects by saying Muslim nations have a system that treats Jews better as there they're only discriminated against as 2nd class citizens, instead of being put in camps or killed.

BTW, the Netherlands allows abortion on demand up to the 21st week. Their abortion rates are similar to that seen in USA.
---Haz27 on 5/30/19


\\When a Goverment makes laws that force people to keep a child they cannot afford and don't want. Isn't that coercion. Is that not forcing people to accept a religious view they disagree with?\\

Not really.

Abortion is not a religious issue. It's a human rights issue.

As one pro=life group says, "Human rights start when human life begins."

NOBODY is required to keep a new=born child.

Every city in the USA has facilities where neonates can be brought and surrendered without questions.

EVERY child is a wanted child by somebody. That's why there's adoption.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/30/19


When a Goverment makes laws that force people to keep a child they cannot afford and don't want. Isn't that coercion. Is that not forcing people to accept a religious view they disagree with?

So they are being forced to do what they are told. By others. Others who have taken away help for them when they are pregnant. Who will not help the newborns with insurance. So those who are leading this movement. Are they not the ones doing the forcing?
---Samuelbb7 on 5/30/19


\\Prov 1:7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge,
But fools despise wisdom and instruction.
---Haz27 on 5/29/19\\

That's right, Haz.

You sure do despise instruction.

Christ isrisen!
---Cluny on 5/30/19


Haz27:

Oh really? And just what "DEMs baby genocide platform" IS that, exactly, that differs with "other nations", and just exactly which "other nations" would that be? Be specific.

I have mentioned Denmark and the Netherlands, BOTH of whom are MUCH MORE SUCCESSFUL at reducing abortions than the U.S., yet you have ***NEVER*** addressed this, nor explained how they manage this DESPITE making abortions legal.

"Ignore the baby genocide in USA"? I am NOT ignoring it. I'm saying those other countries have a BETTER WAY to stop it than failed Republican attempts, but you would rather curse the darkness than turn on the light.
---StrongAxe on 5/30/19


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AXE. You can repeat your deflections like a broken record as many times as you like, but it won't change the fact that the DEMs baby genocide platform is NOT the same as what happens in other nations.

It remains that all your attempts to ignore the baby genocide in USA by hoping to shift debate elsewhere is nothing more than a heartless disregard for the unborn in USA, all just to protect your Leftist masters.

The Socialist Left's record of genocide over the past 100 years would exceed even that of murderous Islam.

Oppressive authoritarian ideologies like Socialism and Islam need to be opposed, for the good of humanity.
---Haz27 on 5/30/19


Haz27:

You wrote: When discussing DEMs baby genocide, those concerned about such crimes keep on topic. BUT Lefty's like you deflect to irrelevant nations merely to protect your political masters from scrutiny.

This is NOT a blog on "DEMs baby genocide", so your constant harping on that, despite it being off-topic is DEFLECTION.

*MY* heartless disregard for the unborn?! I tell you ways that are PROVEN to kill fewer unborn, yet you COMPLETELY IGNORE them, because you would RATHER condemn Democrats than you would save children. Your hatred for Democrats is greater than your love for children.
---StrongAxe on 5/30/19


CLUNY. I suggest you reflect on Prov 1:7 to see that its the Christians/sheep who are smarter as they realize that God is where true wisdom resides. The lost/goats are simply stupid fools.

Prov 1:7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge,
But fools despise wisdom and instruction
.
---Haz27 on 5/29/19


Haz, I recall hearing a priest who had been a shepherd in his youth.

He said that sheep are noisy, smelly, and stupid.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/29/19


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AXE. Hate is at core of oppressive ideologies like Socialism, thus it's YOU who is the hater.

When discussing DEMs baby genocide, those concerned about such crimes keep on topic. BUT Lefty's like you deflect to irrelevant nations merely to protect your political masters from scrutiny.

Your heartless disregard for the unborn merely to defend your DEMS suggests you do not love, as Jesus commanded (John 13:34).

Add to this your heretical gospel claiming an alternative path to salvation without the need for Jesus, then these 2 things suggest you're not a Christian.

It's time you repent, leave your heartless Leftist cult of hate, and instead believe on Jesus (the ONLY way to salvation, John 14:6).
---Haz27 on 5/29/19


Haz27:

Why are you CONSTANTLY harping on "DEMs baby genocide"? Why are you SO OBSESSED WITH CONDEMNATION rather than with saving baby lives? I heep pointing out ways that are proven to save baby lives, but you don't want to hear them because you are SO FIXATED ON HATRED AND ACCUSATION AND CONDEMNATION. Where did you learn SUCH VIRULENT HATRED?! Certainly not from Jesus!

From the way you talk, if you had the choice between saving a baby or executing a Democrat, you would let the baby die, just so you could execute the Democrat, because condemnation seems much more important to you than salvation.

Hatred and love cannot coexist in the same heart. Repent your hatred before you are truly lost.
---StrongAxe on 5/29/19


AXE. You CERTAINLY DO deflect from the DEMs baby genocide. How can you say otherwise when you deflect to other nations instead of the DEMs baby genocide platform?
There's no point talking about OTHER nations policies, etc when it has NO RELEVANCE to what the DEMs are doing.

YOU clearly said CHRISTIANS ARE STUPID when you said "Sheep are stupid animals.... Note which Jesus favors"

I disproved your claim by quoting Prov 1:7 which indicates that Christians/sheep are smarter as we seek God's wisdom, whereas the lost/goats are "FOOLS".

BTW, NOBODY, whether lost or saved is "self-sufficient" as you claim about the lost/goats. God is the provider, and without His provision NOBODY survives.
---Haz27 on 5/29/19


Haz27:

I do NOT deflect from "socialist left genocide of babies". I specifically point out solutions that ARE PROVEN TO KILL FEWER BABIES, yet you always ignore that. YOU are the one who is always deflecting, preferring to constantly cast blame than to accept solutions that ACTUALLY WORK.

I did NOT claim Christians are stupid. Why do you CONSTANTLY LIE about what I say?

I said Jesus called his own followers SHEEP - creatures who are not self-sufficient, but who need to trust their own shepherd to take care of them. Matthew 25 talks about Jesus separating righteous sheep from unrighteous goats.
---StrongAxe on 5/28/19


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\\
You need to take your disagreement with God up with Him.
---Haz27 on 5/28/19\\

Haz, please tell us where God said ANYTHING about socialism.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/28/19


AXE. Like I said, politicians in Scandinavian nations deny the claims from Leftists, etc that they're Socialists.

Many of Sweden's leaders, etc are Islamophiles. These racist Lefties denigrate Sweden's identity whilst praising and defending racist Muslim supremacists who migrate to Sweden to take advantage of the welfare lure.

We see the same in Aust where it's the Left who are the racists denigrating our identity whilst they praise Muslim supremacists and any other identity that is inconsistent with mainstream Australia.

Racism is clearly a core principle of the Socialist Left, both now and historically.

Based on your Lefty logic, nations like Japan, Saudi Arabia, etc would be leading examples of Xenophobia.
---Haz27 on 5/28/19


AXE. Stop deflecting from the Socialist Left DEMs genocide of babies. When the issue is about the DEMs you always try to direct attention elsewhere.

As for Scandinavian nations, their own politicians say that they are NOT Socialist, Instead they claim to be market economies. When Sweden tried to go more Socialist some years back their economy started tanking so they so they turned away from it.

YOU'RE the one claiming that Christians are "stupid". But God indicates in Prov 1:7 that Christians are smart enough to seek knowledge from God, whilst the lost are "Fools" rejecting God's wisdom, instruction.

You need to take your disagreement with God up with Him.
---Haz27 on 5/28/19


Haz27:

You wrote: AXE. And yet Karl Marx shared similar views to Hitler on inferior races needing to be eradicated.

Xenophobia is a characteristic of totalitarianism, NOT socialism. You keep mixing these two up. They are sometimes found together (as in all of the (failed) communist countries we have ever seen), but they are NOT the same. It's possible to have totalitarianism and xenophobia without socialism (e.g. Fascism), and it's possible to have socialism without totalitarianism and xenophobia (e.g. Sweden).
---StrongAxe on 5/28/19


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Haz27:

You keep parroting that. However, as I keep pointing out but you keep ignoring, countries like Denmark and Netherlands have much LOWER abortion rates than the U.S. The U.S. has the highest rate of infant mortality in the developed world, much higher than "socialist" countries like Sweden. All of these "socialist" countries provide comprehensive infrastrutures like safety nets and health care to make sure that people live long healthy lives, and have longer life expectencies than the U.S. Who is genocidal NOW?

Ask ANY farmer about sheep and goats. Jesus calls his followers SHEEP. Argue with HIM, not ME.
---StrongAxe on 5/28/19


AXE. And yet Karl Marx shared similar views to Hitler on inferior races needing to be eradicated.

Socialism (whether National like Nazism or International, i.e Communism) has proven by it's record that it's a genocidal authoritarian ideology that subjugates peoples, restricts their freedoms, and where poverty, dysfunction, decline, etc is the norm.

The oppressive, genocidal Socialist Left with it's hate for Christianity and humanity cannot be likened to Jesus Christ, the shepherd of the sheep.

BTW, Christians/sheep are not stupid as you suggest.
It's the lost (goats) who are fools rejecting God.

Prov 1:7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge,
But fools despise wisdom and instruction
---Haz27 on 5/27/19


Haz27:

Hitler's genocide was not just "inferior races". The old, infirm, or mentally ill were exterminated, even "superior" Aryans, because they were not useful workers.

Socialism treats people as children who must be care for by a nanny state. Capitalism treats people as adults who must care for themselves, and sink or swim on their own. It is a very Darwinian "shark eat shark", "survival of the fittest" theory. Hitler's "strong survive, exterminate the weak" is a much more extreme form of the same thing.

Sheep are stupid animals that must be taken care of, while goats are independent and much more self-sufficient. Note which Jesus favors.
---StrongAxe on 5/27/19


\\
The early church kept EVERYTHING in common. That was not just socialism, it was downright communism.\\

Note carefully: Communism yes, but it was NOT Marxism.

This is the basis of the vow of poverty in monasteries, convents, and other religious communities.

BTW, people should know that they must find their own means of support. They are NOT paid by the various churches.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/26/19


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AXE. Hitler's SOCIALIST Left handouts, etc were for the superior Aryan peoples. Just because he got rid of (and thus excluded) those he saw as inferior does not mean he's not Socialist. Your arguments are very poor.

As for Trump, he spoke of the treason from corrupt Leftist DEMs people in the FBI, etc.
It was a journalist who raised the question of killing these people, which Trump did not answer.
---Haz27 on 5/26/19


Dictatorship or one person rule can name their government many things. It is still one person saying they have all the power and refusing to submit to the power of the Government and the rules of law.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/26/19


AXE. Hitler's SOCIALIST Left handouts, health care, housing, education, etc were for the "superior" Aryan peoples.
The Nazi's Socialist welfare is much like that of the Left TODAY.

And just as the Socialist NAZI's got rid of what they deemed unwanted peoples, and the Communist Stalin got rid of what he deemed as unwanted peoples, TODAY we see the Left getting rid of what they deem to be unwanted babies.

The genocidal Socialist Left TODAY is little different to the genocidal Socialist Left under Stalin & Hitler.

As for Trump, he spoke of the treason from corrupt Leftist DEMs people in the FBI, etc.
It was a journalist who raised the prospect of killing these people, which Trump did not answer.
---Haz27 on 5/26/19


Nicole_Lacey:

Do you use public libraries and roads, or rely on police, fire department, etc.? Those are all socialist programs. Or would you rather have to rent personal bodyguards, personal fire protection (like they had in Rome), etc.?

The early church kept EVERYTHING in common. That was not just socialism, it was downright communism.

If your brother comes and takes your car, you will probably let him, because you love your brother. If another person comes over and takes it, and you complain "he's taking my stuff!", you're saying you love yourself MORE than your neighbor.

Whining about socialism is a DIRECT contradiction of "love your neighbor as you love yourself".
---StrongAxe on 5/26/19


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Monk, the only difference is in the way/route of tricking the people to the SAME END.

Why would we care?

Socialist in ANY FORM is evil.

People are harmed and killed by the Government.

When you tell people their rights comes from the Government and NOT from God it also means their rights CAN BE TAKEN AWAY from the Government.

Men will NEVER be Just, Generous, Good or Merciful as God.

Even David had that understanding.

2 Samuel 24:14
Then David said to Gad, I am in great distress. Let us fall into the hand of the Lord, for his mercy is great, but let me NOT fall into the hand of man.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/26/19


Haz27:

Only if you were a productive worker they could milk for labor. "Useless eaters" - people who were not productive workers (e.g. elderly, sick, mentally ill, etc.) were considered a drain on society. They were not inefficiently provided retirement and disability benefits, as a socialist society would. Instead, they were efficiently shipped off to death camps. This is a capitalist "sink or swim" attitude.

American Republicans have a similar attitude - cutting support programs like food stamps, health care, social security. If you can't afford to support yourself, you might as well just die.

Just this week, Trump mentioned executing some of his enemies for treason. Wake up and smell the Zyklon B!
---StrongAxe on 5/26/19


AXE. My parents lived under NAZI occupation so Ive heard from them, and others, about it. And it was always about the occupation, & persecution of Jews.

Germans under NAZI Socialist regime could access socialized free health care, free education & child care, food stamps, housing, etc.

Sadly, you are the product of far Left propaganda revisionist lies.

Whether it be Nazism, Fascism, Big Switch, Aboriginal Stolen generations, etc, the far Left who dominate megaphones of society use these influential institutions to brainwash the naive.

George Orwell warned of such a deceitful authoritarian tyranny just like what we see today from the Left.
Ex Communists Yuri Bezmanov & David Horowitz, likewise.
---Haz27 on 5/25/19


kathr, David Duke served in the Louisiana Legislature, and that's all I said.

This was 1989-1993.

Maybe your stroke is impairing your cognitive function.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/25/19


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kathr, how dare you say such a hateful thing to Cluny?

OTOH, perhaps you know from personal experience the irritability caused by diaper rash.

And make sure you are taking your own meds.

Be sure to talk to your dr. and pastor about the outbursts of hate you show on these blogs.

Until you apologize to Cluny, I'm going to ignore everything you say.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/25/19


Haz27:

Just because the Nazis called themselves Socialist, doesn't mean they were. North Korea calls itself the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea", but it is none of those things. Communist countries routinely used the name "People's Democratic Republic" lie for the same reason. Totalitarian regimes rely on PROPAGANDA to conceal their true purposes.

Despite your purported hatred of Nazism, you take Nazis and Hitler at their word.

How would YOU know anything about Nazism, anyway? Did you study economics? Did you have any friends or relatives who lived there during that time? I did. And it was anything BUT socialist.
---StrongAxe on 5/25/19


KATHR. Liberals today are denouncing the Left, such as DEMs, etc.
I hear many liberals expressing concern that the authoritarian Left dominate political parties like DEMs.

Liberals and Leftists are not the same.

BTW, note the Socialist Left policies of NAZIs.
Socialised free health care.
Day care & education for children were free.
High schools were taken over by government, and college tuition subsidized.
Everyone entitled to free handouts, such as food stamps, clothing, housing.

Then there was the Gestapo (thought police), who hunted down anyone disobeying the NAZI regime.
We see the same from Left TODAY, where they persecute anyone guilty of wrong think on LGBTQ, Islam, climate change, etc
---Haz27 on 5/25/19


Cluny learn to READ. You're so obsessed with ones spelling or perfect punctuation...again a neurotic personality disorder, that you can't see that ONE CAN RUN, BUT NOT WIN. HE RAN! AS A REPUBLICAN. And did not win..He also RAN for president in 1992 ,as a REPUBLICAN just like the 24+ Dems RUNNING for president today. Are you really that stupid, or just argumentative making yourself look stupid?

Go take your meds Cluny, and please get someone to change that diaper. Diaper rash does cause irritability.

Go find someone else to stalk too.
---kathr4453 on 5/24/19


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AXE. NAZI = SOCIALIST German Workers Party.

Hitler's commentary confirms the fact that he was a Socialist Lefty.

The Fascist Mussolini and Giovani Gentile were also Socialist Lefties.

Fascism & Nazism were NATIONAL Socialists.

Your flawed view of Fascism/Nazism comes from being brainwashed by the far Left who dominate mainstream media, Hollywood, academia, politics, etc.
---Haz27 on 5/24/19


\\( Correction) David Dukes was a "one term" REPUBLICAN in the House of Representatives before running as a REPUBLICAN for Congress. \\

You're still wrong.

David Duke (no S at the end) never served in Congress. He served a term in the Louisiana state legislature.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/24/19


Haz27:

I agree communist depots like Stalin and Mao murdered millions. But fascists like Hitler were on the RIGHT. RIGHTIST despots also murdered millions. The reason was NOT because they were leftists but because they were AUTOCRATIC DESPOTS.

Yes, concensus does not ALWAYS mean truth, but it does more often than not. God gave all of us common sense, and most people use it to some extent. If someone says "2+2=5" contrary to everyone else, it is much more likely that he's a crackpot than that he's a visionary. Crackpots are common. Visionaries are rare.

Your crackpot theory that Hitler was a leftist (solely because you hate the left and must necessarily attribute all evil to them alone) won't change facts.
---StrongAxe on 5/24/19


Haz27, do you all have PUBLIC libraries and if so, have you ever used one? Ever, I mean from school age on up? Were you sent to private school,or public school? Did your parents ever take advantage of public immunization..say like Polio Vaccines or the booster given afterwards? Do you all individually own your own private fire department, or do you just let personal property burn down? Have you ever had to call the police or call for help in any way?

If you answer YES to ANY of the above YOU are a LIBERAL.
---kathr4453 on 5/24/19


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SAMUEL. The DEMs are STILL very racist.
BTW, the DEMs claim about the Big Switch is just another of their Big Lies.
Virtually all of the racist Dixiecrats STAYED with the DEMs.
As for the voters, the changing demographics in the south saw the racist DEMs lose their hold there.

AXE. Socialist Lefties Stalin & Mao EACH murdered far more people than the Socialist Lefty Hitler.

The Socialist Left's horrendous record of genocide proves how evil Socialism's authoritarianism truly is.

Your "consensus" ploy on history (renowned for being subject to the biases of the dominant regimes) won't change facts. It only proves how brainwashed you are.
You need to get out of that Leftist echo chamber of lies.
---Haz27 on 5/24/19


( Correction) David Dukes was a "one term" REPUBLICAN in the House of Representatives before running as a REPUBLICAN for Congress. He did serve......a prision sentence....and is today a staunch supporter of Donald Trump. These White Supremacist are part of the 36% of Trumps base.

As I said Haz27.. HERE IN THE USA, the yesteryear Southern Democrats are today's Republican Party. WE ALL KNOW THIS, so when someone tries to make your statement blaming Dems, we know they are talking out of their own ignorance in hopes to gather followers of our most ignorant population. We do have a lot of ignorant people here who believe everything they are told, because they can't read.
---kathr4453 on 5/24/19


Haz27 - Your wrong - Fascism is a form of radical right wing, authoritarian - It's far right - research it out ,
---RichardC on 5/23/19


\\Yes, left-wing Stalin murdered 8 million Ukrainians,\\

Actually, it was 23 million Ukrainians, as well as millions of Russians.

However, you're correct. Both left wing AND right wing extremists wind up meeting at the middle.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/24/19


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Empires built on hate and lies are really the same. Whether they claim they are right or left.

Their goal is one man or one group of man rule. In real Democratic socialism. No one man rule. But elected officials. Who actually serve the people.

The Democrats used to be very racist. But then they switches and the Republicans got their racist voters.

What is important. Is that Christians are to love and care for anyone. Enemies or not. No matter the skin color. But racism is found in some who name Jesus as their savior. That is very sad.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/23/19


Haz27:

And Trump was a liberal pro-choice Democrat before he realized that he would gather more followers by pretending to be a conservative Republican.

Yes, left-wing Stalin murdered 8 million Ukrainians, but right-wing Hitler murdered 6 million Jews, and 6 million others. You keep saying Hitler was a left-wing socialist, but almost everyone in the world disagrees with you. Authoritarianism is toxic at both extremes.

Increasing wages and decreasing working week are socialist programs, regardless of who does them. Capitalism relies on market forces, and you see that in America - people working 2-3 jobs just to make ends week and having less vacation time than anywhere else in the civilized world.
---StrongAxe on 5/23/19


Haz27, I simply don't agree with all you stand for. sorry. I personally believe TODAY there are more white supremacist in the a Republican Party than in the left. That's why those who may be Dems actually run on a republican ticket, because there is more of a stronghold in the Republican Party. I also don't advocate capitalism at any cost. Who knows what the heck has been going on with Manifort , Trump etc and their ill gains from what and wear...as we see the Republicans having no moral compass in wanting disclosure of these immoral gains, shares their guilt. I wouldn't change my mind on that even if Trump passed a $20 an hour minimum wage. Some people just can't be bought with filthy lucre. Go ahead and keep your 30 pcs of silver.
---kathr4453 on 5/23/19


Jerry 6593 said, "Hitler was decidedly LEFT - as are all SOCIALISTS."

Jerry, not so. The repression is the same, the torturing and murder on a grand scale are the same, but the stated goals are different. Hitler was interested in "Pure German blood."

Marx (et al) was interested in freeing the workers of the world, and all of them joining in the Worker's Paradise. But look at Venezuela, or Ukraine, or Berlin before the wall came down.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/23/19


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KATHR. KKK was renowned for being the domestic terrorist arm of DEMs.

Bill Clinton even said that to get anywhere in DEMs you had to be a member of KKK.

And don't forget how DEMs praised their colleague sen. Byrd (former exalted cyclops in the KKK) in 2010 at his funeral.

The southern DEMs remained the DEMs. The so called Big Switch was just another Big Lie from the DEMs and Leftist revisionists.

The KKK is now an insignificant group that neither the DEMs nor REPs support.

But in regards to racism & anti-Semitism, that is still very much part of the Left's DNA.
---Haz27 on 5/23/19


\\Failed as a democrat, succeeded as a Republican, won seat in Congress as a Republican 1988. Ran as a Republican in 1992 for President. \\

No, David Duke never served in Congress.

He was in Louisiana's legislature, but never held office under the U. S. Constitution.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/23/19


KATHR. Ford had no strong leanings to either DEMs or REPs, but FACT remains he ran as senate candidate for DEMs.

BTW, WW2 history shows that " tyrant murderers and anti-Semites" were of the Socialist Left.

Ford significantly increased wages of workers, and reduced working week to 40 hours. He believed increased wages and decent leisure time was good for both business and workers, since workers would actually have more time to purchase and consume more goods, thus creating even more jobs and sales across the nation.

He saw Unions as being harmful to his workers as unions try to restrict productivity as a means to foster employment.
---Haz27 on 5/22/19


David Ernest Duke (born July 1, 1950) is a prominent American white supremacist, white nationalist politician, white separatist, antisemitic conspiracy theorist, Holocaust denier, convicted felon, and former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.

Failed as a democrat, succeeded as a Republican, won seat in Congress as a Republican 1988. Ran as a Republican in 1992 for President.

There are a few more in our government openly white supremisists , antisemitic, who are REPUBLICANS. Trump has changed his political party over 5 times is now REPUBLICAN and has followed this same formula as Ford, Duke, etc.

Our Dems and Rep may not be the same as yours. Originally HERE, the Southern Dems are now the REPUBLICAN Party.
---kathr4453 on 5/23/19


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Haz27, Ford was a registered Republican. May have tried to run as a democrat , but was a registered Republican. Also note Ford was against Unions, which Hitler liked and followed that idea, is a right wing thingy...not a lefty thingy.

So to just totally slam the left here as it being exclusively left I can't support. I see it as an idiology that is co-mingled in left and right politics. Also Ford profited off WWII, and financially backed Hitlers war, as did a few other Capitalists in the USA. STANDARD Oil, IBM,.... Which Roosevelt openly in a speech rebuked, that I totally agree. OK. I'll own it then if standing against tyrant murders and antisemites and the morally depraved makes me a lefty. I'll wear that badge with honor.
---kathr4453 on 5/22/19


KATHR. President Woodrow Wilson got Henry Ford to run for the Michigan seat in the U.S. Senate as a DEMOCRAT.

I agree Ford was anti-Semite, as some Leftist politicians are even today.

In spite of the overwhelming evidence that Fascism/Nazism is of the Left, the commonly accepted mantra that somehow it's of the Right only proves how successful the Left's propaganda lies through the Left's dominance of the megaphones of society, has been.
---Haz27 on 5/22/19


That's my point Haz27, both Dems and Republicans have Hitler admirers. A little FACT you fail to acknowledge. That was my original posting....that there are Fascist's on both sides of the aisle.
---kathr4453 on 5/22/19


Cluny, are you saying Marxism and Fascism are exactly the same? What was your point. I must have missed it. I didn't see Ford being accused of Marxism. I compared Ford and Hitlers Fascism. In Hitlers early writings, Hitler didn't support Marxism. Ford didn't either. But we do know hundreds of thousands of Henry Fords vile propaganda garbage tracts were all over Germany in the 20''s and 30's. And AGAIN Henry Ford was a REPUBLICAN, and even tried to run for President on the Republican ticket.

So it appears EITHER Republicans CAN be fascists ...OR all a fascist has to do IN AMERICA is pretend to be a Republican. We are seeing this today.
---kathr4453 on 5/22/19


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kathr, I admit that Ford was a rabid anti-semite, so much so that for years American Jews made a point over not owning one of his products.

But did you know that the first thing that the Marxist government of the USSR did was to declare anti-semitism to be a counter-revolutionary crime?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/21/19


KATHR. Facts are facts. Sadly you avoid inconvenient facts.

Socialist Lefties Hitler and Giovani Gentile admired Marxism. However they preferred NATIONAL Socialism over Communism's INTERNATIONAL version.

I see you ignored the fact of the DEMs president FDR and Mussolini praising each other on their Fascism.

BTW, another fact you won't like is the DEMs JFK praised Hitler's Nazism.

You can't keep hiding from the facts, Kathr.

---Haz27 on 5/21/19


Haz27, facts are facts. Karl Marx was born a few years before Henry Ford, who may have influenced many of Henry Fords ideas. Therefore it appears it's not a RIGHT OR LEFT issue at all, but a philosophy that can be promoted by either right or left. HERE IN THE USA! Henry Ford, who influenced Hitler in MANY WAYS, as Hitler openly admired Henry Ford and his writings, was a REPUBLICAN.

Deal with it Haz27. You don't know everything.
---kathr4453 on 5/21/19


KATHR. YOUR Leftist side of politics is the home of Fascism.

Hitler & Giovani Gentile (father of Fascism) both were National Socialists who admired Marxism (International Socialism).

BTW, DEMs president FDR admired Mussolini's Fascism.

A report from the National Recovery Administration (an FDR agency created under the New Deal) stated, The Fascist Principles are very similar to those we have been evolving here in America

The Fascist Mussolini returned praise to FDR saying of the DEMs reforms Reminiscent of Fascism is the principle that the state no longer leaves the economy to its own devices... Without question, the mood accompanying this sea change resembles that of Fascism.
---Haz27 on 5/21/19


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I agree RichardC. All we need to do is look in our own back yard. Henry Ford....so antisemitic it wasn't funny. Surrounded himself with Fascist sympathizers, ran for President on the REPUBLICAN TICKET, was again a Republican. Fascism IS an Authoritan Nationalistic RIGHT WING form of government. Hitler admired Henry Ford and loved his openly twisted hatred of the Jews. Totally should study this man and the affect he had on Hitler ....and attitudes still in effect.

So WRONG HAZ27.
---kathr4453 on 5/20/19


Fascism is of the Left.

The father of Fascism is Giovani Gentile, who served as minister of education in the first Fascist run state under Mussolini.

Giovani Gentile was a Socialist who (like Hitler) admired Marxism.

GENTILE sought a society where people willing subordinated themselves to the state.
This is consistent with the Leftist DEMs whose slogan at the 2012 DEMs convention was The Government is the only thing we all belong to

This is consistent with Mussolini's claim in his manifesto All is in the state and nothing human exists or has value outside the state.
---Haz27 on 5/20/19


Nazism is a form of Fascism : rejects equality and class conflict , which is a part of Marxism , Fascism is right wing
---RichardC on 5/19/19


Hitler got many of his ideas from Henry Ford. Not the other way around. So what was Henry Ford? Firstly a racist. Also National Socialists had a peculiar attraction to Henry Ford. May want to start there. We think of Henry Ford as a great Capitalists..... Just some history many may want to research as well.
---kathr4453 on 5/19/19


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Monk: Hitler was decidedly LEFT - as are all SOCIALISTS. He used the same Marxist tactics of class warfare and police state enforcement as did Stalin. Stalin murdered more millions of his own innocent citizens than did Hitler, so he was a better Marxist. But Hitler was marching toward world domination by conquest, rather than by ideological indoctrination, as in Communism. So the goal was the same. Why any American would even approach Communism (via Socialism) is a mystery to me.


---jerry6593 on 5/19/19


Hitler opposed Communists. This was family infighting. NATIONAL Socialists versus INTERNATIONAL Socialists (just like Sunni Muslims v Shia Muslims).

Hitler admired Marxism. He said: I have learned a great deal from Marxism as I do not hesitate to admit The difference between [Marxists] and myself is that I have really put into practice what these peddlers and pen-pushers have timidly begun. The whole of National Socialism is based on it.....All I had to do is take over these methods and adapt them to our purpose.

The Nazi Propaganda Minister, Joseph Goebbels said the only incompatible difference between Nazis and Communists was the supposed internationalism of the latter as compared to the fierce nationalism of the former.
---Haz27 on 5/18/19


It depends on how you draw your charts, I think.

Christ is risen.
---Cluny on 5/17/19


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