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strongaxe said, "john9346:
Stop telling Haz27 what I do or don't believe, since you have no clue yourself what I do or don't believe."

Sir, there are many postings where you have stated your beliefs do you want me to post them?
---john9346 on 5/31/19


strongaxe said, "john9346:
Stop telling Haz27 what I do or don't believe, since you have no clue yourself what I do or don't believe."

Sir, there are many postings where you have stated your beliefs do you want me to post them?


cluny SAID, "Please quote the words where StrongAxe said these things."

SEE postings,

Prayer for Healing Posting,

How does God communicate.

IS Sola Scriptura a theory.

How to speak in tongues (2018)

The Original Scripture.

There are more but these will do for now...

You and Strongaxe seem to forget you've been on this blog for years you both have history of writing what you believe and expressing your World Views...
---john9346 on 5/31/19


haz said, "Thanks for letting me know.
Having debated AXE sporadically for some years now I've come to the point where I very much doubt he has ever been a Christian."

You are welcome I shared with you in love for strongaxe to pray for him that the Lord will save him and ask the Lord for wisdom on how to discuss with him in meaningful dialog...

As far as Kathr lol she just cant engage me in a Meaningful substantive Dialog all she has is immature tactics she's funny to me I cant take her serious smileing face with tears of joy :-)

Soli Deo Gloria

John
---john9346 on 5/31/19


Haz27:

I usually quote comments I reply to, but there are some reasons I sometimes don't:

The 125-word limit often makes it impossible to both reply and quote what I'm replying to in the same message. This should not be a problem, as the message I reply to is usually one or two messages down and can be easily found

Sometimes, multiple people post at once, so I need to reply to several at once, and, again, it's impossible to fit multiple replies and multiple quotes in a single message.

If I reply to something that is not immediately obvious, I quote it, or at least reference it (e.g. by date).
---StrongAxe on 5/31/19


Haz27, not sure why you are whining like a baby. You both make false statements without proof that's all. Most people when disputing will put the others post words down for others to see, rather that taking someone's interpretation of someone's words they have decided means this or that.

You are constantly accusing everyone here of being this or that based on your twisted notions. Then you try to get others to gang up on someone....ITS EVIL HAZ27.

Stop being a cry baby.
---kathr4453 on 5/31/19




KATHR. Why your double standards criticizing John for not cutting and pasting bloggers posts?
Ive even seen your fellow Leftist AXE quote me without cutting and pasting, yet you said nothing about him.

Whether someone cuts and pastes or not, or even if its spelling or grammatical errors, theres no need to be so bitter that you resort to such petty tactics to attack others.
---Haz27 on 5/30/19


john9346:

Stop telling Haz27 what I do or don't believe, since you have no clue yourself what I do or don't believe (see my previous message).
---StrongAxe on 5/30/19


I don't believe Strongaxe has ever made such a statement. And when accusing someone....you need to cut and paste their words. You did not, making you someone who bears false witness against another....DISSING GOD....which is worse.
---kathr4453 on 5/30/19


\\Haz, Strongaxe doesn't believe either of the verses you quoted because Strongaxe doesn't believe Jesus said John 3:16 James 2 Matt 25, and Jn 14:6.

You see, In Strongaxe's World View the bible its just a book of literature that's all nothing to be believed (no different then the Koran, Vedas, etc.)\\

Please quote the words where StrongAxe said these things.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/30/19


JOHN9346 said In Strongaxe's World View the bible its just a book of literature that's all nothing to be believed (no different then the Koran, Vedas, etc.).

Thanks for letting me know.
Having debated AXE sporadically for some years now I've come to the point where I very much doubt he has ever been a Christian.

He just seems to make up his own doctrine as he goes along, and all from a very worldly interpretation with no regard for the terms of reference given in the Bible.
---Haz27 on 5/30/19




haz said, "But your heresy contradicts Jn 3:16, Jn 14:6. You claim that those who do NOT believe on Jesus are still saved based on some ambiguous minimum standard of deeds."

Haz, Strongaxe doesn't believe either of the verses you quoted because Strongaxe doesn't believe Jesus said John 3:16 James 2 Matt 25, and Jn 14:6.

You see, In Strongaxe's World View the bible its just a book of literature that's all nothing to be believed (no different then the Koran, Vedas, etc.)

---john9346 on 5/30/19


\\I challenge the both of you to please show from using Moses, Matthew, Paule, and others that they didn't know they were writing under the inspiration of God?\\

You, john, are the one who m ade the initial claim that they were writing under Divine inspiration.

Therefore, it is up to YOU to prove it, not me to disprove it.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/30/19


john9346:

Please show, chapter and verse, where Moses, Mtthew, Paul, and others said "God WROTE", (other than the Stone Tablets on Sinai, but those aren't scripture, as we don't have them anymore. All we have is the parchment account of them in Exodus).

You keep saying "I don't believe it's real". I have said nothing of the kind. You have such a black-or-white all-or-nothing world view. All I've said is that we can't KNOW with 100% accuracy what actually IS 100% inerrant divinely-inspired scripture and what is not. That doesn't mean I don't believe it. I look up bus schedules online, and I believe them despite knowing 100% they AREN'T scripture.
---StrongAxe on 5/30/19


StrongAxe: Huh?! Where do you get this stuff?! Where have I EVER acted if I were a Muslim?! Be specific. Quote something SPECIFIC I said that gave you that idea.//

Do you remember when I said you must be a Muslim because you always defend their horrible acts? Then, you try to compare Christians centuries ago to Muslims today.

But you NEVER cite Muslims actions Centuries ago. As if Christians decided to attack Muslims for no reasons. As if Muslims didn't first attack Christian FIRST to take their lands.

As if Christian DIDN'T have the right to take back their lands from Muslims.

Your response to me was that Abraham, Moses and Jesus were Muslims.

You don't remember saying that? But I will try to cite it for you.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/30/19


strongaxe said, "Clearly you don't seem to understand the difference between WRITING and INSPIRATION. The first is done with a PEN. The second is done with the SPIRIT. These are two totally different things."

But not according to Moses, Matthew, Paul and others...

"Why do you CONTINUE choking on this gnat?"

because when the authors of Scripture contradict you facts contradict you,yet, you still persist in Logical Inconsistencies.

Why argue about Matt 25 when you don't even believe it in your World View Matt 25 isn't real any way its just literature...
---john9346 on 5/30/19


cluny said, "And you must prove to us that the writers of the Bible DID know they were writing under the inspiration of God."

Since you and Strongaxe have already been repudiated on this on subsequent postings now I challenge the both of you to please show from using Moses, Matthew, Paule, and others that they didn't know they were writing under the inspiration of God?

You have a lot of space have at it i'm listening on your mark get ready set go...
---john9346 on 5/30/19


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\\But Strongaxe your dilemma is Matthew, Moses, Paul, etc. knew and believed they were writing "Theopneustos." \\

And you must prove to us that the writers of the Bible DID know they were writing under the inspiration of God.

BCV demonstrating that, please.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/29/19


john9346:

Clearly you don't seem to understand the difference between WRITING and INSPIRATION. The first is done with a PEN. The second is done with the SPIRIT. These are two totally different things.

God INSPIRED scriptures. Men WROTE scriptures. This is why the Gospels are called Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, and not God, God, God, and God.

Why do you CONTINUE choking on this gnat?
---StrongAxe on 5/29/19


AXE. Clearly you can't answer my question on how many deeds are required to be saved.

Matt 25, James 2 speaks of works showing faith, i.e PREACHING GOSPEL to spiritually needy lost souls.

To be saved we believe on Jesus. And Christians share this gospel (as many times we're able) to the lost (spiritually needy) because we love, wanting others also to receive God's gift.

The thief on cross got one chance to declare Jesus as Lord before man, and did so. Others get more opportunities.

Believing on Jesus and declaring gospel to the lost, is congruous.

But your heresy contradicts Jn 3:16, Jn 14:6. You claim that those who do NOT believe on Jesus are still saved based on some ambiguous minimum standard of deeds.
---Haz27 on 5/29/19


strongaxe said, "Jesus isn't recorded as writing anything but some scribbles at the sand when a woman was accused of adultery. Scripture was written by Moses, Matthew, Paul, etc."

But Strongaxe your dilemma is Matthew, Moses, Paul, etc. knew and believed they were writing "Theopneustos." you must prooved to them that they weren't and to us all here that what they wrote wasn't "Theopneustos."

Proove to me right here right now that this is the case???
---john9346 on 5/29/19


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cluny said, "john, please tell me ONE verse of the Bible that the Savior actually wrote."

The saviour who is the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity wrote Genesis through Revelation.

You who claim to be an EO are engaging in heresy because you are fundamentally denying The Role of the Holy Spirit according to 2 Pet 1:19-21.


BTw, Jn 7:53-8:1-11 is not Scripture it was added.
---john9346 on 5/29/19


Haz27:

You keep repeating like a broken record over and over again. I've said what James said - that a person's good deeds demonstrate their faith. It demonstrates the law that God has written on their hearts.

Since you seem insistent on asking for an exact number, why don't YOU provide one? Let's say someone in Matthew 25 helped some people but didn't help others, how may would he have to help to be considered a sheep, and how many would he have to not help to be considered a goat? You can't reasonably ask me to answer your question unless you have an answer to mine.
---StrongAxe on 5/29/19


Jerry:

Before His incarnation, the Son/Logos was not known as Jesus.

And where is the proof that Obama is a mahometan? He does things that against mahometanism, such as drinking alcoholic beverages and supporting abortion.

Haz:

All I know is what the Bible says. "If with all your hearts you truly seek Me, you shall certainly find Me.

Anyone who is saved is still saved by Jesus.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/29/19


Does anyone here agree with the gospel of AXE where he claims that people who do NOT believe on Jesus (John 3:16) are still saved if they do enough (whatever that is) good physical deeds for the physically needy?

Does anyone here agree with AXE and his view that there are TWO paths to salvation?

AXE. You never did answer my question on what amount of good deeds for the needy is required to be saved.
Is it one deed, or one per week, or month, or year?

And what if the person doing good deeds follows an ANTI CHRIST religion like Islam, which denies that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God who died for our sin?
---Haz27 on 5/29/19


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john9346:

Jesus isn't recorded as writing anything but some scribbles at the sand when a woman was accused of adultery. Scripture was written by Moses, Matthew, Paul, etc.


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: First you act as if you are Muslim. Next you deny being Muslim

Huh?! Where do you get this stuff?! Where have I EVER acted if I were a Muslim?! Be specific. Quote something SPECIFIC I said that gave you that idea.

When have I EVER said "I am refusing to let Jesus sleep in my house"? Why do you keep making this stuff up?

All Christians should know Matthew 25, and should know that whenever they do good to others, they are doing it to Jesus. They would NOT need to ask him that question.
---StrongAxe on 5/29/19


Cluny: Almost. It was Jesus who wrote the Ten Commandments in stone.


As to the blog question, No, the president does not have to be a Christian. Obama the Muslim proved that.


---jerry6593 on 5/29/19


AXE. As God's word is described as HIDDEN wisdom (1Cor 2:7), MYSTERIES (Matt 13:11), CONCEALED by God for Kings (Christians) to search out (Prov 25:2), which requires SPIRITUAL discernment which worldly persons (like you) lacks (1Cor 2:14), then the reason why you insist on a worldly interpretation of God's HIDDEN wisdom is because your spiritual ears and eyes closed (Matt 13:13-15), and you want to justify your heretical gospel which denies John 14:6.

As for MATT 25 it's a PARABLE, and NOT a detailed account of judgement day.
Jesus is neither a physically needy person, nor is he a spiritually needy lost soul. But what I described of Matt 25 speaking of the SPIRITUALLY needy lost souls, fits with John 14:6 but your claim denies it.
---Haz27 on 5/29/19


Eph 1:17,18 asks God to give wisdom - it says nothing at all interpreting scripture.

The others talk about hidden wisdom, but NONE of them tell us that we SHOULD ignore what God actually says.

Matthew 7:9-13 talks about how Pharisees, with their Korban rule, rendered God's word null and void.

I repeatedly explain how I have NOT denied John 14:6, but like anything else that disagrees with your own ideas, you ignore it.

I will not debate you ANY further on Matthew 25 until you first answer the one question I repeatedly asked:

Why would Christians ask "when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?", since they should already know the answer?
---StrongAxe on 5/28/19


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\\Are you aware that Strongaxe doesn't even believe that Jesus wrote Scripture?\\

john, please tell me ONE verse of the Bible that the Savior actually wrote.

The only record of His writing anything is in John 8, when He doodled in the dust of the Temple floor, and even those words were not passed down to us.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/28/19


AXE. Matt 13:10-15, 1Cor 2:7-15, Rom 16:25,26, Isa 29:10-18, Eph 1:17,18, Prov 25:2, all contradict your unsupported claim that we should read Matt 25 just as a worldly unsaved person would.

Your heretical gospel of salvation without the need for Jesus, denies John 14:6.
---Haz27 on 5/28/19


Haz27:

I have REPEATEDLY said that I DO NOT deny John 14:6, and I have REPEATEDLY explained why that is, yet you KEEP REPEATING THE LIE that I deny it. PLEASE STOP. Do you constantly lie about everyone you meet in your life, or only that you talk to online?

I have asked you repeatedly how sheep in Matthew 25 would need to ask Jesus when they helped him, since all Christians WOULD ALREADY KNOW THIS, yet you have yet to provide an answer to this.

You keep attacking my interpretation of Matthew 25 without actually proving me wrong (e.g. by answering my question satisfactorily, or even at all).
---StrongAxe on 5/28/19


StrongAxe: No Christians who know their Bible would ask that question...Again, WHO would not know this, and would need to ask?//

YOU

// (ME) are you telling you are truly refusing to let Jesus sleep in your house tonight?//

First you act as if you are Muslim.

Next you deny being Muslim

Now, I ask if you are a Christian?

If you say you are a Christian, then that means you have been refusing to let Jesus to sleep in your house. Because since you keep saying Matthew 25 means all Christians KNOW they are caring for Jesus when they care for others. Christians INCLUDES YOU.

So, either you will be shock at your judgement day, or you know and REFUSE to take care for Jesus.

You can't have it both.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/28/19


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haz27:

Are you aware that Strongaxe doesn't even believe that Jesus wrote Scripture?

You see, Strongaxe doesn't believe in the bible so Matt 25 can mean anything Strongaxe wants it to mean because Jesus didn't say those words of Matt 25 and we cant trust Matthew The Apostle.

I don't know why people here keep debating Strongaxe on a Source he doesn't believe???
---john9346 on 5/28/19


NICOLE. What is of most concern is that AXE has fabricated a heretical gospel from Matt 25 where he claims that doing some ambiguous minimum standard of good deeds for the physically needy folk is an alternative path to salvation for those who do not believe on Jesus.

AXE denies John 14:6.
---Haz27 on 5/28/19


Haz27:

You deny Jesus's plain words, trying to get at what you think are "secret hidden wisdom", deluding yourself.


Nicole_Lacey:

No Christians who know their Bible would ask that question, because they know that helping others, they are helping Jesus. Again, WHO would not know this, and would need to ask?

Because they thought they were taking care of Roberto, Susan, Jacinta, John, Omar, Maria, and Muhammad NOT JESUS.

Yes, but still, Christians would ALREADY KNOW that by doing so, they are helping Jesus.

So are you telling you are truly refusing to let Jesus sleep in your house tonight?

I said nothing even REMOTELY like that. WHERE do you get this stuff?!
---StrongAxe on 5/28/19


StrongAxe: (you) you wrote: The Worthy are unaware that they were caring for Jesus when they took care of the poor.

But how could they? EVERY Christian would ALREADY KNOW this, having read Matthew 25. EVERY Christian would know that we entertain angels unaware.//

Don't change their questions. Again, the question to Jesus was: V37' LORD, when did we see YOU hungry and feed YOU, or thirsty and give YOU drink?.

We don't call Angels 'Lord'

//So, again, why did these sheep in Matthew 25 need to ask that question?//

Because they thought they were taking care of Roberto, Susan, Jacinta, John, Omar, Maria, and Muhammad NOT JESUS.

So are you telling you are truly refusing to let Jesus sleep in your house tonight?
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/27/19


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AXE. It's like the gospel when it's preached. Some falls on good ground, whereas others fall amongst thorns, on paths where birds get in, or in shallow soil, etc.

The word of God is preached to the world, and some receive it, believe on Jesus, and then they receive spiritual understand of God's HIDDEN wisdom.
But those who deny the gospel message will only see the Word of God as a natural man does, lacking spiritual discernment (1Cor 2:14).
---Haz27 on 5/27/19


Haz27:

I have NOT ignored it. I mentioned it many times, but YOU ignore my answers because you don't like them, and then accuse me of not answering you.

Yes, Jesus spoke many stories that contained deep mysteries that not everyone could comprehend. But many ALSO contained very plain messages that everyone COULD comprehend. Why do you think Jesus spent so much time talking to so many people, if he INTENDED that NONE of those people would understand ANY of what he said? What would be the point? It would be like spending 8 hours a day for three years speaking Chinese to auditoriums full of English-speakers, knowing they wouldn't understand any of it, and then blaming them for not understanding. What would be the point?
---StrongAxe on 5/27/19


AXE. I answered your question before, but as usual you ignore it.

Jesus tells us in Matt 13:10-15 why he speaks in PARABLES.
Because it is given unto you to know the MYSTERIES of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given....
Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not, and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand....



Jesus has not given you the understanding. And this is understandable considering your heretical gospel that claims Jesus is not needed for salvation as good deeds are the alternative.

You would no doubt also fail to comprehend Matt 18:8,9 on plucking out your eye to avoid sin and Hell. You think merely as a natural man would (1Cor 2:14).
---Haz27 on 5/26/19


AXE. I answered your question before, but you always ignore it as you're obsessed with justifying your heretical claim that Jesus is not needed for salvation.

Jesus says in Matt 13:10-15 why he speaks in PARABLES.
Because it is given unto you to know the MYSTERIES of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given....
Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not, and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand....


You have not been given understanding, which is understandable considering your heretical claim denying John 14:6.

You would no doubt also fail to comprehend Matt 18:8,9 on plucking out your eye to avoid sin & Hell. You think merely as a natural man would (1Cor 2:14).
---Haz27 on 5/26/19


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Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: The Worthy are unaware that they were caring for Jesus when they took care of the poor.

But how could they? EVERY Christian would ALREADY KNOW this, having read Matthew 25. EVERY Christian would know that we entertain angels unaware. We might not know which ones in particular, but in Matthew 25, Jesus doesn't point out specific ones - he just says that "every time you did it to the least of these my bretheren, you did it to me" - and that general truth is one all Christians should ALREADY KNOW.

So, again, why did these sheep in Matthew 25 need to ask that question?
---StrongAxe on 5/26/19


Please note in Matthew Jesus is talking here about a FUTURE TIME, when HE takes the place of KING, as we see in Zechariah 12-14....reiterating again what happens to the Gentile nations who come against Israel. Jesus is that KING who comes out of Heaven, the risen GLORIFIED Christ.

Matthew 25: 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these.........
---kathr4453 on 5/26/19


StrongAxe: Matthew 25 clearly shows that Jesus will divide the worthy from the unworthy. The unworthy are UNAWARE that they are worthy.//

Incorrect. Where does it state that in Matt 25? It doesn't.

The Worthy are unaware that they were caring for Jesus when they took care of the poor.

Have you ever read Mark Twain classic 'The Prince and the Pauper.'?

Prince Edward pretending to be Tom finds himself being abused by Tom's alcoholic and abusive father.

Now the father didn't KNOW he was abusing his King Henry VIII's son.

The father thinks he is abusing his OWN son NOT the Prince Edward Tudor.

So as the goats on Jesus' Left.

The Sheep on Jesus' Right are only surprised of TRULY treating Jesus.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/26/19


Haz27:

Matthew 25 clearly shows that Jesus will divide the worthy from the unworthy. The unworthy are UNAWARE that they are worthy. Christians WOULD ALREADY KNOW that they were worthy, so they would NOT ask Jesus about it. I have REPEATEDLY asked you how this is possible, yet you have NEVER answered me. If you want to criticize my interpretation of Matthew 25, please explain how the sheep, if they're Christians, don't know how they saw Jesus.
---StrongAxe on 5/26/19


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Cluny, Yes He came....first to die on a Cross for our sin. This part the Pharisees simply overlooked, and rejected the Lord. But for Jesus to reign and rule ON EARTH during the 1000 years, as we see in Zechariah 12-14....it will be the GLORIFIED RISEN CHRIST who comes to fulfill those promises...not one raised up from a baby, a carpenters son...in a state of humility..and THAT the Pharisees couldn't swallow, thinking He was coming then to be KING, and simply rejected Him. And why Judas betrayed Him...because He did not overthrow Roman rule...like the promised KING was to do. See, HE COMES OUT OF HEAVEN, with all His Saints, as was always Gods plan, and sets up His earthly Kingdom. Read to the end of Zechariah 14.
---kathr4453 on 5/26/19


\\We just have different views on end times. \\
You're right, kathr.

Remember that the Bible experts of 2000 years ago worked out according to their reading of the Bible what the Messiah would do when He came.

He came, He didn't follow their program, and they rejected Him.

I believe that at the Parousia all the prophesies about this will be fulfilled as literally AND unexpectedly as those of His first coming.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/25/19


AXE. You have repeatedly claimed that people who DO NOT KNOW JESUS are saved (in spite of John 14:6, John 3:16) as long as they do good deeds for the needy.

As I said many times before, your false gospel claims that ANTICHRIST Muslims (for example) who REJECT that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God who died for our sin, hence they reject John 14:6, are still saved if they do good deeds for the needy.

BTW, is that just one good deed that your false gospel requires, or is it daily, once per week, or month, or year? What amount of good deeds will suffice for an ANTICHRIST person to be saved?
---Haz27 on 5/25/19


Haz27:

I have repeatedly said that I do NOT believe "Jesus is not necessary". People who love their neighbors are ALREADY fulfilling Jesus's will, so they are saved THROUGH Jesus. Jesus said, "Everyone who is not against is is for us".

I'm not rejecting God's word. I'm just looking at other parts of the bible other than John 6:40, something you clearly seem unwilling or unable to do.
---StrongAxe on 5/25/19


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Yes it is Cluny....Matthew is to the Jews concerning the earthly Kingdom, and Kingdom law. Also Matther 24-25 is all about END TIMES.....And the reason so many foolishly co-mingle kingdom law with GRACE and just can't reconcile the opposite requirements. No one UNDER GRACE will need to poke out an eye or cut off his hand to enter in. WE ENTER IN by being Crucified with Christ and are raised up together with Him a NEW CREATURES. Every part of us is IN CHRIST, sanctified.

But be free to believe what you want Cluny. We all know we don't share the same doctrinal beliefs. We just have different views on end times.
---kathr4453 on 5/24/19


AXE. You're like doubting Thomas looking ONLY for physical evidence.

The will of God is for us to be saved by BELIEVING IN JESUS (John 6:40).

BUT YOU REJECT God's will as you claim that Jesus is not necessary because the alternative way to Heaven is doing some ambiguous minimum standard of good deeds. You preach a different gospel (take note of Gal 1:8,9).

Here's another scripture consistent with John 6:40.
Gal 1:4. Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father

I've already quoted John 9:31, Eph 6:6, Heb 10:36, 1John 2:17 which all contradicts your claim that we cannot do the will of God Jesus described in John 6:40.
---Haz27 on 5/24/19


\\The verse in Matthew 25....is talking about Jesus brethren IN THE FLESH, which are the Jews during the end times when persecution of the Jews\\

No, it isn't.

And there is no such thing as a pre-trib rapture or literal earthly millennium, either.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/24/19


Haz27:

Stop your constant broken record accusations.

John 20:29
Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Jesus HIMSELF spoke of believers WHO DO NOT SEE HIM. Expand your narrow vision beyond John 6:40.

I repeatedly said people who feed the hungry, etc. are ALREADY doing God's will as Jesus tought, so they are ALREADY following Jesus even if they don't know they are. They ARE saved THROUGH Jesus, not "by some other means". THIS is why the sheep have to ask "When did we do this?" in Matthew 25 - because any Christians WOULD ALREADY KNOW and would not need to ask.
---StrongAxe on 5/24/19


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SAMUEL. Obama is not a Christian. Obama denies John 14:6, just like AXE does. BTW, what do you think of the gospel of AXE that claims Jesus is NOT the only way to Heaven?

AXE. True Christians SEE Jesus, the WORD OF GOD (John 1:1, Rev 19:13). They even eat & drink of Jesus as spiritual food/drink (1Cor 10:3,4). But you claim NOBODY sees the Word of God so I guess you think NOBODY eats/drinks of the Word of God, our spiritual food/drink.

The fact that YOU CANNOT see Jesus, and also that you preach a different gospel that declares an alternative path to salvation WITHOUT the need for Jesus, proves that you deny John 14:6.

3John11 He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath NOT SEEN God
---Haz27 on 5/24/19


I have to disagree with Strongaxe here. There have been many wonderful humanitarians in the world doing wonderful things for the poor sick etc. even whole countries do humanitarian works in other countries, but that doesn't give anyone access to Eternal Life.

The verse in Matthew 25....is talking about Jesus brethren IN THE FLESH, which are the Jews during the end times when persecution of the Jews , GODS CHOSEN PEOPLE, ( Isaiah 14) will come to a climax with the earthly return of the Lord to set up His Kingdom.....Zechariah 12-14 also explain. Gentiles who did not turn on Jews are allowed to enter into the 1000 year reign.
---kathr4453 on 5/24/19


No. Since our current president is not one.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/23/19


Haz27:

I said people today can't SEE Jesus. I didn't say they can't do what Jesus told them to do (e.g. love God, love your neighbor, feeding the poor, clothing the naked, etc.) How do we demonstrate that we follow Jesus? By doing what he told us.

Cluny mentioned a man in India who never heard of Jesus, but goes around feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, comforting the sick, etc. At the final judgment when he stands before Jesus, Jesus will tell him he was doing His will all along, which means he was a follower of Jesus (and will thus be saved by Jesus), even though he didn't even know who Jesus was - because he had the will of Jesus written on his heart, and followed it.

Today, we can't see Jesus, but we CAN obey him.
---StrongAxe on 5/23/19


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Haz said, "Understanding the Bible, seeing Jesus (the WORD OF GOD) results in Christians doing the will of God (John 6:40)."

And Jesus said, "Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.

For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever."

Why not use more of the same chapter, Haz?
---Monk_Brendan on 5/23/19


\\Understanding the Bible, seeing Jesus (the WORD OF GOD) results in Christians doing the will of God (John 6:40).\\

Haz, do you think Jesus is the Word of God because He is the perfect embodiment of everything in the Bible.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/23/19


AXE. Understanding the Bible, seeing Jesus (the WORD OF GOD) results in Christians doing the will of God (John 6:40).

But those who might go to church, quote the Bible, etc, but DON'T do the will of God (John 6:40), saying as you did that "I'm saying that NOBODY TODAY can fulfil John 6:40, they're most likely not true Christians (especially when they preach that there are alternatives paths to salvation other than through Jesus).

Obama, like you, claims that Jesus is not the only way to salvation.
---Haz27 on 5/22/19


Haz27:

You wrote: What makes you think "church-going" makes one a Christian?

What makes you think quoting the Bible makes YOU a Christian?

I've not seen anything to suggest that Obama is a Christian. In fact his hate, lies, corruption, etc as president suggest he's not.

What hateful things has Obama EVER said?

On the other hand, Trump has married three wives, cheated on ALL of them, SPECIFICALLY said he has NEVER been sorry for ANYTHING (you CAN'T be a Christian without repentance), and his favorite part of the bible is the "eye for eye" part - directly contradicting Jesus' forgiveness. If there is no evidence Obama is a Christian, this is direct evidence Trump is NOT.
---StrongAxe on 5/22/19


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robert, you said that "obama" was really an alias for our last president.

What do you think was his REAL surname?

And just what was his religion? Do you have any proof of this?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/21/19


AXE. What makes you think "church-going" makes one a Christian?

Jesus said in Matt 7:21 that only those who DO THE WILL of God shall enter Heaven.
True Christians are those who DO THE WILL of God (John 6:40).

I've not seen anything to suggest that Obama is a Christian.
In fact his hate, lies, corruption, etc as president suggest he's not.
Obama routinely praised (ANTI-CHRIST) Islam whilst denigrating Christianity.
Obama claims that all religions lead to God, thus he denies John 14:6.
---Haz27 on 5/22/19


mike:

I did not say that YOU are monopolizing the conversation. However, others DID in the past, so moderators added rules to prevent that from happening again. Nobody can make multiple posts to the same blog in quick succession, or it is likely that the multiple posts will be deleted, either by moderators, or by the submission robots.

Recently, you made 5 posts here in a row. 2 complained about a post that just hadn't been approved yet. Moderators have lives too, and aren't always here.

I'm curious why you think church-going faithful monogamous family man Obama is not a Christian, yet thrice-married adulterous Trump who has never repented anything and whose favorite part of the Bible is "the eye for eye part" IS.
---StrongAxe on 5/21/19


\\Never did I see a candidate, Dem, Rep,or Independant that I would vote for to be a pastor.\\

That's because we're electing a commander-in-chief, NOT a pastor-in-chief.

I remember in 1976, the only real issue was the spiritual condition of Ford and Carter.

Consider what we got. (Yes, I voted for him.)

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/21/19


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strongaxe - i am not monopolizing the conversation. it is a simple question why would evangelicals get angry at the state or civil authorities for 'interfering' that prayer in schools is unconstitutional but when trump was running for president, jeffres, falwell jr say to vote for trump because he is a changed man & a christian. that the CHURCH meddling with the state? these are current events that is happening today. that is not monopolizing but hypocrisy on the part of evangelicals.
---mike on 5/21/19


Our last excuse for a President who used the alias obama was by no means a Christian!
---Robert on 5/21/19


cluny - i understand that but why did rodney brown & pat robertson say that separation of church & state is NOT in the constitution. it is NOT the statement NOT in the constitution but evengelicals say separation of church & state is NOT in the constitution.
---mike on 5/21/19


mike:

Several years ago, Christianet introduced rules to limit conversations from going too long, or for one person from monopolizing a conversation. All conversations are cut off after 75 posts. Each post is limited to 125 words. Nobody is allowed to post more than one reply to any conversation in a short period. (A good rule of thumb is that, once you post a reply on a particular blog, don't post another one until you see your first post approved and posted). If you post multiple posts in quick succession without them being approved, there is a good chance that some of them will be deleted.
---StrongAxe on 5/21/19


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mike, the idea didnt really take hold until the 70s when the Moral Majority came into existance. Then Peter Marshall wrote a book called The Light and the Glory Promoted by Dr James Kennedy pushing the idea that America was Gods NEW Promise Land and America was Gods NEW Chosen people. Go read the book. 1st. God NEVER made a Covenant with a Gentile Nation taking it away from Israel...no scripture to back up. BUT the churches want to push this idea, leaning on your scriptural ignorance ...and many have bought into this falsehood. BUT because of this falsehood its given power to the Church to pick a person they think is of GOD....some stating Trump is the modern day King Cyrus. SO SO SO WRONG. NO PROPHECY to support such nonsense.
---kathr4453 on 5/21/19


mike:

While the phrase "separation of church and state" does not actually appear in the Constitution, this was understood from the beginning that this applied.

Most European nations at the time had an official national/state church, which the U. S. Constitution forbids.

It did NOT prevent the several states from having one, and this was the case for a fairly long time.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/20/19


I've voted in national elections for about 60 years.
Never did I see a candidate, Dem, Rep,or Independant that I would vote for to be a pastor.
Just a good reason for separation of church and state
---michael_e on 5/20/19


my original question is:

Why are evangelicals like browne, Robertson, & others believe that separation of church & state is NOT in the constitution when these religious leaders are influencing the state or the president.
---mike on 5/20/19


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cluny - my original question is: Why are evangelicals like browne, Robertson, & other right wing evangelicals believe that separation of church & state is NOT in the constitution when these religious leaders are influencing the state or the president.
but christianet deleted this important question.
also, many right wing evangelicals will endorse candidates that will further their agenda. they even receive 'faith based' money from the gov't. that is why many right wing evangelicals will say 'separation of church & state' is NOT in the constitution
---mike on 5/20/19


cluny - did you watch the news during the 2016 election? Paula white, jeffres, copeland, falwell jr, graham endorse trump & they said that trump is a 'changed' man & they said he is a 'christian' even though many scandals were on the news. they even prayed for him in the white house. these right wing evangelicals even said 'trumps immorality is irrelevant'. trump even said 'i will give the church more power'. trump DOES NOT care about the constitution. he is trashing it right now this show that you are not watching the news.
---mike on 5/20/19


cluny - my original question is: Why are evangelicals like browne, Robertson, & others believe that separation of church & state is NOT in the constitution when these religious leaders are influencing the state or the president. Do you have to be a Christian to be president?
but christianet deleted the 1st part.
also, many right wing evangelicals will endorse candidates that will further their agenda. they even receive 'faith based' money from the gov't. that is why many right wing evangelicals will say 'separation of church & state' is NOT in the constitution
---mike on 5/20/19


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