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Where does the Bible say that everyone has the right to interpret it for himself, and his own private interpretation will always be right, even if it contradicts someone else's correct interpretation?

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jerry6593:

Yes. "REMEMBER the sabbath, and KEEP it holy" does not mention WORSHIP.

"Six days shall thou labor" is not a REQUIREMENT to work - it's PERMISSION to work. Otherwise, everyone who is sick, or takes a vacation, or retires, or is unemployed, or otherwise can't work six days a week, is breaking the sabbath. Do you work 304 days a year?

Let's not go by what you or I believe. Look at Paul who ACTUALLY WROTE SCRIPTURE. He said some hold some days more holy than others, while others hold all days equally holy, and LET EACH BE PERSUADED IN HIS OWN MIND. He also said LET NO ONE JUDGE YOU with respect to sabbaths.

So why do you judge others on the Sabbath, or which days they keep holy?
---StrongAxe on 6/14/19


\\even cardinal Gibbons admit that the catholic church changed 7th day to 1st day bec. they are above the bible. \\

Who said that Cardinal Gibbons was accurate historically? He was not in this case.

Worship does not mean one does not work. In monasteries, the brethren (or sisters) gather several times during each day to worship.

Then afterwards they go about their appointed work (called "obediences").

Doesn't it bother you to say things that have no basis in reality, mike?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/13/19


ax: "It does NOT COMMAND anything."

That's just plain nuts! It is a COMMANDMENT - just the same as "thou shalt not murder". It also commands that you WORK the other six days - including SUNDAY!

And where did you get the idea that holiness depends on YOUR opinion rather than God's? God made the Seventh Day HOLY. Who made Sunday holy? NOBODY!

I'll grant that you have the right to disobey God's Ten Commandments - but there will be consequences, especially when you "teach men so" (Mat 5:19).


---jerry6593 on 6/14/19


mike:

God didn't COMMAND people to worthip on the 7th day either. The sabbath is not a day of WORSHIP. it is a day of REST. The Bible has very clear rules for the sabbath - it prohibits work, commerce, travel, lighting fires. It does NOT COMMAND anything.

People who go to church on Sunday are not worshipping the Sun, any more than people who go to church on Saturday are worshipping Saturn.

Why is this SUCH an important deal for you? Do you not get that some people consider some days more important than others, but others consider all days equally holy - and LET EACH BE PERSUADED IN HIS OWN MIND?

Do you not get that we are NOT TO ALLOW anyone to judge us with respect to food, SABBATHS, or holy days?
---StrongAxe on 6/13/19


cluny: "The Gentiles were never bound to Sabbath observance."

Is this found in First Cluny 1:1?

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Aren't Gentiles men? Weren't there Gentiles present among the mixed multitude at the giving of the Ten Commandments at Mt. Sinai?



ax: "There is no indication anywhere in the Bible from Genesis 1 up until Exodus 20:7 that WE were commanded to keep the Sabbath."

How about:

Exo 16:26 Six days ye shall gather it, but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.

You're such a scholar!



---jerry6593 on 6/13/19




John: Paul left elders not priests and we are to listen to elders//

No, you skipped the man in between.

Titus and Timothy were Priests and became a Bishops.

Titus 1:4-5 To Titus, my true child in our common faith:..The reason I left you in Crete was that YOU would set in order what was unfinished and APPOINT elders in every town, as I DIRECTED you.

Bishops lay their hands on men making Elders Priests. Interchangeable words.

Read 1 Tim 5:17-22

Acts 13:1-3
V3 So after they had fasted and prayed, they PLACED their hands on them and sent them off.

1 Tim 4:14 Do not neglect your gift, which was given you through prophecy when the body of elders laid their hands on you.

Read 2 Tim 4:1-6
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/13/19


instead of obeying the Commandments of God, cluny & strongaxe chose to obey edict of constantine.

even cardinal Gibbons admit that the catholic church changed 7th day to 1st day bec. they are above the bible.
---mike on 6/13/19


\\what is 1st day according to constantine? on the venerable day of the SUN. constantine is pointing to his SUN god ordering the whole world to REST. \\

Are you so poorly instructed in history that you think that Constantine changed things for Christians in the 4th century, mike?

He was acknowledging what had become the manner of Christians by then, as you can read from the Apology of Justin Marty, who flourished in the early 100's.

Sometimes you have claimed that "the Pope" changed Saturday to Sunday.

Which pope did so and when?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/13/19


And you have not answered my question about what day we are FORBIDDEN to worship.

did God COMMAND you to worship 1st day 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th? NO. what is 1st day according to constantine? on the venerable day of the SUN. constantine is pointing to his SUN god ordering the whole world to REST. that is NOT God commanding but man. you cannot answer did God ever sanctify the 1st 2nd 3rd etc? you don't want to answer that bec. you are a liar. so I answered your question. romans 1:25 - worshipping the CREATION or CREATURE not the CREATOR.
---mike on 6/13/19


\\
7th day points to a Creator not the created, Rest, & sanctified by God. not one verse says to worship God on the 1st day when the bible says that it is a work day. \\

mike, you don't think the Son of God, who took flesh and became known as Jesus, was created, do you?

Also, there were twice daily services in the Tabernacle, the Temples, and there still are in Conservative and traditional Synagogues. Did you know that?

And you have not answered my question about what day we are FORBIDDEN to worship.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/13/19




mike:

Where, exactly, does the bible tell us when and where to WORSHIP? Where does it tell us that we must WORSHIP on the weekly Sabbath? Where does it tell us that we must not WORSHIP on any other day?

Without such instructions, arguing which day one should worship is choking on a gnat, and telling others they are wrong violates these:

Romans 14:5
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Colossians 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days
---StrongAxe on 6/12/19


Strongaxe, One thing I know is we are "exercised" to know good from evil, truth from lie, and able to eat strong meat....not just drink milk, as we mature in truth. So I also believe it's the Holy Spirit who leads us into all truth, and protects us from false teachers. So the secret is...to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit...not men. God has given Gifts for the work of the ministry. Ephesians 4. When one has the Indwelling Holy Spirit, we can know others who do as well..and we also know as Jude so ungently stated...who are the clouds without water. In the end we are all individually accountable to the Lord on how we built upon the Foundation of Christ. wood, hay and stubble, or GOLD SILVER AND PRECIOUS STONE...
---kathr4453 on 6/12/19


cluny - revelation 14:7 says
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him, for the hour of his judgment is come: & worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

where does it say in the bible to worship the one who resurrected on the 1st day.

7th day points to a Creator not the created, Rest, & sanctified by God. not one verse says to worship God on the 1st day when the bible says that it is a work day.

obviously, many will twist the 1st day in the bible that the apostles worship & disobeyed God.
---mike on 6/12/19


john, did you know that the English word "priest" is a contraction of the Greek word "presbyteros," which means "elder".

The middle English form is "prester".

And for everyone: The Gentiles were never bound to Sabbath observance.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/12/19


Steveng:

Exodus 20:8:
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

This is a commandment to "remember the Sabbath day - in order to keep it holy" - NOT "remember to keep it holy". One can't sanctify the Sabbath if one doesn't know what day it is, and one can't remember a commandment that was never given before in the first place.

There is no indication anywhere in the Bible from Genesis 1 up until Exodus 20:7 that WE were commanded to keep the Sabbath.
---StrongAxe on 6/12/19


Nicole said, "Even St. Paul instructs the Churches he visited to obey the Priests he left in charge.
-It isn't in the Bible.

In fact, Jesus is clear that we have to listen to the Disciples.

Even St. Paul instructs the Churches he visited to obey the Priests he left in charge."


Nicole, Paul left elders not priests and we are to listen to elders as long as they arebound by Scripture...
---john9346 on 6/12/19


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The Fourth Commandment begins with the word "Remember."

This tells that this commandment was given BEFORE the Ten Commandments was given by Moses. Which was given on the seventh day of creation.
---Steveng on 6/12/19


kathr4453:

Unfortunately, we have no OBJECTIVE way to determine who actually has this inspiration, short of God coming down saying "THIS interpretation is right".

Two people argue opposing points, and each is convinced he is inspired by the Holy Spirit and his interpretation is correct. No amount of discussion or persuasion can persuade either that he is wrong, even though one MUST be wrong (and possibly both are). This is why we have so many different denominations and cults who believe only they are correct and everyone else is apostate. Incorrectness can be determined in retrospect (e.g. false prophets falsely predicting the date of Christ's return), but correctness is not so easily proven.
---StrongAxe on 6/12/19


Cluny, the Sabbath is the law, as much as thy shall have no God before me. The quote references the law, and the law, like the rest of scripture, stands as written. No one need interpret Fathers word, what we need, is understanding. For that understanding, the only teacher we have, or need, is the inspiration Father provides the believer through the indwelling presence of His Spirit. So you see Cluny, although the text is written in the context of a specific law, in my view, it is applicable to all the law and prophets in their revelation of the Christ and His gospel. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. If this thought, further proves your point, then so be it.:o)
---josef on 6/11/19


Those IN CHRIST have the mind of Christ, who study to show thyself approved rightly dividing the word of truth....because Christ is made unto US wisdom and Knowledge OF HIM. Of HIS MIND. Those outside of Christ possess no such thing. So who then is the US? Scripture says it is the BOC, those IN CHRIST.

The Holy Spirit is given to US to lead US into all truth. "He" is our teacher, just as Jesus promised.

So don't put your faith in the wisdom of men, but in God. We also have an unction from the Holy One to discern truth from lie, being exercised to know good from evil...to know false teachers when they appear.

The only CORRECT interpretation comes from the Holy Spirit who is STILL ACTIVELY TEACHING.
---kathr4453 on 6/12/19


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\\Leviticus 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation, ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.\\

Shame on you, Samuel.

If you read the context, this is not talking about the weekly sabbath, but the last day of a feast.

Here's the verse you conveniently omitted, 23:2:

"Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts."

You are simply proving that a text without a context is a pretext.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/11/19


Cluny

First we are to worship everyday. But the Sabbath was set aside as a special time of worship. That is why it was sanctified.

Leviticus 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation, ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

Jesus meet in the Synagogue and taught on Sabbath. That is based on the Bible. We should follow Jesus.

So yes we are told to worship on Sabbath.

Now worshiping on Sunday is not a sin. But no where does the Bible teach to meet on Sunday. Not once is it commanded.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/11/19


**//You have certainly proven that a text without a context is a pretext.//
Cluny what does that even mean? I've shared my view, whether it is accepted or rejected, I'm Ok, no harm done.**

josef, in this case, the "let everyone be convinced" you quoted is referring to the Saturday sabbath.

You left out the context, and merely demonstrated my point.

mike--

Contrary to what people who make an issue of worshipping on Saturday teach, paganism NEVER had a weekly day of worship. Their festivals were monthly or yearly.

And the Pope had nothing to do with Sunday worship.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/11/19


Why do you people make living a christian lifestyle so complicated?

LOVE, as in the verb form from the heart, is the ultimate commandment spoken of by Jesus. The entire bible is full of examples of HOW to love one another and HOW to love God.

Denominational "churches" put a heavy burden unto its members with their own rituals, traditions, ways of living and interpretations of the bible. You people seem to nitpick about what is right.

Here's an example of interpretation: One person would say "I love helping people" while another would say "I love killing people."
---Steveng on 6/11/19


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//You have certainly proven that a text without a context is a pretext.//
Cluny what does that even mean? I've shared my view, whether it is accepted or rejected, I'm Ok, no harm done.
---josef on 6/11/19


mike:

"Sanctified" means "made holy", but what does "holy" mean? It means "set apart".

The Old Testament is full of very specific things that are forbidden on the sabbath (e.g. work, travel, commerce, lighting fires, etc.), but says nothing about what is REQUIRED on the Sabbath. In particular, there is no mention that says that worship must be done on the Sabbath, or that worship must be done ONLY on the Sabbath.

Many Sabbath-worship people probably drive to church in their cars (rather than walking), or cook dinner, or go out to eat at restaurants after church, all of which would have gotten them stoned under Old Testament law for sabbath-breaking.
---StrongAxe on 6/11/19


mike, as I've told you before, the Decalogue never commanded worship on the Sabbath, but only to cease from working. It was a cessation that extended even to one's employees, slaves, and farm animals.

And as I've also told you, Orthodox have services on all days of the week, though this is observed only in large churches, monasteries, and cathedrals.

Sunday, despite what you've been told, has nothing to do with sun worship.
Only in Germanic languages is it even called that.

Now can you tell me on what day are we FORBIDDEN to worship?

Bet you can't.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/11/19


don't you cluny justify to worship on the 1st day SUN day when the bible / when God sanctified the 7th day sabbath. there is not personal interpretation but it is GOD's commandment.
---mike on 6/11/19


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\\ As concerning scriptural understanding, "Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind." For every man "shall give account of himself to God."
---josef on 6/11/19\\

You have certainly proven that a text without a context is a pretext.

The context is about regarding one day over another, not interpreting scripture.

Try again.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/11/19


As concerning scriptural understanding, "Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind." For every man "shall give account of himself to God."
---josef on 6/11/19


Furthermore, josef, don't forget that St. Paul's words were addressed to a young bishop, who would have the authority to interpret the Scriptures for his flock.

NOWHERE does your verse say anybody and everybody may do so.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/10/19


The bible says "no prophecy is of private interpretation", but who IS "authorized" to interpret scripture? Your question assumes a "correct interpretation", but how do we know whose interpretation is correct?

Catholics say "The Catholic Church", and authority comes from God to the Pope, and Cardinals, and church hierarchy, right on down. However, other Christian groups do not agree, and who is to say who is right? God isn't coming down from heaven and telling us.

2000 years ago, the priests and scribes had the same kind of authority to interpret scripture that the Catholic church hierarchy has now - yet Jesus himself said that sometimes their own teachings rendered the word of God void.
---StrongAxe on 6/10/19


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Cluny, thanks to the Strongs I am aware of what the word means. How does that change the meaning or application of the verse? I fail to see your point.
---josef on 6/10/19


The word "Study" in 2 Tim 2:15 does not mean academic application in this context, josef.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/10/19


2Ti 2:15 - "Study to show thyself approved to God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." Sounds like an individual matter to me Cluny.
---josef on 6/10/19


It isn't in the Bible.

In fact, Jesus is clear that we have to listen to the Disciples.

Even St. Paul instructs the Churches he visited to obey the Priests he left in charge.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/9/19


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