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Has anyone noticed the Christian symbolism in LES MISERABLES or the first MATRIX movie?

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Nicole_Lacey:

How have I become a "church lady" against you?

I didn't give you a choice between hypocritical Pharisees on one side, and hypocritical "Church Ladies" on the other (which would have implied that you're a hypocrite no matter which one you choose - a bit like the "have you stopped beating your wife?" question).

I gave you a choice between Jesus on one side, and hypocritical Pharisees and "Church Ladies" on the other.
---StrongAxe on 6/14/19


StrongAxe, I know exactly what your meant about Church Ladies and Pharisees. I remember the 'Church Lady' on SNL

Ironically, you seem not to realize that you became the 'Church Lady' against me. While looking down at 'Church Ladies'

//By no means am I saying that most ladies in church are like that, but the few who are give the rest a bad name.//

Yes, and I am one of them to you.

You gave me 2 options to pick my own character.

Pharisee or Ladies of the Church.

//Others look only at the evil in things and other people. They find fault even in saints. These were the Pharisees of Jesus' day, and the "Church Ladies" of today.

Which are you?--StrongAxe 6/13/19

I am neither. Matt 7:1
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/14/19


Nicole_Lacey:

I never said ignore sins or crimes. I said look past them and see good. When Pharisees brought Jesus to the woman caught in adultery, they were about to stone her, yet he saw past her sin, and did not condemn her. THAT'S what I'm talking about. Judgmental Pharisees cannot see past the sin.

When he met the woman at the well, he said she had several husbands, and was living with a man not her husband. He didn't condemn her for being a serial adulteress.

He had thieves and prostitutes among his followers. That didn't bother Jesus, but it DID bother the Pharisees who constantly condemned him for allowing such disreputable rabble around him.

Love like Jesus. Don't hate like the Pharisees.
---StrongAxe on 6/14/19


StrongAxe, your thought process is wrong. Convicted Prisoner states they were found guilty by our justice system. A right. If you mean how they are treated AFTERWARDS is another thing.

Just because a convicted Rapist finished his sentence it doesn't mean I HAVE to let down my guard.

That's what happens when you commit crimes and it stays on your records. That's how the Government warns society.

Rapists are not Killers.

Remember the BTK Strangler, Dennis Lynn Rader? He picked that name for himself - "BTK" (for "Bind, Torture, Kill").

*Rader was a member of Christ Lutheran Church and had been elected president of the church council.He was also a Cub Scout leader.- Wikipedia
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/14/19


\\In Matrix movie there were those who were slaves in bondage to the Matrix, and others who were set free. \\

Good point, Haz.

And where did those set free of the Matrix go to live?

Zion City.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/13/19




Nicole_Lacey:

Most of them won't repent. However, a small number will, but they will only be given a chance if someone is willing to give them one, by seeing the good in them. Someone who sees only the bad will immediately give up on them and abandon them to prison.

By "Church Lady" I reference the stereotype of sanctimonious pharisaical hypocrites who boast how holy they are, while gossiping and condeming others. The archetypical example is Dana Carvey's "Church Lady" on SNL. Betty Bowers "America's Best Christian" is more modern example.

By no means am I saying that most ladies in church are like that, but the few who are give the rest a bad name.
---StrongAxe on 6/13/19


StrongAxe: They can see the good even in convicted killers, and bring them to redemption.//

What? That doesn't make any sense!

According to your logic, all I have to do is 'see the good' in convicted killers in order to make them repent.

That's not how it works!

After a Killer repents we should see the good in them.

Hellooo, St. Paul?

//Others look only at the evil in things and other people. They find fault even in saints. These were the Pharisees of Jesus' day, and the "Church Ladies" of today.

Which are you?//

Me? Seems you just described yourself.

Nicodemus was a Pharisee. I don't know about your Church, but my Church Ladies are non judgemental.

Matthew 7:1
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/13/19


In Matrix movie there were those who were slaves in bondage to the Matrix, and others who were set free.

We see the same in Gal 4:21-25 Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her childrenbut the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.
---Haz27 on 6/13/19


mike:

You wrote: like your SUN god?

Who are you talking to? NOBODY here worships a "sun god". And what does this have to do with the blog topic, or anything being discussed here?
---StrongAxe on 6/13/19


\\ like your SUN god?
---mike on 6/13/19\\

I don't know about you, mike, but I worship the Sun of Righteousness with healing in His wings.

Contrary to the teaching of those who make the Saturday Sabbath an issue, paganism NEVER had a weekly day of worship.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/13/19




like your SUN god?
---mike on 6/13/19


To mention just a couple of Christian symbolism in the first MATRIX (though not the others):

Agent Smith said that he hated this planet and everything on it. Is there a better description of Satan?

Just before Neo's final ascension, he said, "I will show you a new world without rules." We can't be saved by keeping rules.

Anyone have any others in MATRIX, or LES MIZ?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/13/19


Nicole_Lacey:

We aren't talking about judging Evil or Satan. We're talking about judging fiction, which is not so obviously black and white.

Good and evil may be objective, but whether you look at something and see mostly good or mostly evil IS subjective.

The Bible contains tales or redemption, but also murder, genocide, adultery, rape, and incest.

Some people look only at the good in things and other people. They can see the good even in convicted killers, and bring them to redemption.

Others look only at the evil in things and other people. They find fault even in saints. These were the Pharisees of Jesus' day, and the "Church Ladies" of today.

Which are you?
---StrongAxe on 6/13/19


There are christian and santanic symbolism in everything we read, see, hear, smell, taste, and feel - subtle they may be. Movies and novels may seem to be right biblically, but Satan has a way to turn something that looks good into something evil. Timothy says something to the affect do not give heed to these movies or novels (actually he states fables, but that's what they are) that questions sound doctrine, rather than godly edifying which is in faith.
---Steveng on 6/12/19


StrongAxe: If you look for evil, you fill find it everywhere you look.//

You had me up to this point.

Evil isn't subjective. It is objective.

Just because some people think Jesus is evil doesn't make Him evil. Jesus is always Good, Pure and Light.

Just because some people think satan is good doesn't make him good. He will always be evil, mean and darkness.

//This is why we are commanded to think about good things.//

No, because you can't make evil good. That's why you shouldn't dwell or think about evil because you will become evil.

Matthew 7:17-18

One can not expect to imitate Jesus from watching and thinking about filthy shows.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/12/19


One can find Christian symbolism in almost anything, if you look hard enough. You can also find other kinds of symbolism too, if you look hard enough. Despite The Lord of the Rings and The Chronicles of Narnia having been written by Christian authors, and despite their having deep Christian symbolism, many paranoid Christians have denounced both works as satanic and occultic.

It just goes to show - if you look for good, you will find it everywhere you look. If you look for evil, you fill find it everywhere you look. This is why we are commanded to think about good things.
---StrongAxe on 6/12/19


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