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Nicole_Lacey:

You ignore everything I have been saying on this long and drawn out gnat-choking debate:
1) *I* did NOT add that name. *I* was TAUGHT it as a child by PRIESTS AND NUNS.
2) *I* did NOT claim it was the Church's real name. I said the Church says it's inaccurate, but does NOT consider it offensive.

Really? The 'Your Mama' response?'

1) I don't think I ever said "Mama" on these blogs ever (and if I did, Google can't find it).
2) If you mean my "'sup" comment, I was giving an example of something friends might say to each other, that would be offensive if said by strangers - NOT something *I* personally would say.

Pressley is wrong, but she has less power than Trump.
---StrongAxe on 7/21/19


BTW, please look up the word 'Papist'.

Every definition states it is a derogatory term.

You should know better.

So. does it means you are Pastorist?

You follow your Pastor instead of Jesus?

So, how many Catholics told you to call them Papists?

All those Scriptures didn't say the Jewish people had to ALLOW outsiders dictate to them how to live or take care of their needs over their own Children. Matthew 15:26
(I am not calling foreigners dogs. Neither did Jesus)

You have no shame using Hebrew Scripture to protect 4 women who hate Jews?

Now that's RICH!

Also, the Jews were invited into Egypt by Pharaoh.
Gen 46:5.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/20/19


StrongAxe, are you confused? It is *You* calling other people OUT Of their names, not *me*.

You are *ADDING* a name to the CC and *Claiming* it's Her name. Tell me when I added or changed any name?

Telling you to call someone by their name isn't dicating anything.

It's called using their 'CORRECT' name.

You can't call Alabama 'RedNeck' and *CLAIM* it's their *REAL* name.

//*I* am not racist but Trump is.//

Really? The 'Your Mama' response?'

Ayanna Pressley, D-Mas (OVERSEER) said I CAN'T SPEAK unless I speak like other Black people. I CAN'T speak unless I speak like other Brown people....

So, if I refuse to speak like SHE DEMANDS of me I better keep my mouth shut?

Who's the Racist?
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/20/19


The Apostle Paul never said anything either good or bad about Nero. He just ignored him. It might be a good idea if we did the same with the people who are supposedly in power over us.
---JS1234 on 7/20/19


Nicole_Lacey:

PRECISELY! And *YOU* don't get to determine their name either, and *YOU* only get to determine if *YOU* say the correct name or not. You don't get to dictate what name *OTHERS* use.

*I* am not racist but Trump is.

Just this week, Trump told four non-white AMERICAN congresswomen (1 immigrant, 3 BORN HERE) to go back to their "corrupt countries". I guess he meant MAGA America? (This violates laws of hospitality (Ex 22:21,23:9, Lv 19:33-34,24:22, Num 15:15-16, Dt 10:19, "love your neighbor" and even "love your enemy")

The Justice Department sued Trump Management Company - they instructed employees to tell African Americans there were no vacancies, even though there were.
---StrongAxe on 7/20/19




StrongAxe, you don't get to determinate a person, Church or business' name!

You only get to determine if you say the CORRECT name or not.

Only Democrat KKK members said Black people were N.

So, you claim because MANY Democrats believed Black people were N word, it made us the N word?

Because an idiot Black person tells you it is okay to call him the N word, I CAN'T be offended because he gave you permission?

If you THINK one Black person is a N, then it means you think ALL BLACK people are N.

We speak what is in our mind and what is in our mind is in our heart.
Mark 7:20-23 You BET I am offended!

You can't claim you are NOT a racist, but speak like one.
BTW, you are free to be a Racist.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/20/19


Nicole_Lacey:

It doesn't matter. *I* get to make that determination, not *YOU*. If a friend of mine decides to call me that, and *I* object to it, you can share that sentiment, but if *I* don't object to it, *YOU* do not have the right to be offended on my behalf, because nobody has insulted *YOU*.

Thus, if the Catholic Church considers the word "Roman" to be inaccurate but not offensive, *YOU* do not have the right to take offense on its behalf.

"Papist" is an accurate adjective that describes people who follow a (the) Pope.

You and the priest make TWO who take offense, compared to countless multitudes who do not.
---StrongAxe on 7/20/19


StrongAxe, just because a Catholic NEVER told you to stop doesn't mean they okay with your nickname.

There are many women who don't tell their male bosses to STOP the sexual remarks or touches. So by your THEORY they are okay with the behavior.

//If I have a close black friend, and HE allows me to ask HIM "Hey! Sup, ma n***a?" without offense, it's not your business to take offense on his behalf//

Not only do I can take offense, now I have 2 reasons to say that is RACISTS!

I don't even KNOW what you just said.

Can you PLEASE translate that into REAL English.

BTW, you and I both know you wouldn't call him the N word in front of Black people. So stop with the false reality.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/20/19


StrongAxe: Vatican does NOT say "Roman Catholic" is insulting or demeaning.//

It's COMMON SENSE!

Someone uses to call you 'weakaxe'. Do you think he wasn't being insulting or demeaning?

Or do you have to ANNOUNCE it is demeaning or insulting to MAKE it demeaning or insulting?

People call Catholics 'papists' as well, but the Vatican hasn't said that is demeaning or insulting either.

//GENERAL,..the Church IN PARTICULAR, do NOT take offense at being called "Roman Catholic".//

You kept telling me that I was the ONLY PERSON that has complained about 'Roman' name. So, I gave you EVIDENT of a Priest saying the SAME thing.

Maybe they don't want the headache I am getting from you all?
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/19/19


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: Want does the Holy See states? The opposite.

The Vatican does NOT say "Roman Catholic" is insulting or demeaning.

that's like saying you will NOT call me the N word because it offends me, but I can't tell you what to call other Black people. Since they call each other the N word.

Not the same, as black people, IN GENERAL, take offense at being called that by others. Catholics, IN GENERAL, and the Church IN PARTICULAR, do NOT take offense at being called "Roman Catholic".

That's exactly right. If I have a close black friend, and HE allows me to ask HIM "Hey! Sup, ma n***a?" without offense, it's not your business to take offense on his behalf.
---StrongAxe on 7/17/19




JS1234, I believe you. As StrongAxe, also said as a child everyone said 'Roman' as well. I believe him. My Priest in the 80's said birth control pills wasn't a sin.

Want does the Holy See states? The opposite.

Did you know that Castro allowed some Nuns to teach in Cuba? They had some rules to follow. Do not change the 'history' nor 'geographic' already taught.

Why? Because the land mass of USA was Cuba and land mass was USA

Also, the children were taught a wrong historical Cuba success. Does that make Castro right?

Hello StrongAxe, that's like saying you will NOT call me the N word because it offends me, but I can't tell you what to call other Black people. Since they call each other the N word.

???
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/17/19


One of the churches I used to attend has a big sign in front which reads "St. Therese Roman Catholic Church."
---JS1234 on 7/16/19


Nicole_Lacey:

No. The Pope rules over ALL Catholics (as you use the term) everywhere, not just in Rome.

As has been pointed out, there are several different "Catholic" churches that may be in communion with the Vatican, but are not under its jurisdiction. How does one refer to them? If one only uses the word "Catholic" alone, the term is ambiguous and confusing.

When I was growing up, everyone in church used the term "Roman Catholic", but I never even heard "Latin Rite Catholic" until many decades later.

(Also, since you expressed objection, I never referred to YOU as Roman Catholic).
---StrongAxe on 7/16/19


Samuel: The Vatican where the Pope rules the Roman Catholic church.//

You mean he rules over Catholics in Rome. A difference.

//I use the Roman Catholic since it eliminates confusion.//

You say it to be spiteful. No one thinks Protestant with Catholic.

//In Scholarly terms catholic means universal.//

History as well. First 1000 yrs if you were Christian you were Catholic.

//..is the Pope going to move back to France anytime soon and leave Rome?//

The Pope was EXILED to France. Meaning it isn't his original home. Jerusalem was.

Pope Francis isn't in Rome. He is the Bishop of Rome, but lives in Vatican city. My Bishop lived in Atlanta when I lived in Thomasville GA. Still was my Bishop
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/16/19


Nicole, okay then. No problem..
---JS1234 on 7/14/19


The Vatican where the Pope rules the Roman Catholic church.

As Wikipedia points out it is known as both.

The Catholic Church, also known as the Roman Catholic Church.

Look it up. I use the Roman Catholic since it eliminates confusion. In Scholarly terms catholic means universal. But the Roman Catholic is not the universal church. Protestants and Orthodox churches also exist.

So tell me is the Pope going to move back to France anytime soon and leave Rome?
---Samuelbb7 on 7/15/19


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JS1234: You yourself are permitted to attend a Byzantine Catholic mass and receive communion there.//

Yes, I knew, but what you just said ISN'T what Cluny said.

Cluny made up a religion/Church.

***Nicole, did you know that Roman Catholics of the Byzantine tradition..---Cluny on 7/13/19

Who are these 'Roman Catholics'? Imaginary people in Cluny's head.

BTW, it wouldn't make sense anyway.

Byzantines call themselves 'Byzantine Catholics'

As I would call myself 'Latin Rite Catholic.

It is as if Cluny said Alabamians Americans in Texas tradition....???

Both groups are Americans, but in separate States.

They don't have to use passports to enter each other states.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/14/19


Nicole, Cluny is not confusing me. If you'd rather that I don't use the word Rome, I won't. I will restate what I said.

The Byzantine Catholic Church is in communion with Pope Francis. You yourself are permitted to attend a Byzantine Catholic mass and receive communion there.

I hope that straightened things out.
---JS1234 on 7/14/19


Cluny, Rome is a city in Italy and Her capital.

Or did you not know this?

JS1234, Cluny and the rest believe people can change anyone's name just as long they can get enough people to sign petitions or vote on it.

It matters not the person's REAL name. It matters not to them.

I am 47 yrs old. When I was young, we used the most popular brand name for every similar products produced by another company.

Xerox for every copying machines and method. Such as we would say 'Please xeroxs this for me.'

Kleenex for every tissue brands.

'Please hand me a Kleenex.'

Or Kodak for camera, RCA for televisions.

Now Xerox, Kleenex, Kodak, and RCA were PLEASED, but NOT Cannon, Puffs, Olympus or Sony.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/14/19


JS1234: the Byzantine Catholics are in communion with Rome.//

Don't let Cluny confuse you. He is doing it purposely.

Rome doesn't run a Church. Rome is the capital of Italy.

If you are talking about the Catholic Church, She presides in Her own Country Vatican City.

Vatican City is the smallest country in the world.

That's why when Pope Benedict XVI came to United States he arrived via Andrews Andrews Air Force Base to meet President Bush.

People were mad saying Bush was favoring a religion over other religions.

Our Officials had to REMIND people that ALL HEADS of States (Countries) arrive into America through Andrews air force base.

People FORGOT that Vatican City is an actual Country.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/14/19


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\\
Mostly likely because Vatican I was started by the Catholic Church.\\

The Melkites, Ruthenians, Maronites, and Chaldeans are all Eastern Catholic churches in communion with Rome. (This is hardly an exhaustive list, btw.)

St. George's Melkite church in Bham is an Eastern CATHOLIC (not Orthodox) Church.

Or did you not know all this?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/14/19


Nicole, the Byzantine Catholics are in communion with Rome.
---JS1234 on 7/13/19


jerry6593:

You wrote: From which verse do you read your Sunday observance, particularly when the entire Bible speaks of seventh-day Sabbath observance?

First, what makes you think I observe Sunday? When have I ever said that I did?

Second, the Old Testament frequently commands observing the Sabbath, but I can't recall ANYWHERE in the New Testament where Christians are commanded to observe the Sabbath. Paul himself said we shouldn't allow anyone to argue with us about it, something which you keep ignoring.

My theology is based on what I read in the Bible, not on the peculiaries of any church.
---StrongAxe on 7/13/19


\\ Or is your theology based solely on the dictates of the church?
\\

So is yours, jerry.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/13/19


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Cluny: Nicole, did you know that Roman Catholics of the Byzantine tradition do NOT believe in Filioque and don't really accept Vatican I?//

Mostly likely because Vatican I was started by the Catholic Church.

That's like telling me the Southern Baptists doesn't accept Vatican I.

So, I am not surprised.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/13/19


I would keep the Sabbath if it was required. The problem is, there are no instructions in the New Testament on how to keep it. And the instructions in the Old Testament require things like not being able to cook or drive a car (i.e., lighting fires is forbidden), and demand the death penalty for non-compliance.
---JS1234 on 7/13/19


ax: "This is ONLY SDA reading their own theology into this verse."

Of course I disagree with this statement, but it begs the question: From which verse do you read your Sunday observance, particularly when the entire Bible speaks of seventh-day Sabbath observance? Or is your theology based solely on the dictates of the church?


---jerry6593 on 7/13/19


Nicole, did you know that Roman Catholics of the Byzantine tradition do NOT believe in Filioque and don't really accept Vatican I?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/13/19


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Monk: Right you are that Fr. Mitch said that. But "Roman" was used earlier than the 1400's.//

He gave 2 statements.

"We (Catholic) don't call ourselves 'Roman'.

Then, he said who started that word.

Now, you can disagree with who started the name, but that isn't the point.

The point is that it isn't our name and the Vatican never declared it as our name.

//But if YOU, PERSONALLY don't wish to be called "Roman Catholic," then I will cease, and just address you as Catholic.//

Thank you very much.

I never thought it would be so hard, nor asking much to ask other Christians to call another Faith by their REAL name without adjectives.

Thus, the state of our days.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/9/19


Nicole Lacey said, "I will give it to you again.

'EWTN Live - Protestant Theology - Fr. Mitch Pacwa, S.J. with David Anders - 06-23-2010' "


Right you are that Fr. Mitch said that. But "Roman" was used earlier than the 1400's.

The Arabs had been using "Rum" (pronounced rhoom) for 500 years before, to distinguish from the "Lateen" which come from the Western Catholic Church.

But if YOU, PERSONALLY don't wish to be called "Roman Catholic," then I will cease, and just address you as Catholic.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/8/19


\\He was talking about the observance of religious festivals.\\

No, he wasn't.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/7/19


jerry6593:

If Paul was talking ONLY about religious festival sabbaths, he would not have needed to mention them, because he ALREADY mentioned "holy day". "Sabbath days" includes special religious sabbaths AND ALSO normal every week sabbaths (i.e. most of them). There is nothing anywhere else in the chapter to indicate that he means only special festival sabbaths here. This is ONLY SDA reading their own theology into this verse, to use circular reasoning to prove their theology is correct.

BTW, you posted this on the wrong blog.

Oops! Yes, I had noticed that, just after I hit SEND, that I was on the wrong window.
---StrongAxe on 7/7/19


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People who beat each other up with scripture have lost their way.
---JS1234 on 7/7/19


ax: "Paul said "Let no one judge you with respect to the sabbath"."

NO, HE DIDN'T!

He said:

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Note: sabbath days - not THE Sabbath Day. He was talking about the observance of religious festivals.

BTW, you posted this on the wrong blog.


---jerry6593 on 7/7/19


Chria: Sometimes just letting things be is the best we can do.//

I agree in most settings and atmosphere.

CN isn't the only place I heard people calling the CC 'Roman'.

Strangely enough, Atheists will call your Faith whatever you ask them if you tell them it bothers you.

After all it isn't their Faith and doesn't matter to them.

I just expect the same courtesy from Christian people on a Christian website.

As my brother always tells me, "You won't be disappointed in someone if you don't have high expectation in him/her in the first place."

Some people will be small because they enjoy being small.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/5/19


StrongAxe: but witnesses naming people in court.//

What?

That's our whole debate.

You'll claiming 'Roman' is our name, instead of a nickname.

//If a witness says, "I seen Hot-Fingers Marciano over dere (pointing at witness) breaking into da car",//

That's a adjective which the Judge would NOT allow. Why?

Because the witness is trying to influence Jury.

He is claiming Marciano STEALS so much that he deserved the nickname. Thus, you can believe that he also stole the car in this case.

It isn't different for a rape victim. The Judge would not allow a nickname of Fast or Easy Susan said in court.

You can ONLY refer to her by her LEGAL NAME!
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/4/19


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There are a lot of Catholic churches out there, including the Roman Catholic Church, the American Catholic Church, the Liberal Catholic Church, the Anglican Catholic Church, and who knows what else...
---JS1234 on 7/4/19


jerry6593:

I go by what Paul ACTUALLY WROTE, not what you infer about his life. How do you know "Paul kept the Sabbath"? The Bible just says he went into the synagogue and preached the gospel - that was the best time to reach his target audience. Nowhere in the Old Testament are "preaching" (or, for that manner, "worship") mentioned as activities that are required to be performed on the Sabbath.

*I* do not make Paul a hypocrite. *YOU* do. He said each observes whatever day he sees fit - that was NOT a violation of God's commandment. Only YOUR MISINTERPRETATION of Paul makes it one.

I reject your censure of me on this, as Paul said "Let no one judge you with respect to the sabbath".
---StrongAxe on 7/4/19


"When I asked people to stop using 'Roman' why the refusal?

What you have to ask yourselves why the resistance?"

Nicole, refusals on the parts of others I cannot presume to know, at least not fully. Speculations on my part may do little good.

As for asking myself 'why', that is a question for examination of self, for if I ask it about another, (unless for understanding and their best interest) I too may have the same struggles. This applies to many things or actions in addition to resistance. Put another way, I desire to guard against judging lest I be judged.
Sometimes just letting things be is the best we can do.
---Chria9396 on 7/4/19


Chria: I referred to us as RC from a young age. Many may mean no harm using that label, so why take offense?//

Good question. My grandmother preferred you to call her 'color'. Back in her day that's what White understood to call Black people colored NOT nergo. Change.

When I was young I called Asian people Oriental. 10 years ago I was asked to stopped. I didn't mean any harm. But when asked to stopped I didn't say "Why? No harm here."

When I asked people to stop using 'Roman' why the refusal?

What you have to ask yourselves why the resistance?
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/2/19


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Nicole_Lacey:

YOUR lawyer would have standing to object, because YOU gave him authority to speak on your behalf. I am not talking about what the COURT calls people, but witnesses naming people in court. If a witness says, "I seen Hot-Fingers Marciano over dere (pointing at witness) breaking into da car", Marciano could object to that nickname, and so could his lawyer, but NOBODY ELSE could.

Yes, you can't call Jews a name THAT OTHER JEWS OBJECT TO. However when other Jews THEMSELVES don't object to the term, YOU have no right to decide ON THEIR BEHALF that it's objectionable.

The Catholic Church says the term is inaccurate BUT DOES NOT SAY IT IS OFFENSIVE. As such, YOU do not get to decide that for them.
---StrongAxe on 7/2/19


Just a thought...
Nicole, I was raised Catholic, attended Catholic school through 8th grade. Dad was Catholic, Mom 'protestant'. I referred to us as RC from a young age. Many may mean no harm using that label, so why take offense? And if harm IS intended, isn't that their problem? Taking offense may be a choice, but is it beneficial?
---Chria9396 on 7/2/19


Really StrongAxe? If someone said "I saw Nikki stealing a car." My Lawyer would object because Nikki isn't my name.

Courts NEVER use nicknames.They ALWAYS have to use LEGAL NAMES.

You can't use made up impossible analogies to back up your point.

//"Standing" is a legal concept.//

Yes, and I have 'standing'.

You can't call a Jew by racial slur name and claim you are speaking about other Jews.

You can call me Black. Because I am. But you can't call me the 'N' word.

//YOU are not affected by what others call CC, so YOU don't have a say in defining what it's called.//

I am Catholic!

I don't care what you call a Baptist, Orthodox or a Mormon. Because those I am not.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/1/19


Nicole_Lacey:

If someone in court calls you "Nikki", YOU can say "My name is Nicole, NOT Nikki."

If someone in court calls James "Jim", HE can say "My name is Jim, not James.", but if he doesn't object, YOU can't jump up and say "I object! His REAL name is James!"

Do you see the difference?

"Standing" is a legal concept. Parties affected by a thing can sue each other over it, but other parties not affected can't. If Tom's tree falls on Dick's car, they can sue each other, but you can't sue them, because it doesn't affect you. You don't have standing.

YOU are not affected by what others call CC, so YOU don't have a say in defining what it's called.
---StrongAxe on 7/1/19


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Cluny, I don't know which world you are in where the word 'doesn't' can also include 'sometimes'?

I guess in that same world the word 'no' sometimes means 'yes'.

Please just Cite from the HOLY SEE, calling Herself 'Roman'? Not quotations

HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO ASK THIS FROM YOU ALL???

Holy See also mean Vatican City.

Vatican City is a Country located inside the City of Rome.

Rome is the capital city of another Country called Italy.

So, I believe Italy is the only Country that has another Country inside.

StrongAxe, wanting me to prove a negative is ridiculous as well.

That's like asking me to prove my name isn't Nancy in official documents.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/30/19


Nicole_Lacey:

My analogy is NOT off, because YOU ARE NOT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. YOU have no authority whatsoever to decide what the Catholic church can and cannot be called. Not even clergy of the church have that authority, unless they are in a position to make policy for the Church (e.g. the Pope).

If someone calls YOU "Speedy Gonzales" and you find that offensive, you have the right to ask them to stop. If someone calls your SISTER "Speedy Gonzales", and SHE doesn't object, YOU don't have the right to ask them to stop. Do you still not see the difference?
---StrongAxe on 6/30/19


StrongAxe, your Mark and Markie analogy is off. Because I am not part of you.

As your sister and our Sir Name is Gonzales, but people called us 'Speedy Gonzales family.' instead.

You don't care, but it bothers me. So, I start telling people our name is JUST Gonzales, PERIOD.

They reply: 'Well, we been calling you all 'Speedy Gonzales since you all were in diapers. WHY are you taking offense to that name now?
After all, your brother doesn't care, why should you?' Besides, you do speak fast.

(BTW, even though I had another common spanish last name, people use to call me speedy Gonzales because I spoke VERY fast.)

I will tell them because 'SPEEDY' isn't our name and that should a good ENOUGH REASON for to stop!
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/30/19


Nicole_Lacey:

If the Catholic Church finds the term "Roman" to be inaccurate, but acceptable, and does not take offense at the use of that term, why do YOU find it offensive?

If my name is Mark, and somebody calls me Markie, and I don't mind, why should YOU mind? Doesn't the ultimate decision MINE to decide whether a name somebody else uses for me is offensive of not?

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints doesn't call itself Mormon, but everybody else does, and they don't mind.

Again, what one priest says as his opinion, is not the official teaching of the church. If a priest finds it objectionable and A POPE does not, whose opinion carries more weight?
---StrongAxe on 6/29/19


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\\The mere FACT that She doesn't call Herself 'Roman' is enough.\\

Except for the fact she sometimes does.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/29/19


StrongAxe, why does the CC has to have an official teaching of Her name?

The mere FACT that She doesn't call Herself 'Roman' is enough.

Show me the official teaching of Pentecostals that their name isn't 'Holy Rollers'?

Do you know how many Pentecostals call themselves 'Holy Rollers'? Many, themselfs call themself Holy Rollers.

I gave you all a YouTube video of a Priest telling you that 'Roman' ISN'T included with the CC.

I will give it to you again.

'EWTN Live - Protestant Theology - Fr. Mitch Pacwa, S.J. with David Anders - 06-23-2010'

Speed up the video to 34 minutes and 34 sec. Hear his words and you will see I am NOT the only Catholic saying 'Roman' ISN'T part of the CC.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/28/19


Nicole_Lacey:

I didn't say Comparative Religion *IS* offered. I said *IF* it is offered, it would be an elective rather than a core course. Once again, PLEASE address what I ACTUALLY SAY, rather than what you THINK I say.

Monk_Brendan said he was taught *ABOUT* Islam. He did not say he was *TAUGHT* Islam. The first is history. The second is indoctrination. Please learn the difference.

When we learn that the Holocaust murdered Jews, that's history. If a school tells us to murder Jews and how to do it, that's indoctrination. See the difference?
---StrongAxe on 6/28/19


Monk,
1. I said public schools NOT private.

2. StrongAxe DIDN'T go to American Public schools, so he was mistaken was what subjects are ALLOWED.

3. Thank you for telling StrongAxe WHAT I said was going on in PUBLIC schools.

***Even teaching children other Faiths at school to their children.---Nicole_Lacey on 6/13/19

Monk: In junior high I did go to a public school, and there I was taught about Islam.//

Exactly! Telling people their own experience is indoctrination.

I am positive he DIDN'T give a negative experience thus indoctrination.

You know like when Police and Firefighter, Doctors, Judges, Plumbers etc. speak to the children? They are NOT trying to prevent them from joining their ranks.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/28/19


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Nicole said, "StrongAxe, you never went to an American public school. Comparative Religion isn't offered in public schools K-12."

I DID

While it is true that Comparative Religion is not taught as a requirement in High School, it was taught in the Roman Catholic high school where I went. But it was comparative, not indoctrination.

In junior high I did go to a public school, and there I was taught about Islam. But even there it was listening to one man tell HIS experience, and NOT indoctrination. I know the difference. I was taught by the ROMAN Catholic nuns, and they indoctrinated me, I know.
---Monk_Brendan on 6/28/19


I did read the letter, Nicole.

Have you ever looked up "Holy See using Roman Catholic"?

You might be surprised.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/27/19


Nicole_Lacey:

YOU have the authority to tell other people what to call you or not.

The Catholic Church has the authority to tell other people what to call it or not. (I have yet to see an OFFICIAL TEACHING of the Catholic Church saying that the phrase "Roman" is objectionable.)

YOU do NOT have the authority to tell other people what to call the Catholic Church or not. Understand?
---StrongAxe on 6/27/19


BTW Strongaxe, Nicole isn't even my first name that gave me my nickname Nikki.

Nikki isn't on my birth certificate, nurse licenses, car loan. registration, house loan/deed, medical insurance, credit cards nor driver's license.

It doesn't matter if all my family or friends claim or wish for it to be my name.

Samuel, people have different names for different races also, but it doesn't make it their names.

You are teacher and should know better
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/27/19


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Cluny, read the letter instead of being stubborn

StrongAxe, It doesn't matter if you heard it all your life or if people still say it. even by Hierarchy

I gave you a YouTube video of a Priest telling you the SAME THING.

An true analogy: I been called 'Nikki' all my life. In fact, my mom forgot to tell me my REAL name. I found out by my kindergarten Teacher.

People call me Nikki today. No one would tell me it's my name because everyone has called me Nikki since my birth and are still calling me 'Nikki'. Esp. my parents. After all they should know because they are the hierarchical members in my family.

Plus, if I told them to please STOP calling me 'Nikki' they WOULDN'T argue with me.

Understand?
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/27/19


We call them Roman because the Pope is in Rome.

But we use the term catholic to refer to the universal church. Which the Pole claims he is in charge of.

The point being to make sure who we are talking about we use the correct words. No matter what you or others say.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/27/19


You're in major denial, aren't you, Nicole?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/26/19


Nicole_Lacey:

I keep telling you that CHURCH AUTHORITIES in the CATHOLIC CHURCH where I grew up in (and other Catholic churches in the area) CONSTANTLY used the term Roman Catholic.

*YOU* did it again. I did *NOT* say "The CC heirarchy call themselves Roman". I did *NOT* say it was "THE official title". I DID say it was an *ACCEPTABLE* name, because many in the Church did actually use it, and none of them EVER objected to its use.

I didn't say "people who left the CC". I was talking about ACTUAL PRACTICING CATHOLICS. Stop criticizing things that I didn't say. Please pay attention to what I ACTUALLY WRITE.
---StrongAxe on 6/27/19


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Cluny: if Pope Pius XII wrote the last official document using that term, it must have been used officially before that at least once. Right?//

Nope.

Again the Pope is stating other people's words NOT the Holy See.

ENCYCLICAL HUMANI GENERIS OF THE HOLY FATHER Pope Pius XII *27. SOME SAY they are not bound by the doctrine, explained in Our Encyclical Letter of a few years ago, and based on the Sources of Revelation, which teaches that the Mystical Body of Christ and the Roman Catholic Church are one and the same thing. Some reduce to a meaningless formula the necessity of belonging to the true Church in order to gain eternal salvation. Others finally belittle the reasonable character of the credibility of Christian faith*
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/26/19


Nicole, I found this line in the Wikipedia article "Roman Catholic Church."

** However, the last official magisterium document to use "Roman Catholic Church" was issued by Pope Pius XII in 1950.[16]**

So, if Pope Pius XII wrote the last official document using that term, it must have been used officially before that at least once.

Right?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/26/19


StrongAxe, you never went to an American public school. Comparative Religion isn't offered in public schools K-12.

You are forgetful. You alway bring up a Pope quoting another person claiming the Pope was endorsing the name. I keep telling you the CC NEVER leaves out a word or changes a word when quoting someone.

//Why do YOU have such a problem with it when most in the church hierarchy do not?//

You did it again! Most of the CC hierarchy DO NOT call Herself 'Roman'. The Protestant Hierarchy call the CC 'Roman'.

//You are the *ONLY* Catholic I have *EVER* talked to who finds the term objectionable.//

Because anyone who left the CC is already confused about Her and hangs around people feeding the confusion.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/26/19


Nicole_Lacey:

In high school, students have certain core courses they MUST take, and also certain electives, and can choose among those. If Comparative Religion is offered, it is typically an elective rather than a core course (unless you're attending a theological seminary, for example).

I *NEVER* said "Roman Catholic" was the *OFFICIAL* name of the church. All I said was that it was an *ACCEPTABLE* name. When I was growing up, Our CATHOLIC church used it all the time among ourselves. A pope favorably quoted a SAINT saying it without any qualifications. Why do YOU have such a problem with it when most in the church hierarchy do not? You are the *ONLY* Catholic I have *EVER* talked to who finds the term objectionable.
---StrongAxe on 6/26/19


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StrongAxe: (And I'm not talking about Comparative Religion classes, which are generallly voluntary,//

Voluntary? NO ONE can volunteering decide a course in public school?

//and provide an abstract perspective on all religions,//

HELLO, that's is the point. Even on CN people teach other people's Faith wrongly and claim it is the truth. (i.e. Catholics worship Mary)

//E.g. Saying "Islam teaches that Muhammed was a prophet" is abstract, while saying "Muhammed was a prophet" is indoctrination.)//

What about you all claiming 'Roman' is the official name of the Catholic Church? Which IS INDOCTRINATION!

That's WHY NO FAITH is taught!

Only the history surrounding a faith is taught.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/25/19


When I was a kid, I chose two cute girls to be my girlfriends, and my father praised me for having such good taste. But because of how we learned beauty discrimination, even at home, at school we could look down on and pick on girls who were not so cute.

In choosing who to date and marry, it appears that many men judge a woman by what she looks like, in order to decide if she is desirable. And women, even, try to use looks to hook a guy.

But the bait you use can be what chooses the fish you catch!

"rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4)

We need to teach children how to love.
---Bill on 6/25/19


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: Even teaching children other Faiths at school to their children.

What schools are teaching "other faiths" at school to children? (And I'm not talking about Comparative Religion classes, which are generallly voluntary, and provide an abstract perspective on all religions, but don't specifically teach any of them as "the right one". E.g. Saying "Islam teaches that Muhammed was a prophet" is abstract, while saying "Muhammed was a prophet" is indoctrination.)
---StrongAxe on 6/25/19


"Do all things without complaining and disputing, that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation," (in Philippians 2:13-16)

So, arguing and complaining are against how God wants us to live and to relate in His love. These can help to break us down and keep us weak. And our own bad example and abuse of arguing can do more damage than evils from outside the family can.

Our own good example can help, then, with prayer trusting God.
---Bill on 6/24/19


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Indeed JS1234.

Many families have to homeschool their children.

The public schools are deliberately trying to undermine parent taught Christian values to their kids at home.

Even teaching children other Faiths at school to their children.

Telling children sexual acts are not sinful and or not sexual acts at all.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/13/19


Love is patient and kind, love does not envy or boast, it is not arrogantor rude. It does not insist on its own way, it is not irritable or resentful, it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. - 1 Corinthians 13:4-7
---JS1234 on 6/12/19


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