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How are people going to feel when they go to heaven and discover that their parents and siblings and other loved ones are all burning in hell?

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 ---JS1234 on 7/17/19
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I want to apologize to kathr for the thoughtless, cruel, and mean thing I said to her.

Forgive me, please.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/29/19


The Word of God is living and powerful and sharper than a two edge sword piercing between soul and spirit, bone and marrow ...YEP Strongaxe, you fail too to not only leave out the POWER OF THE WORD, but the accompanying Holy Spirit. Without either NO ONE not even you and me would want to listen, especially to human words and Not GODS WORD.

Some plant some water but GOD GIVES THE INCREASE.
---kathr4453 on 7/29/19


\Nobody will even HEAR the word of God, if they have no reason to want to listen to it in the first place, as there are literally thousands of religions out there, all saying different things, and most of them HAVE to be wrong.\\

The Savior Himself said, "You will hear and hear and not understand."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/28/19


kathr4453:

Not exactly: The actual quote is: Romans 10:17
"So then faith cometh by hearing, AND hearing by the word of God."

But you are missing my point. Nobody will even HEAR the word of God, if they have no reason to want to listen to it in the first place, as there are literally thousands of religions out there, all saying different things, and most of them HAVE to be wrong.

Even if they do hear the gospel, if the message of an all-powerful all-loving God clashes with the broken world they see with their own eyes, they're more likely to believe their own senses.
---StrongAxe on 7/28/19


\\Cluny: What fourth alternative?\\

I know you have difficulty comprehending and remembering what you read. Maybe it's your stroke causing it.

For your benefit, I will repeat it here:

**My fourth alternative of StrongAxe's statement is that God works through people to fix things as a general rule.**

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/28/19




Cluny: What fourth alternative?

Nicole_Lacey:

You are missing my point. If someone looks at the world's problems and is told "God is all powerful, loves you, and can solve all your problems, and the Bible talks all about him", he might ask "Why does God allow all this suffering to go on? He must not really be that all-powerful and loving after all". They will dismiss the Bible without reading it.

People don't want to look at starving children and be told "Don't worry, even thou children are starving today, someday we will all be in a paradise where everything will be fine". That does not solve their problems TODAY.

I'm not talking about preaching to the converted, but the unconverted.
---StrongAxe on 7/28/19


FAITH COMES BY HEARING THE WORD OF GOD


Seems Strongaxe and JS1234 has failed to realize this OR what Paul said in Romans 10.
---kathr4453 on 7/28/19


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Cluny, if you USE the WRONG oil which makes you our fault for using the wrong oil.\\

How about if there were a lapse of quality control in the refining of the oil previously used with no problem?

My fourth alternative of StrongAxe's statement is that God works through people to fix things as a general rule.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/28/19


Cluny, if you USE the WRONG oil which makes you our fault for using the wrong oil.

StrongAxe: How can you even convince someone to read the Bible in the first place, if they see all the problems in the world,//

If they CARE and are looking for solutions there wouldn't be any problem.

//the fact that God isn't fixing them either means he doesn't exist,//

See what I mean? You as well do not understand the Bible.

The whole Bible is ABOUT how He is fixing problems.

//or he doesn't care (meaning he isn't all loving).//

Again, the Bible is ONLY about God's Salvation plan for us.

He cares so much He sent His ONly begotten Son to save us.

You know your favorite verse in the Bible: John 3:16.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/28/19


There is a fourth alternative, StrongAxe.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/28/19




Nicole_Lacey:

It's a chicken and egg problem. How can you even convince someone to read the Bible in the first place, if they see all the problems in the world, and the fact that God isn't fixing them either means he doesn't exist, or he either can't fix them (meaning he isn't omnipotent), or he doesn't care (meaning he isn't all loving).
---StrongAxe on 7/27/19


\\If I misread a 'how to change oil in a car, and it breaks down. Is it the manual's fault or me?
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/27/19\\

It might be the oil's fault.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/27/19


Chria, maggots also promotes tissue regeneration. If there any eschar (black hard dead skin) the wound underneath can not heal. So its helps to debride the tissue.

BTW, we use sterile grown maggots with consent by the patient.

Strongaxe, people who blame God for the bad and evil events in the world are not reading the Bible correctly.

If I misread a 'how to change oil in a car, and it breaks down. Is it the manual's fault or me?
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/27/19


\\I don't know what 'experts' say, but I had thought it to refer to something like a maggot which feeds off of what is decaying. \\

This is referred to in the Russian Orthodox classic THE WAY OF A PILGRIM.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/27/19


Most of you are doing injustice to many souls and need to be careful.

I can't believe how far you all have gotten from the TRUTH.

Jesus NEVER said that hell was temporary.

Just as Ruben said before, if you believe the word 'eternal' as forever when applied to Heaven, then you CAN'T change the meaning of that SAME word when it is applied to 'hell'.

You all claim 'Bible' only in order to make your theories and feelings comfort you.

Hell is forever has Jesus said. What part of 'worms will never die' do you not understand? Mark 9:48

So, people in hell will die, but not worms?
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/27/19


People will very likely turn down a "free gift" if they don't trust the person who is trying to deliver it.
---JS1234 on 7/26/19


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Cluny,


"What exactly DOES "worm" mean in this verse?"

I don't know what 'experts' say, but I had thought it to refer to something like a maggot which feeds off of what is decaying. So that while one exists, there is a food source. The 'worm', whether thoughts or something else would continue to 'plague' that one for their entire existence.

A side note: Historically and even to this day, maggots have been used to eat away infection, in some instances ridding one of that infection.
---chria9396 on 7/27/19


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That those who are lost will die the Second death and cease to exist. \\

That can be debated, Samuel.

Have you read THE RIVER OF FIRE by Alexander Kalomiros?

I'm not saying it's the last Orthodox teaching on the subject.

But I shared it with an SDA minister who said he found it interesting and thought provoking.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/26/19


I understand death and hell being cast away is that all the wicked will be destroyed and there will be no more hell.

That those who are lost will die the Second death and cease to exist.

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The wicked die. They don't have eternal life.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/26/19


Barb: ..Eternal speaks to us using time so that we can understand.//

What do words like forever, everlasting, eternal, etc. mean in Eternity?//

Ironically, those words does not existence on earth. But only in eternity.

//Eternal punishment is the second death.//

Not to Jesus. Matt 26:24b But woe to that man by whom He is betrayed. It would be better for him if he had not been born.

Death as you think would be the same as no life before birth. But not to Jesus. The person would be in eternal punishment.

Don't diminish His Word. You will only misled others in not taking God's Words seriously.

//Not sure what you mean about marriage and babies.//

You claim bodies will burn out Hell's fire.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/26/19


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kathr4453:

There is another reason why people don't accept free gifts - if they don't believe they are real. Have you ever received an email from a Nigerian prince or bureaucrat offering to share $12 million with you? That sounds like a great offer, that everyone should immediately accept. However, most people do not - because they realize that this offer is too good to be true (because it is).

Many people hear the Gospel on one hand, but on the other hand, they see the world, and all the problems in it, that God could easily fix if he wanted to, yet he doesn't - so it leads them to believe that God isn't real, so the good news of the Gospel, as appealing as it is, therefore isn't real either.
---StrongAxe on 7/26/19


JS1234 The Gospel is wonderful news. It is offered freely to all, a gift, but we all know not everyone will accept the free gift. It doesn't get anymore loving and generous than that. Have you ever run across anyone that simply refuses to accept a free gift? I have. It's actually PRIDE that gets in the way. Like, oh no I couldn't..no no I just can't....bla bla bla. Gifts are never forced on anyone...
---kathr4453 on 7/25/19


kathr4453:

I'm not asking you about various references to death in scripture. I am asking you about how you interpret this one verse (for the third time):

Revelation 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
---StrongAxe on 7/25/19


Strongaxe, there are many references to death in scripture. It does not mean extinguished. Adam and Eve INSTANTLY DIED the moment they disobeyed God. They were not instantly extinguished. Nor was their soul extinguished. That would mean those facing judgement would be reincarnated,.
---kathr4453 on 7/25/19


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Note that it is their worm that shall not die, \\

What exactly DOES "worm" mean in this verse?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/25/19


"Isaiah 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched, and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh."

Note that it is their worm that shall not die, and their fire that shall not be quenched, so what happens when they (persons)are destroyed in the lake of fire?
---chria9396 on 7/25/19


Kathr, gospel means good news. Your "gospel" says that billions of people will burn in hell forever. That's not good news. Just saying...
---JS1234 on 7/25/19


kathr4453:

By a strict reading of that, it would imply that worms somehow become immortal too.

You still haven't answered my question about how you interpret Revelation 20:14.
---StrongAxe on 7/25/19


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Isaiah 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched, and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

More supporting scripture to Daniel 12:2 debunking universalism OR pergetory as a temporary place of fire supposedly to refine, aka a form of universalism.

And Barb, here clearly says the fire will never end. You see, Gods lake of fire does not need earthly oxygen and combustibles. Remember the "burning bush" never burned up.
---kat453 on 7/25/19


Nicole, I was agreeing with you. There is no time in Eternity. God, who lives in Eternity and is Eternal speaks to us using time so that we can understand. What do words like forever, everlasting, eternal, etc. mean in Eternity?

Eternal punishment is the second death. I hesitate to say this, but it is God who puts an end to all sin and sinners and when God puts a person or spirit to death, they are gone. Hell and hades are thrown into the lake of fire and God creates a new Heaven and Earth.

Please read Malachi 4:1-3 again. There might be more to it than you think. I see some interesting time elements there.

Not sure what you mean about marriage and babies.
---barb on 7/24/19


JS1234, God has called us to defend the Gospel, and is what I am doing. So as long as you post here, so will I , "defending" , the Gospel. The one you oppose. There's only one gospel.

It's the hearts desire of all Christians to proclaim the Gospel of salvation, because oneday, either we die and face the judgment or will be here when the Lord Returns, and there will be no second chances.

No scripture says ETERNAL LIFE will be given to all. "SOME" TO ETERNAL LIFE AND "SOME " ETERNAL CONTEMPT. So says Daniel 12:2.

The definition of "Some" is not ALL, the definition of "eternal" is not temporary.
---kathr4453 on 7/25/19


JS1234, Jesus /God said to the Jews...ALL DAY LONG I HAVE STRETCHED OUT MY HAND TO YOU BUT YOU WOULD NOT.

God does not FORCE His will on anyone. Yet isn't it wonderful that God is saying Calvinism is a false religion? God gave Saul many changes, David forgiving him over and over, yet Saul , by his own prideful heart did not submit himself to the will of God. See, that's the thing, we need to submit to GOD'S WILL. That may be a subject you might want to study.

Even Jesus said..."NOT MY WILL BUT THINE BE DONE"..

ONLY THOSE who DO the WILL of My Father.

God's WILL is for you to BELIEVE on the Lord Jesus Christ. Yet many will not submit to Gods will..called disobedient, children of wrath.
---kathr4453 on 7/24/19


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Kathr, there are more scriptures than you realize that uphold my position. You do not have to agree with me. Whether or not you agree with me, I am sure that your salvation is secure, and that makes me happy.
---JS1234 on 7/24/19


JS1234, Colossians iwritten to those saved, and only those saved will be reconciled. We can take the word ALL THINGS, one could say included the sun and moon, yet we see in the new heaven and earth there will be no sun and moon.

Jesus is head of the NEW CREATION, where no evil will enter in, therefore fallen Angels aka evil demons having no hope of redemption or reconciliation will not be reconciled ...but will suffer ETERNAL DAMNATION, ETERNAL DARKNESS, ETERNAL PUNISHMENT.

Too many verses do not support your opinion, therefore cannot be supported by scripture. Colossians is a deeper layer of truth to those saved. Jesus would never have had to die and rise again if everyone in the end is saved.
---kathr4453 on 7/24/19


Barb: Nicole, time has nothing to with it because as you said there isn't any.//

???

You are changing your talking points.

Didn't you say that hell isn't forever?

If you are correct then you, not me are suggesting a 'time' frame.

//This same fire will burn until it puts itself out when it runs out of fuel...bodies and souls to consume.//

You are mixing time and eternity.

Marriages and having babies only occurs during time period for "bodies or souls" to fill hell. Non in Heaven, nor once you reach heaven can you go to hell.

'Runs outs' denotes time.

Please just answer my question.

Jesus said "eternal punishment"

What does those 2 words mean to you?
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/24/19


Strongaxe, I'll try to answer your question. The first death happened at the Garden of Eden when Adam and Eve sinned, sin separated man from God. Jesus , came to reconcile man back to God( not by universalism) but by those who exercise their free will to put their faith in Jesus ...when doing so, only THESE FOLKS will be part of the first resurrection, as Jesus said I AM the resurrection, and will not see a second death. The second death is the lake of fire. Everything not part of the first resurrection will be thrown into the lake of fire. Even OT saints who put their faith in Jesus like Abel , looking forward to the Coming Redeemer will be part of the first resurrection, will not experience a second death....which is the lake of fire.
---kathr4453 on 7/24/19


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Kathr, I don't see anything further on in Colossians that contradicts what I wrote. Either God is going to reconcile all things to himself, or he is not. It is not absolutely clear in scripture how he is going to go about doing it. But he has said that he wants everybody to be saved, and if he wants that, he will get it. Reference 1 Timothy 2:4. Nothing can thwart God's will, especially not human free will.
---JS1234 on 7/24/19


JS 1234, it does appear you didn't read further verses Colossians 1:21-29. A crooked salesman will never make sure you read ALL THE FINE PRINT. Just don't follow that kind of person's ways when you go to sell your goods to another.

Cluny, Anything to argue....don't even know what you are arguing about.

The conversation is ETERNAL DEATH, ETERNAL TORMENT, ETERNAL SEPARATION FROM GOD. Yes all that was CREATED by GOD, yet HIS WORDS say they are ETERNAL/EVERLASTING.

Matthew 25:46, Mark 3:29, 2 Thesselonians 1:9, Jude 1:6 are very clear on the subject. Everlasting and eternal are used interchangeable in these clearly defined scriptures.
---kathr4453 on 7/24/19


Kathr, to me it means universal salvation. To you it does not. So I guess we will just let it go at that.
---JS1234 on 7/23/19


\\Ok I get it Cluny, you believe as Barb does, that there will be a time everything against God will be extinguished . I DONT! \\

Wrong again, kathr.

You don't get it, do you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/23/19


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Ruben, that's my point. I don't think hell is permanent.
---JS1234 on 7/23/19


kathr4453:

Then what do you think this passage means?
Revelation 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
---StrongAxe on 7/23/19


Ok I get it Cluny, you believe as Barb does, that there will be a time everything against God will be extinguished . I DONT! And see no scripture stating such things but actually the opposite....using eternal and everlasting torment, darkness etc as what I believe. I believe it means just that.

JS1234, I also don't believe that is what Colossians 1:20 mean...universal salvation. Again, you would need to explain away John 3:16 ..those who perish......are not said to be refined by fire. And so many thousands of scripture that simply show your 1 verse has no supporting scriptures of your view.
---kathr4453 on 7/23/19



If this is what God is going to do in Christ, then hell cannot be permanent. You can't have a permanent hell and the reconciliation of all things to God at the same time. It is logically impossible.
---JS1234 on 7/23/19<

What do you do with the scripture verse that say it is ever-lasting?
---Ruben on 7/23/19


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And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself, by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Colossians 1:20 KJV

If this is what God is going to do in Christ, then hell cannot be permanent. You can't have a permanent hell and the reconciliation of all things to God at the same time. It is logically impossible.
---JS1234 on 7/23/19


\\Cluny, eternal AKA EVERLASTING, ( used interchangeably in scripture)\\

Actually, they are not in the original languages.

Zoin Aionion in John 3:16 is the kind (quality) of life that God Himself has.

\\ The NONBIBLICAL PERGETORY does not exist so if that's what you are thinking\\

Orthodox do not believe in purgatory. Besides, you spelled it wrong, so that's a good sign you know nothing about it.

\\....it's a man made up doctrine. \\

Like having hymnals and your own copy of the Bible?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/23/19


Cluny, eternal AKA EVERLASTING, ( used interchangeably in scripture) doesn't always mean it equates to God. I have been given eternal life IN CHRIST, but I'm not God. Hell had a beginning, as well as Angels and man, yet Matthew says its everlasting. Angels can't die. The human soul cannot die ...so we have everlasting torment, or everlasting life. If one is temporary so is the other.

So try again yourself Cluny. The NONBIBLICAL PERGETORY does not exist so if that's what you are thinking....it's a man made up doctrine.
---kathr4453 on 7/23/19


\\Barb, actually hell was first made for the Angels who cannot be obliterated because they are eternal spirit beings. \\

Not true, kathr.

Angels are created, hence have a beginning in time, and therefore are NOT eternal.

The only eternal spirit is God Himself.

try again.


Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/23/19


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Barb, actually hell was first made for the Angels who cannot be obliterated because they are eternal spirit beings. And hell is an "everlasting punishment". Matthew 25:46. So if everlasting punishment is temporary, so is everything else that says everlasting. You can't change the definition of a word just because you feel like it.
No scripture says eternal punishment is only temporary.
---kathr4453 on 7/22/19


Nicole Lacey said, "(not quenched means to me that it will never go out)"

Nicole, maybe the Father has worked it out so that hell is so far away that (maybe) you can see the smoke rising from a long way off, but you are not bothered by it.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/22/19


Revelation 20:10 - The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are , and tormented day and night forever and ever.

Isaiah 60:20 - Thy sun shall no more go down: neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the Lord shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall end.

Revelation 10:6


( Night and Day still going on in hell ? The celestial clock has been stop . )
---RichardC on 7/21/19


Nicole, time has nothing to with it because as you said there isn't any.

You don't seem to understand that God will create a New Heaven and a New Earth because the old one will have passed away. Rev 21:1. Hell/hades will be thrown into the lake of fire which will cover the whole earth. This same fire will burn until it puts itself out when it runs out of fuel...bodies and souls to consume. There will be no sin or sinners in God's Kingdom. Matt 13:37-43.

There is no more death because the lying murderer, who is Satan has been obliterated in the fire along with all sin and sinners, therefore there is no need for a place called Hell. Rev 21:2-8.
---barb on 7/21/19


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Barb: The opposite of eternal life is eternal death which is the punishment of the goats. Matt. 25:46.//

Okay, but Jesus didn't say eternal death. If He did I could understand your thinking.

Jesus said 'eternal punishment'.

Meaning you are punished forever.

Besides, you all are thinking in the realm of time.

There isn't any time in eternity.

Time denotes an end which is impossible in eternity.

Malachi 4 speaks about the end of the world, not eternity.

Matthew 10 doesn't say anything about Hell ending. If I drop my phone into the ocean it is destroyed. It doesn't mean they both disappears.

Revelation 20 backs up Mark 9.

A lake of fire just means a massive fire.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/20/19


Also, the Greek word for Eternal is Aionios - which means "until the end of the eon" or "end of the age", not "forever" as we think in English. I'm sure Cluny would be better able to explain the nuances.
---StrongAxe on 7/20/19

So does it mean Heaven also is not forever, it is also use for Heaven.
---Ruben on 7/21/19


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: Barb, please cite Scriptures claiming Hell isn't eternal.

Revelation 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Presumably this means that both hell and death would eventually be destroyed, and no longer exist. In particular, hell CANNOT be "the lake of fire" if it's cast into the lake of fire.

Also, the Greek word for Eternal is Aionios - which means "until the end of the eon" or "end of the age", not "forever" as we think in English. I'm sure Cluny would be better able to explain the nuances.
---StrongAxe on 7/20/19


Nicole, the idea that hell is eternal is strongly refuted in this passage. If hell were eternal, God would never succeed and reconciling all things to himself.

"And he is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things he may hold the primacy: Because in him, it hath well pleased the Father, that all fullness should dwell, And through him to reconcile ALL things unto himself, making peace through the blood of his cross, both as to the things that are on earth, and the things that are in heaven."

Colossians 1:18-20 (Douai-Reims Version)
---JS1234 on 7/20/19


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Nicole, the words eternal life are used for the sheep. The opposite of eternal life is eternal death which is the punishment of the goats. Matt. 25:46.

Please keep in mind that an unquenched fire is one that has not been extinguished. It burns itself out. Ezekiel 20:47.

Some other verses for you to consider are Malachi 4:1-3, Matt. 10:27-28 and Rev. 20:13-15.
---barb on 7/20/19


Ecclesiastes 2:16 - For there is no remembrance of the wise than the fool forever, Since all that now forgotten in the days to come. And how does a wise main ideas a fool.

( Things of this world are forgotten )
---RichardC on 7/20/19


Barb, please cite Scriptures claiming Hell isn't eternal.

Jesus is clear to me.

Matthew 25:46
Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.

What do you think Jesus is saying if the word 'eternal is used for the sheep and the goats?

Are you saying the sheep will also not have eternal life since the goats will not have eternal damnation?

How can one live forever, but not the other?

Mark 9:42-49
....to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.

(Never means never to me)

..and be thrown into hell, 48 where the worms that eat them do not die, and the fire is not quenched.

(not quenched means to me that it will never go out)
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/20/19


Barb, okay, fair enough. I don't believe in an eternal hell myself either.
---JS1234 on 7/19/19


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What loving God would punish his creation for all of eternity? Which eternity?

As of this day, everyone who has died is asleep until both resurrections are fulfilled. At the first resurrection, upon the return of Jesus, the dead in Christ shall rise and... At the second resurrection, at the end of the thousand year reign of Christ, all the other dead shall rise and be judged from the book of life according to their works - some to everlasting life, some to everlasting death.

Blessed are those that rise in the first resurrection.
---Steveng on 7/19/19


Js1234, my understanding is that hell is not eternal. I could give you bible verses to back this up if you would like to read them.

When Jesus' disciples said that Lazarus was dead, He corrected them and said Lazarus is asleep. No one is burning in hell or flying around Heaven right now. God is going to make everything new, new Heaven and Earth. Hell, everything and everyone in it will be burnt up. Gone.

There will be people in Heaven who have never heard the Truth preached to them. God knows who would have followed Him and His Son if they had heard Truth instead of the lies spread through Satan, who according to Jesus was a liar and a murderer from the beginning.
---barb on 7/19/19


I believe Jesus said every teary eye will be dried. No one is going to be looking at anyone in hell from heaven. The verse in Luke was before the cross, before Jesus was the FIRST TO ENTER THE HOLY OF HOLIES AKA HEAVEN with His own blood. I know Calvinists here have stated God is so blood thirsty that He along with us will I guess get some sort of kick out of seeing this suffeting. This is false doctrine....and sick to its core.
---kathr4453 on 7/19/19


Cluny, I don't know that I won't be among them. That was my point. Matt 24:4-14.

Thank you for your correction. I should have asked "how do any of us know that we will not be joining our loved ones in hell?" I did not mean to imply I would or would not be. The verdict is God's, not mine.
---barb on 7/19/19


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Barb, if all my loved ones are in hell, then I don't want to go to heaven and have to watch them suffer for eternity. I will go suffer with them.
---JS1234 on 7/19/19


strongaxe - lies? why dont you do your own research. but you are to blind to obey man. oh why i'm just giving cluny a taste of his own medicine. how does it taste now cluny do you like it. I guess NOT. hehe. I am busting up laughing.
---mike on 7/19/19


\\Who has assured you that you won't be joining your loved ones in hell? "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord...." Matt 7:21-27. Has that day come already?\\

And how do you know that YOU will not be among them, barb?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/19/19


Who has assured you that you won't be joining your loved ones in hell? "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord...." Matt 7:21-27. Has that day come already?

Many will be casting out devils and doing great works in Jesus' name without listening to His voice? That is what those Christians in Matt 7 are doing. They are using His name but listening to the voice of a stranger. John 10:1-5. It is not Jesus doing the works or the casting out.

Jesus said follow me. "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them and they follow me." and "you believe not because you are not my sheep". John 10:24-30. Believe what? His words, His testimony, the Truth which He received from His Father.

---barb on 7/19/19


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Tez, if the story of the Rich Man and Lazarus shows us what heaven and hell will be like, it means that we will be able to talk back and forth between heaven and hell, and the horrors of hell will be laid bare for the people in heaven to view for eternity. If that's what God's plan is, it is faulty.
---JS1234 on 7/19/19


mike:

You wrote: Glory to the constantine pope, SUN god, ishtar, bugs bunny. ---Cluny on 4/14/19

Cluny NEVER said ANY OF THOSE THINGS. Why do you keep making up lies about people? You seem so obsessed with the commandment "Remember the Sabbath, to keep it holy" that you are willing to totally ignore the commandment "Thou shalt no bear false witness".
---StrongAxe on 7/19/19


cluny - Revelation says that God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

did you understand the question cluny? i thought you are smart? oh i forgot, your denomination believes that God is burning sinners in hell forever while their loved ones watch their suffering. haha God is wiping their tears forever. how ignorant.

if hell doesn't last forever, then heaven doesn't either.

The same words are used to describe the duration of both.

Glory to the constantine pope, SUN god, ishtar, bugs bunny.
---Cluny on 4/14/19
---mike on 7/18/19


They will be very sad.

But I also don't believe they suffer in hell for all eternity. I follow a doctrine called conditionalism. The view that the wicked don't get eternal life.

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

I believe these verses are true. The wages of sin is death. The wicked will die in hell.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/18/19


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Luke 16:19-31
Gives us a brief preview of the comfort and the agony in hades ,It will be sad to see our own relatives there .But we are living in times when the word of God is being preached using all media.so none of them will say they never heard.But we also have a responsibility to keep sharing the word of God and praying for them all and i believe the word of God will not return void
---Tez6548 on 7/18/19


I'm really curious about this.
---JS1234 on 7/18/19


Revelation says that God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

Could it be talking about this?

BTW, JS, The RIVER OF FIRE I recommended is by Alexander Kalomiros.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/18/19


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