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Do We Have Free Will

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Kathr,......God sent Enoch and Elijah to rebuke the world, and that rarely involves the rebuked answering in love.

May God bless you richly!
---Monk_Brendan on 8/10/19

Oh thank you Monk. I appreciate your support and validity that those rebuked will rarely answer back in love.....
---kathr4453 on 8/11/19


Yes, many are aware of Cluny's nastiness as he's been called out for his one liner snipes to many here. He loves to provoke an altercation, and then loves the opportunity to play the poor SWEET MAN victim only Monk can testify to.

RCC and ORTHODOX are cults with the personality of cult leaders who are nasty obstructionists.

Just know nothing they teach is grounded in scripture. They hate being exposed. They are artful in creating chaos and blaming others. It's all part of the CULT personality.
---kathr4453 on 8/10/19


Monk, in reviewing Revelation 11, the Lord spoke to me through these verses this morning to show that they too will be accused of being hateful. So I'm assured by the Lord not to take you and Cluny or even David's remarks to heart. I guess it all depends on where you're sitting. I see your constant attacking truth the real issue here.

Hope before Rev 11 takes place you all have a WOK moment.
---kat453 on 8/10/19


Kathr, but it seems as if the only one walking in the spirit of nastiness and evil is YOU!---Monk_Brendan

I agree
---David on 8/10/19


I believe we have the free will to call out and expose false doctrine. Paul certainly called it out in Galatia, even rebuking Peter's hypocricy. So we also see Jesus called it out too, where the Pharisees hashed their teeth accusing Jesus. Yes THIS is where we will be rewarded for saying the truth, just as Stephen was murdered for speaking the truth. His reward will be great in heaven.
I'll say again:
1)Mary was not bodily resurrected ,
2)No one ACHIEVES salvation through sacraments.
3) the Orthodox IS NOT the only true Church nor is the RCC
4) The WORD OF GOD IS THE FINAL AUTHORITY
5) Call no one Father but your father in Heaven
6) praying to the dead is satanic and FORBIDDED by God.

Shall I go on?
---kathr4453 on 8/10/19




OR are you saying I don't have free will, and I'm doing the will of God as He so chooses to use me. Hummmm?

Apostolic succession is another false teaching in the Orthodox Church. Cluny's belief in this as well as the RCC clearly show their ignorance of the GIFTS GIVEN BY JESUS to His Church in Ephesians 4, and why Cluny and Monk harass those given these gifts that they assault because it's not in keeping with their idea of authority. God chooses the weak to bring to nothing those who think they are voted in or anointed by man to carrying on their false teachings. They hate outsiders exposing their lies and false teachings. GOD has given authority to HIS CHOICES to expose false teachers. Deal with it!
---kath453 on 8/10/19


\\God will reward evil doers for sure.
---kathr4453 on 8/9/19\\

Like you, kathr?

I, for one, pray for your repentance.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/9/19


Kathr said, "CLUNY is a senile mean old man who has nothing to do except sit in dirty depends and think he's contributing to CN with his nasty remarks, and had NEVER applied his own GIFT (see Ephesians 4 ) ....thinking I guess nasty insults is a Gift of the Spirit."

I'm sorry you feel this way, Kathr, but it seems as if the only one walking in the spirit of nastiness and evil is YOU!

And for your information, Cluny is a wonderfully sweet man with who happens to be 70. He is not suffering from senile dementia (although some of your rants point to you having such a problem), and he does not sit around in dirty Depends.
---Monk_Brendan on 8/9/19


But in the meantime, say what nasty things you like about me. All you do is increase my reward in heaven, according to the words of the Savior.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/9/19

Too funny, Cluny is insulting folks online in hopes of racking up rewards. What a lazy lazy crank! Paul insulted the Judaizers in Galatians...so WOW looks like false teachers according to Cluny are going to be rewarded. God will reward evil doers for sure.
---kathr4453 on 8/9/19


Sorry, there is no pre reformation teachings about Mary to begin with, except for the Orthodox Gnosticism teachings. There are no witnesses to Mary's bodily resurrection, yet it was important there were witnesses to Jesus resurrection.

David, still waiting to hear what you have against Hebrews 7 and Hebrews 9. Until then....BLA BLA BLA. AND maybe David is Cluny....
---kathr4453 on 8/9/19




Like you, kathr.
Cluny on 8/8/19


I agree
---David on 8/9/19


What you say about the Virgin's decomposing body is not the teaching of the pre-Reformation churches, kathr.

But in the meantime, say what nasty things you like about me. All you do is increase my reward in heaven, according to the words of the Savior.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/9/19


Our precious Mary, Mother of Jesus humanity is where Paul and Peter and all born again saved are today, asleep in the Lord, where their physical bones, bodies are still in their caskets, tombes or whatever the practice was is at the time of death. Mary is not floating around earth or space appearing or talking to anyone. We are forbidden to communicate with the dead, as Saul was punished for summoning the dead... The NT never changed that fact. AND THE ORTHODOX OR RCC have no power of authority to speak over God's will. Those who do are anti_Christ.
---kathr4453 on 8/9/19


For those new or passing through....CLUNY is a senile mean old man who has nothing to do except sit in dirty depends and think he's contributing to CN with his nasty remarks, and had NEVER applied his own GIFT (see Ephesians 4 ) ....thinking I guess nasty insults is a Gift of the Spirit. Orthodox like the RCC have many issues of their own, along with delusions of grandeur that they are the ONLY TRUE CHRISTIANS. Especially Orthodox, as you may wonder where Cluny is coming from.

We just put up with his arrogance, humoring his delusions, as he is beyond humility in any form or fashion.

But WE LOVE YOU ANYWAY CLUNY, ISSUES AND ALL.
---kathr4453 on 8/9/19


Here's an example of the ORTHODOX FALSE TEACHING:

The Dormition of the Mother of God is a Great Feast of the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox and Eastern Catholic Churches which commemorates the "falling asleep" or death of Mary the Theotokos ("Mother of God", literally translated as God-bearer), and her bodily resurrection before being taken up into heaven. It is celebrated on 15 August (28 August N.S. for those following the Julian Calendar) as the Feast of the Dormition of the Mother of God. The Armenian Apostolic Church celebrates the Dormition not on a fixed date, but on the Sunday nearest 15 August.

The only bodily resurrection from the dead TO DATE is Jesus Christ .
---kath4453 on 8/9/19


\\ All the helps in the world can't help someone who is set in their own deflection for their own reasons. \\

Like you, kathr.

And I see you've learned a new word today: deflect and its variants.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/8/19


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Cluny, you are correct. All the helps in the world can't help someone who is set in their own deflection for their own reasons. The offer of the GIFT of salvation we also see many argue against, because as someone said..some see God as a snake oil salesman, and are suspicious of anything free.

Not all have faith, and that is stated clearly in scripture. No Lexicons or STRONGS needed. It's just a fact, and with those we just need to move on.
---kathr4453 on 8/8/19


David, deflecting again. just answer the question and stop playing around. EXACTLY what do you have issues with in Hebrews 7:22 and Hebrews Chapter 9. You do know it explains that we are under a NEW Covenant. No one need a dictionary for this to be understood.

You keep saying the Gospel of Jesus.....as if Hebrews is NOT the Gospel of Jesus????????

Not waiting for your non answer David. Just more games.

Well anyway millions do understand it and believe it. Personally i think you have a pride issue.

Sending with love.
---kathr4453 on 8/8/19


\\And I'd rather see an amateur Bible Student truly seeking truth use a STRONGS than nothing at all.\\

It doesn't follow that such a person would indeed come up with truth.

One can be sincere--but still be sincerely wrong.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/8/19


Again, so tells us why you object to Hebrews 9 and Hebrews 7:22? I do know Mormons hate Hebrews. Again, are you Mormon and is this why you object to the WHOLE word of God? Having rewritten scripture with much in your Mormon supplemental bible? ---kathr4453

If using the Gospel of Jesus as my foundation, makes me a Mormon, then I guess, Paul and I are both Mormons.
---David on 8/8/19


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But the issue here David seems to be bucking the definition of " "surety" and "Testator" used in Hebrews 7 and 9 saying it possibly has lost its meaning from its original author, and instead of researching whether that's true or not, just blows it off, only because he thinks it possibly could have. I gave supporting scripture, even the one in Genesis which clearly gives the definition right in the verse...yet he still makes up excuses why he rejects it. Now hate comes in many forms, and David can't see his own behavior mocking scripture is hate.

And millions don't need a dictionary to read Hebrews. He rejects everything I have posted out of Hebrews. The only group I know who does this is Mormons.
---kathr4453 on 8/8/19


Strong axe, I totally agree. Most of it is fad words...slang, that will fade in time. However original Greek and Hebrew words and definitions are as solid today as was 2000 years ago.

And I'd rather see an amateur Bible Student truly seeking truth use a STRONGS than nothing at all. We use one word that Greek or Hebrew has 10 different words and meanings. And it's important for the amateur Bible Student to go to the root word.

God never Changes, nor does His Word. What was good enough for the simple minded in Pauls time, is good enough for even the simple minded today. Wisdom and knowledge of GOD is IN CHRIST......who gives to those who belong to Him, even the uneducated / unlearned as Peter himself professed to be.
---kathr4453 on 8/7/19


kathr, the lexica in Strong's might be useful tools for the amateur, but I can assure you that Biblical lexicography has gone way past it today.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/7/19


kathr4453:

The Urban Dictionary is a totally unregulated and crowdsourced information source, without any supervision, vetting, or quality requirements (unlike Wikipedia), so the quality of its information is often quite dubious. Basically, anyone can post any definition they want, and anyone can up-vote or down-vote any definition. It's a horrible place to go for most things, but it can sometimes be useful to get an idea of popular consensus of the meanings of modern slang words, like "woke" and "incel".
---StrongAxe on 8/7/19


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David, I gave you Genesis as a reference to Hebrews7:22. I use a STRONGS CONCORDANCE where the definition of the Greek and Hebrew definitions come from, and have not changed like the modern day "Urban Dictionary" definitions. I don't use the Urban dictionary.

Again, so tells us why you object to Hebrews 9 and Hebrews 7:22? I do know Mormons hate Hebrews. Again, are you Mormon and is this why you object to the WHOLE word of God? Having rewritten scripture with much in your Mormon supplemental bible?

Why can't you comment on the scripture and stop bucking it? It's your same ol same ol excuse every time I post scripture. You come up with some lame excuse to reject it.

Again sending WITH LOVE DAVID.
---kathr4453 on 8/7/19


The ONLY HOLY SPIRIT I listen to is the one Jesus said He would give AFTER He died and rose again. The same one given at Pentecost, the same one given to those crucified with Christ and raised up together with Him a NEW CREATURE, the one we were sealed with AFTER WE BELIEVE. Any other spirit is demonic, as we are to TEST THE SPIRITS. 1 John. Also we are called to STUDY to show ourselves approved. Study the scriptures that is, with a STRONGS concordance giving the ORIGINAL GREEK AND HEBREW , with definitions, And of coarse comparing scripture with scripture is another way to study, of coarse with the help of the Holy Spirit who "enlightens" The WORD OF GOD alone....

So many excuses David.....just doesn't fly.
---kath4453 on 8/7/19


Kathryn
The bible can be molded to say whatever you want it to say, as evidenced by the many doctrines which have come from it. But how do you know who is right and who is wrong?

There was a good reason behind the gift of the Holy Spirit. Its because man can not pollute the Truth we learn from the Spirit of God, as they can the Bible. This is why we have so many have experts on the meanings of Greek words, even though most dont even speak the language.

Even if they did, Do you honestly believe the Greek language has not changed in 2,000 years, in light of how much the English language has changed in just our lifetimes? Even today, we may speak English here in America, but does it sound the same English they speak in England?
---David on 8/7/19


David, here is something I'd like for you to read. Hebrews 9 yes the whole chapter. Note the words " surety" in genesis 43:9 and see Hebrews 7:22....and the word "testator" in Hebrews 9 and it's legal meaning.

sending with love David. I hope this helps.
---kathr4453 on 8/6/19


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\\Oh golly gee, now Cluny is a psychologist, and spelling expert. \\

I know I'm more of a psychologist than you will ever be a Bible expert, kathr.

Happy Transfiguration, everyone.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/6/19


Yes David, just as I pointed out in Hebrews 11...BY FAITH ABEL.... EXACT SAME GOSPEL EXCEPT NOW WE HAVE A NEW COVENANT IN PLACE after Jesus rose from the dead. ABEL WASNT CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST...NO ONE BEFORE JESUS DEATH AND RESURRECTON WAS.

Sending with LOVE David
---karhr4453 on 8/6/19


David, is your kinda LOVE, where I have to agree with you to give you a false sense of secutiry you can bask in a self induces...---kathr4453

Kathryn
Look at your posts, to those folks who disagree with you. Can you honestly say, from the Heart,....I love you?

You tend to believe Paul has a different message than the one found in the Lords Gospel. Do you not realize, Many people were saved, l-o-n-g before the Lords Gospel or Pauls epistles were published. They had to rely on Gods Holy Spirit.

What doctrine do you think the Holy Spirit taught them? Pauls Epistles or the Lords Gospel?
---David on 8/6/19


Oh golly gee, now Cluny is a psychologist, and spelling expert.

No , actually Cluny, I'm looking for David to read Romans 6-8, circle all the times MEMBERS is used...( please use the KJV) and simply acknowledged that in Romans 6:13, GOD ADDRESSES how He has delivered us from sin in our members. That's all. This has gone on for months with David, his rejecting Romans 6-8 and attacking me every time I bring up by calling me hateful. It's a game he plays to avoid his rejection of Scripture by deflecting. "Love Hate" have NOTHING to do with it....simply believing Gods Word does. And Cluny, your comments only distract too....WHY? Why are you distracting from the subject?
---kathr4453 on 8/6/19


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\\David, is your kinda LOVE, where I have to agree with you to give you a false sense of secutiry you can bask in a self induces Fake Love called deceit, giving you false compliments, called FLATERY because you are too sensitive to hear scripture.? \\

kathr, I've noticed that you frequently project onto others your own failings.

I'm sure I'm not the only one here who has done so.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/5/19


David, is your kinda LOVE, where I have to agree with you to give you a false sense of secutiry you can bask in a self induces Fake Love called deceit, giving you false compliments, called FLATERY because you are too sensitive to hear scripture.? And if pointing out scripture, Romans 6-8 offends you...well, it offended ALL PHARISEES in Pauls time too who refused the gospel of GRACE. Yes, they thought Paul was hateful too, murdering him, as they also murdered Jesus who just couldn't deal with the Gospel of GRACE.

I hear where you are coming . But I'm going to CONTINUE to stand by the Gospel of GRACE no matter what you call it. Remember Paul preached it through MUCH CONTENTION. It STILL clearly riles up the Pharisees today. GOOD!
---kathr4453 on 8/5/19


\\ Your silly posts have no meaning at all, \\

And you think that yours do have meaning?

BTW, kathr, you yourself just made a snide remark to me, so you are hardly guiltless in this matter.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/5/19


Kathryn
Did you know, Love is the most significant sign of one being born of God? Your hatred for people, all by itself, should tell you, you are not who you think you are.

God wants to change your heart, but your doctrine is a wall standing in the way.
---David on 8/5/19


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Cluny, where is Your WORD OF GOD supporting or opposing this discussion. Your silly posts have no meaning at all, except for you to,just make a snide remark without any reason to. But that is all you have done for years.

Like I said Romans 6-8 have given us all the answers we need to know concerning OUR MEMBERS. All I'm doing is posting scripture. If that is an issue Cluny., it only shows you don't know scripture. I'm not posting Mother Goose nursery rhymes...so YES, I do know that I'm posting scripture. I don't THINK that I am...I KNOW that I am. I like the KJV....maybe that's a problem with you, and you don't acknowledge the KJV as Gods Word...who knows.
---kathr4453 on 8/4/19


\\What you get from me David is the WORD OF GOD, \\

If it make you feel good to think you do that, kathr, why you just go right ahead.

Most of here know better.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/4/19


What you get from me David is the WORD OF GOD, not some cute analogy, or a comment diplomatically accomidating to all, a wishy washy answer, saying NOTHING that all can agree on so as not to hurt ones feelings. That's not my thing David. I don't apologize either. You bash the doctrine of the CROSS, and I defend it.
---kathr4453 on 8/4/19


I,actually find David's sarcastic comments re "dying to sin" as blasphemy against the very truths God has established. I DIE DAILY is a daily obedience as well, he simply neglects to acknowledge. Even Nicole made a moronic comment on this verse against scripture, out of ignorance.---kat453

Cluny
This is why I thanked you for the maturity of your comment. I expected this is what I would get from Kathryn.
---David on 8/4/19


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David's so concerned with sin in our MEMBERS( see Romans 7) God addressed the sin in Romans 6....

Romans 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

Yes, after we have identified with Jesus in death and resurrection life, being RAISED UP WITH CHRIST, AKA AS THOSE ALIVE FROM THE DEAD, we are to YIELD our members, unto God where our MEMBERS are now instruments of Righteous and Holiness. PRAISE GOD JESUS DELIVERED ME FROM THE BODY OF THIS DEATH, where I am now a New Creature "IN CHRIST." And there is now NO condemnation to those now IN CHRIST.
---kathr4453 on 8/4/19


So David, just posted Romans 6:13 for you as the answer to your question, Why do many continue in sin who call themselves Christians or say they are dead...or sin died or whatever your question was. It's because part of the problem is they failed to OBEY the YIELD your members as those alive from the dead part unto God ....Romans is very clear..a detailed step by step of what OUR PART IS....SUBMIT, YIELD AND RECKON , OBEY FROM THE HEART that form of doctrine delivered to you.

If you are trying to do on your own in the flesh without being crucified with Christ and raised up TOGETHER WITH HIM first.....it can't be done David. Sin will ALWAYS BE ALIVE IN YOUR MEMBERS. You need Jesus deliverance, not self effort purification..
---kat453 on 8/4/19


Kathryn, can you give us an example of something that is dead, and still exhibits the same symptoms it did while it was living? Jesus taught we sin because of the Evil which lives in our hearts. If the reason for your sin has died, why do the symptoms remain?///

Here again is where David ignores scripture and uses his own words not in scripture. AGAIN DAVID. SIN DOES NOT DIE.....SCRIPTURE SAYS WE DIE TO SIN. Do you understand the difference? Also our heart..AKA OUR CONSCIENCE has been purged WITH THE BLOOD OF CHRIST from dead works to serve the living God. Hebrews. But it won't on you David who does not believe Gods word.
---kathr4453 on 8/3/19


David, all that concerns me is what God said, not your trying to explain away the Cross, because you never submitted to it, and cannot testify to it. You are a sideline heckler calling God a liar. IF GOD SAID we are dead to sin THROUGH JESUS CHRIST, and that is how aged sees me, I really don't care how YOU see things in your unsanctified mindset. My faith is in what GOD SAID, not what David thinks.

If we say we have no sin, the truth is not in us. 1John...is speaking to Christians. As long as we are still in these earthly bodies, we will never be sinless....only AFTER in a moment in the twinkling of an eye, will we be like HIM, when we see Him as He is....and not before.
---kathr4453 on 8/3/19


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It also must be noted that the GOSPEL OF SALVATION, is not about trying to achieve sinless perfection, but praising God we have been set FREE from the power of Sin through Jesus death and resurrection, and our being set free by our identification with Jesus in death and resurrection life.

I,actually find David's sarcastic comments re "dying to sin" as blasphemy against the very truths God has established. I DIE DAILY is a daily obedience as well, he simply neglects to acknowledge. Even Nicole made a moronic comment on this verse against scripture, out of ignorance.

Your gospel is not the gospel of scripture David.
---kat453 on 8/3/19


Cluny
Good illustration, but yours is an illustration of the word Dormant, where as mine is an illustration of the word Dead. And thank you for the maturity in your comment.

I know David does not understand Romans 7,---kathr4453

Kathryn, can you give us an example of something that is dead, and still exhibits the same symptoms it did while it was living? Jesus taught we sin because of the Evil which lives in our hearts. If the reason for your sin has died, why do the symptoms remain?

Sounds like David believes we can accomplish sinless perfection in this lifetime ---kathr4453

We...No! But through the Power of Gods Holy Spirit...Yes!
---David on 8/3/19


Romans8:1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus,who walk not after the flesh,but after the Spirit.

Here is the exact words Paul wrote this BEFORE chapters and verses, SO Romans 8 continues from Romans 7 still addressing this same subject which started in Romans 6 with the question, SHALL WE CONTINUE TO SIN GOD FORBID.
Romans 7 is a more a detailed address to Jews who were under the LAW, just as the beginning of Romans 7 clearly say. AND why being crucified with Christ also sets them free from the law so that they could be married to another...which is what being IN CHRIST IS ABOUT. ALSO stated again in Galatians 2:20-21..ANOTHER David rejects.

EVERYONE is free to believe or reject.
---kathr4453 on 8/3/19


23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord ....
Romans 8:1. THERE IS THEREFORE "NOW" NO CONDEMNATION TO THOSE WHO WALK AFTER THE SPIRIT, AND NOT AFTER THE FLESH.



I know David does not understand Romans 7, because it is REITERATING Romans 6( which he has issues with). Jesus has delivered us fro the body of this death when we DIED WITH CHRIST, dying to sin....being the way and only way of being DELIVERED from the body of this death.

Romans 8:1 concludes the struggle of Romans 7.
---kathr4453 on 8/2/19


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\\Which sounds like David believes we can accomplish sinless perfection in this lifetime..\\

To say we cannot is to doubt the power of the Holy Spirit.

To say that everybody will is to ignore our weakness.

God has all eternity to make any of us perfect, if we let Him.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/2/19


David:

When you have chicken pox, you eventually get over it, and there are no more symptoms. However, the virus is not dead. It can re-surface decades later as shingles.

The same thing happens with HIV. When a person is first infected, the virus spreads rapidly, and often causes flu-like symptoms. The body fights it like the flu, and soon all symptoms go away. However, the virus is not dead, and it can take years before any symptoms are noticed, and by that time, it can be too late.

Just because there are no symptoms, that doesn't mean the cause is dead. This is why, when a doctor prescribes antibiotics, it is VITAL to take the entire prescription, and not just stop when the symptoms seem to disappear.
---StrongAxe on 8/2/19


Which sounds like David believes we can accomplish sinless perfection in this lifetime.......where no scripture teaches such a thing. This is just something Davids creative imagination has concluded. Even Calvinist's don't believe we achieve sinless perfection.
---kathr4453 on 8/2/19


David, did Paul deny free will?
---JS1234


So in conclusion JS, as a slave, you are never free to do as you please. Does Pauls teaching in (Romans 7:13-24) sound like free will? That sin God had given you to battle with, Paul had one too. How many times have you felt the same way as he did, there in that passage?

Many deny, the evil which causes their sin, still lives in them. Even though they have the symptoms, they claim that it has died in them. It is like someone denying they have the Flu, even though they have all the symptoms of Influenza.

How do you know when a Flu virus living in you, is dead? There are no more symptoms.
---David on 8/2/19


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Steven G, what does Falling Away mean to you?
---JS1234 on 7/31/19


Steveng:

I TOTALLY agree with your last statement. (Yes, can agree some times!) I have repeatedly pointed out the Matthew 25 parable about sheep and goats to illustrate this, yet several people on here constantly attack me and call me an apostate and heretic for doing so.
---StrongAxe on 8/1/19


David, did Paul deny free will?
---JS1234


We, as Christians, try not to sin and yet we still do. We try with all our might, and yet we fall again and again. Though we are slaves of sin, Can we still do what is righteous? Yes.
But as long as sin lives in you, you can not belong to God. Sin must die for this to happen.

In (Romans 7: 1-6) Paul discusses this using an illustration of Adultery. In it, he equates your acts of righteous, as Adultery, disobedience against your sinful nature. For those who are slaves of sin, an act of righteous is exactly that, a willful act of disobedience against your master.

Now if you read (Hebrews 10:26), you will see the exact opposite taught to those who are slaves of righteous.
---David on 8/1/19


Steveng, as we see in these last days so many teaching their own thing, and not scripture, these mega churches with the ZIG ZIGLER gospel, THAT is the falling away, not Christians. Men will,heap to themselves having itching ears, who are attracted to these kinds of messages the are NOT CHRISTIAN messages. They preach prosperity, not the gospel. AND those saved avoid these churches like the plague.

And then there's poor JS1234 looking for some here that can reinforce his own nonsense, having no real beliefs of his own is another casualty.
---kathr4453 on 8/1/19


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we are free to follow the will of the god we serve.
---josef on 8/1/19


There will be a great falling away from the faith in the end days. One must have faith to begin with in order to fall away. It is their choice to fall away.

Millions of people throughout all of history never knew God or Jesus, but yet do the will of God not knowing it's the will of God and, in turn, will have eternal life.
---Steveng on 7/31/19


This question has been posted here a hundred times over the last 15 years, and you will always get the exact same answers ...and the same arguments. People need to pray and ask the Lord for the answer. Just follow and obey James 1.
---kathr4453 on 7/31/19


Kathr, I was simply posing a question because I don't have the definitive answer. Telling people to choose something does not necessarily mean that they have free will. All choices are caused by something. If people choose something, it may well be that they are unable to make an alternative choice. This may give an illusion of free will, but it does not necessarily prove that free will exists.
---JS1234 on 7/31/19


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Maybe the problem with this question is everyone has a different definition of what a man's " will " is. Man cannot WILL themselves to the moon...so there is no super natural power in a human will. I believe the human will is made up of a human intellect, emotions, and ability to reason, and a moral conscience to know right from wrong as Romans 2 state. God has given every man this. If you accuse someone of theft, that means YOU KNOW what theft is and know it's wrong. Now, you have a free will using all the above to CHOOSE whether YOU are going to do right or wrong. Now EVERYONE knows we all make bad choices, and have WILLFULLY chosen wrong called SIN. YOU ARE NOT A MINDLESS ROBOT. They don't have free will.
---kathr4453 on 7/31/19


JS1234, what do you think...did Paul deny free will? Are you afraid to give your answer? Do you have an answer, or are you just the question prober?

Whosoever will means free will. It doesn't matter if Paul gave it or denied it...GOD GAVE IT.

CHOOSE THIS DAY...is free will. God does not force Himself on anyone. Those who seek me will find me.....
---kathr4453 on 7/31/19


David, did Paul deny free will?
---JS1234 on 7/31/19


David free will is not overcoming sin on your own. We don't overcome sin in the first place...WE DIE TO SIN...ROMANS 6.

Free will is that every human has the freedom to accept or reject the Gospel of Salvation , scripture says has been made known to ALL MEN, not just the Calvinist's, and that man can either choose life or choose death. Choosing LIFE is choosing to believe Jesus died for our sin in order to give Life. THEN AFTER WE CHOOSE CHRIST, THEN and only then is God working in us to will and do of HIS GOOD PLEASURE. But for that to happen, WE HAVE TO SUBMIT TO THE WILL OF GOD, and KNOW THE WILL OF GOD. Romans 12: 1-2
---kathr4453 on 7/31/19


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If we don't have free will, who can be blamed for anything?
---JS1234


Paul rehearsed the same argument in (Romans 3:6-31).

We are born into sin. Sin lives in everyone who has not been born of God, and this is why men sin. If we had free will, we could overcome sin on our own, and there would be no need for a Savior.

Simply put, you will be judged by the condition of your heart. Through Jesus, we can can put sin to death, thus changing our hearts. And this is why we are in need of a Savior.

How do we know who we serve? (John 8:34). And when sin...is put to death,...then we are free to serve him. (Romans 7: 1-6)
---David on 7/31/19


Paul scathed Christians in Romans 2:24:
For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through YOU, as it is written.
---StrongAxe on 7/30/19

As it is written, was written to Jews in the OT. Wouldn't it also be the Gentiles have blasphemed God concerning the Jews re Hitler, Crusades etc. Paul's not scathing the Christians in Romans 2. Paul has two groups, the Jews and the Gentiles.

But back to free will here. Men have the free will to receive or reject the Gift of salvation. If they think it's crooked scheme from the hands of a crooked God....it's because their own heart is CROOKED in the first place. Which is the bottom line. ALL HAVE SINNED AND WE DESERVE NOTHING IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Anyway
---kathr4453 on 7/31/19


Strongaxe, is the problem with you free will vs no free will. Is your answer to the lost the answer of NO free will, and somehow THAT answer is more soothing. NO Marge, there is no free will, and because of THAT your headed for hell. Too bad ...but if you had free will, well too bad there too, because .....


OR are you still on this Universalism everyone in the end is going to be saved, therefore No Jesus, no Gospel etc is needed in the first place? Is that your purpose here? To give and believe in a false hope.

Look God knows more than you do, and man is going to be lost or saved because GOD has and does know the hearts of everyone, and if anyone wants to know God like Cornelius....they WILL HEAR.
---kath453 on 7/31/19


Raising the question, is God micromanaging everything?
---JS1234 on 7/30/19


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kathr4453:

Most of the world population is not Christian, despite Christians having 2000 years to evangelize them. "Christian" Europeans had unprecedented opportunities to evangelize most of the world in the past few centuries. What they did instead is to invade other countries and force their religion on people while exploiting, enslaving, and murdering them. It's no wonder many hate Christianity.

France enslaved Haiti. When Haitians rebelled, European "Christians" sided with France. So Haiti abandoned hypocritical Christianity for Voodoo, and who can honestly blame them?

Paul scathed Christians in Romans 2:24:
For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through YOU, as it is written.
---StrongAxe on 7/30/19


Well Strongaxe praise God multitudes don't feel that way, so they are without excuse.
---kathr4453 on 7/30/19


kath453:

Yes, Christians often tell non-Christians that (about God allowing free will, to explain the evil in the world). However, the answer is usually "If a God considers a murderer's free will more important than the life of his victim, he isn't really a very loving God." Or, more personally, "How can God say he loves me if he allows others to hurt me? He must love THEM more than he loves ME. No thanks!"
---StrongAxe on 7/30/19


"God works in us to will and do" is addressed to those already saved...not the unsaved world. Its actually one of the promises of the New Covenant, BUT you have to be in that covenant with the Lord.

Also Galatains 6 show us "who are saved," that we are Crucified to the world and the
world to us.

WE, those IN CHRIST are no longer part of this world or world system, and our citizenship AS WE SPEAK is in Heaven...not here.

Also God has warned Just like He did through Noah in his time that judgement is coming on this world. GET IN THE ARK ..who Is Christ our savior...

THAT TOO Strongaxe is what you need to tell your friends who accuse God.
---kath453 on 7/30/19


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If we don't have free will, who can be blamed for anything?
---JS1234 on 7/30/19


If we have free will, why do Christians, who want to serve God, continue to sin?
---David on 7/30/19


Our problems in the world are caused by SIN. Caused by disobedience to God, that began in the Garden of Eden. God gave the Law and man has even disobeyed that. So God is not responsible for all the ills in the world. God did not even spare His only Begotten Son from the hands of horrible sinners.......and that Strongaxe is what you need to answer people with who ask such questions. Im actually surprised this is an issue with someone who professes to be a Christian. Its questions and statements like that that open the door to TRUTH...right in scripture. The greatest opportunity to show the sufferings of Jesus Christ and WHY HE suffered for OUR SIN...not His own.

JOB is also a great book in scripture addressing this very issue.
---kathr4453 on 7/30/19


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