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Feast of the Transfiguration

Yesterday, 6 August, was the Feast of the Transfiguration in all the pre-Reformation churches, a special feast for the Orthodox.

A line from the services for that day:

"Transfigure us with Yourself, O Savior Christ, that we may praise You forever."

Any thoughts to share?

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Jesus account in John 3:13 clearly say He was not. I believe Jesus. I also understand that verse in Kings is not the original which is said to say it in a way that it looks like that's the direct he went in from the perspective of someone standing on earth. It's not prophesy. Just like the verse that said the sun stood still for a day. Fact is....the sun doesn't move. But to someone just saying what seems to be so, does not make it fact. Only if Jesus said it was FACT would it be fact. No one else supported it, therefore it stands alone, and Jesus clarified....NO ONE...MEANS JUST THAT. No man...unless you are saying Elijah was not a man but something else.
---kathr4453 on 8/23/19


Genesis says heaven is also our atmosphere where the stars etc are. But the heaven far above all heavens where God's throne is Eph 4:10 , Jesus says no man has gone. John 3:13. Philip was also translated somewhere away from where he witnessed to the Eunuch ...Paul was also taken up to the third heaven and came back, as did John in Rev. And no scripture says Elijah did not taste death. However it does say that about Enoch. Scripture is silent concerning Elijah after being swept away in a chariot. We should not add to scripture what is not there.
---kat453 on 8/23/19


kathr, the account of the assumption of Elijah specifically says he was taken up into heaven.

Or is that verse not in the Reversed Version that you read?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/23/19


John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Jesus said this, and we see Esau, Enoch and Elijah lived prior to Jesus statement here.

So we can conclude Elijah or Enoch did not ascend into heaven. And the verse in Kings never said specifically Elijah absolutely went to heaven. Also no scripture says Enoch did either.
---kathr4453 on 8/10/19


Monk, where is your scripture proving your statement? I gave scripture..John 3:13.....which debunks your statement. Sorry, but the Word of God is final authority of truth with me. You may believe fables if you want, or just believe something because someone said it you hold in higher veneration than God. I can't do that.
---kath4453 on 8/10/19




\\I meant to say Enoch, and not Esau. Both Enoch and Elijah have gone to God, and reside, body and soul, in heaven.\\

Nowhere does the Bible say these two have died.

The Eastern tradition understands that they are the two witnesses in Revelation who will be killed during the Tribulation.

I don't think one's eternal salvation depends on what you believe on this matter.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/10/19


I said, "Sorry, Kathr, but you are wrong! Use your Lexicon and/or STRONGS to look up Esau and Elijah. Their bodies also reside in heaven."

I made a mistake. It does happen from time to time. I meant to say Enoch, and not Esau. Both Enoch and Elijah have gone to God, and reside, body and soul, in heaven. If this is not Death and Resurrection, then what is?
---Monk_Brendan on 8/10/19


\\sorry Monk, Esau's body is not resurrected and in heaven, and no scripture says Elijah's body is in heaven. \\

I think he intended to say Enoch.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/10/19


Kathr4453 said, "NO ONE HAS HAD A BODILY RESURRECTION YET EXCEPT JESUS."

Sorry, Kathr, but you are wrong! Use your Lexicon and/or STRONGS to look up Esau and Elijah. Their bodies also reside in heaven.
---Monk_Brendan on 8/9/19


sorry Monk, Esau's body is not resurrected and in heaven, and no scripture says Elijah's body is in heaven. One argues if Elijah even died. If Elijah didn't die, he cant be resurrected. If he died, he was not resurrected before Jesus resurrection. you guys believe some crazy stuff. And you say you got that truth from a Lexicon? or a Leprechaun?
---kathr4453 on 8/10/19


\\If Elijah was transfigured,\\

Did I say he was?

No.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/10/19




Cluny, do you think just quoting nonsense is acceptable to God? YIKES
Esau and Elijah ???? I bet you meant to say hopefully Enoch, not Esau. If I had made that mistake you would not have been so kind to gently correct.

If Elijah was transfigured, scripture would have said so at Jesus transfiguration. Yet Enoch was not there but Moses was,

The transfiguration revealed the DEITY OF CHRIST WHO IS GOD through His earthly flesh before He Died. Enoch and Elijah are not Gods in heaven who's earthly flesh has not decayed. If that were the point, God would never have had Moses there. Your THEORY is all that....your theory. Also Elijah and Enoch are not yet GLORIFIED. Neither is Moses. AND Hebrews 12:22-24 make no such claim.
---kathr4453 on 8/10/19


//No scripture or even prayer says " Transfigure us with yourself"//

I quoted a prayer that says that.

Do you not understand what you read?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/9/19


Kathr4453 said, "NO ONE HAS HAD A BODILY RESURRECTION YET EXCEPT JESUS."

Sorry, Kathr, but you are wrong! Use your Lexicon and/or STRONGS to look up Esau and Elijah. Their bodies also reside in heaven.
---Monk_Brendan on 8/9/19


I know it was, showing JESUS TRANSFIGURATION , proving His Deity. No scripture says Moses and Elijah was also transfigured along with Jesus. But today we don't know what we will be but we know we will be like Him.

No scripture or even prayer says " Transfigure us with yourself" ...but scripture does say only the new creature HIS BODY THE CHURCH will be GLORIFIED TOGETHER WITH HIM, ITS CALLED THE HOPE OF GLORY...not the hope of transfiguration. Colossians 1:24-27.

Prove your babble with the WORD OF GOD.

Just more false doctrine from the ORTHODOX CHURCH.
---kathr4453 on 8/9/19


That's because the Bible doesn't, kathr.

It is clear that the Transfiguration took place BEFORE the Passion.

What do you read, kathr? The Reversed Standard Version?

And I really doubt you have set foot in an Orthodox or Roman Catholic Church in your life.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/9/19


Actually one has to be crucified with Christ and raised up together with Him a NEW CREATURE before any Transfiguration can take place. Yet I've never heard a RCC or Orthodox teach or believe this.

So I say...GOOD LUCK. But have no idea where you are assured you will be transfigured apart from it.
---kathr4453 on 8/9/19


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The transfiguration of Christians is accomplished by the renewing of the mind in total obedience to the will of God, we display the mind of Christ (Romans 12:2), and by that intimate fellowship with God, with unveiled face we behold the glory of the Lord, and are "transformed into the same image from glory to glory, even as from the Lord the Spirit" (2 Corinthians 3:18). This parallels our obedience to Phil ch 3. Without this obedience which is conforming us to the image of Jesus Christ ....this is nothing more than wishful thinking on the part of the Orthodox. The Orthodox and RCC do not believe in an intimate personal relationship of fellowship with the Lord Jesus Christ, and insult all believers who do.
---kath453 on 8/9/19


As I sat in Mass, I reflect on the words God the Father told the Apostles " This is my beloved Son listen to him"

A reminder that at times I do forget to listen to him, remembering the scripture verse of 1 Jhn 3: 2-3 " What we do know is this: when he is reveled, we will be like him, for we will him as he is. And all who have this hope in him purity themselves, just as he is pure."

Transfigure us O Lord- A Men!
---Ruben on 8/9/19


COMMING SOON
THE FEAST OF DORMITION

The Dormition of the Mother of God is a Great Feast of the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox and Eastern Catholic Churches which commemorates the "falling asleep" or death of Mary the Theotokos ("Mother of God", literally translated as God-bearer), and her bodily resurrection before being taken up into heaven. It is celebrated on 15 August (28 August N.S. for those following the Julian Calendar) as the Feast of the Dormition of the Mother of God. The Armenian Apostolic Church celebrates the Dormition not on a fixed date, but on the Sunday nearest 15 August.

NO ONE HAS HAD A BODILY RESURRECTION YET EXCEPT JESUS.
---kathr4453 on 8/9/19


This is my favorite feast!
---Monk_Brendan on 8/8/19


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