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Dormition Of Mary

The Dormition of Mary AKA the Mother of God (EASTERN ORTHODOX ) believe her bodily resurrection before being taken up into heaven, yet no witnesses. Jesus resurrection had witnesses.

Is this heresy?

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Im sorry Cluny, but only Orthodox churches. And not until after the 400ad. Many writings snowboarding in Mary until then...after heresy entered in a big way. Protestant Churches do not worship MAry as you all do.
---kathr4453 on 8/23/19


ACTUALLY CLUNY.....
When did Mary worship start?
Now it should be noted, historically, that the official worship of Mary was established in 431 A.D. 431 A.D. Prayers to Mary came around 600 A.D., a few hundred years passed before this cult developed. It really is a form, an old, old pagan form of the goddess worship: Baal and Ashtoreth, Isis and Osiris in Egypt.
---kat453 on 8/23/19


Actually, kathr, the Dormition is celebrated in ALL the pre-reformation churches, including the ones that are technically NOT Orthodox.

Doesn't it bother you to expound upon things that you clearly know nothing about?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/23/19


Just the fact that the Feast of DORMITION of Mary is NOT Celebrated in any other religion but Orthodox or the RCC should be a clue not all believe in this Mariology Catholic Orthodox dogma doctrine.

Many of us believe Mary is no different than all the Saints both big and small, aka CHRISTIANS who have passed , are asleep IN THE LORD. We believe those who have passed away have no contact with the living and vice versa, according to the Lord statements in Luke. We believe those who do, are practicing witchcraft as did Saul in the OT and was severely punished for it. We also believe that never changed with the New Testament/Covenant.
And WE believe no one will be bodily resurrected until the FIRST RESURRECTION, which is future.
---kathr4453 on 8/21/19


Sorry Ruben, that is YOUR belief in why YOU believe as you do. Has it ever occurred to you that not all believe as YOU do? Has it also occurred to you to research those views who DONT believe as you do and listen to them? I'm not the only one who feels and believes yours is a far stretch, a TRADITION that exclusively came out tf the RCC....when, about the 300ad's. No scripture backs up no matter how you twist scripture. And not just in this area but many like Purgetory as well.

Just deal with it. No sense debating it with you, as your mind is made up and you will never change that unless you repent of the RCC stronghold and turn to Christ ALONE for your salvation.

Mary was NOT bodily resurrected either. It's HERESY!
---kathr4463 on 8/20/19




Kathr-THE MOTHER OF GOD, please show your scripture, or accept many don't believe what is not in scripture.
---kathr4453 on 8/20/19

In Both Isaiah and Gospel of Matthew reads Isaiah 7:14, Matt. 1:23 a virgin will bear a Son named Emmanuel, which means (God is with us.)

John 1:14 God in flesh dwelt among us.

What was the name of the virgin who bear a Son, whose name is Emmanuel ( God in flesh among us):)

kathr4453* The Mother of My Lord is not the same as MOTHER OF GOD.

" And Peter said to Jesus, " Lord. it is well that we are here." MT 17: 4


Pls explain the difference between Elizabeth mother of my Lord and Peter and Martha Lord?

Do you call Mary blessed, btw?
---Ruben on 8/20/19


Ruben, you keep asking the same question I have already answered. Only ONLY ONLY the RCC and affiliates call Mary The Mother of God, and all the baggage that come with that TITLE you have given her. You, by doing so have exalted her above what God has, making IKONS, trinkets, dashboard divas , and monuments, statues , prayers, etc etc etc .and the DORMITION of Mary..a Fiest day NOT IN SCRIPTURE...showing it is your tradition based on false beliefs about Mary.

If you can find ANY verse that uses specifically the TITLE of Mary...THE MOTHER OF GOD, please show your scripture, or accept many don't believe what is not in scripture. I don't believe your made up doctrine Ruben...it's a CULT.
---kathr4453 on 8/20/19


kathr4453* Ruben,Jesus is fully God and fully man. So just because I don't say Mary is the Mother of God,


If Jesus is fully God and fully man, then pls explain why you won't call Mary the Mother of God?

Kathr_So I'll have to disagree with you on that one. Paul preached The Gospel and Scripture clearly says the Bereans searched the scriptures daily to see if what Paul was saying was true. The NT fulfills the promises of the Old....

They did not have the NT to look at, only the OT.


Kathr- Do Catholics actually read the Bible...? Or do they just make stuff up?

How do you think the Bible come about? Do you think it fell from the sky, who put the books together?
---Ruben on 8/19/19


Ruben, I do not refuse to call Jesus God in His humanity . Jesus is fully God and fully man. So just because I don't say Mary is the Mother of God, please don't twist that around to accuse those who don't of not believing Jesus is Fully God amid fully man.

You may be able to pull that off on some ignorant...but not here with me Ruben.
---kathr4453 on 8/19/19


Ruben, I'm not sure what your point is. Paul, Peter, John, James, Jude all are speaking to Christians encouraging them as well as warning them about false teachers who have crept in unaware. The 7 letters in Rev clearly show they are not saved or Christians.

I could say your group ( mystery Babylon, the harlot ) is a clear warning about your people. Also Paul warns us at the beginning of Philippians 3.... The Concission AKA Pharisees ...described in Romans 10 , also in Galatians, fits your description. ..."thank you Paul for the warning".
---kathr4453 on 8/18/19




kathr4453 *Yes Ruben, false teachers

Paul says to Stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by WORD of mouth or letter."

We are discussing scripture alone not how much faith they had. It is not by scripture alone..Nice try I think:)

kathr4453* The Mother of My Lord is not the same as MOTHER OF GOD.

" And Peter said to Jesus, " Lord. it is well that we are here." MT 17: 4

" Martha said to Jesus, Lord, if you had been here my brother would not have died." JHN 17: 21

" What have you to do with us,
O Son of God." Mt 8: 29

Here the demon knew Jesus was God, but you refuse to call him God in his humanity, very interesting!
---Ruben on 8/18/19


Yes Ruben, false teachers were coming in. All letters say stand fast etc. that doesn't mean they weren't. Just like in football..."HOLD THAT LINE...HOLD THAT LINE" Interestingly you failed to read all the verses Paul praises them for their faith, etc. I don't think any group was praised more than the Thesselonians who endured persecution and suffering.

The Mother of My Lord is not the same as MOTHER OF GOD. Nice try, but again total embellishment carrying the baggage of more embellishments.
---kathr4453 on 8/18/19


kathr4453* Philip showed this was Jesus. PERFECT.

That is my point.The Eunuch said to Philip " About whom, does the prophet say this, about himself or some one else? v8:34-going by the bible alone did him no good.

kathr Paul never taught ever said Mary was the MOTHER OF GOD.

He didn't but Elizabeth filled with the Holy Spirit SHOUTED with a loud cry, Why is the granted to me, that the MOTHER OF MY LORD should come to me? Lk 1:43

Kathr I just read both 1st and 2nd Thesselonians.

Go back and reread 2 Thess 2: 15 slowly - ' Stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by WORD of mouth or letter."
---Ruben on 8/17/19


James 3:13 - Who is wise and understanding among you ? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in meekness of wisdom.
I like that. Taking snipes at others Cluny is not good conduct. You intentionally provoke with your one liner jabs ...hoping to what?

And no one with Wisdom can read Thesselonians and accuse them of rejecting Paul. It's just beyond words. Making up something to attack another...its just beyond words.

I suggest ALL WOMEN know the word of God so these "men" don't throw nonsense at you. Thank God for Wycliffe and the such for giving EVERYONE A BIBLE IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGE , so we don't have to rely on the RCC for lies like this.
---kathr4453 on 8/15/19


Sorry Cluny, the gifts given in Ephesians 4 are given to EVERY BELIEVER IN CHRIST. NOT JUST 1/2 THE BODY.

To say the Thessalonians rejected Paul's teaching is a bold face lie out of a man's mouth....doesn't make it true because a man said it.

We all know the Orthodox suppress women, forgot Priscilla taught Apollo. And no scripture says women can't teach or use her gift on a website either. Making up lies again.
---kathr4453 on 8/14/19


James 3:13 - Who is wise and understanding among you ? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in meekness of wisdom.
---RichardC on 8/14/19


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Do Catholics actually read the Bible...? Or do they just make stuff up?
---kathr4453 on 8/14/19\\

I know you make stuff up, kathr.

You've made up stuff about me.

And if you really read the Bible, you would know it said that women are NOT to presume to teach.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/14/19


Monk, don't you need to wash out your sack cloth or something. Maybe go take a walk on glass and flog yourself for an hour or so?
---kathr4453 on 8/14/19


Kathr, is it that stroke you claim you had that makes you so nasty to other people?
---Monk_Brendan on 8/14/19


I just read both 1st and 2nd Thesselonians. Thank you Ruben for causing me to do that. And I was oh so blessed to see such a letter of LOVE from Paul to the Thesselonians, continually praising them in every chapter of both books, all the way to the very end....and not one word about scolding them from departing from the faith.

So it looks like someone here is on crack, making ignorant false accusations towards others here, but also the Thesselonians which is appalling......

Do Catholics actually read the Bible...? Or do they just make stuff up?
---kathr4453 on 8/14/19


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The Thesselonians did not reject Pauls teaching. They were being invaded, like Galatia, with false teachers concerning the last days, the resurrection etc. Galatia, the LEGALISTS came to bring false doctrine. Even James and Peter and John warn about false teachers creeping into the Church.

Now YOU reject Philippians 3, you reject Romans 6 ...you reject Colossians 1:24-27, Ephesians 2 and Colossians 2 and 3.....the whole of the RCC reject Colossians 3 all of Galatians, and could be the very false teachers ALL the Apostles and epistles warn against.

That was funny Ruben. Paul never taught "Transfigure us together with You" or ever said Mary was the MOTHER OF GOD.

Judge not lest YE be judged Ruben. Watch it!
---kathr4453 on 8/14/19


Ruben, I believe many places in the OT point to Jesus....born of a virgin, Isaiah 53.....I love Isaiah 53, the exact chapter in the OT the Eunuch asked Philip about in Acts where Philip showed this was Jesus. PERFECT.

So I'll have to disagree with you on that one. Paul preached The Gospel and Scripture clearly says the Bereans searched the scriptures daily to see if what Paul was saying was true. The NT fulfills the promises of the Old....
---kathr4453 on 8/14/19


The poor old goat just can't help himself. I really feel sorry for this, as some old folks really get crotchety and nasty in their old age. Sometimes it's the medication, sometimes it's just the heart of the person....always laying awake nights thinking of a great nasty comeback......I actually think Proverbs has many verses addressing this issue.
---kath453 on 8/14/19


\\I too could be the MOTHER OF GOD. All those who do the will of God are the MOTHER OF GOD. \\

What has yet to be proven is if kathr indeed does the will of God, or her own.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/13/19


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kathr4453 * Rube, Acts 17:11

Let's see,

Acts 17:11 " Now Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scripture daily to see if what Paul said was true."

The Ot does not identify Jesus as the Messiah, it was no way that the Berea using the OT ONLY to have proven from scripture that Jesus was the Messiah. The Bereans were noble because they accepted Paul oral teaching and now they can examined and looked at Isaiah 53 and the connecting his teaching and the passage of the suffering servant. The Thessalonians on the other hand were like you and reject Paul's teaching and went on their own interpretation of scripture!
---Ruben on 8/13/19


Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.


Again Jesus said this. Looks like there will be many who Jesus sees as His mother. I like that. I too could be the MOTHER OF GOD. All those who do the will of God are the MOTHER OF GOD.
---kathr4453 on 8/11/19


Rube, Acts 17:11 along with 2 Timothy 3:16-17 show scripture is the final Authority in truth and doctrine. Also there are wonderful scriptures in the Psalms concerning the WORD OF GOD. It was one of the very first things the Lord through the Holy Spirit grounded and established in my walk with the Lord.

When you go outside scripture, you walk a dangerous line of putting your faith in the Wisdom of man and not the Power of God. Also opening yourself up to fables....another no no.

And again NO SCRIPTURE refer to Mary as the MOTHER OF GOD. Your belief along with the false doctrine you believe around Mary re being resurrected bodily, being born sinless etc feeds into this false belief.
---kathr4453 on 8/11/19


kathr4453* Ruben, by your way of rationalization, I can say Martians ARE eating breakfast right now at Waffle House, because the Bible never said they couldn't .

But the Bible does have the three gospels I mention, again I ask who wrote those gospels?

kathr4453* So,tired of that line of reasoning. . I know you do not believe scripture is the Authority of God.

And I am so tired of people misquoting what I wrote. Again where in scripture does it say the Bible is sole Authority? If you believe this pls give me chapter and verse?

kathr4453*GOD does not have a Mother. Jesus YES who is God incarnate has an earthly mother who gave birth to His humanity.

So in his humanity, he was not God?
---Ruben on 8/11/19


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Ruben, by your way of rationalization, I can say Martians ARE eating breakfast right now at Waffle House, because the Bible never said they couldn't .

So,tired of that line of reasoning. It just is a lame way you rationalize anything your heart pleases. I know you do not believe scripture is the Authority of God.

GOD does not have a Mother. Jesus YES who is God incarnate has an earthly mother who gave birth to His humanity. IF perhaps The Word did not exist BEFORE His incarnation, you might be able to say that. It's a TWIST of the truth.
---kathr4453 on 8/10/19


Do you believe Mary is the Mother of God?

Show me in scripture where it shows Matthew, Mark and John are the authors of the gospels.

Where in scripture does it say all you need is the bible?

Where does Jesus tell the apostles to write everything down?
---Ruben on 8/10/19


Cluny has exalted Mary where ONLY JESUS BELONGS. It's Blasphemy to the core.

15:1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand,2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures,4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
---kathr4453 on 8/10/19


\\
Witnessing an empty tomb is on no way saying one is resurrected from the dead.\\

Seems the Jews and Romans said something similar.

And NOWHERE does the Bible say that 500 people talked and ate with Jesus, as you falsely said.

\\And many a tomb claims to be the remains of this one or that have shown to be a lie. \\

Give a specific example, please, kathr.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/9/19


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Witnessing an empty tomb is on no way saying one is resurrected from the dead. Jesus was seen by all His apostles and over 500 who talked and ate with Jesus 40 days before He ascended into Heaven. Now many graves have been robbed. And many a tomb claims to be the remains of this one or that have shown to be a lie.
---kath453 on 8/9/19


Many witness Jesus married Mary Magdaline and went to France and had children too. Doesn't make it true. The Bible is very clear that the FIRST RESURRECTION of which Mary will be a part of has not happened yet.

Also no scripture even prophecied any pre resurrection of Mary, as it did Jesus Christ.

So the Mormons also have witness Jesus appeared to Joseph Smith and rewrote the Gospel...making the ORTHODOX obsolete..hahaha.

So since Joseph Smith is a witness to that..should we all believe it?

Only Cluny would try to hoodwink you all who don't know better claiming HIS CHURCH FATHERS witnessed Mary's bodily resurrection. YIKES!
---kathr4453 on 8/9/19


Actually, there WERE witnesses of her empty tomb.

But I generally say nothing about any Marian doctrine on these blogs, except to insist that her Son is truly God Incarnate.

This is a new enough idea for many people on here.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/9/19


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