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Dormition Of Mary

The Dormition of Mary AKA the Mother of God (EASTERN ORTHODOX ) believe her bodily resurrection before being taken up into heaven, yet no witnesses. Jesus resurrection had witnesses.

Is this heresy?

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Cluny if you really want to know, you have the ability to research. Actually the day you celebrate the DORMITION of Mary is the EXACT DAY Dianna was celebrated. Go research Cluny.

I do not bare false witness...you promote false heresies.
You also bare false witness when you witness to Mary's Bodily resurrection not even being there, but carry on traditions and FABLES, we are warned against.

No one has risen from the dead before the "first resurrection " meaning all believers from Genesis to the Lords Himself shouts...not even Mary. If she had IT WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT DOCTRINE.....but it's not important enough for God to even mention?????? Because it didn't happen Cluny.
---kathr4453 on 9/17/19


\\ Exalting Mary at that time making her into a goddess figure was very important to the RCC andOrthodox.
---kat453 on 9/12/19\\

Is "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor" in your Reversed Version of the Bible, kathr?

And just what resemblance is there between Diana and the Virgin Mary?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/16/19


One person's heresy is another person's orthodoxy. It's been that way forever.
---JS1234 on 9/12/19


The belief that Mary's body was resurrected is heresy. Truly it is idol worship. It is not Mary we are to worship. It is Christ!
Peter, on the mount of transfiguration, wanted to worship Moses, Elijah, and Christ. God corrected him!
Mark chapter 9.
---trey on 9/12/19


Cluny, so can any ordinary person not even a Christian know that Mary isn't spoken of after Acts in the upper room? SO if someone claims the Word of God came to them apart from scripture and said this or that....that's Gnosticism..Correct? Also ALL the epistles were written after Mary died. Mary was suppose to have died 11 years after Jesus. That would be around 44ad or do. Ok now look at the dates all the epistles and Gospels were written, even as late as Revelation, and not one word about Mary or her supposed bodily resurrection .....if it were all that important it would have been recorded in scripture where anyone who could read would see, CORRECT.? Are you saying you got a PERSONAL PRIVATE MESSAGE FROM GOD CLUNY? So did Joseph Smith.
---kathr4453 on 9/12/19




Cluny, if your Mary is not the Mary of scripture, then her Jesus is not the Jesus of scripture. Just because you gave them the same names, doesn't mean they are the same.

Much of your teaching is based on Greek Mythology...the RCC and Orthodox just changed the names of their gods to your saints...Diana is now Mary and so much more in comparison.

Mariology came into a belief system when the Romans were trying to convert the Greeks ....replacing DIANA with Mary to appease and corral. Exalting Mary at that time was very important to the RCC Orthodox.
---kat453 on 9/12/19


Cluny, if your Mary is not the Mary of scripture, then her Jesus is not the Jesus of scripture. Just because you gave them the same names, doesn't mean they are the same.

Much of your teaching is based on Greek Mythology...the RCC and Orthodox just changed the names of their gods to your saints...Diana is now Mary and so much more in comparison.

Mariology came into a belief system when the Romans were trying to convert the Greeks ....replacing DIANA with Mary to appease and corral. Exalting Mary at that time making her into a goddess figure was very important to the RCC andOrthodox.
---kat453 on 9/12/19


kathr, in the words of ST. Paul, is it only to you that the Word of God has come?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/11/19


Cluny, why do you keep using this majority rules mentality?.

I said VERY FEW WILL FIND IT. shows I am not persuaded by numbers, but ONLY BY THE WORD OF GOD.

WHY IS THAT SO HARD FOR YOU TO GRASP?

The Word of God does not have any one resurrected before the First resurrection except Jesus Christ. Also no scripture from Paul, Peter John James mention Mary at all. It's a doctrine you all made up.
---kathr4453 on 9/10/19


"Just because the majority believe something is right, that doesn't necessarily mean it IS right" is very different from "If the majority believe something is right, that necessarily means it is wrong". The first says that the majority are not infallible, while the second says they are always wrong - two very different things.
---StrongAxe on 9/10/19




kathr, the majority of Christians believe that Jesus is fully God and fully man in one person.

Does that make it wrong?

According to your logic, it does.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/10/19


Are you aware Cluny that narrow is the way that leads to life and very few will find it. I don't care how big you Or RCC or JW or Mormons or Scientology etc are. Size has ZERO to do with anything . Your continual droppings are irrational.
---kathr4453 on 9/10/19


Just because something is a majority doesn't make it truth either. Please back that mindset up with scripture. You have NO SCRIPTURE to back up anything you are saying Cluny....

That's the problem, the majority of JWS MORMONS SCIENTOLOGY, ATHIESTS HINDU ISLAM ETC ALL PUT TOGETHER OUTNUMBER YOU AND THE RCC. So what does that prove?

The majority of Jews after Jesus resurrection STILL didn't believe....so did that make them right?

Your argument is what I call a Nicolism....totally a nothing burger in point.

You are free to venerate Mary all you want Cluny...I'm not stopping you.....however I find it opposes known scripture so I'll pass out of obedience to the KNOWN WILL OF GOD.
---kath453 on 9/10/19


\\Maybe Orthodox and RCC, since it is defined everywhere as an Orthodox and RCC belief, however the majority of Protestants do not. \\

Are you aware the Protestants, even all taken together, are a MINORITY of Christians even now?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/9/19


It is interesting to me that in the modern-day Catholic Breviary called Christian Prayer, Mary's role is very peripheral.
---JS1234 on 9/9/19


Cluny, Again your straw man mentality here sounds like something Nicole would say.

Please show proof that the majority believe it. Your word means nothing. Maybe Orthodox and RCC, since it is defined everywhere as an Orthodox and RCC belief, however the majority of Protestants do not.

So just accept that Cluny and move on. Your continued droppings are not going to change that facts.
---kathr4453 on 9/9/19


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kathr, there are a lot of people who don't believe that the Savior is truly fully God and fully human in one person.

Does that make it so?

As for not everybody not having my "take on Mary," the vast majority of Christians in the world even now share it--along with the doctrine of the Incarnation.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/9/19


Cluny:

Just because they are not official CC doctrine doesn't mean that nobody believes them. Many did and many do.

From Wikipedia Co-Redemptrix:

... is a title used by some Roman Catholics for the Blessed Virgin Mary ...
It has always been controversial and has never formed part of the dogma of the Church. ... Related to this belief is the concept of Mary as Mediatrix, which is a separate concept but regularly included by Catholics who use the title Co-Redemptrix.

The concept was especially common in the late Middle Ages, when it was promoted heavily among the Franciscans ... In more recent times, the title has received some support from the Catholic Magisterium [Benedict XV 1918] ...
---StrongAxe on 9/9/19


\\
Cluny, your straw man approach to IF YOU DONT KNOW EXACTLY WHERE MARYS REMAINS ARE, THAT PROVES SHE WAS RESURRECTED, just doesn't fly.\\

Again, you use a straw man, because you're claiming something I neither said nor meant.

And you didn't why you mentioned the notions that Mary died and rose for our sins, or that she's a person of the Trinity (this, BTW, is a mahometan notion), or that she's co-redemptrix.

As I said, NO Church teaches any of these things.

Why did you bring them up?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/9/19


Cluny, your straw man approach to IF YOU DONT KNOW EXACTLY WHERE MARYS REMAINS ARE, THAT PROVES SHE WAS RESURRECTED, just doesn't fly. Many people tnrough out these last two thousand years claim MARYS remains are here, they are there.....because there was not a lot written about her if anything at all after Jesus death and resurrection. Scripture doesn't mention her at all after the day of Pentecost where she too had to wait and receive the Holy Spirit in the upper room with all the rest.

There is no doctrinal REASON you all have her bodily resurrected. THERE IS A DARN GOOD ONE JESUS DID RISE FROM THE DEAD, AND WAS SEEN BY OVER 500.

Do you think I'm the only one who doesn't buy your take on Mary? NO!
---kathr4453 on 9/9/19


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\\She didn't die and rise again for our sin. .... She is not co-redemptress no matter what you say. And not part of the Trinity.\\

Aren't you indulging in a straw man argument here?

I know of nobody who says these things.

They are not part of the teachings of ANYBODY'S church.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/8/19


\\ I know Mary's bones are here on earth,\\

Then where are they?
---Cluny on 9/8/19


Didn't Jesus explicitly say to Mary "...I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God."? So is Jesus the Father? Is Jesus God? Did Jesus ascend to himself?
---Steveng on 9/8/19


Cluny Moses bones are still on earth, and no one knows where they are. I know Mary's bones are here on earth, because the first resurrection hasn't happened yet. Now Jesus rose from the Dead proved our sin was taken away. If Jesus hasn't risen, Paul said we would all be in our sin. However, there is no reason that Mary has to have a bodily resurrection, before the First resurrection. She didn't die and rise again for our sin. So no reason you all insist she had a bodily resurrection. There is no reason she would even need to. She is not co-redemptress no matter what you say. And not part of the Trinity.
---kathr4453 on 9/8/19


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\\Mary full of grace is not in the Bible\\

It is in Luke 1.

The "full of grace" in John 1 is an entirely different Greek phrase.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/8/19


John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Mary cannot be described as in the above verse no matter how the Orthodox and RCC desperately want her to be. And making that same lame excuse of how so and so messed up the translation...WRONG.

Grace as opposed to the LAW ...Moses came by the Law. John 1:17


Mary full of grace is not in the Bible....ONLY THAT EXTRA BIBLE the Catholic and Orthodox use, like the Mormons and JW's extra Bible saying what they want it to say. WARNING...RED FLAG...SIGN OF A CULT...
---kathr4453 on 9/8/19


Luke 1 28 is one of the places where the KJV translators fudged the translation.

The Greek word is KEKhARITOMENE. The root is KhARIS, which elsewhere is rendered "grace."

The word itself means "all graced up," or in more euphonious English, "full of grace."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/7/19


Luke 1:28 - And the angel came on to her, and said , Hail , thou that art highly favored, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women,

Romans 4:7 - Saying: blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered,

Matthew 19:17 - And said unto him Why callest thou me good, There is none good? but one, that is God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments,
---RichardC on 9/6/19


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In other words, kathr, you have no idea if the Virgin Mary's body is on earth or not.

If you did, you'd know where her body lies and tell us.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/7/19


Cluny, I believe it's you who need to tell us where her grave "WAS", and prove she "WAS" buried there.

The proof is all on you since you all have made this claim. You all seem to have all these places of proof with artifacts with Jesus. But not Mary? No shroud? Even Lazarus had grave cloths.
---kathr4453 on 9/6/19


Since you know so much, kathr, can you tell us where the Virgin Mary is buried today?

And how did you find out something that nobody knows?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/6/19


Peter in Acts is testifying to what was written at the end of the Gospels, 40 days Jesus walked talked and ate with them...we see only 10 days actually between Jesus ascention until the Day of Pentecost where Peter testified to thousands that they were witnesses of Jeuss resurrection. Now if you perhaps saw your deceased mother today alive and walking around, you too would be a witness of her resurrection, seeing you most likely witnessed her death.

If the ORTHODOX celebrate the DORMITION OF MARY, then you are believing a lie where NO SCRIPTURES or early church fathers state Mary's body rose from the dead.

Mary will be in the FIRST RESURRECTIONS, not before.
---kathr4453 on 9/6/19


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Wrong again, kathr.

There are reports of the risen Christ at the ends of the Gospels.

But even the Apostles at first believed the the women reporting Him were just telling stories.

Or are these not in your Reversed Version?

In any case, I've made a point of NEVER discussing any Marian doctrine except to insist that her Son is fully God and fully human in one person.

Hence, Theotokos or Mother of God, which is a CHRISTOLOGICAL term.

This is new enough for a lot of people here.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/6/19


I believe we see in Acts right at the beginning the witnesses of Jesus resurrection. Or are you calling Peter a liar? If seeing the resurrected Christ after he was crucified and buried is not a witness of His resurrection, then scripture would not say it is. Now it's silly to say one must be in the tomb with him and that only qualifies is nuts. Jesus showed His wounds.

No one, not even the early church fathers claim to have seen Mary after she died, in a bodily form or any form. And this doctrine did not begin until around 414ad. And even then many objected because NO EARLY CHURCH FATHERS mentioned it.

Believe what you want Cluny. We will choose not to believe the Orthodox and RCC doctrine.
---kathr4453 on 9/6/19


kathr, YOU are the one who brought up worshipping Mary, not I.

There were NO witnesses of the actual Resurrection of Christ, either.

Or is this not mentioned in your Reversed Version?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/5/19


The line between Dulia and Latria is very fuzzy in some places, by my observation. I attended daily mass for many years.
---JS1234 on 9/3/19


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Cluny, that's not the subject being discussed on this thread.
---kathr4453 on 9/4/19


//Protestant Churches do not worship MAry as you all do.//

Nor do we worship Mary as you accuse us of doing.

I don't think the Savior is jealous of His Mother in the slightest.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/3/19


Ruben, multitudes do not believe the RCC doctrine, including your version and take on Revelation 12. Revelation 12 is ISRAEL, and is exactly OT as was seen in Joseph's dream.

I once corresponded with a Catholic Bishop on this very subject and was quite surprised he too said Revelations12 was not Mary but Israel. So even in your RCC, not all believe as you do Ruben.

Jael was also blessed ABOVE ALL WOMEN, .....Judges. Didn't make her a superior being.
---kathr4453 on 8/31/19


kathr4453* Has it ever occurred to you that not all believe as YOU do?

Has it even occurred to you that you could be wrong? Do you claim to be infallible in scripture, Y or N?

kathr4453* Many of us believe Mary is no different than all the Saints both big and small, aka CHRISTIANS who have passed , are asleep IN THE LORD.

Let's see,

An angel appear to her and told her will conceived a child who will rule the nation.

She is the Mother of God.

Everyone will call her blessed, which BTW is spiritual.

Has that happen to you or anyone you know off?

kathr4453* Mary was NOT bodily resurrected . It's HERESY!

Rev 12: Woman clothed with the Sun...Who is her child taken up to the throne?
---Ruben on 8/31/19


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Im sorry Cluny, but only Orthodox churches. And not until after the 400ad. Many writings snowboarding in Mary until then...after heresy entered in a big way. Protestant Churches do not worship MAry as you all do.
---kathr4453 on 8/23/19


ACTUALLY CLUNY.....
When did Mary worship start?
Now it should be noted, historically, that the official worship of Mary was established in 431 A.D. 431 A.D. Prayers to Mary came around 600 A.D., a few hundred years passed before this cult developed. It really is a form, an old, old pagan form of the goddess worship: Baal and Ashtoreth, Isis and Osiris in Egypt.
---kat453 on 8/23/19


Actually, kathr, the Dormition is celebrated in ALL the pre-reformation churches, including the ones that are technically NOT Orthodox.

Doesn't it bother you to expound upon things that you clearly know nothing about?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/23/19


Just the fact that the Feast of DORMITION of Mary is NOT Celebrated in any other religion but Orthodox or the RCC should be a clue not all believe in this Mariology Catholic Orthodox dogma doctrine.

Many of us believe Mary is no different than all the Saints both big and small, aka CHRISTIANS who have passed , are asleep IN THE LORD. We believe those who have passed away have no contact with the living and vice versa, according to the Lord statements in Luke. We believe those who do, are practicing witchcraft as did Saul in the OT and was severely punished for it. We also believe that never changed with the New Testament/Covenant.
And WE believe no one will be bodily resurrected until the FIRST RESURRECTION, which is future.
---kathr4453 on 8/21/19


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Sorry Ruben, that is YOUR belief in why YOU believe as you do. Has it ever occurred to you that not all believe as YOU do? Has it also occurred to you to research those views who DONT believe as you do and listen to them? I'm not the only one who feels and believes yours is a far stretch, a TRADITION that exclusively came out tf the RCC....when, about the 300ad's. No scripture backs up no matter how you twist scripture. And not just in this area but many like Purgetory as well.

Just deal with it. No sense debating it with you, as your mind is made up and you will never change that unless you repent of the RCC stronghold and turn to Christ ALONE for your salvation.

Mary was NOT bodily resurrected either. It's HERESY!
---kathr4463 on 8/20/19


Kathr-THE MOTHER OF GOD, please show your scripture, or accept many don't believe what is not in scripture.
---kathr4453 on 8/20/19

In Both Isaiah and Gospel of Matthew reads Isaiah 7:14, Matt. 1:23 a virgin will bear a Son named Emmanuel, which means (God is with us.)

John 1:14 God in flesh dwelt among us.

What was the name of the virgin who bear a Son, whose name is Emmanuel ( God in flesh among us):)

kathr4453* The Mother of My Lord is not the same as MOTHER OF GOD.

" And Peter said to Jesus, " Lord. it is well that we are here." MT 17: 4


Pls explain the difference between Elizabeth mother of my Lord and Peter and Martha Lord?

Do you call Mary blessed, btw?
---Ruben on 8/20/19


Ruben, you keep asking the same question I have already answered. Only ONLY ONLY the RCC and affiliates call Mary The Mother of God, and all the baggage that come with that TITLE you have given her. You, by doing so have exalted her above what God has, making IKONS, trinkets, dashboard divas , and monuments, statues , prayers, etc etc etc .and the DORMITION of Mary..a Fiest day NOT IN SCRIPTURE...showing it is your tradition based on false beliefs about Mary.

If you can find ANY verse that uses specifically the TITLE of Mary...THE MOTHER OF GOD, please show your scripture, or accept many don't believe what is not in scripture. I don't believe your made up doctrine Ruben...it's a CULT.
---kathr4453 on 8/20/19


kathr4453* Ruben,Jesus is fully God and fully man. So just because I don't say Mary is the Mother of God,


If Jesus is fully God and fully man, then pls explain why you won't call Mary the Mother of God?

Kathr_So I'll have to disagree with you on that one. Paul preached The Gospel and Scripture clearly says the Bereans searched the scriptures daily to see if what Paul was saying was true. The NT fulfills the promises of the Old....

They did not have the NT to look at, only the OT.


Kathr- Do Catholics actually read the Bible...? Or do they just make stuff up?

How do you think the Bible come about? Do you think it fell from the sky, who put the books together?
---Ruben on 8/19/19


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Ruben, I do not refuse to call Jesus God in His humanity . Jesus is fully God and fully man. So just because I don't say Mary is the Mother of God, please don't twist that around to accuse those who don't of not believing Jesus is Fully God amid fully man.

You may be able to pull that off on some ignorant...but not here with me Ruben.
---kathr4453 on 8/19/19


Ruben, I'm not sure what your point is. Paul, Peter, John, James, Jude all are speaking to Christians encouraging them as well as warning them about false teachers who have crept in unaware. The 7 letters in Rev clearly show they are not saved or Christians.

I could say your group ( mystery Babylon, the harlot ) is a clear warning about your people. Also Paul warns us at the beginning of Philippians 3.... The Concission AKA Pharisees ...described in Romans 10 , also in Galatians, fits your description. ..."thank you Paul for the warning".
---kathr4453 on 8/18/19


kathr4453 *Yes Ruben, false teachers

Paul says to Stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by WORD of mouth or letter."

We are discussing scripture alone not how much faith they had. It is not by scripture alone..Nice try I think:)

kathr4453* The Mother of My Lord is not the same as MOTHER OF GOD.

" And Peter said to Jesus, " Lord. it is well that we are here." MT 17: 4

" Martha said to Jesus, Lord, if you had been here my brother would not have died." JHN 17: 21

" What have you to do with us,
O Son of God." Mt 8: 29

Here the demon knew Jesus was God, but you refuse to call him God in his humanity, very interesting!
---Ruben on 8/18/19


Yes Ruben, false teachers were coming in. All letters say stand fast etc. that doesn't mean they weren't. Just like in football..."HOLD THAT LINE...HOLD THAT LINE" Interestingly you failed to read all the verses Paul praises them for their faith, etc. I don't think any group was praised more than the Thesselonians who endured persecution and suffering.

The Mother of My Lord is not the same as MOTHER OF GOD. Nice try, but again total embellishment carrying the baggage of more embellishments.
---kathr4453 on 8/18/19


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kathr4453* Philip showed this was Jesus. PERFECT.

That is my point.The Eunuch said to Philip " About whom, does the prophet say this, about himself or some one else? v8:34-going by the bible alone did him no good.

kathr Paul never taught ever said Mary was the MOTHER OF GOD.

He didn't but Elizabeth filled with the Holy Spirit SHOUTED with a loud cry, Why is the granted to me, that the MOTHER OF MY LORD should come to me? Lk 1:43

Kathr I just read both 1st and 2nd Thesselonians.

Go back and reread 2 Thess 2: 15 slowly - ' Stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by WORD of mouth or letter."
---Ruben on 8/17/19


James 3:13 - Who is wise and understanding among you ? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in meekness of wisdom.
I like that. Taking snipes at others Cluny is not good conduct. You intentionally provoke with your one liner jabs ...hoping to what?

And no one with Wisdom can read Thesselonians and accuse them of rejecting Paul. It's just beyond words. Making up something to attack another...its just beyond words.

I suggest ALL WOMEN know the word of God so these "men" don't throw nonsense at you. Thank God for Wycliffe and the such for giving EVERYONE A BIBLE IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGE , so we don't have to rely on the RCC for lies like this.
---kathr4453 on 8/15/19


Sorry Cluny, the gifts given in Ephesians 4 are given to EVERY BELIEVER IN CHRIST. NOT JUST 1/2 THE BODY.

To say the Thessalonians rejected Paul's teaching is a bold face lie out of a man's mouth....doesn't make it true because a man said it.

We all know the Orthodox suppress women, forgot Priscilla taught Apollo. And no scripture says women can't teach or use her gift on a website either. Making up lies again.
---kathr4453 on 8/14/19


James 3:13 - Who is wise and understanding among you ? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in meekness of wisdom.
---RichardC on 8/14/19


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\\
Do Catholics actually read the Bible...? Or do they just make stuff up?
---kathr4453 on 8/14/19\\

I know you make stuff up, kathr.

You've made up stuff about me.

And if you really read the Bible, you would know it said that women are NOT to presume to teach.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/14/19


Monk, don't you need to wash out your sack cloth or something. Maybe go take a walk on glass and flog yourself for an hour or so?
---kathr4453 on 8/14/19


Kathr, is it that stroke you claim you had that makes you so nasty to other people?
---Monk_Brendan on 8/14/19


I just read both 1st and 2nd Thesselonians. Thank you Ruben for causing me to do that. And I was oh so blessed to see such a letter of LOVE from Paul to the Thesselonians, continually praising them in every chapter of both books, all the way to the very end....and not one word about scolding them from departing from the faith.

So it looks like someone here is on crack, making ignorant false accusations towards others here, but also the Thesselonians which is appalling......

Do Catholics actually read the Bible...? Or do they just make stuff up?
---kathr4453 on 8/14/19


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The Thesselonians did not reject Pauls teaching. They were being invaded, like Galatia, with false teachers concerning the last days, the resurrection etc. Galatia, the LEGALISTS came to bring false doctrine. Even James and Peter and John warn about false teachers creeping into the Church.

Now YOU reject Philippians 3, you reject Romans 6 ...you reject Colossians 1:24-27, Ephesians 2 and Colossians 2 and 3.....the whole of the RCC reject Colossians 3 all of Galatians, and could be the very false teachers ALL the Apostles and epistles warn against.

That was funny Ruben. Paul never taught "Transfigure us together with You" or ever said Mary was the MOTHER OF GOD.

Judge not lest YE be judged Ruben. Watch it!
---kathr4453 on 8/14/19


Ruben, I believe many places in the OT point to Jesus....born of a virgin, Isaiah 53.....I love Isaiah 53, the exact chapter in the OT the Eunuch asked Philip about in Acts where Philip showed this was Jesus. PERFECT.

So I'll have to disagree with you on that one. Paul preached The Gospel and Scripture clearly says the Bereans searched the scriptures daily to see if what Paul was saying was true. The NT fulfills the promises of the Old....
---kathr4453 on 8/14/19


The poor old goat just can't help himself. I really feel sorry for this, as some old folks really get crotchety and nasty in their old age. Sometimes it's the medication, sometimes it's just the heart of the person....always laying awake nights thinking of a great nasty comeback......I actually think Proverbs has many verses addressing this issue.
---kath453 on 8/14/19


\\I too could be the MOTHER OF GOD. All those who do the will of God are the MOTHER OF GOD. \\

What has yet to be proven is if kathr indeed does the will of God, or her own.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/13/19


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kathr4453 * Rube, Acts 17:11

Let's see,

Acts 17:11 " Now Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scripture daily to see if what Paul said was true."

The Ot does not identify Jesus as the Messiah, it was no way that the Berea using the OT ONLY to have proven from scripture that Jesus was the Messiah. The Bereans were noble because they accepted Paul oral teaching and now they can examined and looked at Isaiah 53 and the connecting his teaching and the passage of the suffering servant. The Thessalonians on the other hand were like you and reject Paul's teaching and went on their own interpretation of scripture!
---Ruben on 8/13/19


Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.


Again Jesus said this. Looks like there will be many who Jesus sees as His mother. I like that. I too could be the MOTHER OF GOD. All those who do the will of God are the MOTHER OF GOD.
---kathr4453 on 8/11/19


Rube, Acts 17:11 along with 2 Timothy 3:16-17 show scripture is the final Authority in truth and doctrine. Also there are wonderful scriptures in the Psalms concerning the WORD OF GOD. It was one of the very first things the Lord through the Holy Spirit grounded and established in my walk with the Lord.

When you go outside scripture, you walk a dangerous line of putting your faith in the Wisdom of man and not the Power of God. Also opening yourself up to fables....another no no.

And again NO SCRIPTURE refer to Mary as the MOTHER OF GOD. Your belief along with the false doctrine you believe around Mary re being resurrected bodily, being born sinless etc feeds into this false belief.
---kathr4453 on 8/11/19


kathr4453* Ruben, by your way of rationalization, I can say Martians ARE eating breakfast right now at Waffle House, because the Bible never said they couldn't .

But the Bible does have the three gospels I mention, again I ask who wrote those gospels?

kathr4453* So,tired of that line of reasoning. . I know you do not believe scripture is the Authority of God.

And I am so tired of people misquoting what I wrote. Again where in scripture does it say the Bible is sole Authority? If you believe this pls give me chapter and verse?

kathr4453*GOD does not have a Mother. Jesus YES who is God incarnate has an earthly mother who gave birth to His humanity.

So in his humanity, he was not God?
---Ruben on 8/11/19


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Ruben, by your way of rationalization, I can say Martians ARE eating breakfast right now at Waffle House, because the Bible never said they couldn't .

So,tired of that line of reasoning. It just is a lame way you rationalize anything your heart pleases. I know you do not believe scripture is the Authority of God.

GOD does not have a Mother. Jesus YES who is God incarnate has an earthly mother who gave birth to His humanity. IF perhaps The Word did not exist BEFORE His incarnation, you might be able to say that. It's a TWIST of the truth.
---kathr4453 on 8/10/19


Do you believe Mary is the Mother of God?

Show me in scripture where it shows Matthew, Mark and John are the authors of the gospels.

Where in scripture does it say all you need is the bible?

Where does Jesus tell the apostles to write everything down?
---Ruben on 8/10/19


Cluny has exalted Mary where ONLY JESUS BELONGS. It's Blasphemy to the core.

15:1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand,2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures,4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
---kathr4453 on 8/10/19


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Witnessing an empty tomb is on no way saying one is resurrected from the dead.\\

Seems the Jews and Romans said something similar.

And NOWHERE does the Bible say that 500 people talked and ate with Jesus, as you falsely said.

\\And many a tomb claims to be the remains of this one or that have shown to be a lie. \\

Give a specific example, please, kathr.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/9/19


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Witnessing an empty tomb is on no way saying one is resurrected from the dead. Jesus was seen by all His apostles and over 500 who talked and ate with Jesus 40 days before He ascended into Heaven. Now many graves have been robbed. And many a tomb claims to be the remains of this one or that have shown to be a lie.
---kath453 on 8/9/19


Many witness Jesus married Mary Magdaline and went to France and had children too. Doesn't make it true. The Bible is very clear that the FIRST RESURRECTION of which Mary will be a part of has not happened yet.

Also no scripture even prophecied any pre resurrection of Mary, as it did Jesus Christ.

So the Mormons also have witness Jesus appeared to Joseph Smith and rewrote the Gospel...making the ORTHODOX obsolete..hahaha.

So since Joseph Smith is a witness to that..should we all believe it?

Only Cluny would try to hoodwink you all who don't know better claiming HIS CHURCH FATHERS witnessed Mary's bodily resurrection. YIKES!
---kathr4453 on 8/9/19


Actually, there WERE witnesses of her empty tomb.

But I generally say nothing about any Marian doctrine on these blogs, except to insist that her Son is truly God Incarnate.

This is a new enough idea for many people on here.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/9/19


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